Hey guys post your before & after FFS pictures here!
I decided to make this thread cuz i've been thinking about getting some work done for awhile now but i'm not sure who i should choose for my surgery. I'd like to see some others before and after pic's and hear your opinions on who you think is the best surgeon before i make a decision.
This is a great idea o:
I need to be beyootiful lyk teh angelina jolie'z~~
so i need future references.
xD
::)
+1
Quote from: JoeyD on October 04, 2011, 05:12:26 PM
This is a great idea o:
I need to be beyootiful lyk teh angelina jolie'z~~
so i need future references.
xD
::)
You silly joey :laugh: & yeah thanks but nobody is posting! I probably should have made this thread in a more popular section cuz it's pretty dead here in FFS lol.
Quote from: Forever21Chic on October 06, 2011, 01:12:13 AM
You silly joey :laugh: & yeah thanks but nobody is posting! I probably should have made this thread in a more popular section cuz it's pretty dead here in FFS lol.
Same with the makeup section? what gives?
It's a pain to dig through several sub forums. I wish we had a way to subscribe to specific sub forums. When we visit we would be able to simply hit a "What's new" button that shows us all the new posts/threads in the subscribed forums. Or perhaps a tagging/filtering model that doesn't use sub forums at all! Welp, now I know what I'll be adding to my pet projects :laugh:
Quote from: Forever21Chic on October 06, 2011, 01:12:13 AM
You silly joey :laugh: & yeah thanks but nobody is posting! I probably should have made this thread in a more popular section cuz it's pretty dead here in FFS lol.
it may be because many girls who had FFS has no desire to post their before pics.
Quote from: Annah on October 09, 2011, 09:44:51 PM
it may be because many girls who had FFS has no desire to post their before pics.
You could be right annah, if it were me i'd want to show off. :D
This girl had ffs:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F_dNW4dtnNO00%2FTQL6E7RCRFI%2FAAAAAAAAAAQ%2FbTDnMgb7AfM%2FS220%2FChevalier-Boisvert%25252CM.1_r.jpg&hash=558b78e1fd4f155b5d96497f417399e963524190)
Quote from: Annah on October 09, 2011, 09:44:51 PM
it may be because many girls who had FFS has no desire to post their before pics.
That's pretty much it. I don't even recognize my old face, and it's disconcerting and depressing to think of it as having been mine, in the same way that I don't like to talk about my old name.
Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on October 09, 2011, 11:33:15 PM
This girl had ffs:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F_dNW4dtnNO00%2FTQL6E7RCRFI%2FAAAAAAAAAAQ%2FbTDnMgb7AfM%2FS220%2FChevalier-Boisvert%25252CM.1_r.jpg&hash=558b78e1fd4f155b5d96497f417399e963524190)
She kind of looks like you mahsa! :D
Quote from: Wonderdyke on October 09, 2011, 11:37:54 PM
That's pretty much it. I don't even recognize my old face, and it's disconcerting and depressing to think of it as having been mine, in the same way that I don't like to talk about my old name.
Sorry i didn't realize this was a touche subject...anywayz i've recently discovered google images so no need for this thread after all! :laugh:
Quote from: Forever21Chic on October 09, 2011, 11:51:05 PM
She kind of looks like you mahsa! :D
Sorry i didn't realize this was a touche subject...anywayz i've recently discovered google images so no need for this thread after all! :laugh:
Wearing makeup is also a touchy subject here. That section is a ghost town...I went there and a sagebrush went by.
Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on October 10, 2011, 12:28:28 AM
Wearing makeup is also a touchy subject here. That section is a ghost town...I went there and a sagebrush went by.
you'd that think section would be flooded.
it's honestly something thats hard to learn, especially for the older women.
my mom is interested in makeup and likes wearing it, but she can't remember anything i ever teach her lol.
alllllllllways asking for help lol.
Quote from: JoeyD on October 10, 2011, 12:36:05 AM
you'd that think section would be flooded.
it's honestly something thats hard to learn, especially for the older women.
my mom is interested in makeup and likes wearing it, but she can't remember anything i ever teach her lol.
alllllllllways asking for help lol.
I was raised by two feminist butch dykes... I was on my own when it came to learning anything girly or feminine. It was difficult to learn at first... I've just recently "perfected" it...lmao
But makeup is so important...I wish I had known more back when I got really into it when I was 14. My Mom would have killed me though.
Yeah learning how to do your own makeup is VERY important if you want to successfully transition. I personally still have alot to learn about makeup but my roomie is helping me with that and other girl stuff i'd normally be struggling with my own. I'd seriously be soooo lost without her, she is awesome! <3 8)
Quote from: Forever21Chic on October 09, 2011, 11:51:05 PM
She kind of looks like you mahsa! :D
I can't tell if you're laughing at me or being serious.
I wish. I wish.... I just contour my nose until I can get it taken care of.
But yeah, there seems to be an anti-makeup attitude on the board. Don't do cake up, but don't do too much... Either way will get you clocked. I think a lot of them just don't know and have enough confidence to wear it.
The three of us should update the makeup section.
The three of us should update the makeup section.
We sure should.
We need to find the right way to approach it though...
i think sharing routine lists is what scares people away.
it can be overwhelming.
most people don't even know what a primer is... or a highlighter. etc etc
I started wearing makeup when I was 13.
It all started with eyeliner in 8th grade :p
and then idunno... it just happened.
my family had a problem with it but seriously?
i wasnt gonna take >-bleeped-< for what i was doing with MY face.
i was kind of an ass when i was younger, i'm glad i was though.
i needed to be blunt with who i was.
now everyone accepts me lol.
that or they're afraid to tell me something they know I don't want to hear.
i'm fine with either or.
Quote from: JoeyD on October 10, 2011, 10:13:42 PM
The three of us should update the makeup section.
We sure should.
We need to find the right way to approach it though...
i think sharing routine lists is what scares people away.
it can be overwhelming.
most people don't even know what a primer is... or a highlighter. etc etc
Well first we need to break misconceptions that it makes transwomens look like drag queens. It doesn't... I do natural makeup but use the same methods the DQ's use. I think a lot of people on the board could benefit from learning how to do makeup within the "golden ratio".
Any thoughts on what to do?
That's a great idea mahsa!! & thx for including me in your reindeer games (wow i'm such a dork lol) but i don't know a whole lot about makeup to be giving advice to people. :D I know how to do basic makeup for myself to pass but nothing pro, my roomate does most of my makeup. I agree with jojo that going about it the right way is key, long routine lists scare most people regardless. I think step-by-step guides would be the best way to go about it, start with the basics and see what happens!
I think good makeup helps a lot with passing, if you girls want to share what you know, I am all for learning.
Quote from: Forever21Chic on October 10, 2011, 11:42:48 PM
That's a great idea mahsa!! & thx for including me in your reindeer games (wow i'm such a dork lol) but i don't know a whole lot about makeup to be giving advice to people. :D I know how to do basic makeup for myself to pass but nothing pro, my roomate does most of my makeup. I agree with jojo that going about it the right way is key, long routine lists scare most people regardless. I think step-by-step guides would be the best way to go about it, start with the basics and see what happens!
You shall be Vixen, the young reindeer. I am Rudra the upturned nose reindeer. Jojo shall be Nyxon. Tonight we shall light santa's sleigh...okay, where were we?
Oh yeah...makeup
Well I still don't know how to make someone who has a hard face look like Madonna or something. It could be problematic because older women aren't going to use young girls methods to pass and stuff. I want to help, but I also would like to be tactful and some people just don't have it in them.
Plus it's also what their born with... Maybe we shouldn't say anything. Just give them basic advice.
So where do I post a picture with makeup for you to tell me what I am doing wrong?
Quote from: Bird on October 11, 2011, 10:48:17 AM
So where do I post a picture with makeup for you to tell me what I am doing wrong?
Somewhere in the makeup section.
Quote from: Forever21Chic on October 09, 2011, 11:51:05 PM
She kind of looks like you mahsa! :D
Sorry i didn't realize this was a touche subject...anywayz i've recently discovered google images so no need for this thread after all! :laugh:
I followed her channel on YouTube for a while. "
>-bleeped-<Girl15" I think. It took a LONG time for her face to settle down into what you see there. I mean, over a year. It was brutal for a couple months, the poor girl. I'm so scared something like that would happen to me!
Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on October 10, 2011, 03:59:46 PM
The three of us should update the makeup section.
I'll join you over there.:)
Makeup rocks. It's way important, if you ask me. I mean, a girl always has a choice now-a-days - most of my female coworkers don't wear makeup or it's super light and natural. I go for the natural look - cake is gross, and clown face is worse!
I have a post there if any of you girls want to help me.
Quote from: Cadence Jean on October 16, 2011, 06:10:00 PM
I'll join you over there.:)
Makeup rocks. It's way important, if you ask me. I mean, a girl always has a choice now-a-days - most of my female coworkers don't wear makeup or it's super light and natural. I go for the natural look - cake is gross, and clown face is worse!
Having worn cake face last night. I agree 100%. But yeah, follow us there.
Even natural females need to contour and highlight...the idea is not to overdo it and make it natural.
I had FFS with Dr. Spiegel. I made a video with before and after pictures:
FFS - Facial Feminization Surgery Before and After (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn82qIAukos#)
Here's a sample photo:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi53.tinypic.com%2F2nqe446.png&hash=792ff7b413f40610a4c1f3ceb9e6331993b3e4c6)
Oh wow....
