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Title: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Suziech on January 18, 2009, 01:03:14 AM
Hi, I'm new to the site and wanted to ask this important question.  I'm a 50 year old transgender person and want to know if I am too old to start hormone therapy.  I've read that the older you are the less chance you will benefit from the hormones.  Is there anyone on this board that is in their 50's and taking HRT with good results?  Thanks.

Suzie
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: shanetastic on January 18, 2009, 01:16:00 AM
It's never too late to start HRT if it will make you happy.  Everyone will see some changes in HRT, although I'm not so sure of the age differences that compare to the physical changes.  This is when I wish we had an age group before and after photo page hehe.  Never the less, I do know that some people have started later in life in that age range and have turned out great. 

Nothing is ever set in stone.  It's always a your results may vary type of deal.
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Janet_Girl on January 18, 2009, 02:14:14 AM
Hi Suziech,   :icon_wave:

Welcome to our little family. Over 1490 strong. That would be one heck of a family reunion. Feel free to post your successes/failures, Hopes/dreams.  Ask questions and seek answers.  Give and receive advice.

But remember we are family here, your family now.  And it is always nice to have another sister.   :icon_hug:

And No you are never to late to start HRT.  I am 54 and 8 months on HRT and 4 Months RLE.  And I have breast development and still going.

Janet

Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Rachael on January 18, 2009, 02:20:36 AM
Hey, Sure you can... a lot do start around that age... you will see changes, but as others said, dont expect to turn into pamela anderson overnight... chances of getting beyond a Bcup or even actually getting full breasts from hormones alone is slim at that age. But surgery fixes what nature cant finish :)
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Renate on January 18, 2009, 05:58:40 AM
Hi Suziech:

You can't throw a rock around here without hitting somebody eligible for AARP (minimum age 50).

Too old? I can tell by your post that you're still living. You're not too old.

Yes, it's true, if you're over 50, hormones will only turn you into an over 50 woman.
If that appeals to you, go for it! I did.
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Sandy on January 18, 2009, 07:17:49 AM
Suzie:

As just about everyone here has said, you are never too old!

My doctor, bless his heart, referred to me as being 54 years young when he evaluated me for HRT.

You are right, though. the effects of having a second puberty after decades of the debilitating effects of testosterone poisoning are less pronounced.  It will only affect soft tissue.  Bone and cartilage will not change.  Breast development will probably be much less (welcome to implants, honey!).  Though your nipples and areolae will become larger and *much* more sensitive!  Other things such as skin, hair, and fatty tissue will change.  Your skin will be come softer, your face will become more rounded, and you will probably lose body hair and have fat start moving to your hips and butt.  That can feel just as profound as swinging your "girls" around. 

Welcome to Susans!  Please take some time to read the site guidelines and rules to live by.  Also please take the opportunity to introduce yourself!

-Sandy
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: NicholeW. on January 18, 2009, 11:37:07 AM
Bone and cartilege will not change unless you are under about 8, so don't worry about that. All anyone on a board like this ever gets is soft tissue and plastic surgery changes.

How E transforms or doesn't anyone, no matter what age, is pretty much the luck of the draw. It's never too late as people in their 70s transition. No one is going to be able to predict yours or anyone else's results.

In point of fact a number of women who begin in their late-teens and early-twenties find that as they reach their late forties and fifties that they suddenly start to get "read" and need the FFS in order to maintain their own senses of "how I should look."

Sometimes older transitioners have a better result simply because at their ages the sexes are starting to converge in many ways with looks.

Too late? No.

Nichole
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: SusanK on January 18, 2009, 12:12:19 PM
Quote from: Renate on January 18, 2009, 05:58:40 AM
You can't throw a rock around here without hitting somebody eligible for AARP (minimum age 50).

Ow! That hurt! I'm long past the eligibility for AARP, joined and quit shortly thereafter, long story about it's corporateness bilking older people for profit. Anyway, as said, you're never too old, only the effects are less past about 50, especially in the face and body.

But before you start, you definitely should have a complete physical with all the tests to get a baseline for future comparison. This is standard practice now for 50+ year olds so it's usually covered by health insurance (gender neutral). Go for it and get the complete works.

The key with anyone on hrt after 50 is your health and fitness should come first, and your transistion second. This is because it's difficult to predict the effects of hrt, especially moderate to higher dosages, and it easy to overdo the hrt with bad results down the road. Self-monitoring is key along with routine physician visits and blood tests.

And while many health insurance plans will not pay for hrt specific to a diagnosis for GID, they will pay if there is no mention of any mental health condition. So, while it's in the conversation with your physician, its shouldn't be with your health insurance provider unless they specifically cover it, which is rare (read the plan's coverage booklet).

Good luck.

Post Merge: January 18, 2009, 12:28:21 PM

Quote from: Kassandra on January 18, 2009, 07:17:49 AM
You are right, though. the effects of having a second puberty after decades of the debilitating effects of testosterone poisoning are less pronounced.  It will only affect soft tissue.  Bone and cartilage will not change.  Breast development will probably be much less (welcome to implants, honey!).  Though your nipples and areolae will become larger and *much* more sensitive!  Other things such as skin, hair, and fatty tissue will change.  Your skin will be come softer, your face will become more rounded, and you will probably lose body hair and have fat start moving to your hips and butt.  That can feel just as profound as swinging your "girls" around.

Some of these will or can happen, but not all. You won't lose body hair as it will become finer and take longer to grow. You don't move fat cells (ok, picky), but the fat will add or subtract in some areas, but no guarrantees because it's still your genetics for your body type,  fat distribution, physical activity, exercise program, etc. Some people will lose fat on their face.

What wasn't mentioned is muscle mass loss, and without exercise or physical activity, could easily convert to fat. Your energy level and metabolism will likely change along with some mental and emotion changes (your brain uses hormones and is effected by them too).

In short, it's like going through puberty, life and menopause in 2-3+ years. But then the experience and wisdom of being older can help balance things. That's up to you as it's why some older (trans)women don' transistion nicely because they don't monitor their life and reality during the period.

it's the old adage, "Your mileage may vary." It's your life and body, take care, it's easy to wreck which may be irreversible.
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Ms.Behavin on January 18, 2009, 08:04:08 PM
Well I started HRT at 50, Now I'm 53, so it's not too late.  The effects depend on your genetics and the results appear slower,  but they do appear and then some.

Beni

Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Ms Bev on January 18, 2009, 08:37:22 PM
I started hrt in earnest at 55, and am now 58.  Far as I can tell, I have bumps and curves in all the correct places, round features, baby-soft skin, etc...
Good luck!


Bev
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: sabrina on January 18, 2009, 08:49:04 PM
I know I have a bag full of rocks somewhere close at hand *jk*  I am 26 years old and wish you nothing but the best. 

