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Title: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Kristyn on June 06, 2010, 07:50:15 PM
I'm seriously thinking of moving after my surgery and the only place in Canada I would like to go is Montreal.  Everytime I've been to Montreal I've always been treated with respect and decency, but I'm getting older and I need somewhere warm, like Florida maybe.  Can one live comfortably in Miami on 40-50k per year?  I don't have much overhead, clothes mostly, but in a warmer climate I would not have to buy winter and fall clothing every year :)  Europe has always been an option as well, but I don't like what is going on with the economy there and social unrest seems to be growing.

So?  Any suggestions?  Warm, sunny, friendly, comfortable life with 40-50k per year income
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: tekla on June 06, 2010, 07:53:13 PM
Can one live comfortably in Miami on 40-50k per year?

Yes
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Arch on June 06, 2010, 07:57:46 PM
Is that before or after taxes?
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Kristyn on June 06, 2010, 08:04:56 PM
Quote from: Arch on June 06, 2010, 07:57:46 PM
Is that before or after taxes?

That would be gross
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Sarah B on June 07, 2010, 02:34:30 AM
Hi Kristyn

How about most friendliest place in the world?  I have heard Australia is a nice place to live and $50,000 ($1CAD = $0.89AU) would be a good figure to live on.

Kind regards
Sarah B
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: lilacwoman on June 07, 2010, 03:06:19 AM
if its 50K pension then anyplace is affordable but if you need a job paying 50K better stay in USA.
Once you're post-op you're a woman and what reason would any city not welcome you?

Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Frances on June 07, 2010, 05:52:42 AM
Montreal is very trans friendly. Socially, my transition here has been very easy, and even my "trans-identified" sisters have had no real problem either. Plus we have a very good SRS doctor (Brassard) and FFS doctor (Bensimon).

It's true that post-op with name and gender marker changed, one can live anywhere. But in Canada you get: gay marriages, a wide seperation between church and state, free access to medical services (including SRS in some provinces), gun control, cheap university tuitions, wide empty spaces... but lots of taxes!
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: LordKAT on June 07, 2010, 06:49:07 AM
Montreal is not a warmer place than Montreal tho which is what the OP is about.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: justme19 on June 07, 2010, 06:49:56 AM
Quote from: Sarah B on June 07, 2010, 02:34:30 AM
Hi Kristyn

How about most friendliest place in the world?  I have heard Australia is a nice place to live and $50,000 ($1CAD = $0.89AU) would be a good figure to live on.

Kind regards
Sarah B

+1  Us Aussies are so easy going :)
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: darklady on June 07, 2010, 06:50:52 AM
According to wikipedia Detroit is the most liberal city in the United States.  :)
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: LordKAT on June 07, 2010, 06:58:19 AM
Liberal doesn't always equal friendly.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Frances on June 07, 2010, 07:03:25 AM
Quote from: LordKAT on June 07, 2010, 06:49:07 AM
Montreal is not a warmer place than Montreal tho which is what the OP is about.

Thanks to global warming, Montreal is actually warmer than Montreal now!
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: LordKAT on June 07, 2010, 07:08:39 AM
Quote from: Frances on June 07, 2010, 07:03:25 AM
Thanks to global warming, Montreal is actually warmer than Montreal now!

Excellent, I will put it in my travel plans.  Now as to when that happens, I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: FairyGirl on June 07, 2010, 07:24:41 AM
Quote from: justme19 on June 07, 2010, 06:49:56 AM
+1  Us Aussies are so easy going :)
I have to agree! So far I've never had a single problem there with anyone. (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ichloe.com%2Fimages%2FAustralia.gif&hash=a3de530a621e519ee2c3a12cda70e902fbd51fa6)
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Breastquest on June 07, 2010, 07:49:18 AM
New Orleans is as loose as it gets. period.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: justmeinoz on June 07, 2010, 07:58:54 AM
Here in Australia you are probably going to get hassled more for being an American than trans. 
Of course New Orleans is loose, it's just been oiled.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Kristyn on June 07, 2010, 08:56:22 AM
WOW!  Great replies so far!  I've always found Aussies to be nice and friendly, but I think I would really have to spend some time there before deciding to relocate there--it just seems so far away.

Montreal, as I mentioned earlier would be my first Canadian choice as Montrealers have always been friendly and outgoing.  It has a very European flair and I think that may have something to do with their positive attitudes.  Here in Toronto people are rather cold and unfriendly.  Not many people take care of themselves physically and they spend most of their time tearing others down and worrying about what others think of them.  It truly is a very sad city.  There is a joke that goes "how can you spot the Canadian lobster in the pot of boiling water?  He's the one pulling the escaping lobster back into the pot".

I've actually met quite a few nice people from Detroit and have been there a few times as I have relatives in Bloomfield Hills.  The economy and crime in the city is another story--and don't get me started on Quaami!

The southwestern and southeastern US has always had my eye.  I love the heat, the desert and the water.  Palm Springs, Palm Desert--YES!!!  Marina Del Ray---YES!!!  Los Angeles--on the fence with this place.  San Fran----YES!!!!

I love cajun food, jazz, blues and zydeco so Louisiana is a definate possibility.

I've really only been thinking about Florida as of late and that is primarily due to the folks I've had the opportunity to interact with on this forum who are from there.  The more I think about it, though, the more I really want to go there.  Perhaps I'll make Florida my first travel destination post surgery and experience it.  Also, scanning through their want ads I've seen quite a few openings for my field.

I've often thought about New York in the past but that place is turning into God knows what!  One can only imagine what one more terrorist attack will do to that city.  Besides, at the rate that city is growing, I think it will eventually fall into the East River.