He made you into your sister ;D
Butterflyhugs...You look uh-mazing! Congratulations on your fantastic results. But you already had nice feminine features to begin with.
Quote from: Butterflyhugs on October 19, 2011, 05:58:16 AM
Here's a sample photo:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi53.tinypic.com%2F2nqe446.png&hash=792ff7b413f40610a4c1f3ceb9e6331993b3e4c6)
Kat Von D? Honestly you do!
Lol thanks :P
Unfortunately I don't have any "intermediary" photos, only before transition and after FFS
WoW. I'm impressed, congrats on a beautiful transition.
Quote from: JoeyD on October 19, 2011, 09:00:25 AM
Oh wow....
He made you into your sister ;D
. That's exactly what I would want out of FFS.
Quote from: Butterflyhugs on October 19, 2011, 05:58:16 AM
I had FFS with Dr. Spiegel last August. I made a video with before and after pictures:
FFS - Facial Feminization Surgery Before and After (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn82qIAukos#)
Here's a sample photo:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi53.tinypic.com%2F2nqe446.png&hash=792ff7b413f40610a4c1f3ceb9e6331993b3e4c6)
Very impressive results lol. What procedures did you have done?
ITSz NUN OF YUR BI'DNEZZZ, F21chic!
^-^
Quote from: JoeyD on October 20, 2011, 12:18:25 AM
ITSz NUN OF YUR BI'DNEZZZ, F21chic!
^-^
LOL shush lil sister! This iz myyyy thread! :police:
If I had money, I'd post photos in this thread.
I want ffs/boobs to "perfect" things, I have a cute face(but sometimes still clockable)... But I hate being poor
Quote from: Rukia87xo on October 20, 2011, 12:15:53 AM
Very impressive results lol. What procedures did you have done?
Forehead contouring
Brow lift
Scalp advancement
Mandible contouring (jaw and chin)
Cheek augmentation
Rhinoplasty
Upper lip lift and augmentation
Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on October 20, 2011, 01:04:47 AM
If I had money, I'd post photos in this thread.
I want ffs/boobs to "perfect" things, I have a cute face(but sometimes still clockable)... But I hate being poor
If it makes you feel any better, as a direct result of taking transition to the point of surgery (when it became clear that it wasn't "just a phase"), my family disowned me and I spent a lot of last winter living outside in Philadelphia. Some situations aren't as pretty as they look :-X
Your families reaction is just tragic. You deserve happiness after enduring Philly outside, during winter.
How much did your FFS cost?
Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on October 20, 2011, 01:04:47 AM
If I had money, I'd post photos in this thread.
I want ffs/boobs to "perfect" things, I have a cute face(but sometimes still clockable)... But I hate being poor
I know what you mean....i hate being poor. The only reason i have money for FFS is because my great uncle died and left me money. I'm debating weather or not i should get FFS or save the money for SRS/GRS cuz i know i'll never be able to save up that kind of cash with my dead end job. :(
Quote from: Butterflyhugs on October 20, 2011, 04:45:23 AM
If it makes you feel any better, as a direct result of taking transition to the point of surgery (when it became clear that it wasn't "just a phase"), my family disowned me and I spent a lot of last winter living outside in Philadelphia. Some situations aren't as pretty as they look :-X
I'm sorry that happened to you. I had the samething happen to me when i first attempted transition at 19, unlike you when my family threaten to disown me i choose them over my happiness and de-transitioned....biggest mistake of my life. :'(
Quote from: Michelle. on October 20, 2011, 12:16:59 PM
How much did your FFS cost?
The total cost of the procedures/hospital bills was about $32,000, and an additional ~$2000 for 10 days hotel accommodations and travel. I had actually got a pricing about 2 years prior for the same surgeries, and in the time I waited to get them done the total cost went up by close to $4000.
I paid for it with the entirety of an injury settlement and by convincing my mom to fill in the rest. Afterwards, pressure from my family (I have one of
those families) caused her to change her mind about the whole situation and that's where things went bad.
Quote from: Butterflyhugs on October 20, 2011, 05:42:38 PM
The total cost of the procedures/hospital bills was about $32,000, and an additional ~$2000 for 10 days hotel accommodations and travel. I had actually got a pricing about 2 years prior (late 2008) for the same surgeries, and in the time I waited to get them done the total cost went up by close to $4000.
I make about 10k a year... about 3k which I actually see. 32k is unfathomable.
32k is unfathomable.
Exactly.
How in the >-bleeped-< do you find money like that?
Quote from: JoeyD on October 20, 2011, 07:30:37 PM
32k is unfathomable.
Exactly.
How in the >-bleeped-< do you find money like that?
I am guessing she was snooping through Tony Montana's reclining chair or moved into an apartment owned by John Gotti.
It was that high because of my choice of doctor (Spiegel) and because I chose to get every possible procedure (at the time) done. Serious price cuts could be made by only opting for certain things, staggering them, and going with a different surgeon. But I sadly acknowledge and agree that it's probably out of reach for many of us.
Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on October 20, 2011, 09:12:09 PM
I am guessing she was snooping through Tony Montana's reclining chair or moved into an apartment owned by John Gotti.
I answered that already:
QuoteI paid for it with the entirety of an injury settlement and by convincing my mom to fill in the rest. Afterwards, pressure from my family (I have one of those families) caused her to change her mind about the whole situation and that's where things went bad.
Quote from: Butterflyhugs on October 20, 2011, 09:19:49 PM
I answered that already:
I know... But still, that would have been cool.
Quote from: Butterflyhugs on October 19, 2011, 05:58:16 AM
I had FFS with Dr. Spiegel last August. I made a video with before and after pictures:
FFS - Facial Feminization Surgery Before and After (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn82qIAukos#)
Here's a sample photo:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi53.tinypic.com%2F2nqe446.png&hash=792ff7b413f40610a4c1f3ceb9e6331993b3e4c6)
Simply beautiful. And yes, I did manage to watch your entire intro on youtube. It was very interesting. I wish you the best.
Monica.
Quote
Butterflyhugs:: How did healing go? What kind of sensation do you have a year later?
You look phenomenal, by the way. ;D
Thanks :D
I was afraid at first because the healing was quite so slow to start. I don't remember a lot of specifics from that first week because I was in a percocet-induced haze most of the time, but some things do stand out:
When I first woke up that evening in the hospital, my eyes were completely swollen shut. I could open one of them up to the point where I could see some light through my lashes, but that was it. Imagine coming awake into high levels of pain but not even being able to look around to see WTF is what. My nose was in a cast and filled with dried blood, and I had very little control over my lips. I wound up having to stay 2 nights in the hospital on an IV because I couldn't move my mouth to eat/drink. In fact, the swelling didn't even to begin going down significantly until about 5 days post-op. When I had looked in the mirror one time back at the hotel, I remember thinking to myself that I looked like a fat Hawaiian who didn't know how to put on makeup. My face was many shades of purple, blue, red, orange, etc. The outer halves of the whites of my eyes were completely red (not bloodshot--but just a totally bright red color). The right eye stayed like that for about 3 weeks.
The doctor said that normally patients take about 3 months to fully heal (meaning there's no more noticeable swelling), but in the long run mine went a lot quicker than that. He attributed it to my being very young at the time of surgery. The one month mark was really the turning point. After that, things just kind of settled into place and all the sudden random people on the street were stopping and telling me I was pretty.
I found one photo I took of myself during the healing process. It's me at 3.5 weeks. Notice how I still look like a Gremlin or Smeagol or something similar:
Then this is me at 1.5 months (roughly 3 weeks after ugly impish creature):
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi55.tinypic.com%2F24o4nma.png&hash=62352609db4e5212e5c6168c2e4683ff17ea1c44)
So you see there was a big change in that short amount of time. I had considered myself fully healed at that point, but looking back over pictures taken throughout this past year, I can notice subtle changes occurring all the way up to about May, which would be about 9 months post-op.
As far as sensation goes, one thing I didn't like was that for a very long time my nose didn't actually feel like it was attached my face. It wasn't numb, because if I touched it I could feel my finger on the skin, but I couldn't wiggle it or flare my nostrils or anything like that. That lasted until around December (4 months post-op). Oh, and the top of my head was completely numb until around the same time. People could knock on my head, and of course I'd feel the vibrations in my neck and such, so I knew what was going on, but I couldn't actually feel them touching me. What I couldn't understand was how I could still get itches on my head, but I couldn't feel myself scratching them--so they wouldn't go away! Lol! Imagine having an itch on your harm, and watching yourself scratch it, but being unable to feel the scratching and so it doing absolutely nothing. It was quite odd and very annoying.
All in all I was very pleased with the care and courtesy (and results) of Dr. Spiegel and all his staff. They even sent me flowers at my hotel! I'd recommend them to anyone.
Quote from: JoeyD on October 20, 2011, 07:30:37 PM
32k is unfathomable.
Exactly.
How in the >-bleeped-< do you find money like that?