One other thing if you are alive then it is never too late for Anything. 

One of my fav songs is by a group called 3 Days Grace the song is *Never Too Late*

Quote from: Renate on January 18, 2009, 05:58:40 AM
You can't throw a rock around here without hitting somebody eligible for AARP (minimum age 50).
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Ms Bev on January 18, 2009, 08:56:37 PM
Quote from: Starbuck on January 18, 2009, 02:20:36 AM
... chances of getting beyond a Bcup or even actually getting full breasts from hormones alone is slim at that age. But surgery fixes what nature cant finish :)


I don't like the notion of cutting fragile breast tissue,and jamming plastic sacs inside.  Sure....if I needed breast reconstruction I would.
I started out as a 42 nuttin' honey, and now I'm a 38 C, and still going....slowly now. It's in the genes.  But there's so much more than just boobs.  Yes, very nice, but there is just so very much more.


Bev
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Rachael on January 19, 2009, 05:25:10 AM
Are you overweight?

As for augementation, breast tissue is not cut... implants are placed bellow the tissue... sacks are not 'jammed' No surgery is that crude...
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Chaunte on January 19, 2009, 07:11:52 AM
Welcome to the hormone-club, Suz!  I'm 51 and on HRT.
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: francoise on January 19, 2009, 08:55:36 AM
Hi Suziech,
I am 51 and on anti testo (androcur) My Endocrino said HRT is fine at our age and beyond
Androcur has proved very efficient for me to understand that my drive towards transition and feminiine gender is beyond libido issue.
No E at this point
Francoise
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: paulault55 on January 19, 2009, 09:20:58 AM
Hi Suzie,

Welcome to Susan's, I'm 56 and only been on hrt 8 months but i am getting good results so far but YMMV, like others have said body hair growth slows but not facial hair I'm getting laser for that. My facial features are changing and people are noticing. So yes us over 50 can get good results.


Paula.
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Ms Bev on January 19, 2009, 10:12:36 AM
Quote from: Starbuck on January 19, 2009, 05:25:10 AM
Are you overweight?

As for augementation, breast tissue is not cut... implants are placed bellow the tissue... sacks are not 'jammed' No surgery is that crude...

Am I overweight?  No, not so much that it matters.  Are you?
Treat yourself to some videos of BA surgery, and watch them mechanically make a pocket for the implant by shoving their hand through the implant opening, and ripping the glandular tissue from the muscle membranes to make the pocket, then poking the implant inside.  It's not the delicate surgery you might think.  Then usually, about 7 yrs later, you have them replaced.......


Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: MaggieB on January 19, 2009, 10:27:06 AM
I'm 57 and started about seven years ago. Just had an orchi 10 days ago. I asked the very same question about being too old and one thing that came to mind was: What else am I going to do? Become an old MAN? No way. I was told by family that I would never pass, that I was too masculine, that it was not a medical condition, that it was some other mental illness, that I was being perverted, that I was incompetent to make these decisions but still I persevered, transitioned and I do pass and my body did feminize more than I thought it would and I am happier.  They have been shown to be WRONG! So I say go for it!

Maggie
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Sandy on January 19, 2009, 02:11:49 PM
Quote from: Miss Bev on January 19, 2009, 10:12:36 AM


Treat yourself to some videos of BA surgery, and watch them mechanically make a pocket for the implant by shoving their hand through the implant opening, and ripping the glandular tissue from the muscle membranes to make the pocket, then poking the implant inside.  It's not the delicate surgery you might think.  Then usually, about 7 yrs later, you have them replaced.......


Yes, that is exactly what happens.  In my case, they inserted the implant through an incision around the edge of the lower areolea, through the tissue and placed the implant below the chest mucle.  That is a common procedure as well.  Also there is "below the breast insertions as well as "through the armpit".  Each has their advantages/disadvantages.  And yes they have to be "aggressive".  Believe it or not, human tissue is quite resilient.  Think how leather is resistant to being punctured or ripped open.  Leather is that way because that is the way the tissue is.  It is not the tanning process that gives leather its strength.

However, you do heal!  Those tissues that are ripped (actually stretched) will mostly return to their pre-surgical condition.  Even breast feeding is still possible following augmentation.

And the warranty is more like ten years.  Most last longer, some shorter.

If you want a real gut churning video, however, watch a rhinoplasty.  I'm not sure I would have had one had I known what really happens. :o :o :o

-Sandy
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Nigella on January 19, 2009, 02:48:39 PM
Hi,

I agree with most of what has been said. I am 50 and started HRT last year (2008) People have to generalise because everyone is different as to its how well things change for you. For me its been good and continues to be so I will say only that as some people think they can disagree with you even though they have don't you.

I have breast bud growth, breast growth, 36b at the moment, fat redistribution, bigger butt, lol, body hair loss (I was originally a gorilla, lol). My face has changed, rounder, muscle loss, softer skin, O! and yes emotional, lol.
There's probably other things. Just remembered and this one is odd, my eyesight has got better, at my last eyesight test I had because my eyesight was getting blurred with my glasses (I thought I needed stronger glasses) turned out I needed a less strength lenses, 25% improvement. Well take that as you may, but true.

Stardust
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Chrissty on January 19, 2009, 03:16:26 PM
Quote from: stardust on January 19, 2009, 02:48:39 PM
.... My face has changed, rounder, muscle loss, softer skin, O! and yes emotional, lol.

Stardust

...more "emotional" is the one thing that worries me about the idea of going on HRT at 50...

...I'm already so darn' emotional........If I got any worse I 'd need to carry "Flood Warning" signs..... ::)

Chrissty
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Rachael on January 19, 2009, 06:50:50 PM
I think after message 400 of 400 saying how its not too late, that 'i went on hrt past 50 and i look like a supermodel!' comments are a tad fruitless now... i think she knows ;)
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: amberwish on January 19, 2009, 07:16:13 PM
I am 66 and went on hormones June of 2008.  No problems and am enjoying life more than ever.  Living as a female 24/7 and 78 pound weight loss I feel more like 46 instead of 66.

Hugs   Amber
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Suziech on January 20, 2009, 01:47:46 PM
Thank you ladies for all the wonderful advice.  I am much more relieved that it is possible to have HRT in your 50's. I'm not so concerned about breast growth since I already have an A or B cup. Not even sure if I would need Hormones except to have softer skin and possibly a more feminine face.  Stardust you look wonderful.

Suzie
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Nigella on January 20, 2009, 07:07:53 PM
Quote from: Starbuck on January 19, 2009, 06:50:50 PM
I think after message 400 of 400 saying how its not too late, that 'i went on hrt past 50 and i look like a supermodel!' comments are a tad fruitless now... i think she knows ;)

Starbuck if you look at the replies its only around 22 or so not 400 of 400 a bit of an exaggeration or am I being too obtuse with my comment and we all can't help being supermodels can we, it comes with the territory , lol.