Still a lot of time to contemplate and dream :)

Thanks All! 
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Little Darkling on June 07, 2010, 09:04:28 AM
I can't vouch for anywhere except where I've lived all my life; Melbourne. People are friendly enough. :p

I really hope you find a place to settle, there's really nothing holding you back. World's an open book for you!
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Deanna_Renee on June 07, 2010, 09:14:31 AM
Well, its not Florida, but Atlanta, GA is a very diverse and often friendly place to most people (trans or otherwise). Winters can get a bit chilly (mid 20's at the worst), but winter only seems to last a few weeks. The summers get quite hot (mid 90's to low 100's) and rather humid. The beaches of south GA and the FL panhandle are only about a 6-7 hour drive (and soon to be covered in oil - thanks BP).

I would suggest visiting first to see if you like it here. I prefer the suburbs to the city, but there are some in-city neighborhoods. Atlanta is a very sprawling city, so there are some hundreds of square miles of suburban ATL to explore. Oh, and there is no shortage of shopping and eating options - you would be hard-pressed to go 5 minutes in any direction without hitting a shopping center or restaurant. :) And $50k/yr is quite doable in a lot of areas. Other areas, $1,000,000/yr would put at the poverty level.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Evan on June 07, 2010, 09:37:51 PM
depends on where in Miami you're thinking about, and what your standard of living is? Kendall no problem, Gables good luck.. would you want to be part of the GLBTQ community? because south beach is not it anymore. fort lauderdale, wilton manor more precisely, is quickly taking over and is still reasonably priced unlike south beach.. if you like having one wardrobe, not one for each season, and you're up for 95 degree heat with humidity that hits you two steps out the door in summer.. there is no where better to live.. but then again I'm biased, ft lauderdale born and raised :)
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Kristyn on June 07, 2010, 10:01:39 PM
Quote from: Evan on June 07, 2010, 09:37:51 PM
if you like having one wardrobe, not one for each season, and you're up for 95 degree heat with humidity that hits you two steps out the door in summer.. there is no where better to live.. but then again I'm biased, ft lauderdale born and raised :)

That's definitely what I like!!!!
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: tekla on June 07, 2010, 10:17:53 PM
In SF you only need one wardrobe.  I know people there who have never owned a pair of shorts.  Winter is cold, and summer is even colder.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Kristyn on June 07, 2010, 10:22:51 PM
Quote from: tekla on June 07, 2010, 10:17:53 PM
In SF you only need one wardrobe.  I know people there who have never owned a pair of shorts.  Winter is cold, and summer is even colder.

REALLY!  I would have thought it to be warm there--you're talking San Francisco, right?  OK, that's off my list.  I'd still like to visit, though.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: tekla on June 07, 2010, 10:31:00 PM
Yeah, all the tourists show up in summer and think "hey it's Cali, its got to be hot" not remembering that Mark Twain (allegedly) said "the coldest winter I ever spend was a summer in San Francisco."  However, go ten miles away, and you got high 80s and into the 90s.  Its the micro-climate deal.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Deanna_Renee on June 07, 2010, 11:16:30 PM
I spent an August week in SF some years ago to photograph an international bikini contest (of all things). The strangest most bizarre weather I have ever seen. I was told they were having the hottest and sunniest weather they had seen in years that week - the highest temps were approaching 70 in the afternoon. I was a bit surprised.

The strangest thing of all was driving from the Ritz Carlton to Golden Gate Park and seeing this wall of fog that stretched in a straight line that ran for miles, parallel to California St (I think that was the name of the street). This wasn't just a freak few minutes, but every day that week, always in the same spot (right over the park where we were shooting). Every afternoon the fog burned off for a few hours and came back in the evening.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: sweetangel93 on June 07, 2010, 11:30:35 PM
I am going to go with san francisco, new york, new orleans, and atlanta.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: lilacwoman on June 08, 2010, 05:00:11 AM
Quote from: tekla on June 07, 2010, 10:31:00 PM
Yeah, all the tourists show up in summer and think "hey it's Cali, its got to be hot" not remembering that Mark Twain (allegedly) said "the coldest winter I ever spend was a summer in San Francisco."  However, go ten miles away, and you got high 80s and into the 90s.  Its the micro-climate deal.
This is why its baffling to us foreigners to watch Bullitt and see Steve McQueen in think sweater under thick cord jackect and everyone including the baddies in the Charger in jackets and coats in blazing sun.  and in the old series 'Streets of SF' old Karl Maulden always had a three piece suit and a topcoat on!
In England we think sun = warmth.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: justmeinoz on June 08, 2010, 07:50:49 AM
If you like 4 seasons in one day Melbourne is hard to beat.

It can get hot (100 F and up) in summer, and be either humid, or bone dry with a North Wind like a blast furnace, then a cool change will come in from the South and it will drop 20 degrees in an hour.

Winter can be wet, drizzly and miserable (no snow though), or start with a frost and fog, and clear to 70 and not a cloud in the sky. 
(I'm old enough to remember what Farenheit is)

If you like it plain warm to hot and dry most of the year then Adelaide is probably more your style.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: justme19 on June 08, 2010, 08:07:40 AM
Quote from: justmeinoz on June 08, 2010, 07:50:49 AM
If you like 4 seasons in one day Melbourne is hard to beat.

It can get hot (100 F and up) in summer, and be either humid, or bone dry with a North Wind like a blast furnace, then a cool change will come in from the South and it will drop 20 degrees in an hour.

Winter can be wet, drizzly and miserable (no snow though), or start with a frost and fog, and clear to 70 and not a cloud in the sky. 
(I'm old enough to remember what Farenheit is)

If you like it plain warm to hot and dry most of the year then Adelaide is probably more your style.