1. Get parents or family to pay.
2. Go to college and earn a degree so you can have a high paying career job!
3. Inherit the money from a dead relative. (like me xD)
4. Get a few loans.
5. Escort.
6. Rob a bank?
7. Find buried treasure! (X marks the spot?)
8. Win the lottery!
9. Save up your money from a min wage job. (should take you about 10-15 years lol)
10. Steal it. (referre to number 6)
Hope that helps! :laugh:
Quote from: Rukia87xo on October 20, 2011, 11:39:37 PM
1. Get parents or family to pay.(Not gonna happen)
2. Go to college and earn a degree so you can have a high paying career job!
(missed that boat)
3. Inherit the money from a dead relative.(They are all dead and didn't have anythng)
4. Get a few loans.(Credit is the devil)
5. Escort. (mmmm, I could do that...EXCEPT I AM ALMOST 30)
6. Rob a bank?(http://(i'd%20die%20in%20prison))
7. Find buried treasure! (X marks the spot?)
8. Win the lottery!(1 in a billion chance)
9. Save up your money from a min wage job.(Not gonna happen)
10. Steal Embezzle it.
Find a sugar daddy/mommy.
Take up a hobby, sell wares/service.
Find a part-time job.
Go over seas to Mexico/Central America, spend less on FFS.
Package SRS/FFS in Thailand.
Buy low/sell high.
Quote from: Michelle. on October 21, 2011, 12:22:29 AM
Find a sugar daddy
Some Persian guy offered to be my sugar daddy. He had a nice car...I told him I wasn't interested.
I want my rhino/lip aug damnit!
I'd donate some of my -insert N word here- lips to you if I could.
There's a trans friendly doctor in houston who's good at nose jobs that I'm super wanting to get into.
If only I had 6k...
It's alot cheaper than 32k+
that fer shuree.
Quote from: JoeyD on October 21, 2011, 12:45:34 AM
I'd donate some of my -insert N word here- lips to you if I could.
There's a trans friendly doctor in houston who's good at nose jobs that I'm super wanting to get into.
If only I had 6k...
It's alot cheaper than 32k+
that fer shuree.
Thank god I only have two things to do.. But most men don't complain about my features. Nose is so central to the perception of beauty.
Quote5. Escort. (mmmm, I could do that...EXCEPT I AM ALMOST 30)
I've been to a support group for MTF trans sex workers. I was the 2nd youngest one there--most of the other women were in their late 20s/mid 30s. You look attractive in your picture. As long as your body is in decent shape you could probably do it. It does come with even more psychological baggage though.
I've also heard of people using the excess of student loans and/or scholarships for college in order to pay for surgeries. That way you kill 2 birds: get a nose job, and have your tuition paid. And you don't have to start paying it back til 6 months after you graduate :P
Quote from: Butterflyhugs on October 21, 2011, 01:10:53 AM
I've been to a support group for MTF trans sex workers. I was the 2nd youngest one there--most of the other women were in their late 20s/mid 30s. You look attractive in your picture. As long as your body is in decent shape you could probably do it. It does come with even more psychological baggage though.
FFS to me is just like adding icing on the cake or upgrading to mk2 iron man armor. For now, I want to get a car and move out of my Mommy's house. But really, it helps the "feminine" effects of HRT last longer...since 15 years from now I am gonna wish I had plastic done.
I'd love to go to Vidal Sassoon though and do what I should have done 10 years ago.
This is like a fun meme. ;D
Quote from: Rukia87xo on October 20, 2011, 11:39:37 PM
1. Get parents or family to pay. *They are just as broke as me or are too selfish.
2. Go to college and earn a degree so you can have a high paying career job!Did that and can't find work.
3. Inherit the money from a dead relative. (like me xD) See #1
4. Get a few loans.Credits shot
5. Escort. Hubby would kill me.
6. Rob a bank?Too honest.
7. Find buried treasure! (X marks the spot?) Jack Sparrow beat me too it.
8. Win the lottery!Funny thing about that I would have won it twice now but 1. my cousin lost the ticket and the second is when my numbers hit was the week I couldn't afford a ticket.
9. Save up your money from a min wage job. (should take you about 10-15 years lol)Doing it and bills take the moneys away.
10. Steal it. (referre to number 6) Stiil too honest
This was fun Thanks :)
I thought that you at America have different living standards. Here in central Europe (Czech republic) everyone cry how bad everything is and have no money to anything.
But i can go to bank and easily take a loan for 32k$, I now have 80k$ mortgage for lot and 25k$ loan and when i need I can take much more.
Quote from: Medusa on October 21, 2011, 04:01:04 AM
I thought that you at America have different living standards. Here in central Europe (Czech republic) everyone cry how bad everything is and have no money to anything.
But i can go to bank and easily take a loan for 32k$, I now have 80k$ mortgage for lot and 25k$ loan and when i need I can take much more.
In America they print money like it's going out of style.
I don't trust loans or high interest on them. I don't even like credit.
Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on October 21, 2011, 12:03:52 PM
In America they print money like it's going out of style.
I don't trust loans or high interest on them. I don't even like credit.
There are medical loans you could get that cover anything medical which includes cosmetic surgery (FFS) but you'd have to have excellent credit to get a loan that high and the interest rates would be through the roof. I thought about doing this for my SRS/GRS when the time comes and afterwards be in debt for the rest of my life. What are they gonna do? take my vagina away? :D
Quote from: Rukia87xo on October 21, 2011, 03:46:53 PM
What are they gonna do? take my vagina away? :D
I laughed out loud ;D
Mahsa.
If your looking into rhino/lip work a "regular" PS should be able to do that for you. I though would do some research first. Being willing to take your money and doing a great job are two different things.
Quote from: Rukia87xo on October 21, 2011, 03:46:53 PM
There are medical loans you could get that cover anything medical which includes cosmetic surgery (FFS) but you'd have to have excellent credit to get a loan that high and the interest rates would be through the roof. I thought about doing this for my SRS/GRS when the time comes and afterwards be in debt for the rest of my life. What are they gonna do? take my vagina away? :D
Avoid Hong Kong and you'll be fine babe.
But yeah... i want ffs to enhanced my features since I have no plans for srs. So maybe get a loan and go Tony Montana on the loan collectors. LOL
Quote from: Butterflyhugs on October 19, 2011, 05:58:16 AM
I had FFS with Dr. Spiegel last August. I made a video with before and after pictures:
FFS - Facial Feminization Surgery Before and After (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn82qIAukos#)
Here's a sample photo:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi53.tinypic.com%2F2nqe446.png&hash=792ff7b413f40610a4c1f3ceb9e6331993b3e4c6)
~OMFG!!! Amazing Transition; Girl You Totally Rock It. :o :)
Quote from: Butterflyhugs on October 20, 2011, 04:45:23 AM
If it makes you feel any better, as a direct result of taking transition to the point of surgery (when it became clear that it wasn't "just a phase"), my family disowned me and I spent a lot of last winter living outside in Philadelphia. Some situations aren't as pretty as they look :-X
I'm so sorry, and angry, that they did that to you. Your family has lost a beautiful, and I'm certain—very wonderful, loving daughter. :( I'll be hoping your mom, at least, will come to her senses.
Quote from: Butterflyhugs on October 20, 2011, 10:10:28 PM
All in all I was very pleased with the care and courtesy (and results) of Dr. Spiegel and all his staff. They even sent me flowers at my hotel! I'd recommend them to anyone.
Dr. Spiegel is who I'm thinking to go see myself, once I have the money, so I'm glad you can report a good experience. :) One thing I heard about him though, is that he likes to take a conservative approach. How does your forehead look, is it very round and graceful? Can we see a profile shot?
Quote from: Butterflyhugs on October 19, 2011, 05:58:16 AM
I had FFS with Dr. Spiegel last August. I made a video with before and after pictures:
FFS - Facial Feminization Surgery Before and After (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn82qIAukos#)
Here's a sample photo:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi53.tinypic.com%2F2nqe446.png&hash=792ff7b413f40610a4c1f3ceb9e6331993b3e4c6)
Now THAT is what I call an EPICWIN. Can I borrow your face? I'll give it back...I swear...
Quote from: Cadence Jean on October 21, 2011, 10:41:09 PM
Now THAT is what I call an EPICWIN. Can I borrow your face? I'll give it back...I swear...
That seems a bit drastic... I mean I think you're face is fine and I straight up tell people if they need ffs in the "do I pass" thread.
Quote from: Cadence Jean on October 21, 2011, 10:41:09 PM
Now THAT is what I call an EPICWIN. Can I borrow your face? I'll give it back...I swear...
I know, right!! :laugh: Kristy is absolutely
gorgeous; I feel so happy for her! :'( She's had such a hard life, I dunno if you watched her 19 min vid, but jeez you will practically be in tears. ~I really hope she has only blue skies ahead of her, she deserves it.
Plus, you wanna know something else that is awesome—she likes 'The Last Unicorn'! How cool is that, its like my favorite movie, lol. ;D
Quote from: Akashiya Moka on October 21, 2011, 09:12:31 PM
Dr. Spiegel is who I'm thinking to go see myself, once I have the money, so I'm glad you can report a good experience. :) One thing I heard about him though, is that he likes to take a conservative approach. How does your forehead look, is it very round and graceful? Can we see a profile shot?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi55.tinypic.com%2F246qetu.png&hash=08054f5f1864ad31d622c01ad00dece8614fc28a)
I think "conservative" is a misunderstanding of his philosophy. In a "full reconstruction" like I had, rather than wiping the slate clean and starting anew, he likes to focus on the features you already have and put a feminine spin on your natural facial structure. The aim basically is to turn you into what your sister might look like, instead of a completely different person that happens to look female.