O! and thank you Suzie for the comment, I bet you say that to all the girls, lol.

Stardust

Stardust
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Rachael on January 20, 2009, 07:58:26 PM
You are now entering Sarcasm city limits, please enjoy your stay....
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Zelane on January 24, 2009, 04:52:48 AM
Interesting, I didnt knew there were this many transitioners in their 50s.
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Chrissty on January 24, 2009, 06:03:29 AM
Quote from: Zelane on January 24, 2009, 04:52:48 AM
Interesting, I didnt knew there were this many transitioners in their 50s.

Shhhhh...We don't want too many people to know our age...It's a "Girl" thing! ;)
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Zelane on January 24, 2009, 02:13:57 PM
Actually I have seen here some persons saying they are 50 or above and when looking at their pics/avatars im like... no way, YOU ARENT 50!!11

Hey, I would like to look that young when I reach that age (If I reach it :p)
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: paulault55 on January 24, 2009, 02:23:53 PM
When discussion of age comes up and i say 56 people would say no way, then i have to get my dl out and show them, and even then they would give me a hard time about it. From now on when someone asks i'm in my 40's.

Paula.
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Laura Eva B on January 24, 2009, 03:56:28 PM
Why do peeps always have to exaggerate this subject ... ??? ...

I started hrt mid 40's (5 years now) and feel my experience is typical.

Quote from: stardust on January 19, 2009, 02:48:39 PM
Hi,

I agree with most of what has been said. I am 50 and started HRT last year (2008)

I have breast bud growth, breast growth, 36b at the moment, fat redistribution, bigger butt, lol, body hair loss (I was originally a gorilla, lol). My face has changed, rounder, muscle loss, softer skin, O! and yes emotional, lol.
There's probably other things. Just remembered and this one is odd, my eyesight has got better, at my last eyesight test I had because my eyesight was getting blurred with my glasses (I thought I needed stronger glasses) turned out I needed a less strength lenses, 25% improvement. Well take that as you may, but true.

OK Stardust, its not a dig at you but 36B on under 1 years hrt, come on ? ... and judging from your avatar a 36" band must be the most ill fitting bra ever, I'm slim, 9st 8ib, UK 10-12 / US 8-10 and I need 38" and still have to exceed an A cup ! 

It took 3 years for my body hair to significantly diminish to the point of not being an issue, and I'm still waiting for significant hip and thigh growth ... guess it will never happen short of gorging myself to gain several dress sizes, and even then most weight would go on my waistband !

Guess what did happen quite soon was skin improvement / softening, and facially I looked more feminine, but I looked half OK to begin with.

Maybe I look younger than I do in a male sense, but guess I always looked young, and no way would I pretend to look younger than many women of my age who have taken real care of themselves ...

Laura x
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Nigella on January 24, 2009, 05:03:30 PM
Quote from: Laura Eva B on January 24, 2009, 03:56:28 PM
Why do peeps always have to exaggerate this subject ... ??? ...

I started hrt mid 40's (5 years now) and feel my experience is typical.

Quote from: stardust on January 19, 2009, 02:48:39 PM
Hi,

I agree with most of what has been said. I am 50 and started HRT last year (2008)

I have breast bud growth, breast growth, 36b at the moment, fat redistribution, bigger butt, lol, body hair loss (I was originally a gorilla, lol). My face has changed, rounder, muscle loss, softer skin, O! and yes emotional, lol.
There's probably other things. Just remembered and this one is odd, my eyesight has got better, at my last eyesight test I had because my eyesight was getting blurred with my glasses (I thought I needed stronger glasses) turned out I needed a less strength lenses, 25% improvement. Well take that as you may, but true.

OK Stardust, its not a dig at you but 36B on under 1 years hrt, come on ? ... and judging from your avatar a 36" band must be the most ill fitting bra ever, I'm slim, 9st 8ib, UK 10-12 / US 8-10 and I need 38" and still have to exceed an A cup ! 

It took 3 years for my body hair to significantly diminish to the point of not being an issue, and I'm still waiting for significant hip and thigh growth ... guess it will never happen short of gorging myself to gain several dress sizes, and even then most weight would go on my waistband !

Guess what did happen quite soon was skin improvement / softening, and facially I looked more feminine, but I looked half OK to begin with.

Maybe I look younger than I do in a male sense, but guess I always looked young, and no way would I pretend to look younger than many women of my age who have taken real care of themselves ...

Laura x

Laura I always find people commenting on an others proportions rather odd as a person does not know the other. I also find it offensive and out of order. If you are implying that I lie or delude myself then I find that offensive too. My bra's fit perfectly well thank you and yes sorry to say I am 36b and fitted by a professional ladies outlet. And yes I have had that growth but bear in mind (if you see other post on painful breast buds) I was large for a male chest before HRT. And no I am not fat at 9 3/4 stone thank you and 5th 6in.

Why is that I have to justify myself to you when I don't know you and you don't know me. Why would I bother saying things if they were not true that doesn't help me or anyone else. I come here not for support but to help others. I am past that stage being 24/7, with full time work and a healthy social life. Please refrain from making comments on me when you don't know me. I don't do to you so please don't do it to me.

Stardust 
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Rachael on January 25, 2009, 05:33:32 AM
I was  A b cup inside a year... hell by about 9 months... so its entirely possible... im now a fairly mid C after 2, and a 36 band ;) I dont see why she'd have to lie about it? I know plenty of natal women that take 40+ band... whats the biggie? This isnt a competition.

As for thigh growth... SERIOUSLY? do you want some? i have more thigh than.... than a lot of thigh!
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Sandy on January 25, 2009, 07:30:01 AM
Quote from: Starbuck on January 25, 2009, 05:33:32 AM
I was  A b cup inside a year... hell by about 9 months... so its entirely possible... im now a fairly mid C after 2, and a 36 band ;) I dont see why she'd have to lie about it? I know plenty of natal women that take 40+ band... whats the biggie? This isnt a competition.

As for thigh growth... SERIOUSLY? do you want some? i have more thigh than.... than a lot of thigh!
Hey, I've got you all beat!  I gained three cup sizes in less than a day!

I started out as a barely A cup and woke up as a D cup.  Now I'm DD but I really need to get back on the treadmill.

... but then again, Dr. Z helped a little bit with about 660ml of saline on each side...  :D :D :D

-Sandy(alright!  Everybody lighten up!!)
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Rachael on January 25, 2009, 07:31:46 AM
mine are natural hon ;)
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: vanna on January 25, 2009, 07:37:03 AM
Quote from: Kassandra on January 25, 2009, 07:30:01 AM
Quote from: Starbuck on January 25, 2009, 05:33:32 AM
I was  A b cup inside a year... hell by about 9 months... so its entirely possible... im now a fairly mid C after 2, and a 36 band ;) I dont see why she'd have to lie about it? I know plenty of natal women that take 40+ band... whats the biggie? This isnt a competition.