This..... Melbourne = good :D
and the snow is only a few hours drive away in snow season :)
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: justmeinoz on June 08, 2010, 08:25:00 AM
True, if we want snow we have to go to it, although New Zealand has better skiing.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Bam on June 08, 2010, 09:15:12 AM
Just don't come to Jacksonville Fl.it used to be called Cowville give you any idea what it is like!!!
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Evan on June 08, 2010, 10:06:15 AM
Quote from: Bam on June 08, 2010, 09:15:12 AM
Just don't come to Jacksonville Fl.it used to be called Cowville give you any idea what it is like!!!
and the paper mill stink too, yuck...
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Julie Marie on June 08, 2010, 10:21:19 AM
I think what you will find is in any place that is considered trans friendly you will find pockets that are and pockets that are not.  Florida, as a state, is fairly conservative.  Even allegedly gay governor Crist has done everything to label himself straight, including supporting anti gay rights issues.

If you're going to settle in the US, first look for the states that have trans protection rights in place.  (See map (http://www.thetaskforce.org/downloads/reports/issue_maps/non_discrimination_7_09_color.pdf))  From there look for specific jurisdictions that have trans protection laws in place. (LINK) (http://www.transgenderlaw.org/ndlaws/index.htm#maps) Both will give you a "climate" for determining trans friendly.

Of course, talking to people who live there and visiting those places will give you a better idea but IMHO every place you consider will ultimately be determined as trans friendly based on what you bring with you, like personal attitude.

Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Bam on June 08, 2010, 11:44:06 AM
Evan,we finally got rid of the paper mill smell,but you were right it stunk really bad!!!!
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: LordKAT on June 08, 2010, 12:54:27 PM
Quote from: Bam on June 08, 2010, 11:44:06 AM
Evan,we finally got rid of the paper mill smell,but you were right it stunk really bad!!!!

Smells better than Kentucky fried chicken place.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: darklady on June 08, 2010, 12:54:46 PM
Presidential election 2000 results map tells also a lot. But of course only in general level.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: tekla on June 08, 2010, 01:03:19 PM
That cold weather pattern, caused by the fog, is pretty much only in the City of SF and a few low places in Marin.  Outside of there the temps in the summer are routinely in the high 80s/low 90s, (31-34C) in Sonoma we get a few days over 100, and have had highs of 118. (37-47C).  The way it works is that the hotter the temps are inland, the more fog is pulled through the Golden Gate, so SF stays cold.  I could leave Oakland when it was in the high 80s and 10 miles away its in the 50s.  Go down to Silicone Valley and San Jose/Morgan Hill it gets very hot also.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Kristyn on June 08, 2010, 04:56:18 PM
Quote from: Julie Marie on June 08, 2010, 10:21:19 AM
I think what you will find is in any place that is considered trans friendly you will find pockets that are and pockets that are not.  Florida, as a state, is fairly conservative.  Even allegedly gay governor Crist has done everything to label himself straight, including supporting anti gay rights issues.

If you're going to settle in the US, first look for the states that have trans protection rights in place.  (See map (http://www.thetaskforce.org/downloads/reports/issue_maps/non_discrimination_7_09_color.pdf))  From there look for specific jurisdictions that have trans protection laws in place. (LINK) (http://www.transgenderlaw.org/ndlaws/index.htm#maps) Both will give you a "climate" for determining trans friendly.

Of course, talking to people who live there and visiting those places will give you a better idea but IMHO every place you consider will ultimately be determined as trans friendly based on what you bring with you, like personal attitude.


Thanks Julie, this is something that I never even thought of.  Judging from these links both California and Florida look good--California moreso than Florida.  I just need year round sun and heat
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Jude_ on June 08, 2010, 05:50:47 PM
You mentioned Detroit, well, Ann Arbor michigan is a very trans-friendly place too. It has a HUGE trans community. Ferndale too. 

Definitely San Francisco would be very accepting.

Also Portland, Oregon.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Pica Pica on June 08, 2010, 05:53:42 PM
You seem a bit squeamish for most of the UK - you have to be prepared to muck in with the great majority of people if you in a city and as for the countryside - eesh - it's countryside. Also, everyone would laugh at your accent, but everyone laughs at everyone's accent - it's a thing.

If you were coming Brighton and North London are very open places... I hear great things about Manchester, Leeds and Liverpool too but they are up norf do I don't have much to do with them. As for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland - I wouldn't even bother

As for money, I'm guessing your talking dollars - that means £20-25k, a very liveable wage, somewhere around the area of a middle manager/ teacher (and about 15k more than me, and I survive most of the time).
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: tekla on June 08, 2010, 07:38:32 PM
You'd have to be pretty much crazy or a real visionary to move to most of Detroit, it's the most abandoned city in the US.  Huge tracts of land (estimates up to 1/3 of the property in the city) are pretty much devoid of people, as are many skyscrapers downtown.  However there are places where you can buy a house for as little as a dollar if you promise to move in and fix it up.  That can be a big deal however.
http://www.urbanhonking.com/actionitems/detroit_houses.jpg (http://www.urbanhonking.com/actionitems/detroit_houses.jpg)

If you google 'abandoned detroit' you'll get over a million hits.  Some of these sites are truly mind blowing.
http://www.google.com/search?aq=0&oq=abandoned+d&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=abandoned+detroit (http://www.google.com/search?aq=0&oq=abandoned+d&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=abandoned+detroit)

It's also very cold there in the winter.

Key West, or San Diego have near perfect weather year round.

Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Binks on June 08, 2010, 07:47:36 PM
Omaha surprisingly its one of the most trans friendly cities in the country, Why no one cares we have support groups doctors that are friendly knowledgeable and caring towards trans issues. But we have roughly the same climate as Montreal.

My second recommendation would be Tucson with the kind of support available there not to mention SAGA being one of the coolest groups I have ever dealt with you can't go wrong oh yeah and my aunt is a psychiatrist there and she is fully trans friendly.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: findingreason on June 08, 2010, 08:02:36 PM
Quote from: darklady on June 07, 2010, 06:50:52 AM
According to wikipedia Detroit is the most liberal city in the United States.  :)

I'd be avoiding that place too....it's also one of the most dangerous cities in the United States :o
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Kristyn on June 08, 2010, 08:23:47 PM
Quote from: Binks on June 08, 2010, 07:47:36 PM
Omaha surprisingly its one of the most trans friendly cities in the country, Why no one cares we have support groups doctors that are friendly knowledgeable and caring towards trans issues. But we have roughly the same climate as Montreal.