And The Last Unicorn has been my favorite movie since I was 5 :) (But nooo, my parents never saw transgender coming...)
Quote from: Butterflyhugs on October 22, 2011, 02:17:24 AM
I think "conservative" is a misunderstanding of his philosophy. In a "full reconstruction" like I had, rather than wiping the slate clean and starting anew, he likes to focus on the features you already have and put a feminine spin on your natural facial structure. The aim basically is to turn you into what your sister might look like, instead of a completely different person that happens to look female.
And The Last Unicorn has been my favorite movie since I was 5 :) (But nooo, my parents never saw transgender coming...)
To be honest i hadn't even considered Dr. Spiegel for FFS. My top choices in the US were Dr. O and Dr. Z and outside the US Dr. DiMaggio, but after viewing his website and seeing the before and after pic's there and from here i'm strongly considering him as my surgeon. If i end up looking like my sister then i'm totally fine with that cuz she is really pretty. :D
Thanks for sharing your before & after pics kristy! - xoxo
Quote from: Rukia87xo on October 22, 2011, 05:26:25 PM
To be honest i hadn't even considered Dr. Spiegel for FFS. My top choices in the US were Dr. O and Dr. Z and outside the US Dr. DiMaggio, but after viewing his website and seeing the before and after pic's there and from here i'm strongly considering him as my surgeon. If i end up looking like my sister then i'm totally fine with that cuz she is really pretty. :D
Thanks for sharing your before & after pics kristy! - xoxo
If Dr. Z and Dr. O combined their talents...they would be Dr. Oz...
I saw your pics and girl, you probably look like your sister.
Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on October 22, 2011, 05:30:48 PM
I saw your pics and girl, you probably look like your sister.
Actually yeah we already do look alot alike lol. People say we both look like our mom so i can't imagine the reaction people will have after i get FFS & i'm not sure how my sis is gonna feel about me being her double. xD
Quote from: Rukia87xo on October 22, 2011, 09:05:52 PM
Actually yeah we already do look alot alike lol. People say we both look like our mom so i can't imagine the reaction people will have after i get FFS & i'm not sure how my sis is gonna feel about me being her double. xD
There can only be one. J/k
Post more pics please...or add me on fb.
Quote from: Butterflyhugs on October 22, 2011, 02:17:24 AM
I think "conservative" is a misunderstanding of his philosophy. In a "full reconstruction" like I had, rather than wiping the slate clean and starting anew, he likes to focus on the features you already have and put a feminine spin on your natural facial structure. The aim basically is to turn you into what your sister might look like, instead of a completely different person that happens to look female.
And The Last Unicorn has been my favorite movie since I was 5 :) (But nooo, my parents never saw transgender coming...)
~Thanks Kristy, for showing us your pics (and for elaborating on Dr. Spiegel's style)! :) You look really fantastic.
And speaking about parents, mine surprisingly never saw it coming either. They did, however, go through a two-year 'phase' where they would ask me if I was gay... O.o Like, a lot. :laugh:
Quote from: Rukia87xo on October 22, 2011, 05:26:25 PM
If i end up looking like my sister then i'm totally fine with that cuz she is really pretty. :D
~Aw, you're so Lucky having a sister; I just have brothers. :P :'(
Quote from: Rukia87xo on October 22, 2011, 09:05:52 PM
Actually yeah we already do look alot alike lol. People say we both look like our mom so i can't imagine the reaction people will have after i get FFS & i'm not sure how my sis is gonna feel about me being her double. xD
^Tell her you wanted Chappy the Rabbit and you won't settle for anything else.
Quote from: Butterflyhugs on October 19, 2011, 05:58:16 AM
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi53.tinypic.com%2F2nqe446.png&hash=792ff7b413f40610a4c1f3ceb9e6331993b3e4c6)
Hey nice change, did you have a shadow around your mouth before FFS which stuck out based on lighting and did the cheek augmentation diminish it?
What kind of shadow are you talking about?
Facial hair? I had laser done...
Quote from: Butterflyhugs on October 25, 2011, 01:56:04 AM
What kind of shadow are you talking about?
Facial hair? I had laser done...
Not facial hair, from the pic it looks like you had a masculine upper jaw which made your cheeks look sunken in when not smiling. I was just wondering if you noticed this in your everyday life - especially when going "en femme" pre-surgery, and did the cheek implants manage to hide it (as in push your cheeks out to balance better with upper jaw).
Quote from: 8888 on October 25, 2011, 01:28:28 PM
Not facial hair, from the pic it looks like you had a masculine upper jaw which made your cheeks look sunken in when not smiling. I was just wondering if you noticed this in your everyday life - especially when going "en femme" pre-surgery, and did the cheek implants manage to hide it (as in push your cheeks out to balance better with upper jaw).
As far as I know the jaw was reshaped in conjunction with the addition of cheek implants, so I'm sure the interaction of the two produced whatever changes are visible.
I love how in the before and after you're wearing the same t-shirt and necklace. I'll be able to post a before and after in several months.
Yea lol, what prompted that particular double photo was I came across the T-shirt in my wardrobe after not seeing it for years.
"Hey I remember the last time I wore this!"
Quote from: Butterflyhugs on October 25, 2011, 01:36:33 PM
As far as I know the jaw was reshaped in conjunction with the addition of cheek implants, so I'm sure the interaction of the two produced whatever changes are visible.
Kristy, are you satisfied with the cheek implants, were they a worthwhile addition? :) I mean, from your 'before' photo you seem to have had really feminine 'chipmunk cheeks' already; so do you still think the implants make a positive difference or that you even needed them in the first place? I ask because my face is the same as yours was previously, as far as cheeks (and jaw) are concerned; and I have noticed that FFS surgeons seem to recommend cheek implants.... errr, rather frequently.
I definitely think they were worth it. I mean, if you look at women who were considered incredibly beautiful at some point in their lives (i.e. Sharon Stone), they don't necessarily have "chipmunk cheeks," but instead prominent cheek bones (which are slightly higher up). If you don't have that initially (and I'm jealous of the transwomen who do!), the only way to achieve that look is with some kind of implant/filler.
Do I think they're required to pass with ease (which is supposed to be the goal of FFS)? No not really. Do I think they help to add that "little something extra" that makes for an exceptionally good looking woman? It's likely they at least play a part.
Thanks Kristy, I really appreciate your perspective. :)
Anytime :angel:
Quote from: Butterflyhugs on October 26, 2011, 03:04:03 AM
If you don't have that initially (and I'm jealous of the transwomen who do!), the only way to achieve that look is with some kind of implant/filler.
I have great cheek bones....be jealous :D
/me fondles rukia's cheekbones.
Quote from: Rukia87xo on October 27, 2011, 12:49:14 PM
I have great cheek bones....be jealous :D
You have great everything.
Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on October 27, 2011, 01:46:47 PM
You have great everything.
Thanks girl! <3 I like your new pic, you look pretty. :-*
& why is Bird fondling my cheek's? :eusa_eh:
Quote from: Rukia87xo on October 27, 2011, 07:28:35 PM
Thanks girl! <3 I like your new pic, you look pretty. :-*
& why is Bird fondling my cheek's? :eusa_eh:
Rukia...Please post more pics. I want to cover you in comments!
Before: ]http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/xn--Newtype/blurry.jpg] (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/xn--Newtype/blurry.jpg)
After: ??? wait i don't have an after photo....yet ;)
I'm going to slap you, sis.
You don't need FFS!
You need a reality check.
You're flawless.
[gave it to ya ;D]
Quote from: Rukia87xo on October 28, 2011, 12:21:34 AM
Before: ]http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/xn--Newtype/blurry.jpg] (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/xn--Newtype/blurry.jpg)
After: ??? wait i don't have an after photo....yet ;)
Flawless.
Quote from: JoeyD on October 28, 2011, 12:23:30 AM
I'm going to slap you, sis.
You don't need FFS!
You need a reality check.
You're flawless.
[gave it to ya ;D]
Slap her silly!
Quote from: JoeyD on October 28, 2011, 12:23:30 AM
I'm going to slap you, sis.
You don't need FFS!
You need a reality check.
You're flawless.
[gave it to ya ;D]
Thanks lil sis <3 But i'm just getting minor work like you (forehead, nose, and trach shave) so don't worry.
*snaps your bra strap* Ha! :D
Quote from: Rukia87xo on October 28, 2011, 12:34:47 AM
Thanks lil sis <3 But i'm just getting minor work like you (forehead, nose, and trach shave) so don't worry. :D
*snaps your bra strap* Ha! :D
See Joey...Minor surgery. That's all.
Quote from: Rukia87xo on October 28, 2011, 12:34:47 AM
Thanks lil sis <3 But i'm just getting minor work like you (forehead, nose, and trach shave) so don't worry. :D
*snaps your bra strap* Ha! :D
Hahah i took mine off already.
toooo hot.
screw texas, i swear.
Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on October 28, 2011, 12:42:21 AM
See Joey...Minor surgery. That's all.
...I'm getting a breast aug now, it's been decided as of 12:41AM on October 28th, 2011
Everyone in Cali is doing it
so can i.
minor surgery ;D
Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on October 28, 2011, 12:42:21 AM
See Joey...Minor surgery. That's all.