As for thigh growth... SERIOUSLY? do you want some? i have more thigh than.... than a lot of thigh!
Hey, I've got you all beat!  I gained three cup sizes in less than a day!

I started out as a barely A cup and woke up as a D cup.  Now I'm DD but I really need to get back on the treadmill.

... but then again, Dr. Z helped a little bit with about 660ml of saline on each side...  :D :D :D

-Sandy(alright!  Everybody lighten up!!)

Lol

very good Sandy...

i 2nd the lighten up comment, every good thread lately ends up like this  ::)
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Nigella on January 25, 2009, 08:35:04 AM
Lets get back to thread. Just was fed up with others that think there experience is the norm, so it might be but the normal range also means there are those who are outside that normal range. This is my last word on this.

Suffice is to say, HRT in older age also reflects biological and genetic differences in people and each one of us is unique, that's why each persons finger print is different. In general no one knows what a person can expect from HRT. Age does come into it as there is less growth hormone, yet again in a generalised sense. That doesn't mean you don't still have a higher range than normal for your age. I still heal very quickly and my growth hormone levels are higher than usual for my age. I keep a good diet and exercise, I have never smoked and I am a light drinker (almost tea total, lol).

Everything we do will impact on hormone levels and its effect on your body.

hugs

Stardust   
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Naturally Blonde on January 29, 2009, 05:42:23 AM
Quote from: Suziech on January 18, 2009, 01:03:14 AM
Hi, I'm new to the site and wanted to ask this important question.  I'm a 50 year old transgender person and want to know if I am too old to start hormone therapy.  I've read that the older you are the less chance you will benefit from the hormones.  Is there anyone on this board that is in their 50's and taking HRT with good results?  Thanks.

Suzie

I think we are all too old for HRT if we are over 12 years old. Obviously the older we are the less impact they will have on us and after the age of 12 or 13 our pelvis has already developed, so no physical structure changes and any female fat distribution development will be limited.

But we continue on with gusto, and although I was taking HRT in my 20's I am still disappointed in the lack of female fat distribution. I'm now in my 40's and have now started other methods such as excercise and will probably seek liposuction to effect the appearance of a female waistline.

Also HRT works better on some than others no matter what age and they usually works better on endomophic body types.
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: noeleena on January 29, 2009, 08:17:46 AM
hi... this is not to compare with any one
weight  11 stone ..height  5 .9 ..waist 32 1/ 2 in.s..hips 37.in.s..bust 41 ..  h r t .  5 years ago .. s r s may 07 ..i am 61 .
    my skin is softer.   hair . with a epalater about every 3 weeks . is down at 30 % i think its a bit less .  on arms & legs .    body is at 15. % .  waist  i lost 2 in.s  . from h r t over 6 to 9 months after being on that . i did not lose my stringth as much as i thought so about 10 to 15 % . face just shave once a day & my hair is lighter  as well
  my breast growth was over 2 1 / 2 years about a b cup . now with b a 16 c to d more d   . shoes womens size 11.    for my age i am happy with the results . as i am andro as well so its good . i came out 11 years ago
    i dont & wont pass for a women yet i am told i do . okay ill let others see that  & comment.   i dont try to as i am happy just being me a women with a male back ground ..its how you accept your self as well.. so yea its all good its the you inside that counts not how you look . & its being accepted for who you are .....
       ...noeleena...
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Rachael on January 30, 2009, 04:10:50 AM
Quote from: Naturally Blonde on January 29, 2009, 05:42:23 AM
Quote from: Suziech on January 18, 2009, 01:03:14 AM
Hi, I'm new to the site and wanted to ask this important question.  I'm a 50 year old transgender person and want to know if I am too old to start hormone therapy.  I've read that the older you are the less chance you will benefit from the hormones.  Is there anyone on this board that is in their 50's and taking HRT with good results?  Thanks.

Suzie

I think we are all too old for HRT if we are over 12 years old. Obviously the older we are the less impact they will have on us and after the age of 12 or 13 our pelvis has already developed, so no physical structure changes and any female fat distribution development will be limited.

But we continue on with gusto, and although I was taking HRT in my 20's I am still disappointed in the lack of female fat distribution. I'm now in my 40's and have now started other methods such as excercise and will probably seek liposuction to effect the appearance of a female waistline.

Also HRT works better on some than others no matter what age and they usually works better on endomophic body types.
Might i ask if you are slim to skinny? NO s*** you didnt get any distribution if you had no fat to distribute..., the pelvis isnt fully formed till around age 16, in all fairness, and it can and has still changed... all bone is living, and ive known several people in thier 20s, me included, who have seen pelvic widening... Its all down to genes and hgh levels...
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Naturally Blonde on February 01, 2009, 07:43:56 PM
Quote from: Starbuck on January 30, 2009, 04:10:50 AM
I Might i ask if you are slim to skinny? NO s*** you didnt get any distribution if you had no fat to distribute..., the pelvis isnt fully formed till around age 16, in all fairness, and it can and has still changed... all bone is living, and ive known several people in thier 20s, me included, who have seen pelvic widening... Its all down to genes and hgh levels...

I wasn't that skinny but the fat distribution pattern isn't and hasn't worked for me. I tend to get fat on my belly and no where else. If I had a more rounder endomophic bodyshape to start with I may have had more luck with HRT. It has been very depressing and the more I try and put weight on the more it only goes in one place (my belly). I don't know how to put weight on my legs or my butt.

I've met a lot of TS's over the years and I have only seen two that had female fat distribution and one started at the age of 15. I don't know when the other one started. I have become skeptical of the whole transition process and its limitations.
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: klodefm42 on February 01, 2009, 08:08:53 PM
Well I think a good side to starting HRT after 50 for mtf's is that, well dont testorone levels decrease at that point? Making it easier for HRT to do its business?
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Jenny Jackson on February 02, 2009, 02:13:48 AM
I started HRT at 52. My doctor warned me that at my age I shouldn't expect much by way of physical changes, now, 2 years on, I'm not only a very happy woman but also a 38B and still growing. :)
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: vanna on February 02, 2009, 03:28:55 AM
Quote from: Naturally Blonde on February 01, 2009, 07:43:56 PM
I wasn't that skinny but the fat distribution pattern isn't and hasn't worked for me. I tend to get fat on my belly and no where else. If I had a more rounder endomophic bodyshape to start with I may have had more luck with HRT. It has been very depressing and the more I try and put weight on the more it only goes in one place (my belly). I don't know how to put weight on my legs or my butt.