My second recommendation would be Tucson with the kind of support available there not to mention SAGA being one of the coolest groups I have ever dealt with you can't go wrong oh yeah and my aunt is a psychiatrist there and she is fully trans friendly.

I do have a thing for the desert too :)

Post Merge: June 08, 2010, 08:25:49 PM

Quote from: Pica Pica on June 08, 2010, 05:53:42 PM
You seem a bit squeamish for most of the UK - you have to be prepared to muck in with the great majority of people if you in a city and as for the countryside - eesh - it's countryside. Also, everyone would laugh at your accent, but everyone laughs at everyone's accent - it's a thing.

If you were coming Brighton and North London are very open places... I hear great things about Manchester, Leeds and Liverpool too but they are up norf do I don't have much to do with them. As for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland - I wouldn't even bother

As for money, I'm guessing your talking dollars - that means £20-25k, a very liveable wage, somewhere around the area of a middle manager/ teacher (and about 15k more than me, and I survive most of the time).

I've always wanted to visit the UK and Europe.  I would have expected the cost of living to be quite higher there
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Michelle. on June 09, 2010, 03:00:41 AM
Some real estate markets in the US. Florida, Cali, Nevada as examples.  good deals available.

Those condos in South Florida going for 350K four yrs ago can be picked up around 100K now adays.

Basically when you reach Palm Beach County the areas in general are GLBT friendly. As for specific areas... we too have our "little Detroit pockets."

Best of luck to you.

ps the beaches will stay nice if the "Loop Current" dosent get ahold of  that oil mess.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Evan on June 09, 2010, 08:40:17 AM
Quote from: tekla on June 08, 2010, 07:38:32 PM
Key West, or San Diego have near perfect weather year round.

I wouldn't recommend Key West, or the West Coast of Florida either, unless you like hurricanes.. and possible mandatory evacuations because of them in the Key's.


Quote from: michellesofl on June 09, 2010, 03:00:41 AM
Some real estate markets in the US. Florida, Cali, Nevada as examples.  good deals available.

Those condos in South Florida going for 350K four yrs ago can be picked up around 100K now adays.

Basically when you reach Palm Beach County the areas in general are GLBT friendly. As for specific areas... we too have our "little Detroit pockets."

so true, there are many condos regularly even going as low as 20,000.. and if you qualify for 55 and over housing, the deals are even better.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Kristyn on June 09, 2010, 08:49:52 AM
Quote from: Evan on June 09, 2010, 08:40:17 AM


so true, there are many condos regularly even going as low as 20,000.. and if you qualify for 55 and over housing, the deals are even better.

20K?  What type of condition are they in?  How about the neighborhood?
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Cindy Stephens on June 09, 2010, 11:57:48 AM
I have lived on the west coast of Florida (Tampa) for the last 30 years, and haven't had ONE hurricane yet!  I do seem to remember ANDREW destroying a large part of Miami.  Tampa, St. Pete and especially Sarasota,  can be very gay/trans friendly.  Additionally, it isn't as Spanish oriented as Miami. If that would be a culture shock to you, then it should be a consideration.  Sarasota in particular is very arts oriented and dotes on well to-do retirees. Your income would be fine, but don't expect a hacienda on the beach.  Excellent museums, Botanical Gardens, Ballet, and Masterworks in Music program.  Itshak Pearlman teaches advanced violin during the winter when he stays at his condo there and gives recitals.  Storms tend to stay offshore as they head off to clobber the panhandle and New Orleans. 
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Kristyn on June 09, 2010, 12:21:23 PM
Quote from: Cindy Stephens on June 09, 2010, 11:57:48 AM
I have lived on the west coast of Florida (Tampa) for the last 30 years, and haven't had ONE hurricane yet!  I do seem to remember ANDREW destroying a large part of Miami.  Tampa, St. Pete and especially Sarasota,  can be very gay/trans friendly.  Additionally, it isn't as Spanish oriented as Miami. If that would be a culture shock to you, then it should be a consideration.  Sarasota in particular is very arts oriented and dotes on well to-do retirees. Your income would be fine, but don't expect a hacienda on the beach.  Excellent museums, Botanical Gardens, Ballet, and Masterworks in Music program.  Itshak Pearlman teaches advanced violin during the winter when he stays at his condo there and gives recitals.  Storms tend to stay offshore as they head off to clobber the panhandle and New Orleans.

Florida is looking better and better.  I've made up my mind to visit sometime after my surgery

Thanks!
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Evan on June 09, 2010, 06:30:12 PM
Quote from: Kristyn on June 09, 2010, 08:49:52 AM
20K?  What type of condition are they in?  How about the neighborhood?

those prices are what I've heard that some condo foreclosures are going for in ft lauderdale (Sunrise, Tamarac, Plantation).. what developments they are in I wouldn't know, but if you go through the court house (downtown Ft Lauderdale I believe is $100 for complete listing, but don't quote me on that) you can get a foreclosure listing. I do know for sure that some of the Sunrise Lakes Phases are going for that cheap, but they are 55 and older condos.

Quote from: Cindy Stephens on June 09, 2010, 11:57:48 AM
I have lived on the west coast of Florida (Tampa) for the last 30 years, and haven't had ONE hurricane yet!  I do seem to remember ANDREW destroying a large part of Miami.  Tampa, St. Pete and especially Sarasota,  can be very gay/trans friendly.  Additionally, it isn't as Spanish oriented as Miami. If that would be a culture shock to you, then it should be a consideration.  Sarasota in particular is very arts oriented and dotes on well to-do retirees. Your income would be fine, but don't expect a hacienda on the beach.  Excellent museums, Botanical Gardens, Ballet, and Masterworks in Music program.  Itshak Pearlman teaches advanced violin during the winter when he stays at his condo there and gives recitals.  Storms tend to stay offshore as they head off to clobber the panhandle and New Orleans. 