:icon_yes:
Quote from: JoeyD on October 28, 2011, 12:44:45 AM
I'm getting a breast aug now, it's been decided as of 12:41AM on October 27th, 2011
Everyone in Cali is doing it
so can i.
minor surgery ;D
Oh me too, but that's it i swear! :eusa_whistle:
Who doesn't want big bazongas.
You can never go wrong, seriously.
::)
unless you're like... *tries to think of that one famous blonde headed white girl who went too big on her boob job but realized all of them went too big*
Quote from: JoeyD on October 28, 2011, 12:54:34 AM
Who doesn't want big bazongas.
You can never go wrong, seriously.
::)
unless you're like... *tries to think of that one famous blonde headed white girl who went too big on her boob job but realized all of them went too big*
Not me! 32A and proud.
Quote from: JoeyD on October 28, 2011, 12:23:30 AM
I'm going to slap you, sis.
You don't need FFS!
You need a reality check.
You're flawless.
[gave it to ya ;D]
Can I slap her as well...? :P I mean, this is my first time seeing Rukia's pic... :icon_blink: But flawless is a ~very~ good word to describe her.
Quote from: Rukia87xo on October 28, 2011, 12:34:47 AM
Thanks lil sis <3 But i'm just getting minor work like you (forehead, nose, and trach shave) so don't worry.
*snaps your bra strap* Ha! :D
~Umm, your nose actually looks really, really good.... :eusa_think: What is wrong with it?
Quote from: JoeyD on October 28, 2011, 12:54:34 AM
Who doesn't want big bazongas.
You can never go wrong, seriously.
::)
unless you're like... *tries to think of that one famous blonde headed white girl who went too big on her boob job but realized all of them went too big*
Me, I've seen what 34DDD can do to someone. Personally I'll be happy to fill a full B, band doesn't matter but 32 or 34 would be excellent; down from 36. Welp, back to rib crushing.
Quote from: Akashiya Moka on October 28, 2011, 02:18:58 AM
~Umm, your nose actually looks really, really good.... :eusa_think: What is wrong with it?
from a side view it looks big & i HATE it! :icon_anger:
^I'm pretty sure Joey and I would still trade noses with you in a heartbeat, so don't feel too bad. :P
Wow... Rukia, your "before" nose is probably the same size as my "after" nose. :P Mine used to be huuuuuuuuge. I can understand wanting to fix the slope though if it looks bad from the side.
Quote from: AmySmiles on October 29, 2011, 11:36:34 AM
I can understand wanting to fix the slope though if it looks bad from the side.
Ty, alot of people don't understand how i could want FFS when they see me especially from a frontal view. My nose has issues from a side view & also i have a slight brow bump (orbital rims?) look from a side view. I wear my hair long to mask that but there isn't much i can do about my nose. ::)
The difference forehead contouring can make... :o
You look fantastic!
Meghan. Wow! You're such an inspiration. I love it!
Quote from: JoeyD on October 29, 2011, 05:49:27 PM
The difference forehead contouring can make... :o
:icon_yes:
Quote from: JenJen2011 on October 29, 2011, 06:59:04 PM
Meghan. Wow! You're such an inspiration. I love it!
I agree! :angel: ~But the very best thing about Megan is her personality—she just has such an incredibly positive and kind Spirit! *YouTube Fan*
Thanks for sharing your before & after pics Meghan! Now we have two really good examples of what FFS can do! :D
QuoteThis girl had ffs:
If you look at her videos, you'll see she was far more beautiful before FFS. I thought it was really sad, because she was gorgeous before. There are lots of beautiful actresses and models who have strong features and bone structure that "feminizing" wouldn't be an improvement on their beauty, and certainly no one would ever consider them masculine or think they are not women.
I have seen many women who look much better after FFS, but she is not one of them -- this is my opinion only, but I think it is obvious. This particular photo is a very flattering one, as I have seen her recent photos, so much that I didn't recognize her.
I'm not trying to be nasty, but I think it is important to note this for all those considering FFS. I see many girls who think they need FFS and they really don't, and I see others who want it, and I think it would really help.
Here is her very latest video (she also looks anorexic now):
Questions & Answers with a >-bleeped-< #4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjgVCaFDUYY&feature=channel_video_title#)
And here is her before FFS:
Night Out Clubbing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a2b8YG8EvM&feature=relmfu#)
What do you all think?
Quote from: sonopoly on October 30, 2011, 06:17:28 AM
If you look at her videos, you'll see she was far more beautiful before FFS. I thought it was really sad, because she was gorgeous before. There are lots of beautiful actresses and models who have strong features and bone structure that feminizing isn't an improvement on their beauty, and certainly no one would ever consider them masculine or think they are not women.
Dr. Zukowski did her FFS, I believe... ~When I first saw her videos after the operation, I was completely in shock at how radically altered her jaw was; I couldn't believe he (Dr. Zukowski) had gone that far, to put it politely. :icon_chick: It would also seem to be readily apparent that her present nose does not quite best suit her face, either.
I had anorexia myself, and I would think I was fat, when in fact, I was deathly thin. I've seen that a lot of MTF's think they look male, when they don't at all. The plastic surgery addicts are the same -- they don't see themselves as they really are. I think this woman's case is a bit tragic, because she really had a gorgeousness, that can never be regained. I know beauty is not the most important thing, but it is a gift and a wonderful one if you don't abuse it.
Quote from: sonopoly on October 30, 2011, 06:38:48 AM
I had anorexia myself, and I would think I was fat, when in fact, I was deathly thin. I've seen that a lot of MTF's think they look male, when they don't at all. The plastic surgery addicts are the same -- they don't see themselves as they really are. I think this woman's case is a bit tragic, because she really had a gorgeousness, that can never be regained. I know beauty is not the most important thing, but it is a gift and a wonderful one if you don't abuse it.
The fact that you used the past tense to refer to your experience with anorexia makes me feel really happy for you. :) *Hugs Tightly*
Honestly, when I first became aware of FFS, my thoughts were that I wanted a completely new face... I didn't want to be able to recognize myself in the mirror. I didn't want to wake up and see a feminized version of my face, I wanted the old 'me' destroyed and gone for good; I never wanted to see 'him' again. Without going into too many details, it really was an extremely unhealthy and irrational way of thinking, and I'm glad I've mastered those most dangerous elements of my dysphoria (which were at the level of a psychosis). I still want, and feel I need FFS to be content with my appearance (as far as the face goes), but I'm going to go into it with a perfectly reasonable and sane attitude. ~And I'm only going under the knife once (facial-wise); unless a serious revision needs to be done. :P
Thank you, Akashiya -- funny, I am actually Japanese (American), my first name is really Sono, and I have a Japanese last name.
I am pretty much recovered, though, I still couldn't deal with being fat. I am healthy, and at a healthy weight, albeit 40 pounds more than my lowest weight. I am considered thin where I live - I moved from California to go to college. When I go back there, I'm the "fat" one, but it doesn't bother me at all now. I just laugh it off.
My thinking is that a MTF or FTM would still want to be somewhat recognizable, but in the other gender, though I know it's a very complex, psychological issue. I do think many MTFs want FFS that is unnecessary. I'm not sure if it is because they can't see how feminine they actually look or if they just want to be prettier, which is fine, but then it is not really FFS, but plain old plastic surgery to look better. Unfortunately, it doesn't always work out as one hopes. I guess I don't understand how this girl could have thought she could have improved on her looks. She was more beautiful than most actresses I see today.
Quote from: sonopoly on October 30, 2011, 07:16:20 AM
Thank you, Akashiya -- funny, I am actually Japanese (American), my first name is really Sono, and I have a Japanese last name.
Ooh, now I'm jealous.... :D Like all geeks I ~Love~ sushi and all things Japanese! My first name is Isabelle, btw.
Quote from: sonopoly on October 30, 2011, 07:16:20 AMI am considered thin where I live - I moved from California to go to college. When I go back there, I'm the "fat" one, but it doesn't bother me at all now. I just laugh it off.
;D That is awesome. +1 Sis!
Thank you for the +1 Akashiya! You get one too. It's weird because I was the only Asian person in my class for the longest time and I just wished I were Caucasian and wondered why I was singled out. I was teased often and treated like a second-class citizen. This was in the 70s though. Now, my nieces and nephews are so proud of being Japanese, and embrace it and are extremely proud of being Japanese.
Yes, she did have her surgery with Dr. Z. and I'm very concerned, because if you look at this woman as an FFS surgeon, I would think, ethically, that you would turn her away and say you don't need anything. I'm not sure if I'm going to get reprimanded for my postings on this subject, but I felt so strongly about it after seeing that super-flattering picture of her promoting FFS, that I felt absolutely compelled and obligated to show you all the full story. I mean, you see that original picture promoting FFS (which is super-flattering) and then you see what she actually looks like now and what she looked like before. The first promotes FFS, but my posts totally denounce it, in this particular case. I was sick over her surgery, and don't want this to happen to anyone else. She is an unusual case, because she was just so drop-dead gorgeous before. The other problem, besides being less attractive, is that she LOOKS like she had plastic surgery. Her face looks totally unnatural.
Butterflyhugs, on the other hand, had amazing results!