I've met a lot of TS's over the years and I have only seen two that had female fat distribution and one started at the age of 15. I don't know when the other one started. I have become skeptical of the whole transition process and its limitations.

Hrmmm yes i agree Naturally Blonde,i wonder how much is genetics or if even race has something to with it. The 4 years of my HRT regime though has given me a very feminine figure. In all fairness i was that way anyway but the fat distribution has boosted my bum, hips, thighs and thinned the rest. I do tone exercise alot as well though.

How to get fat on your ass? mmm i believe pizza is a good start :)
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Naturally Blonde on February 02, 2009, 09:37:25 AM
Quote from: Ms Delgado on February 02, 2009, 03:28:55 AM
Hrmmm yes i agree Naturally Blonde,i wonder how much is genetics or if even race has something to with it. The 4 years of my HRT regime though has given me a very feminine figure. In all fairness i was that way anyway but the fat distribution has boosted my bum, hips, thighs and thinned the rest. I do tone exercise alot as well though.

How to get fat on your ass? mmm i believe pizza is a good start :)

I eat like a horse and eat pizza! the weight only goes where I don't want it to go.

Is that your real avatar pic? if so you do do look better than me.
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: vanna on February 02, 2009, 09:41:30 AM
no not my piccie

Hrmm not sure what to say then really, maybe the regime change your planning is a system boost worth doing and your get results you desire.
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: je on February 02, 2009, 09:45:49 AM
QuoteIs that your real avatar pic? if so you do do look better than me.

Lol, I bet she is a good bit like her avatar. ;)
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Naturally Blonde on February 03, 2009, 06:38:45 AM
Quote from: je on February 02, 2009, 09:45:49 AM
QuoteIs that your real avatar pic? if so you do do look better than me.

Lol, I bet she is a good bit like her avatar. ;)

I guess we will never know?
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Rachael on February 04, 2009, 03:18:21 AM
i suspect Kate Beckensale is not smugling sausage.... especally not on this forum which would lead me to belive like 80% of avitars used here, it is indeed not her.
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: cindybc on February 04, 2009, 03:54:20 AM
Hi again Naturally Blonde
Sounds like a familiar problem, the bread basket blues. Well I'm 63 years old, 4 years post-op and got enough curves in the right places to satisfy me, especially since the chances of having the results I did were slim to start with, so I was informed. Well I at least proved those who informed me wrong, but then I proved a lot of people wrong about a lot of things in my life. I am stubborn and bull headed, but I do have a warm heart, and graduated MtoF TS to just plane woman. I do had some problems with the bread basket as well, but I am presently doing some exercises to take care of that. I am down to 126lbs from 134lbs at 5'3" that is about normal and I wear a 36B bras.

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi11.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa191%2Fcynthiag932%2FHPIM0179-1.jpg&hash=48e8f3d651dfda233106cbfb699814201671689d)
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Naturally Blonde on February 04, 2009, 08:54:24 AM
Quote from: Starbuck on February 04, 2009, 03:18:21 AM
i suspect Kate Beckensale is not smugling sausage.... especally not on this forum which would lead me to belive like 80% of avitars used here, it is indeed not her.

I think that's sad that people use celebrities or film stars in their avitars rather than real picture's of themselves. If they do not want exposure it would be better without any picture. Rather than to mislead people into either thinking it is their own pic or physically associating that person with the actress.

Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: vanna on February 04, 2009, 08:59:33 AM
Lol

didnt realise my AV would cause so much conversation, im not going to rise on a comment except im suprised at the comments.

For the record a friend made it and that is why your all looking at it now. And no good deed ever goes unpunished eh Naturally Blonde
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Sephirah on February 04, 2009, 09:21:59 AM
Quote from: Naturally Blonde on February 04, 2009, 08:54:24 AM
Quote from: Starbuck on February 04, 2009, 03:18:21 AM
i suspect Kate Beckensale is not smugling sausage.... especally not on this forum which would lead me to belive like 80% of avitars used here, it is indeed not her.

I think that's sad that people use celebrities or film stars in their avitars rather than real picture's of themselves. If they do not want exposure it would be better without any picture. Rather than to mislead people into either thinking it is their own pic or physically associating that person with the actress.



There is no misleading going on. No one that uses a different avatar to themselves hangs a big sign under it saying "Hey, everyone, this is actually me!" If anyone is misled then the problem is theirs, not the person's using the avatar. :P

Nor is it a rule that people have to use pictures of themselves. It's not your place, or anyone else's to pass comment on integrity or motivation of the people who don't follow your avatar philosophy, unless the avatars chosen pass beyond the level of sexual explicitness outlined in the rules of the site. Perhaps for some it's a method of self-expression, a way to release the way they feel inside. Exactly the same reason you are here at this forum in the first place.

I have to admit, I'm a little surprised by the comments, too, and disappointed.

Nevertheless, that is totally off-topic and unrelated to the subject of this thread. So would you kindly get back to the subject at hand and stop passing judgement on people you know nothing about.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Nero on February 04, 2009, 10:28:33 AM
Quote from: Naturally Blonde on February 04, 2009, 08:54:24 AM
Quote from: Starbuck on February 04, 2009, 03:18:21 AM
i suspect Kate Beckensale is not smugling sausage.... especally not on this forum which would lead me to belive like 80% of avitars used here, it is indeed not her.

I think that's sad that people use celebrities or film stars in their avitars rather than real picture's of themselves. If they do not want exposure it would be better without any picture. Rather than to mislead people into either thinking it is their own pic or physically associating that person with the actress.




Nothing wrong with using a picture of a celebrity. People use avatars of favorite celebrities on all kinds or non-TG forums. I highly doubt people assume the celebrity is the one posting.
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: cindybc on February 04, 2009, 01:07:17 PM
I use a real photo because I think it's good for lifting the spirits of those who come here that are near my age and feel despondent about their possible results. Kind of hey, there is hope. I'm no model but I am proud of what I achieved not just in physical appearance but in real life challenges. "It can be done."

Cindy

I could of used one of these for an avatar, I think their kind of cute.

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi11.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa191%2Fcynthiag932%2Favenergain1.jpg&hash=645bbfdd312bbcb95eaa5c4511286f37397bbe2a)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi11.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa191%2Fcynthiag932%2Favatar7-1.jpg&hash=569b8838ea0c14a6bf7c27b507f4b911474b322e)
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: meow meow on February 04, 2009, 02:38:09 PM
With HRT, the younger  you are when starting the better the reesults,,,,,from my understanding if you are past your thirties the results will not outweigh the health risks.....but then again, I am not a professional and would advise that you speak to a professional about it...