When I said West Coast I was referring to Port Charlotte/ Cape Coral area.. you're right Tampa is placed well to avoid hurricanes, but then again so is Broward County.. except for the two hurricanes in '05 we hadn't had a good direct hit since I think the 60's. Miami on the other hand... after seeing what Andrew did I definitely will never live there, visit sure, never live.. you are right about the Spanish population, though I have seen a growing Mexican population in Tampa/Clearwater.. Miami is very Cuban, veerrry Cuban, it's like it's own little country there.. if you're not okay with people assuming you speak spanish.. or constantly hearing spanish, Miami is not for you.. Ft Lauderdale, West Palm isn't as bad, but there are pockets (boca).
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: tekla on June 09, 2010, 06:37:55 PM
Hurricanes are easy, at least you have a warning, try having the earth move under your feet (when you're not having sex.)  And no warning with earthquakes.  I'll take that chance over a blizzard any day.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Kristyn on June 09, 2010, 08:29:26 PM
Quote from: Cindy Stephens on June 09, 2010, 11:57:48 AM
I have lived on the west coast of Florida (Tampa) for the last 30 years, and haven't had ONE hurricane yet!  I do seem to remember ANDREW destroying a large part of Miami.  Tampa, St. Pete and especially Sarasota,  can be very gay/trans friendly.  Additionally, it isn't as Spanish oriented as Miami. If that would be a culture shock to you, then it should be a consideration.  Sarasota in particular is very arts oriented and dotes on well to-do retirees. Your income would be fine, but don't expect a hacienda on the beach.  Excellent museums, Botanical Gardens, Ballet, and Masterworks in Music program.  Itshak Pearlman teaches advanced violin during the winter when he stays at his condo there and gives recitals.  Storms tend to stay offshore as they head off to clobber the panhandle and New Orleans.

St Pete, Sarasota and Tampa.  Of the three, which would be the best place a budding musician ply her trade?  I sing and play old soul and R&B and dabble in jazz instrumentals
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: tekla on June 09, 2010, 10:57:42 PM
I sing and play old soul and R&B and dabble in jazz instrumentals

So, what do you do for money?  It's not like that stuff pays much these days.  Try a resort town.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Kristyn on June 09, 2010, 11:09:11 PM
Quote from: tekla on June 09, 2010, 10:57:42 PM
I sing and play old soul and R&B and dabble in jazz instrumentals

So, what do you do for money?  It's not like that stuff pays much these days.  Try a resort town.

Actually, I'm a designer and production artist for print and web by trade.  The music thing is not for money, but strictly for love.  It's really the only thing I feel a connection with.  When I posed the question, I was more or less wondering about places with open stages, street performances, etc.

A resort town?  You mean like Margaritaville?   ;)
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: tekla on June 09, 2010, 11:21:01 PM
I was not aware that Jimmy Buffet booked anyone at any of his place but himself.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Deanna_Renee on June 10, 2010, 06:41:06 AM
Quote from: Kristyn on June 09, 2010, 11:09:11 PM
Actually, I'm a designer and production artist for print and web by trade.  The music thing is not for money, but strictly for love.  It's really the only thing I feel a connection with.  When I posed the question, I was more or less wondering about places with open stages, street performances, etc.

A resort town?  You mean like Margaritaville?   ;)

If you are looking to stay in the design field, then Miami or Atlanta are your two best bets in the SE, and to a lesser degree Ft. Lauderdale (I'm a designer myself). Music should also be a fairly open market in either city as well. Although there are a lot of both in both cities.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Kristyn on June 10, 2010, 07:25:55 AM
Quote from: Deanna_Renee on June 10, 2010, 06:41:06 AM
If you are looking to stay in the design field, then Miami or Atlanta are your two best bets in the SE, and to a lesser degree Ft. Lauderdale (I'm a designer myself). Music should also be a fairly open market in either city as well. Although there are a lot of both in both cities.

Thanks Deanne.  How about St Pete's?
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Deanna_Renee on June 10, 2010, 07:41:28 AM
I have only been to St. Pete's once, and that was more than a decade ago. Gorgeous beaches, but I know little else. As far as a design community - there is not much at all. Did I mention the beaches are quite nice?

Deanna
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Kristyn on June 10, 2010, 07:48:09 AM
Quote from: Deanna_Renee on June 10, 2010, 07:41:28 AM
I have only been to St. Pete's once, and that was more than a decade ago. Gorgeous beaches, but I know little else. As far as a design community - there is not much at all. Did I mention the beaches are quite nice?

Deanna

:(  The beaches do look amazing, though.  I was looking at the various south Florida tourist sites last night and they really peaked my interest.  I also noticed that there are a lot of magazine publishers in that area--I have magazine experience
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: DeniseK on June 10, 2010, 08:14:26 AM
Sydney is very trans-friendly.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Bam on June 10, 2010, 12:07:53 PM
St.Pete,Tampa and Sarasota tend to be very expensive to live in.Going a little more North it gets cheaper,but n night life to speak of.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Kristyn on June 10, 2010, 12:24:00 PM
Quote from: Cindy Stephens on June 10, 2010, 11:45:03 AM
If you haven't been to St.Pete in ten years, then you have to do the time warp to know.  It is completely different with a vibrant downtown as well as access to some of the best beaches in the world.  The entire area has really focused on developing and nurturing the "creative class."  As this class includes a high level of gays, it has created some friction with the Baptist "troglodyte" class.  The creative classes have reached a momentum that really can't be stopped. Business know what the future looks like.  As far a blues and bands, look up "Gaybor" on facebook for the traditional liberal Cuban "Cigar City" section of Tampa.  A pretty wild scene on weekends with some legendary special events.  Also search on "skippers smoke house" for a really bizarre blues scene venue.  I recently purchased tickets to a show by Eric Lindell, that should be a trip.  I hope that I am not sounding like a travel agent.  But the area has changed dramatically since my boyfriend and I moved here 30 years ago.  One last thing.  The east and west coast of florida are really different.  New York and New England people tend to settle on the east coast, mid-westerners on the west.  The west coast is more laid back, east coast is faster paced, though that may be changing.  East coast is glitzy hip, west is more laid back type of hip.  Hope this helps.