Quote from: sonopoly on October 30, 2011, 07:39:03 AM
Thank you for the +1 Akashiya! You get one too. It's weird because I was the only Asian person in my class for the longest time and I just wished I were Caucasian and wondered why I was singled out. I was teased often and treated like a second-class citizen. This was in the 70s though. Now, my nieces and nephews are so proud of being Japanese, and embrace it and are extremely proud of being Japanese.
Thank you Sono! ~And I'm so glad this country's culture has changed for the better in that regard; no one should ever be made to feel like they are less than another! Hopefully the human species will one day collectively advance so that all differences of culture, race, gender, etc., are universally respected & embraced. We can dream, right? :)
Quote from: sonopoly on October 30, 2011, 07:46:55 AM
I'm not sure if I'm going to get reprimanded for my postings on this subject, but I felt so strongly about it after seeing that super-flattering picture of her promoting FFS, that I felt absolutely compelled and obligated to show you all the full story. I mean, you see that original picture promoting FFS (which is super-flattering) and then you see what she actually looks like now and what she looked like before. The first promotes FFS, but my posts totally denounce it, in this particular case. I was sick over her surgery, and don't want this to happen to anyone else. She is an unusual case, because she was just so drop-dead gorgeous before. The other problem, besides being less attractive, is that she LOOKS like she had plastic surgery. Her face looks totally unnatural.
~I don't think you would get reprimanded for speaking your opinion. :) Besides, you (unfortunately) have a very good point.
Everyone should be especially careful about who they choose as a surgeon, and how many procedures they decide to undergo (if any).
I think it will continually get better, especially when you see how it's changed for different races and alternative sexualities (especially for the asians and blacks and gays). I see an obviously transwoman on the train, and I see some people glancing at her, but nothing noticeable. People seem to be very respectful of her and some very sympathetic, as in not pitying, but very understanding. I think the dream can be realized, though I think we went backwards after the sexual revolution in the 60s and 70s and the whole Reagan-Bush-Bush years. Surprisingly, we didn't go as backwards as I thought we could have.
Quote from: sonopoly on October 30, 2011, 06:25:38 AM
Here is her very latest video (she also looks anorexic now):
Questions & Answers with a >-bleeped-< #4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjgVCaFDUYY&feature=channel_video_title#)
And here is her before FFS:
Night Out Clubbing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a2b8YG8EvM&feature=relmfu#)
What do you all think?
Are you kidding me? First off, I don't think the videos you posted are good for fair comparison. In the after FFS video, she has no makeup on whatsoever. In the before video, she's all dolled up ready to go out. Makeup can change a face dramatically.
Even so, I can can clearly tell she is trans in the before video. You may not see it but I do. Now, she looks totally female with or without makeup. And she is STILL gorgeous. Her beauty hasn't gone anywhere.
QuoteI guess I don't understand how this girl could have thought she could have improved on her looks. She was more beautiful than most actresses I see today.
You don't need to understand. You're not her. It was her decision. And she's quite happy with it. She now lives a normal, happy life because FFS has not only made her more beautiful, but also completely passable.
Well, I do think it's obvious that she was more beautiful before than after, but that is my opinion, and beauty, is of course, very subjective. In my opinion, if you look at her before and after videos with make up, she looked gorgeous before. I am hoping to get opinions on what other people think. If she is happy, than of course that's the most important thing, and it was worth it for her. I just want to show people here an actual before an after, and because I think she looked so much better before, I just want people to really think about their decisions.
There was a thread something about "are Transpeople prejudiced against Homosexuals" or vice-versa, and many said that yes, there are trans folks prejudiced against transfolk even. I think that you think she looked masculine before her FFS is a good example of this. I don't think she looked trans at all in her before videos. I don't think anyone would have questioned her gender if they didn't know she wasn't born female. I show my trans-skeptic friends people pictures of trans people and if a person looks female they say she looks male and vice versa, then I trick them and show them the opposite and they make mistakes.
Does anyone think this girl looks trans in her before videos, please be honest. If you saw her in a club, would you think her face is male at all?!?!?!
So, look at her before video, and as Jen says she looked trans and basically needed the FFS, do you think this is true? I think it's ridiculous. 95% of cisgendered woman would have felt blessed to look like her.
Quote from: sonopoly on October 30, 2011, 08:51:20 AM
There was a thread something about "are Transpeople prejudiced against Homosexuals" or vice-versa, and many said that yes, there are trans folks prejudiced against transfolk even. I think that you think she looked masculine before her FFS is a good example of this. I don't think she looked trans at all in her before videos. I don't think anyone would have questioned her gender if they didn't know she wasn't born female. I show my trans-skeptic friends people pictures of trans people and if a person looks female they say she looks male and vice versa, then I trick them and show them the opposite and they make mistakes.
Does anyone think this girl looks trans in her before videos, please be honest. If you saw her in a club, would you think her face is male at all?!?!?!
So, look at her before video, and as Jen says she looked trans and basically needed the FFS, do you think this is true? I think it's ridiculous. 95% of cisgendered woman would have felt blessed to look like her.
I think she had quite a feminine face to begin with but if I were to suddenly meet her in the street I would know she's trans. The masculine features were there. Even she saw it herself or else why would she get ffs?
Like I've said before, makeup can work wonders. I wouldn't be surprised if many people couldn't tell she was trans in a club. It's dark, people are drinking, and she has makeup on that helps enhance her already feminine features. I suggest people go to her channel and look at several other videos and not just go based on what sonopoly posted.
Also, I never tell anyone they NEED ffs. It's up to them if they want it or not. And this girl obviously felt she needed it. And I think she turned out lovely and completely passable. That's all I'm saying.
We can just agree to disagree on this one.....NEXT! :)
Quote from: sonopoly on October 30, 2011, 08:38:49 AM
Well, I do think it's obvious that she was more beautiful before than after, but that is my opinion, and beauty, is of course, very subjective. In my opinion, if you look at her before and after videos with make up, she looked gorgeous before. I am hoping to get opinions on what other people think. If she is happy, than of course that's the most important thing, and it was worth it for her. I just want to show people here an actual before an after, and because I think she looked so much better before, I just want people to really think about their decisions.
I think it would be more interesting to know if she would still express the same feelings as she did in this video:
Post-Op Day 20 Update (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4SAKY2Dgcw#)
Quote from: sonopoly on October 30, 2011, 08:51:20 AM
Does anyone think this girl looks trans in her before videos, please be honest. If you saw her in a club, would you think her face is male at all?!?!?!
So, look at her before video, and as Jen says she looked trans and basically needed the FFS, do you think this is true? I think it's ridiculous. 95% of cisgendered woman would have felt blessed to look like her.
I would have to say, in all honesty... Yes.
Whether for better or worse, it tends to be the case that we are extremely conscious and hyper-aware of every little physical sex difference and/or imperfection. Normally though, we only turn this highly critical and observant vision upon ourselves... ~It would be extremely rude to be as mean and unforgiving to others as many of us are to ourselves.
I think because you are hyperaware of trans-ness, you would probably think many non-trans women are trans as well. She was not super-feminine looking, but I do think that most people would not question her femininity.
Look at one of the most beautiful women in history:
http://s11.allstarpics.net/images/orig/0/8/08dtcjwqj9ig0gdj.jpg (http://s11.allstarpics.net/images/orig/0/8/08dtcjwqj9ig0gdj.jpg)
And I did mention in my first post here that many of the most beautiful actresses and models have masculine facial structure and bone structure, but would not be more beautiful if "femininized". I see many cis-gendered women every day who look more masculine that the girl in the video did in her before pictures.
Quote from: Akashiya Moka on October 30, 2011, 09:21:52 AMI think it would be interesting to know if she would still express the same feelings as she did in this video:
No, she doesn't feel the same way anymore. She said she would probably do it all over again if she had to. It was the initial shock of not being able to recognize herself that had her really depressed.
She does seem happy, and I'm happy for that, and that is really the most important thing -- how one feels in one's skin. I think it was more important for her to be assured that she was seen as a female more than being beautiful.
Quote from: sonopoly on October 30, 2011, 09:24:26 AM
I think because you are hyperaware of trans-ness, you would probably think many non-trans women are trans as well.
She was not super-feminine looking, but I do think that most people would not question her femininity.
I don't think I would; but it would be interesting to see how accurate our perceptions really are. :)
Also, even if she was the only one on earth who questioned her femininity (or passability), surgical intervention would still be ethically warranted.
As you have said, the most important thing is whether or not she is happy with herself; and for the purposes of this discussion—whether or not she would have done anything differently.
Quote from: sonopoly on October 30, 2011, 09:24:26 AMLook at one of the most beautiful women in history:
http://s11.allstarpics.net/images/orig/0/8/08dtcjwqj9ig0gdj.jpg (http://s11.allstarpics.net/images/orig/0/8/08dtcjwqj9ig0gdj.jpg)
I don't care for her eyebrows personally, but she is an attractive woman. :P
Quote from: JenJen2011 on October 30, 2011, 09:26:04 AM
No, she doesn't feel the same way anymore. She said she would probably do it all over again if she had to. It was the initial shock of not being able to recognize herself that had her really depressed.
~That is good to know. :) Thanks Jen.
Ugh....guys please stop arguing over weather or not this girl should've had FFS. She is happy with her results and that's the point of having surgery......leave it alone. :icon_neutral:
Quote from: Rukia87xo on October 30, 2011, 04:41:57 PM
Ugh....guys please stop arguing over weather or not this girl should've had FFS. She is happy with her results and that's the point of having surgery......leave it alone. :icon_neutral:
Who's arguing? It was settled about 7 hours ago. Lol.
