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« on: December 07, 2007, 08:35:08 PM » |
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Which myths in our community need the axe? 1. It's easy for transmen to pass without T Sorry, there's a profound difference between being so small and slight you are mistaken for a little boy (when you're 20+) and PASSING  Add myths you've sentenced to the guillotine.
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« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2007, 10:02:47 PM » |
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That those in between or outside binary gender are sitting on the fence. That various behaviors, mannerisms or appearances aren't correct for our target genders. You have to be one or the other, male or female, there is no in between. Don't get me started, the list is a mile long  y2g
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Nero
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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2007, 10:14:37 PM » |
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That those in between or outside binary gender are sitting on the fence. That various behaviors, mannerisms or appearances aren't correct for our target genders. Don't get me started, the list is a mile long  y2g Too late. I'm getting you started! Really, there are too many ridiculous myths in the transgender community that need eliminated! Let's line them up. And watch the dogs slurp their blood.
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« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2007, 10:54:05 PM » |
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Trans men have it easy. there transition aint as hard as trans girls I'm more trans then you A real dude has a dick I'm a real trans. u aint
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« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2007, 11:22:44 PM » |
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* carting a few more condemned to the guillotine *' If you're not passing, it's your fault. You're doing something wrong. Just try a little harder.'Now, this myth is most commonly perpetrated by the well intentioned. Sometimes true, sometimes not. The reality is that trans folk have a body incongruent to their gender. It's amazing how many well meaning TS forget this. 'Being 'sirred' (ftm) or 'ma'amed' (mtf) a few times equals passing.'Self-explanatory. 'Going to the mens' (ftm) or ladies' (mtf) and getting away with it (no one called security) equals passing.'Self-explanatory. 'Men don't say that.'(said to transman). Okkkkayyyyy. 
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« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2007, 11:29:24 PM » |
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Trans men were lesbians b4. dunno. not me!
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« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2007, 12:14:59 AM » |
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'Narrow hips are a transwomen exclusive trait'
Nope. Okay fine, genetic female pelvises differ from genetic male pelvises, but there are plenty of narrow hipped, non-hourglassed natal girls out there. When I was going through my 'do anything to escape my notorious school pariah status' phase, I copied the looks and dress of the girls. I was downright jealous of the sexy 'lots of junk in the trunk' girls. I bought the tightest jeans I could find, I ate Krispy Kreme donuts out of business - still no junk in the trunk! So don't stress over it. If your trunk is empty, you're in good company.
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« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2007, 01:29:55 AM » |
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I'm a real trans. u aint
what if this is really true. is it still a myth? 
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« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2007, 01:41:33 AM » |
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There are no rules, there are no myths. Its your movie. Do what you want. Those other voices and opinions are just comic relief. Or you can just edit them out on the cutting room floor.
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tekla katrina west, on the other ocean A man once told me that you step out of your door in the morning, and you are already in trouble. The only question is are you on top of that trouble or not? - Easy Rawlins: Photos of flowers, theaters, and other odd bits at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/westcoastimages/
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« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2007, 02:00:17 AM » |
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TS are instantly recognizeable as such and there's no way you can be pass 100%. You must be delusional if you do!!
If you look at antropometry, there's at least 10% of males that fit in all proportions within female norms, and probably 20% that fit within at least 50% of female physical norms.
Of course, many of those outside this 20%, will become very very agressive about this and will even become nasty...
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« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2007, 03:20:18 AM » |
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if a person was born ts, you are ts unless you are woman 
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« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2007, 03:23:02 AM » |
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Which myths in our community need the axe?
I don't know about Myths but words like 'Transwoman' and 'Transman' need the axe badly.....who started that? it's absolutely awful terminology and is a word that presents us as 'freaks' and not a male or female..
I vote the word Transwoman gets the axe...
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« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2007, 03:32:20 AM » |
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I don't know of any myths. I don't give the gluteus maximus of a rattus norvegicus what the conventional wisdom says or said. Wait, I do have one myth for the Mythbusters: buy a cheap acrylic wig, wash it 20 times and then it will look just like natural hair. Wing Walker Posted on: December 08, 2007, 02:31:02 AM
Which myths in our community need the axe?
I don't know about Myths but words like 'Transwoman' and 'Transman' need the axe badly.....who started that? it's absolutely awful terminology and is a word that presents us as 'freaks' and not a male or female..
I vote the word Transwoman gets the axe...
I second that, Berliegh. No myth. Wing Walker
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« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2007, 06:11:03 AM » |
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What makes something a myth? A bunch of people you don't care about who say it, or one person you really care about who believes it?
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tekla katrina west, on the other ocean A man once told me that you step out of your door in the morning, and you are already in trouble. The only question is are you on top of that trouble or not? - Easy Rawlins: Photos of flowers, theaters, and other odd bits at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/westcoastimages/
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« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2007, 07:16:02 AM » |
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i'm half ts & half androgyne or I'm half ts & half tv 
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« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2007, 07:44:44 AM » |
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The categories TS, TV, AG etc. can be defined clearly, are absolutely separate, and the criteria do not overlap at all.  Nfr
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« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2007, 08:11:50 AM » |
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The categories TS, TV, AG etc. can be defined clearly, are absolutely separate, and the criteria do not overlap at all.  Nfr yup. outside you can define yourself as you want. while you are here, you must include yourself in any of these terms: http://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,14714.0.htmlplain and simple.
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« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2007, 12:33:34 PM » |
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Which myths in our community need the axe?
I don't know about Myths but words like 'Transwoman' and 'Transman' need the axe badly.....who started that? it's absolutely awful terminology and is a word that presents us as 'freaks' and not a male or female..
I vote the word Transwoman gets the axe...
It's trans woman and trans man and it was coined (I think) by Julia Serano, read the book "Whipping Girl" and you will probably change your view. She also coined trans-misogyny, oppositional sexism, self-conscious sex, cisgender, cisgender privilege and a lot of other terms which more accurately reflect our experience.
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« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2007, 03:16:03 PM » |
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Serano can coin anything she wants. Words are only accepted through use and in my circles, these words are not liked at all.
In a smaller circle, they may gain acceptance, but I don't believe it will ever spread to the whole community.
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« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2007, 06:08:48 PM » |
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Myth = My identity is not valid.  Truth = I'm the one who knows myself. No one else does. I'm holding back a lot of anger right now.
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