Thanks Cindy!  Great Info!  I'm definitely planning a trip there after my surgery sometime
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: gothique11 on June 10, 2010, 02:20:06 PM
I live in Calgary, Alberta -- a lot of trans ppl live here (and in Edmonton). I think part of it is because our province used to cover SRS, until our current provincial govt got into power (and it looks as if they won't be back, since they are very unpopular atm).

I've heard from several ppl that have moved here that Calgary and Edmonton are trans friendly. Alberta attracted a lot of ppl from all over because of the jobs out here -- and, so, our land scape has changed a lot in terms of how society is here as a whole. It's not as cowboy and redneck as ppl think it is. Also, a lot of ppl are apathetic out here, they really don't care much who you are. It has changed a lot in the last 10 years, and especially in the last 5 years.

It's not cheap to live out here, however. It has progressively gotten more expensive. Calgary is as expensive to live at as Vancouver; but on the flip side, getting a job out here is a lot easier than Vancouver. The recession hit our jobs hard here, but they have started to bounce back. It's easier and slightly cheaper to find a place now, but it looks like by 2011 it's going to be back to harder-to-find places, and more cost as the demand goes up.

Calgary, also, is probably one of the most American-like city in Canada. Calgary is more of a business, office, high-end type of city. We're the hub of industry and banking for Western Canada.

Edmonton is more blue-collared, and not as expensive as Calgary. It's colder than Calgary (temp wis - as calgary is usually pretty warm with mild winters; Edmonton has cold winters). It doesn't have as much growth in population, and it has a different feel to it... I have had some ppl say it feels more Canadian.

Here, there's always a Calgary vs Edmonton power play. Edmonton is the seat of government, and we're the seat of Economy.

I've only ever lived in Calgary and it's not bad. Like every city, it has its plus and minuses. It really depends on what you want and what you are looking for. People who work in business-type jobs love it here, 'cause this is where a lot of those jobs are, since we're a major hub in industry (especially oil). Some ppl say that we're a bit like Texas, and sometimes ppl call Alberta the Canadian version of Texas.

It has gotten a lot more liberal here in terms of population; but there are also old grumpies that come from here and try to get into power and then give our province a bad name -- ie Prime Minister Harper... he's from Calgary. And, like Bush is from Texas, so are the Dixie Chicks and other ppl who are form Texas and don't like him. Our current primier, Ed Stelmach, is very unpopular here (especially in Calgary). It's highly doubtful he'll win another election, and doubtful that his party will win (they won, sadly, because of apathy... then ppl cared when he started tearing up the province and crashed it into the ground).

No one really cares if you're trans here (or, I should say, the majority). People just care about hockey here. LOL

Being American-ish here, however, we also attract Bush and friends (Rice, Ann Coulter), etc, as an attractive place to visit. Other cities didn't want them, but we did. Our protests were here, but small, and not violent (which is why Calgary is often picked, 'cause no one really cares, and goes about their own business and aren't very confrontational... and if we are confrontational, it's very polite and non-violet... most, just do a groan, talk about it during coffee, then gather at home with friends to watch hockey and have a few beers. Next day, wake up and go to the office). In general, we are pretty friendly... other trans ppl from other places in the world who have moved here have said that as well; often surprised. We're more diverse than ppl think.

It's hard to explain what it's like here. o_0  Our sister city is Phoenix, Arizona and Quebec City, Quebec (in Canada). Besides sometimes being called Texas, we're also compared to Nashville. Calgary has a old-west, smaller town, but modern and global feel to it, since it's such a huge trading and international hub.

Tegan and Sara (they are indie singers, who are twin sisters and lesbian) are from here... LOL, if Harper was our Bush, then Tegan and Sara would be like our Dixie Chicks -- both from the same place, but both very different ends of the scale. Harper actually is from Calgary, just as Tegan and Sara are. So, yeah, we have both ends of the spectrum here, and everything in between.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calgary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calgary)

I don't know if it's the trans-friendliest city of them all, but I know it's not really that bad.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: alexia elliot on June 10, 2010, 02:59:55 PM
I lived in Miami some 20 years ago and then it was a artsyfartsy mecca, little cheesy at times but artsy in general. Night life progressive joints jazz and drugs. I was a little girl then, Miami had a South American flare, I repeat Flare. Now it is more like overwhelmingly South American ( without flair) to the point of not being able to communicate well without speaking the native tongue, all sorts of Spanish dialect. As to Tampa/St. Pete/Clearwater they still have a sense of retirement community and redneck flair. Not exactly progressive! And then the weather, if you are planning to wear anything more than summer dress such as a bra, panties, etc., you will bake literally alive, unless you stay indoors for say, 6 to 7 months a year. Today I clocked 98F, with I am not sure but humidity in the high80's% to low 90's% and that is just because front is coming through and brought bit of dry air with it.

I am too interested in finding a place which is so progressive in general arts that creates welcome atmosphere to all the societal rejects :-) like city of Paris in 1800's.

We may have to settle somewhere and establish such our selves, who knows, some crazy ideas have come to fruition in the past given enough commitment and want.

Post Merge: June 11, 2010, 05:54:42 PM

I would love to find out if San Francisco is truly what I have heard of it. I been told that it is gay/lesbian and perhaps transgender friendly and that this might be an understatement. I heard that it has a very large gay community and is quite open and tolerant to that idea. I know from the past that gay tolerance doesn't have to mean transgender tolerance, I wonder if someone does live there or knows of living conditions there (of course besides being the most expensive city to live in in the world)
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Radar on January 04, 2011, 07:38:31 AM
Quote from: Kristyn on June 07, 2010, 08:56:22 AMThe southwestern and southeastern US has always had my eye.
Be careful of the U.S. South- especially the Bible Belt. Some places are good but most places are very transphobic. In most places we have few to no rights and little resources. Many would rather see us die and burn in Hell before helping us.