Quote from: JenJen2011 on October 30, 2011, 04:47:53 PM
Who's arguing? It was settled about 7 hours ago. Lol.
Yeah 2 pages of arguing was unnecessary . I don't want this thread mucked up like in some of the other sections. ::)
Keep it on topic people! :)
Quote from: JenJen2011 on October 30, 2011, 08:19:18 AM
Are you kidding me? First off, I don't think the videos you posted are good for fair comparison. In the after FFS video, she has no makeup on whatsoever. In the before video, she's all dolled up ready to go out. Makeup can change a face dramatically.
Even so, I can can clearly tell she is trans in the before video. You may not see it but I do. Now, she looks totally female with or without makeup. And she is STILL gorgeous. Her beauty hasn't gone anywhere.
+1
I think ffs is more important than srs. People don't care what's in your pants the first time they meet someone. We interact with the face...Not with the privates.
That could be make for an interesting poll.
You can have one "perfect" surgery, but not the other. With full maleness being a part of the other.
Would you take perfect FFS, but no SRS? Or.
Perfect SRS, but a brow so male even DR. O couldn't help you?
Quote from: Michelle. on October 30, 2011, 07:57:46 PM
That could be make for an interesting poll.
You can have one "perfect" surgery, but not the other. With full maleness being a part of the other.
Would you take perfect FFS, but no SRS? Or.
Perfect SRS, but a brow so male even DR. O couldn't help you?
'
Most people here would pick SRS.
Too vain to give up that 'perfect FFS' deal...
Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on October 30, 2011, 08:00:30 PM
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Most people here would pick SRS.
I'd definitely go with perfect ffs.
The way I phrased it, I too would go with FFS.
Perfect FFS still leaves me with at least, hum, one "receptive" sex organ. Hehe.
I don't perceive someone by whats in their pants, but on their faces...even if it's subconscious.
It is more important to appear feminine than to have the surgery overall. Women are more than the sum of their parts... I meet a girl and the last thing I think about, "wow, she must have a nice vagina"
I'd rather spend my money on something people can see. Namely my lips and nose than something down where the sun don't shine.
Ok so wait, if I don't get FFS then I become uglier or stay the same?
Quote from: ~RoadToTrista~ on October 30, 2011, 08:15:14 PM
Ok so wait, if I don't get FFS then I become uglier or stay the same?
FFS would work in the long run as HRT effects vary.
If you were only allowed to have FFS or SRS in your lifetime, I myself would stick with FFS. So much of a woman's perceived worth/power is tied to her looks :(
I'd have to deal with dysphoria either way, but I would definitely go with 'perfect FFS' for the reasons Joey and Kristy mentioned.
It would drive me a lot crazier being condemned to always see a 'boy' in the mirror; not to mention having people read me as 'male' or androgynous for the rest of my life.
Quote from: Rukia87xo on October 28, 2011, 12:21:34 AM
Before: ]http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/xn--Newtype/blurry.jpg] (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/xn--Newtype/blurry.jpg)
After: ??? wait i don't have an after photo....yet ;)
OMG do you know what? you look just like my cousin and yes she is a she :D.
Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on October 30, 2011, 08:21:39 PM
FFS would work in the long run as HRT effects vary.
I'm content enough with my face now and I'm not on HRT. If I was fricken hideous I would choose FFS.
Quote from: Carolina1983 on October 31, 2011, 02:33:23 PM
OMG do you know what? you look just like my cousin and yes she is a she :D.
Gee thanks? :D
Quote from: ~RoadToTrista~ on October 30, 2011, 08:15:14 PM
Ok so wait, if I don't get FFS then I become uglier or stay the same?
Lol idk i've never seen any of your pic's so i can't say if you need it or not.
Ok srry I was refering to Michelle's poll lolz
Quote from: ~RoadToTrista~ on October 31, 2011, 05:04:55 PM
Ok srry I was refering to Michelle's poll lolz
Oh i'm sorry, i thought you were asking a general question regarding FFS. :laugh:
I generally think any Transperson who would choose genitalia over looks either A. Already looks enough like their desired sex that they don't know how the facial situation feels, B. Are in denial about how much they do/don't pass, or C. Downright have a obsession with genitalia only, and do not want to embody a woman anywhere else. ("Man-she, she-male" - these types of people do exist too, nothing wrong with that.) Quite frankly, vaginas are made for sexual entercourse where the male penetrates the vaginal area, and vaginas are used to pee. Faces are used for so much more; socializing, showing emotions, envoking empathy and love, attracting a mate, self-perception, ect ect. Those are the things that a person uses in life way, way before their first sexual encounter, and are the things that propel someone's life socially, financially, and emotionally even if sex has to be put on hold for some years. A vagina also isn't the only way to have sex, though I understand entirely that many out there feel that it's the only way that would feel right for them.
The world, including your lovers, family, and friends, judge you and see you by what is on your face and, to a lesser extent, what is on your body. I know a girl who literally had no boobs (and I know many actresses who don't either) but are judged as girls because they have beautiful faces; even breasts are less important in the long run. (Another thing is that if you truly look like a haggard man in the face, any boobs you get will be considered "man-boobs" unless they are like, D cups, which doesn't really happen on hormones.) To me, FFS is needed in a lot of cases, because there truly are male traits out there that by no historical record occur on females; there also are male faces that just have too many combinations of male traits to ever pass as female realistically. Surgery may be an extensive and expensive thing, and it doesn't work for everyone (and of coarse, everyone should be accepting of those who do not pass well, anyway), but all that is why I am adamant toward the fact that Transpeople should be put on hormones very early in life, it erases the whole problem.
Even in the Trans world, I think there's a lot of judgement toward non-passing Trans; I think when people see a very masculine MTF who's obviously trying to be very female, people with our education think "Gee, if only that person grew up in a better decade, they'd look so much more female right now..." Non-passing Transpeople (like myself) embody the discrimination, confusion, and discrimination that they grew up in. In general, some seem to think it's the sign of being society's slave, if you didn't have the chance to transition as an early adult or teenager. It's so freakin common in this age to transition before the age of 21 that it's not even funny. Either that, or some seem to think that non-passing Trans are "dumb", as some of them lived in denial for so very long until their 40's. Not being able to identify with a desired gender has so many negatives no matter what type of people we turn to for acceptance, but the facts are that what we have in our pants is anyone's guess until we tell them.
^Really though, at the end of the day, being Trans isn't about choosing one or the other, because I think the real definition of a Transsexual is someone who, in the end, chooses both. Transgender is probably more about appearing female without caring about genitalia, while Crossdress is probably someone who cares only about clothing items and less about things found on the body or face. It's a different obsession for everyone and I think everyone just wants to be a part of whatever definition gives them the most benefits at the therapist's office :P.
Perfect FFS, easily. I don't plan on SRS.
Cadence i agree on the FFS thing. i will be juming into that boat in april myself. i have almost lost my 60 lbs from my profile pic.
Ffs and then srs
Obviously when i wake up i see my face in the mirror not my genitalia, altough they cause discomfort now and then
I kinda agree with RhinoP, it seems that people who obviosly don't pass facially but opt for just SRS are doing it for their sexual gratification. I've seen quite a few videos on Youtube where the person will spend their savings on SRS with no intention of getting FFS, even if it's their face which really needs the work. It baffles my mind since what's in your pants should have no relation to your general interaction with people or self-esteem, it's place is solely confined to the bedroom and reproduction, since MTFs do not give birth to children it almost becomes a perversion. If you believe your gender is internal and you shouldn't have to prove it anyway other than through general parlance your argument invalidates the point or HRT, BA and electrolysis as well as FFS/SRS.
Quote from: 8888 on November 18, 2011, 12:20:31 PM
I kinda agree with RhinoP, it seems that people who obviosly don't pass facially but opt for just SRS are doing it for their sexual gratification. I've seen quite a few videos on Youtube where the person will spend their savings on SRS with no intention of getting FFS, even if it's their face which really needs the work. It baffles my mind since what's in your pants should have no relation to your general interaction with people or self-esteem, it's place is solely confined to the bedroom and reproduction, since MTFs do not give birth to children it almost becomes a perversion. If you believe your gender is internal and you shouldn't have to prove it anyway other than through general parlance your argument invalidates the point or HRT, BA and electrolysis as well as FFS/SRS.
No one cares what is in the persons pants if they look awkward. But for some people, the dsyphoria is really bad in their pants. But I think the appearance we see is so much more important than the one we don't.
Quote from: Elle Le Interdit on November 18, 2011, 01:33:14 PM
No one cares what is in the persons pants if they look awkward. But for some people, the dsyphoria is really bad in their pants. But I think the appearance we see is so much more important than the one we don't.
The person who cares is the most important one of all, it is the person who feels they need the surgery for "themselves". If you need the surgery, you need it, no matter what anyone else thinks.
Quote from: Mahsa Tezani on October 20, 2011, 06:15:39 PM
I make about 10k a year... about 3k which I actually see. 32k is unfathomable.
damn in australia youd get double that on welfare alone
I personally believe FFS is overrated. *is shot by angry transgirls*
Many transwomen can get great results on HRT alone. A decent sized chunk of them would definitely benefit from FFS, but there's a major push to have it and remove ANYTHING that could be considered masculine in any situation at all ever from the face. The end result can look almost too feminine and a bit off-putting.