If you are near LOs Angeles, there is a Place called "the hamilton center" and that is what they do....and are dedicated to the transgender community.

here:
ENDOCRINOLOGY & METABOLISM
1950 Sawtelle Blvd.,
Suite 145A
Los Angeles, California 90025

(310) 481-2245 Phone
(310) 481-2226 Fax

hope this helps
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Naturally Blonde on February 04, 2009, 03:04:16 PM
Quote from: Nero on February 04, 2009, 10:28:33 AM
Nothing wrong with using a picture of a celebrity. People use avatars of favorite celebrities on all kinds or non-TG forums. I highly doubt people assume the celebrity is the one posting.

It's time to put on make up, it's time to light the lights..

As I'm not familiar with Kate Beckensale or what she looks like, so who's to say that new people joining the forum might think that these are picture's of real successful transsexuals on the forum and become very depressed as they do not come up to that standard.

People on this forum are entitled to call themselves whatever they like but I'm not sure of the legal implications in using celebrity photographs without permission?
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Nero on February 04, 2009, 03:20:50 PM
Quote from: Naturally Blonde on February 04, 2009, 03:04:16 PM
Quote from: Nero on February 04, 2009, 10:28:33 AM
Nothing wrong with using a picture of a celebrity. People use avatars of favorite celebrities on all kinds or non-TG forums. I highly doubt people assume the celebrity is the one posting.

It's time to put on make up, it's time to light the lights..

i don't get it...  :P
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: cindybc on February 04, 2009, 03:22:49 PM
I see my cousin Miss Piggie in the crowd. I heared she lives with Bugs Bunny in Albekoikie now. ;D

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi11.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa191%2Fcynthiag932%2Fbugsbunny.jpg&hash=a0e3b67426a3b222574ffc9fed842dd83fbf7489)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi11.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa191%2Fcynthiag932%2FMisspigy.jpg&hash=2937c520af5c18a49410176f06b7f62b001a62b4)

Cindy
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Naturally Blonde on February 04, 2009, 03:24:17 PM
Quote from: cindybc on February 04, 2009, 03:22:49 PM
I see my cousin Mis Piggie in the crowd. I heared she lives with Bugs Bunny in Albekoikie now. ;D

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi11.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa191%2Fcynthiag932%2Fbugsbunny.jpg&hash=a0e3b67426a3b222574ffc9fed842dd83fbf7489)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi11.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa191%2Fcynthiag932%2FMisspigy.jpg&hash=2937c520af5c18a49410176f06b7f62b001a62b4)

Cindy
Cindy, your a star!
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: cindybc on February 04, 2009, 03:29:14 PM
Naaaaaaa, just a good performer and a storey teller  with lots of imagination.  No problems though you can hear the sonic boom when i come back into reality.  :D

Cindy
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Jenny Jackson on February 05, 2009, 12:26:19 AM
Quote from: meow meow on February 04, 2009, 02:38:09 PM
With HRT, the younger  you are when starting the better the reesults

True

Quote from: meow meow on February 04, 2009, 02:38:09 PM,,,,,from my understanding if you are past your thirties the results will not outweigh the health risks.....

Personally, I've not seen any valid clinical evidence to back up this contention
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: noeleena on February 05, 2009, 03:13:42 AM
hi... Meow.    do you have a email  add .to the endo & met place you have so kindly put up here ....
thanking you if you do ...
               ...noeleena...
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: cindybc on February 05, 2009, 03:41:36 AM
I don't believe I quite get this statement either,
Quote,,,,,from my understanding if you are past your thirties the results will not outweigh the health risks.....
I only used HRT as prescribed by a endo. and never at anytime did I ever feel any discomfort let alone any health problems from my prescribed HRT which I have been on for 9 years.

As I said I had satisfactory results from HRT which actually was more then I had even hoped for. (view photo on page 3.)

But I do agree that the younger you are the better and faster the results.

There is also the fact that after the surgery or castration, I had surgery 4 years ago, with the production of testosterone eliminated you will actually get continued feminization for a time. You will not need the spiro and the estrogen dosage will go down by about half the previous dosage causing less strain on the internal organs.

Cindy   
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Naturally Blonde on February 05, 2009, 06:22:44 AM
Quote from: Ms Delgado on February 04, 2009, 08:59:33 AM
Lol

didnt realise my AV would cause so much conversation, im not going to rise on a comment except im suprised at the comments.

For the record a friend made it and that is why your all looking at it now. And no good deed ever goes unpunished eh Naturally Blonde

Dear Ms Delgado,

Many thanks for the personal message which I cannot reply to?

I wasn't having a dig at you personally but feel disappointed with all those in general who use misleading film star pics for their profile avatars.

I do admire those like Cindy and others who use their own photograph as their pic and are honest about themselves. I also know some are stelth and do not like to give out their identity. 

I do appreciate the info you have provided regarding injectables and it is very much appreciated.

Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: noeleena on February 05, 2009, 06:53:35 AM
hi... Jenny i am as you know 61.   h r t so far is 4 years.  a bit over now . so yes we can be on h r t . if we take our time its okay . op.s as well . now thats not for every one . i know some can not do what i have done as age does have a bearing on a lot of things . yet some of us can do this & like others its better latter than not doing it . for peace of mind which is a very big part of us & how we accept our selfs . yea for ..me.. its so neat can i say that ......for others as well ....i hope so ......
                ...noeleena...
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Rachael on February 05, 2009, 10:30:55 AM
I use my real photo and im stealth.... i just dont tell anyone im trans and they dont go looking for my photo amungst billions on the net...
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: cindybc on February 05, 2009, 01:27:23 PM
Starbuck is right.

Here is what I posted on my own group which is not TG or TS oriented. This is the only TS/TG group I participate in.

Yes, I don't have a guilty conscience. I do a lot of rescue missions (Do support work online.) suicidals, and any number of different mental health disorders, like depressions, mood swings and emotional issues. Some of the material that get out on the net could be sensitive for some, and those some should be aware of that possibility.

Some places I just go to relax and have fun. Maybe if some of these folks read some of my messages that get out there and read them tentatively and pay more attention to the details of what is being discussed they may even learn something that I failed to teach the first time around with the one I was conversing with. Pretty well all my postings have messages, whether it is in attempt to save someones life, or in support, or just sharing some good humor. I say, "come ye, come all!" set a bit and I will entertain or wipe a tear.

Cynthia
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Sephirah on February 05, 2009, 01:37:50 PM
Please don't use this thread to conduct a vendetta against people who choose to think and do things differently to you.

Quite why someone who chooses a picture that isn't of themselves has a guilty conscience is beyond me. Regardless, you've made your points, repeatedly, so leave it at that. You're entitled to your opinions, which you've stated.