Most pro-trans and supportive people I've come across in the South are transplants. This has all just been my experience. Whenever I move I'm completely leaving the South- the Deep South anyway.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Radar on January 04, 2011, 08:01:00 AM
Wow... there are so many graphic & web designers on this board. :D

Does anyone have any other recommendations on trans-friendly, non-Southern places with a good design market and employment? I have no problem with the cold.

As much as I'd love to move to a different country right now that would probably be a huge headache. Plus I'd want to be farther along in transition to reduce the chance of major problems.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: mm on January 04, 2011, 12:38:25 PM
Congrauations on getting top surgery in 7 days.  Sure must feel great to be just a week away from a flat chest. Who is your surgeon?
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Torrey on January 04, 2011, 01:39:38 PM
San Francisco Bay Area is probably the most trans-friendly area in the United States.  (Which isn't saying much, because in general, the United States is NOT trans-friendly. But I have never yet been hassled except once by a department store guard when I didn't pass too well, and one of the other ladies in the changing room complained. But some of my acquaintances have not been as fortunate as me in that regard.)

I live in the East Bay near Berkeley, California,  was born there, and have lived there most of my life. 

I hear Minneapolis,  Minnesota is also trans-friendly, but it's too cold there!!

                    Torrey Grey
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Julie Marie on January 04, 2011, 02:10:22 PM
Austin, TX.
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If you're not sure you're weird enough you can take the test (http://www.keepaustinweird.com/test.html).
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: annette on January 04, 2011, 02:14:42 PM
and what about Amsterdam ?
allright a bit cold in wintertime but with warmed  gay and transfriendly pubs it's no problem

hug
annette
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: CaitJ on January 04, 2011, 03:02:50 PM
Auckland, New Zealand. It's practically run by trans people - they even have their own damn street!
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Radar on January 04, 2011, 03:23:40 PM
Quote from: Torrey on January 04, 2011, 01:39:38 PMI hear Minneapolis, Minnesota is also trans-friendly, but it's too cold there!!
I've actually thought about there. I've been there and it's a beautiful, clean city with very friendly people.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: tekla on January 04, 2011, 03:28:25 PM
When people describe Amsterdam as cold it's hardly appropriate to use the same word for winter in the middle of Minnesota where the January average (that's AVERAGE) is 18F.  The lowest recorded temperature was -41°F in January of 1888.  That's beyond cold.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Radar on January 05, 2011, 08:28:29 AM
I've been in -40°F before. It's surreal. When you first walk out the cold hits you like you wouldn't believe. Then very quickly you feel nothing. No cold- nothing. It's like it shocks your system to numbness.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: VeronikaFTH on January 05, 2011, 09:20:06 AM
I live in Chicago, but honestly I can't speak for how trans "friendly" it is in general, as I don't interact with the community much. There is an Illinois state law that makes it illegal to fire employees for being gay or trans, but that doesn't really matter because they'll just find a different excuse to fire you -- it happened to a friend of mine. It's hard to prove discrimination.

There are some good resources here, and great medical care. As with any large city, it depends on what neighbourhood you're in. If you can stand the sometimes severe weather, there are worse places to live.

It sometimes gets to -15F here in the middle of the winter, but has gotten colder occasionally. I've spent some time up in Northern Wisconsin and the upper peninsula of Michigan. Though it is beautiful up there in winter, it sure is cold, and a LOT of snow by Lake Superior. It was -25F when I was there.

I've talked to some people who lived up by the Canadian border in Minnesota, and hearing stories of -40F weather just makes me cringe. A bit too much for me....
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: spacepilot on January 05, 2011, 10:48:07 AM
Anyone know anything about the community in New York city? I'm moving there sometime over the summer and was wondering what to expect. I know it's at least more liberal and accepting of eccentricity in general from what I've heard from some friends of mine that live there, so I'd assume this would carry over to the LGBTQ/trans attitude? I'm excited about the move, regardless. ^^
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Julie Marie on January 05, 2011, 10:57:12 AM
I've lived in Chicago all my life.  Highest temp I've seen is 105, lowest was -26.  I was out driving around to cell sites that day visiting my crews and scoping out new locations.  I never shut the engine off for fear I wouldn't be able to start it again.

Chicago is a fairly trans-friendly city.  Mayor Daley has been a LGBT proponent for as long as I can remember.  We have even hosted the Gay Games and Daley was right there, front and center, supporting the community.  (I know, he's a politician but being a politician doesn't always mean being LGBT supportive.)

There's a lot of T groups in the Chicago area.  Even Halsted Street, the gay stronghold in Chicago, has warmed up to the T crowd.  (that wasn't always so)  But the weather isn't so great.  Lots of overcast days, intense cold and biting winds in the winter, oppressive heat and humidity in the summer.  I'd say we get about 20-30 really nice days a year - or so it seems.  ::)
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: annette on January 05, 2011, 06:44:37 PM
Tekla you're right, amsterdam is not as cold as minnesota because we are living near the sea but you wouldn't like it to wear summerclothes now in wintertime.
but in a certain way it's trans and gay friendly.
a lot of bars for people who accept eachother as the way they are, so you can see a straight constructionworker having  a glass with a tg or cd and they like it both because it's nice and cosy and they respect eachother.
of course like in every city there are no go zones but in general it's quite friendly
a big kiss for your always sharp comments, i surely love to read them and i do appreciate your sense of humor.


love
annette
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: japple on January 06, 2011, 12:35:11 AM
Quote from: Torrey on January 04, 2011, 01:39:38 PM

I hear Minneapolis,  Minnesota is also trans-friendly, but it's too cold there!!

