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Do you feel Orientation isnt really an issue as an androgyne?
« on: January 09, 2007, 09:44:50 pm »
In reading a few paragraphs from a Androgyne article from Tapestry issue #107
http://androgyne.0catch.com/ar/tapest1.htm

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Sex, sexual orientation, and gender identity are three separate and different things. Sex refers to what's between your legs, while gender refers to what's between your ears. Since gender identity refers to how one views oneself, a person can consider themselves to be a man (masculine), a woman (feminine), or androgyne. It has been observed that since androgynes do not have a "gender-based opposite," they are therefore attracted to each other, and if this is so, it frees androgynes to be both tranny and trannychaser simultaneously. I suspect that androgynes are predisposed toward trannychaserdom (or should that be trannychasing?) because they identify with neither or both traditional genders and therefore feel an affinity with people of mixed or unfixed gender and/or sex. This allows androgynes much freedom, and in a way lends weight to the term third gender, because since androgynes are neither men nor women, sexual orientation isn't really an issue.

This corresponds nicely with some intersex individuals' claims that intersex folk cannot be gay nor bisexual because they are neither male nor female -- which is interesting because androgynes can be said to be the psychological counterpart to the intersexed. The term intergender(ed) has been coined to reflect this, and some people go even further, saying androgynes have intersexed brains.


My question is Do you as an androgyne feel that orientation really isnt an issue since you are neither just men or women, or made up of both male and female (hence one would be both or neither gay or straight)?
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Re: Do you feel Orientation isnt really an issue as an androgyne?
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2007, 10:07:19 pm »
I dunno, orientation isn't an issue?  It's still a preference, but I look at more than 2 genders, so I'm attracted to more than just 1.

I'm married, though, so even attraction is pretty much a non-issue.  It's hypothetical at this point.
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Re: Do you feel Orientation isnt really an issue as an androgyne?
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2007, 03:03:15 am »
It really isn't.  I am asexual, but most androgynes I know are open to anything or asexual (well I know only one other asexual). 



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Re: Do you feel Orientation isnt really an issue as an androgyne?
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2007, 12:52:14 pm »
I'm not really sure how to answer this one. I prefer women but my definition of "woman" is somewhat loose by some people's views. Then too you have the whole physical attraction versus "mental" attraction (or whatever you call it) thing going on. I do think, though, that we need to be careful about not making it an issue in the sense of "this is what an androgyne's sexual orientation is".
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Re: Do you feel Orientation isnt really an issue as an androgyne?
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2007, 07:32:28 pm »
Certainly not to me.... I embraced my pensexuality a long time ago. So it is more about whether I want to be with a person (collection of molecules and personalitywise) than about orientation.
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Re: Do you feel Orientation isnt really an issue as an androgyne?
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2007, 12:20:19 am »
I don't really know what orientation means to an androgyne.  If I am only attracted to other androgynes, does that make me gay regardless of their sex?  If I am not attracted to androgynes, but to males and/or females, does that make me straight, again regardless of their sex?  I have no idea what to call myself, in terms of orientation, as I am attracted to feminine.

If you look like, OR act like, a guy...sorry Charlie.  If you look AND act like a girl...hubba hubba...regardless of what you may have between your legs.  So, in a sense, the quote was right in such that I can be a Tranny and a Trannychaser at the same time.

So, I guess I'm only bi-sexual as I am only attracted to females and androgynes.  If I were attracted to male, female and androgynes, would that make me tri-sexual?  (I know, there is an old joke about that term, but I'll TRY not to tell it.)

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Re: Do you feel Orientation isnt really an issue as an androgyne?
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2007, 10:46:28 pm »
For me, sexual orientation and gender are separate issues. I've had partners or been attracted to people of all genders, so that would technically make me bisexual. Except that I can also be attracted to people who aren't either gender in the binary system, so I would go along with trisexual... or something... I generally prefer women, but really, it isn't the gender, it's the person.

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Re: Do you feel Orientation isnt really an issue as an androgyne?
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2007, 10:18:12 pm »
Hmmmm....

This is a good topic...

I feel I'm something like 90% into women, 10% into men...

Which is weird, b/c my female side should be totally into men, and it should be more 50-50ish...

Yet the only time I would do something w/ a guy would be if Vanessa was in the drivers seat and a situation came up with a homosexual guy that was into me...

Which, well, of course, is near nhil...

And even then, b/c of its sporadic-ness, it would be more of an adventure/romp type thing vs. something I could really get into for long periods of time...

So no, I would disagree w/ the article. I think orientation is still an issue. Perhaps less for more fluid gendered folks, but not so for the bigendered...

At least IMVHO... ;)

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Re: Do you feel Orientation isnt really an issue as an androgyne?
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2007, 01:05:54 am »
As Kendra posted
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Sex, sexual orientation, and gender identity are three separate and different things.



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Sexual Identities
Sexes
Human (xo) · Human (xx) · Human (xxx) · Human (xy) · Human (xx) · Human (xxy) · Human (xy) · Human (xyy) · Human · (xo/xy) · Human (etc.)

Gender
Androgyne/Androgyny · Gender identity · (non)Gender identity · Genderqueer · Pangender · Transgender · Transman · Transwoman · Transsexualism · Gender Variant · Human

Sexual orientations
Anthrosexuality · Bisexuality (bi) · Heterosexuality (straight) · Homosexuality (gay/lesbian) · Pansexuality · Asexuality · Nonsexual · Auto-erotic/Self sexuality · Queersexuality · Non Mainstream sexual orientations · Human

Other
Boi · Homosexuality and transgender · Polyamory/Polyamorous · Swinger · Queer · Womyn · Human

Hope this helps a bit.

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Re: Do you feel Orientation isnt really an issue as an androgyne?
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2007, 01:47:00 am »
Thanks Tink... ???

Just when I thought I was beginning to get things figured out, you send a list of stuff I've never heard of...it sucks being naive.   :'(

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Re: Do you feel Orientation isnt really an issue as an androgyne?
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2007, 08:40:51 pm »
Quote from: LaurieO on January 23, 2007, 01:47:00 am
Thanks Tink... ???

Just when I thought I was beginning to get things figured out, you send a list of stuff I've never heard of...it sucks being naive.   :'(

......Laurie



LOL :D...if it makes you feel better, I have never heard about some of those terms either.... ;D  I think that we pay way too much attention to labels, and it shouldn't be that way...

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P.S.  Just be yourself, and love what you like... ;)
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Re: Do you feel Orientation isnt really an issue as an androgyne?
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2007, 10:25:38 pm »
Yes a lot of terms, and I am not sure how things fit together (I am a visual person so I like Models, illustrations, and drawings.

I would love to see someone tackle fitting all of that into some sort of logical diagram.
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Re: Do you feel Orientation isnt really an issue as an androgyne?
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2007, 07:43:05 am »
Quote from: Amy T. on January 10, 2007, 03:03:15 am
It really isn't.  I am asexual, but most androgynes I know are open to anything or asexual (well I know only one other asexual). 

I'm asexual too....and the only other asexual I know is my boyfriend....they're very far and few between.

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Re: Do you feel Orientation isnt really an issue as an androgyne?
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2007, 09:23:37 am »
One more asexual jumping in here.
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