So, enough about the subject of avatars and please get back to the subject of the thread. I won't ask again.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Rachael on February 05, 2009, 01:40:14 PM
er... wow... when did vendetta come up?
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Sephirah on February 05, 2009, 01:59:13 PM
The tone of this thread seems to be degrading into implications about the moral character and motivations of people who choose to use alternate pictures as a forum avatar. Which are completely baseless and verging on being offensive.

People have the freedom to choose. And that choice should be respected.

As I said before, as long as the avatars don't go beyond the boundaries of sexual explicitness as outlined in the site rules:

Quote from: site rules4. The use of images, photos, avatars, or the posting of links; which are of a threatening tone, obscene, pornographic, intended to titillate, or depicts illegal acts; will not be permitted.

If someone has a problem with the fact that someone else doesn't use their actual self as an avatar, there is an option to not view people's avatars. It's in the profile settings.

There is no law saying someone cannot use an avatar of something other than their actual self. And questioning the integrity of someone who decides to exercise that choice (regardless of the image chosen) is, in my opinion, unfair.
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: cindybc on February 05, 2009, 02:22:45 PM
Sorry for straying off topic. But about the topic, I haven't heard of anyone being denied HRT no mater how old they are unless it is on the account of a physical health problem like heart, blood pressure, respiratory, kidneys, liver that sort of physical problems. Also mentally fit and psychologically balanced, then you can take HRT until the cows come home. To my knowledge.

As for the mention of one's postings on different groups showing up on the web by submitting your user name in the search engines for Fire Fox and IE is true, and anyone sensitive to that idea should be made aware of it, and I will leave it at that.

Cindy
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Rachael on February 05, 2009, 04:08:06 PM
Quote from: Leiandra on February 05, 2009, 01:59:13 PM
The tone of this thread seems to be degrading into implications about the moral character and motivations of people who choose to use alternate pictures as a forum avatar. Which are completely baseless and verging on being offensive.

People have the freedom to choose. And that choice should be respected.

As I said before, as long as the avatars don't go beyond the boundaries of sexual explicitness as outlined in the site rules:

Quote from: site rules4. The use of images, photos, avatars, or the posting of links; which are of a threatening tone, obscene, pornographic, intended to titillate, or depicts illegal acts; will not be permitted.

If someone has a problem with the fact that someone else doesn't use their actual self as an avatar, there is an option to not view people's avatars. It's in the profile settings.

There is no law saying someone cannot use an avatar of something other than their actual self. And questioning the integrity of someone who decides to exercise that choice (regardless of the image chosen) is, in my opinion, unfair.
I belive... my dear, that the implication was of those who would actively choose to decive through use of someone else's image, as thier avitar, to claim it is them. Not that one may use an avitar of something other than themselves.... hell, ive had cartoons on here before...
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Sephirah on February 05, 2009, 04:42:36 PM
Quote from: Starbuck on February 05, 2009, 04:08:06 PM
I belive... my dear, that the implication was of those who would actively choose to decive through use of someone else's image, as thier avitar, to claim it is them. Not that one may use an avitar of something other than themselves.... hell, ive had cartoons on here before...

My apologies for any misunderstanding.

However, the point still stands.To the best of my knowledge, no one has claimed that an avatar of a person who isn't them, is actually them. And should someone do so, action is taken. And to make insinuations that people who choose avatars of other people (famous or otherwise) purely to put across the instilled belief that they actually are that person, with intent to decieve and fool everyone else, is without merit or proof.

If someone had their personal text reading "Look at me, don't I look great?" Then that would be an entirely different thing.

If someone makes that assumption based purely on a picture (in a forum environment especially)... well... you you know what they say about assuming, don't you? You can't lay the blame for your assumption at the door of the person who uses the picture. Just learn not to make assumptions.

I think it's wholely wrong to imply that a person's choice of avatar is a reflection of who they are as a person. And to discredit someone's integrity because they choose to use an image of someone they may want or aspire to look like, or they choose as a personal expression of the way they feel inside... that's low.

Can we please drop this subject now?
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: vanna on February 05, 2009, 05:13:00 PM
I never once said that av was me actually refer to my post please, i clearly said it was not me and made by a friend as i love underworld the movie but that is my own business. I also do not have to explain my reasons for stealth.

i have taken it down since it offends so many of you, I'm pretty dismayed at well you all know of you who have offhandedly attacked me over this however you want to dress it up. You dont even know me.

really makes me want to run back to susans....
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Rachael on February 05, 2009, 05:14:26 PM
er? we already said this wasnt about you hon....

it was a general rant about the practice... brought up by someone asking if your av was you.... you're free to use it, its your choice... i dont think anyone minds
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Jenny Jackson on February 06, 2009, 02:35:59 AM
Sorry to put my 2p worth of off topic in but IMO, as Leiandra says, I can't see any problem with people using whatever avatar they wish so long as it's not posted to deceive. Personally I've always used photos of myself as an avatar but, though I don't broadcast my T status, I'm not stealth and I don't care whether one of my friends, family, colleagues or acquaintances should happen upon the mindless drivel I post to the small handful of TG forums in which I participate. However, I respect and understand why many people would want to keep their photo out of the public domain.

As an aside, a while back some random stranger PM'ed me via yahoo ostensibly to ask advice about his/her(?) claimed intention to transition. We struck up a minor dialogue and I was asked by him/her whether I'd like to see his/her photo. Not wishing to sound disinterested I said sure. What I received was a rather good, though I say it myself, photo of myself taken some years earlier and obviously pulled off some archive by this bloke to use as his own. Well they do say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery....don't they?
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: cindybc on February 06, 2009, 02:44:05 AM
"Hee, hee, hee." I think I'd probably be flattered if someone was to use my pic for their avatar, but they better be using the same username, :D

You should have sent him/her a pic of you back, I bet that would have turned his/her face a few nice shades of red. ;D

Cindy 
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: NicholeW. on February 06, 2009, 01:50:29 PM
I'm not sure I understand the point of this thread after the comments were made about avatars, particularly when I take a look at the fact that the member mentioning the use of one's own piccie hasn't been doing exactly that, using her own. I'd say someone's comfort level with showing themselves is his, their or her own business.

On all of the boards and chat forums on the internet what percentage of users do you think use their own pics as avatars?

Fact is that the generic avatars offered by the site include many celebrity pics. So perhaps the protest, if that's what this is, should be taken to Susan. I'd be willing to bet she'll have an authoritative answer.

Most older posters have had an avatar of our own pics up at one time or another. As long as an avatar doesn't violate the TOS I'm not sure what the problem is, except a poster's preference to "see" pics of others.

It'd be nice to drop this and either get back to HRT and older transitioners or to leave the thread for the archives, please.