Layers and hats and scarves are great things for body image issues!  Minneapolis is very LGBT friendly.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: tekla on January 06, 2011, 01:13:23 AM
a lot of bars places and spaces for people who accept eachother as the way they are

That's pretty much SF.  You'll be accepted to the degree that people like you, the trans/no trans deal is not an issue.  But your personality is.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Lilydev on January 06, 2011, 01:52:50 AM
Quote from: Vexing on January 04, 2011, 03:02:50 PM
Auckland, New Zealand. It's practically run by trans people - they even have their own damn street!

This is really awesome to hear considering I am looking at a couple jobs there that I could transition too. How about Wellington I am not sure about the available jobs there but it really looks like an awesome place to move too.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Lee on January 06, 2011, 09:34:38 AM
I've heard great things about Portland, which is nice as I've been thinking of moving there for a while.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Oweena on January 06, 2011, 09:37:32 PM
Quote from: justmeinoz on June 07, 2010, 07:58:54 AM
Here in Australia you are probably going to get hassled more for being an American than trans. 
Of course New Orleans is loose, it's just been oiled.

I have lived in many cities and towns in my lifetime.  New Orleans has always been a town for men who want to be women.  Houston Texax is now trans friendly.  I lived in Galveston for a time and was never hasseled.  Almost any place in California is good to live as a woman. 

Almost anyplace you choose to live today will treat you like you want to be treated unless you break the law then you can expect to get it in the ass and I don't mean sexually.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: CaitJ on January 06, 2011, 10:41:45 PM
Quote from: Lilydev on January 06, 2011, 01:52:50 AM
This is really awesome to hear considering I am looking at a couple jobs there that I could transition too. How about Wellington I am not sure about the available jobs there but it really looks like an awesome place to move too.

I live in Wellington; it's a pretty sweet place. It's highly public sector, full of government workers, so everyone tends to be very tolerant and politically correct. It's also the Arts capital of NZ, so it's pretty funky and alternative at the same time. There's not really a bad thing I can say about it, except for the wind.
Clearly it's awesome though, cuz it has me in it  :D
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Lilydev on January 07, 2011, 01:38:30 AM
Quote from: Vexing on January 06, 2011, 10:41:45 PM
I live in Wellington; it's a pretty sweet place. It's highly public sector, full of government workers, so everyone tends to be very tolerant and politically correct. It's also the Arts capital of NZ, so it's pretty funky and alternative at the same time. There's not really a bad thing I can say about it, except for the wind.
Clearly it's awesome though, cuz it has me in it  :D

And weta is in Wellington Sorry lord of the rings fan. Yeah I think were going to try and visit in oct or nov. I cant wait it's one of those place I have always wanted to go.

How's the tech industry there, from what I can tell it's not to bad and my company has an office in NZ but I'm curious how it is in wellington.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: CaitJ on January 07, 2011, 01:54:24 AM
Quote from: Lilydev on January 07, 2011, 01:38:30 AM
And weta is in Wellington Sorry lord of the rings fan. Yeah I think were going to try and visit in oct or nov. I cant wait it's one of those place I have always wanted to go.

How's the tech industry there, from what I can tell it's not to bad and my company has an office in NZ but I'm curious how it is in wellington.

Yeah, Weta workshops is around the corner from where I live  :D
I'm in IT and I've never had a problem finding work - if you're talking that sort of tech.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Lilydev on January 07, 2011, 02:27:03 AM
Quote from: Vexing on January 07, 2011, 01:54:24 AM
Yeah, Weta workshops is around the corner from where I live  :D
I'm in IT and I've never had a problem finding work - if you're talking that sort of tech.

I know that weta does tours of their workshop from time to time which I know would be a blast to check out. Lol I'm such a nerd but I love it :)

Yup I am in IT and engineering, I am building cloud infrastructure stuff now it's really fun. I will totally have to bug you sometime to ask you opinion about some of the companies there for your opinion.
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: Cruelladeville on January 07, 2011, 03:57:57 AM
Indeed....

I'm leaving the UK, as (a) its over populated, has (b) a failing over-stretched NHS system, and (c) very few mineral assets of energy use left...

North Sea oil.... sorry folks all going, going..... GONE!

This bodes badly for Blighty over the next two decades...

The USA has very similar problems, apart from the fact that it's still a manufacturing nation, but it's also severely energy depleted and in many ways bankrupt already....

The FED is killing the dollar by continual QE'ing.... any of you Yanks noticed the price of car fuel and food recently?

Australia and Canada are energy rich, the Aussies are China's mining operation.... this should for a wee while keep ticking along nicely....

But the ramifications of Peak Oil - which was past for good in 2008 - has the potential to derail a global population of 7bn (BIG TIME!!)  ???

NZ is great location - a tiny small population and essentially a giant farm - produces the world's best sailors too.... it so off the beaten track the Chinese will leave it alone also.... when push comes to shove for the last of the black gold fossil-fuel spoils...

In Europe the safest choice is Norway.... as long as the Russian neighbours leaves there oil & gas reserves in tact....

Where we're collectively headed is gonna be a tough play if you pick your nation state wrong.... so decide wisely kids!
Title: Re: Most trans-friendly city
Post by: CaitJ on January 07, 2011, 05:26:34 AM
Quote from: Lilydev on January 07, 2011, 02:27:03 AM
I know that weta does tours of their workshop from time to time which I know would be a blast to check out. Lol I'm such a nerd but I love it :)

Yup I am in IT and engineering, I am building cloud infrastructure stuff now it's really fun. I will totally have to bug you sometime to ask you opinion about some of the companies there for your opinion.

Be my guest; I've had contact with the three largest service providers in Wellington, so my knowledge is fairly sound.
Title: Re: Most tranans-friendly city
Post by: Tasha on January 08, 2011, 04:41:18 PM
Vancouver BC Canada