In regard to the post above that suggests that HRT after 30 doesn't give good results. That's simply not true. A lot of younger transitioners don't get good results either. It's all a crap shoot. Good results may be linked with genetic predispositions. They are what one gets. The "rule" is simply that there is no "rule."

Nichole
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Rachael on February 06, 2009, 01:54:44 PM
pre 25 gives very different results to post 25-30 too.... post 30 can give good results, its a genetics game... you wont, persay, get as great change as fast... if ever, but it does still happen.... Weight is a factor too... if you have no fat to shift... you wont get fat redistribution.... but granted you will not get some of the bone changes possible for under 25s.
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: NicholeW. on February 06, 2009, 02:00:18 PM
Fat distribution is not the same as fat migration and a lot of trans women seem to be under the impression that it is. HRT will not move a pot belly to hips and bottom or boobs.

Any new fat cells formed will go both there and to the old places as well. So if anyone's waiting on HRT to transfer belly-fat to her boobs I'd suggest they pack a huge lunch. LOL

Nichole

Post Merge: February 06, 2009, 01:08:20 PM

Quote from: Starbuck on February 06, 2009, 01:54:44 PM
but granted you will not get some of the bone changes possible for under 25s.

There are no bone changes under 25. In point of fact all hrt changes is mammary growth, some synaptic changes, possibly BSTc changes in neuronal volume and where fat is likely to gather on one's body. It is all soft tissue changes and by the time someone's about 10 their bone-structure is in place.

Many younger transitioners find in their mid-to-late forties that the "changes" they thought were being wrought by HRT as "bone-changes" were not and then they require plastic surgery with Dr. O or Dr. S to avoid facially "looking like a guy."

Nichole


Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Rachael on February 06, 2009, 03:12:25 PM
er what?

The younger one transitions, the more likely hrt does change things... Your supositions are quite spectacular..... Many who transition under 20 see change to hip width... actual bone width.... bellow 25 human growth hormone levels are still high, and some change is possible. Granted, set bones will not, but the hip bone sets late.... as for not passing later. Sorry, thats just fail.... If one looks female, one looks female. Some young transwomen cant look like men if they try... you're telling me we will end up needing ffs even though we skipped the effects of testosterone that make one require it? what a laugh.

Hrt DOES do more than just breast growth, you are wrong, this is fact. just because it didnt happen to you, does not mean that is the law for everyone.
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: meow meow on February 06, 2009, 03:18:04 PM
Quote from: Starbuck on February 06, 2009, 03:12:25 PM
er what?

The younger one transitions, the more likely hrt does change things... Your supositions are quite spectacular..... Many who transition under 20 see change to hip width... actual bone width.... bellow 25 human growth hormone levels are still high, and some change is possible. Granted, set bones will not, but the hip bone sets late.... as for not passing later. Sorry, thats just fail.... If one looks female, one looks female. Some young transwomen cant look like men if they try... you're telling me we will end up needing ffs even though we skipped the effects of testosterone that make one require it? what a laugh.

Hrt DOES do more than just breast growth, you are wrong, this is fact. just because it didnt happen to you, does not mean that is the law for everyone.

is this in response to my post? Cuz if it is i think you may want to actually do some research
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Rachael on February 06, 2009, 03:19:55 PM
Rahda's actually...

Why should i supposedly do research?  for a start, your post was 3 pages back, and only agrees with what i just said? if anything, your post was less accurate than mine...
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: NicholeW. on February 06, 2009, 03:41:59 PM
Rach, we've been through this before. I believe it was Beyond then who pointed out that the bone-differentials you're talking about do not occur. The x-ray technician, recall.

And if you look at the post I think you'll see that I indicated it does more than just breasts-growth. If your personal experience is that your hips have spread from something other than fatty tissue accumulating you'd be a distinct exception rather than the rule.

Increasing testosterone begins to enter male-bodies at about 10 y/o and peaks in the middle-to late teens with spurts after that until about the thirties. So, at 21 you've missed nothing. Trust me, the second you're capable of having and maintaining an erection during your early teens or late pre-teens you get testosterone effects. You've never "skipped" a thing.

If you wish I'll take the time sometime this weekend to do the medical research. In return I'd like to see some research backing your statements.

Thanks so much.

Nichole
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Rachael on February 06, 2009, 03:53:41 PM
I am by far and wide not the exception alone....
As for your comments regarding ffs... i find that hilarious at best hon. Your statements are based around average figures, and average testosterone levels. Late puberties are common things. And i think you'll be suprised by what people have experienced....


and at 21 no, but then again i started hrt at 19... Yes, what has been done cannot generally be undone, but what has not may yet change direction.

As for research, why dont you actually put the books down, and ASK some young transitioners thier experience of hrt, instead of diving for woefully inaccurate books that have very little actual broad studdies of young transitioners experiences? most hrt research is conducted on mid 30-50s... NOT pre 20,23 or upto 30 even... If you can find good categorical proof of your claims within this age group, id be astounded.

id join you, but i have a life.... and this weekend is no exception
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: NicholeW. on February 06, 2009, 04:04:44 PM
http://www.endo-society.org/_MDDocReviewFiles/Transgender%20Guideline%20(1st%20Draft%2011.17.08).pdf (http://www.endo-society.org/_MDDocReviewFiles/Transgender%20Guideline%20(1st%20Draft%2011.17.08).pdf)  Bone Mass Density is not a change of bone, it's a change in the amount of the density of the bones and is a factor in later life fractures. You may get less bone accretion, but unless your parents started you on gonadotrophins when you were ten you're not going to have a much different ride than anyone else.

Your bones may stay lighter, but that is also a double-edged sword.

As for the facial changes, drop in at good FFS sites and see how many of the women there were younger transitioners who found themselves with bone-structure that revealed them more as males during mid-life.

http://php.ucsf.edu/PatientEd/MedicalCareofTransexualpts.pdf (http://php.ucsf.edu/PatientEd/MedicalCareofTransexualpts.pdf)

Again, bone structure does not change.

There are things that are helpful about young transitions and they are recommended, but transitioning young is no guarantee of better development as the first article points out. Especially read the first 35 or so pages of article one.

Now that took all of fifteen minutes.



I know you're very vested in this and I dn't want to argue. That's not the point. If you wish to maintain your stance feel free. But we've been all through this before. Your ideas are what they are and I will not respond to personal attacks. So please, if you want to be adversarial, that fine. If you just want to dismiss me and twenty years of research, that's another situation entirely.

Check the authorship of article one. Gooren and Cohen-Kettenis work with people under 19, Rach. Cohen-Kettinis pretty much exclusively. Spack is the fellow in Boston who works almost exclusively with trans-children. Those kids are well under your 19 years.
Title: Re: Am I Too Old For HRT?
Post by: Nero on February 06, 2009, 04:36:59 PM
locked for cooldown.