In my experience, it seems that the ones who don't need FFS are the ones obsessed with getting it and the ones who should get some are the ones who want to keep their face how it is :D
It's a little overrated, however one can't deny the powerful therapeutic effect that it has on a person's mind; feeling better about oneself by removing masculinities and looking different is quite profound. Without FFS, you may still see the old, male you... and that's a scary, haunting thing to experience.
FFS is a lower priority for me, but I don't see why people say I shouldn't get it. Most people my age look a lot prettier than I do...
I really can't see much in your face that FFS would 'correct'. You have a really nice nose, plump (if definitely very large) lips, thin eyebrows, and beautiful eyes. I know it's definitely got a therapeutic effect, but I honestly can't figure out which part of your face you would personally get it on!
I understand the desire for FFS. Heck, if I had the money, I would get it myself as there are a number of facial features that I am very uncomfortable with.
Quote from: Stealthy on April 09, 2012, 08:14:26 AM
I really can't see much in your face that FFS would 'correct'. You have a really nice nose, plump (if definitely very large) lips, thin eyebrows, and beautiful eyes. I know it's definitely got a therapeutic effect, but I honestly can't figure out which part of your face you would personally get it on!
I was thinking nose, and forehead+brow ridge/orbital rims, possibly a little hairline advancement. Possibly jaw work... however, I don't have a problem with my jaw, and gaining weight would fix its apparency anyway.
:)
I can see from looking closer at the picture why you'd get the brow ridge and hairline ones-from an 'I'm definitely getting FFS so just tell me the type to get' perspective, they're the parts that'd need work. You could also do with a trachea shave. Can't really see the nose and jawline as needing work, though.
Hm. Interesting; the nose was the only procedure my mom thought was holding me back, aside from the trachea.
I will say that I'm sort of ambiguous about the trachea, as some women have it, I'm too short for anyone to see it, and I find apples sexy on girls... but yeah, it sort of goes without saying that it has to be done.
You do have a long nose, but I currently still go to an all-girl's school and it looks a lot like the noses on a lot of the girls. It's the end part of the nose that has the biggest effect, and the end of your nose is straight/upturned, which is a feminine trait.
Quote from: Kelly J. P. on April 09, 2012, 08:07:50 AM
It's a little overrated, however one can't deny the powerful therapeutic effect that it has on a person's mind; feeling better about oneself by removing masculinities and looking different is quite profound. Without FFS, you may still see the old, male you... and that's a scary, haunting thing to experience.
FFS is a lower priority for me, but I don't see why people say I shouldn't get it. Most people my age look a lot prettier than I do...
Soft tissue surgery by an excellent surgeon is expensive and painful. I could understand why some would not want this pain and expense and I could understand why some would feel it would make their life easier.
Older people look younger with FFS because we have a lot of extra skin. Friends have told me I look eight to ten years younger.
Also I prefer to have softer facial features. It makes passing male more of a challenge and passing female less of a challenge.
It has taken me six months to prefer my new face. I actually kept looking for my chin each morning and my face was so swollen that I thought my jaw was too wide. FFS is not a magic cure but just an option.
Changing a feature of your face is also an option.
Private parts are also to your choosing. I can understand any combination. I would want my private parts to go alone with my gender expression.
Quote from: Stealthy on April 09, 2012, 09:55:12 AM
You do have a long nose, but I currently still go to an all-girl's school and it looks a lot like the noses on a lot of the girls. It's the end part of the nose that has the biggest effect, and the end of your nose is straight/upturned, which is a feminine trait.
Well, it's kinda bumpy/convex... my doctor (female) has the same nose, but it's not a shape that I find terribly attractive, and, well, it's... kinda big?
The way the forehead plays into the picture is weird, too. shrug. Like... compare these two:
http://imgur.com/uF9AX (http://imgur.com/uF9AX)
http://imgur.com/6iyji (http://imgur.com/6iyji)
Hmm.
It's a pretty decent looking nose, and trust me, I'm not somebody who goes easy on noses either...I've been known to realize I'm mentally critiquing a CISgirl's nose for being too masculine xD It's still a pretty average nose-larger side of average, sure, but it's far from an unusual nose size for a woman. I'm mentally picturing you with different sized/shaped noses, and that one looks the best on your face so far.
Quote from: Jaime on April 09, 2012, 08:28:03 AM
if I had the money
I think that's the reason so many MTF's say it's overratted because they can't afford it lol. I mean for gods sake take a look around the internet and on this site and tell me FFS isn't worth it. If FFS or plastic surgery in general wasn't worth it do you honestly think all these people (trans & cisgender) would be paying thousands of dollars for nothing but a confidence boost?
It might seem subtle to you but it's very apparent to the person getting it whats changed, perfect example of this is Sysm29 who just had major facial surgery and is freaking out because her face has changed completely.
Quote from: Cadence Jean on November 16, 2011, 06:55:26 PM
Perfect FFS, easily. I don't plan on SRS.
ditto im even unsure if ill go on hrt or not , but im defiantly planning on ffs . no desire for srs though
Quote from: MacKenzie on April 09, 2012, 07:02:07 PM
I think that's the reason so many MTF's say it's overratted because they can't afford it lol. I mean for gods sake take a look around the internet and on this site and tell me FFS isn't worth it. If FFS or plastic surgery in general wasn't worth it do you honestly think all these people (trans & cisgender) would be paying thousands of dollars for nothing but a confidence boost?
It might seem subtle to you but it's very apparent to the person getting it whats changed, perfect example of this is Sysm29 who just had major facial surgery and is freaking out because her face has changed completely.
FFS is not worth it for 80% of transwomen, I think. It is, however, very worth it for 10%.
I would say that the statistics are somewhere around what Carrie says, 90%/10%. Most transwomen can go very well without it, but for a decent minority it makes a great difference.
Quote from: carrietg on April 11, 2012, 08:06:37 AM
FFS is not worth it for 80% of transwomen, I think. It is, however, very worth it for 10%.
I think you got those numbers backwards. ;)
Quote from: MacKenzie on April 11, 2012, 04:18:26 PM
I think you got those numbers backwards. ;)
i agree , thank god my mum is putting money towards this for me , otherwise theres no way in hell i could afford it for years yet, but next year is looking favourable for me :)
Quote from: mementomori on April 15, 2012, 05:05:29 AM
i agree , thank god my mum is putting money towards this for me , otherwise theres no way in hell i could afford it for years yet, but next year is looking favourable for me :)
Yeah if I didn't have wealthy parents I don't think i'd ever be able to pay for FFS on my own. Like i don't really think i need it but i want it anyway cuz i want to look my absolute best, yeah i know i'm vain lol. I think i'm gonna go with Dr. DiMaggio for my FFS, he's a little bit cheaper and after seeing a few of Dr.Z's recent patients i'm kinda scared to have him touch my face. I was considering Dr.Spiegel but he's a bit pricey like Dr.O and I don't wanna be indebted to my family for that much.
I'm looking at this fall or next year for my surgery date. I want to get it done sooner the better though because it's gonna take awhile to recover. :icon_zombie:
Hi Kristy, I ran across your Before/After pic on Dr Spiegel's website & Youtube (the one with Gigi Gorgeous doing a tour)
I hope the heck you are doing fine, please give all of us an update!
You sound intelligent, write/communicate well, seem like a well-rounded person..a "winner in life"
The MTF trans sex worker is a downer.. I hope you're OUT of that demographic, & adjusting well
You referred to college-loans, I assume you were attending college (U of Penn?) & are now well into a great career?
Sex-trade is what David Robinson mentioned as a deterrent to transitioning (recently to Sabrina) back in late 70's while she was attending UC Irvine -- many of her TG friends in W. Hollywood were in the sex-trade:
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I think 90% of trans women can benefit from FFS. As for how many "need" it, that depends a lot on individual perception. But I would say over 90% have masculine markers that can cause dysphoria or even cause people to "clock" someone. But for many of those, those markers are not so much significant that it will ruin every day of the life or make them "unpassable". So its a highly individual thing to decide on FFS - what I also noticed is that with age (and that goes for age of transition but also for overall age) things get a bit worse. I made the older trans women in the support group envious when I transitioned with early mid 20ies. Had not much issues for a while, but 20 years later things just bothered me so much - after a steady increase in dysphoria and also "clockings" - that I had the FFS done. I think with age, the soft tissue becomes weaker, thinner, bones show more and those are masculinized even if you start HRT at age 23. Also age always has a bit masculizin effect on women, so that does not help...
But I think with good HRT and a bit of styling and some Makeup, the majority of trans women can be "passable" without FFS - how strong ones own dysphoria is can never be guessed by others.
Quote from: MacKenzie on April 09, 2012, 07:02:07 PM
I think that's the reason so many MTF's say it's overratted because they can't afford it lol. I mean for gods sake take a look around the internet and on this site and tell me FFS isn't worth it. If FFS or plastic surgery in general wasn't worth it do you honestly think all these people (trans & cisgender) would be paying thousands of dollars for nothing but a confidence boost?
It might seem subtle to you but it's very apparent to the person getting it whats changed, perfect example of this is Sysm29 who just had major facial surgery and is freaking out because her face has changed completely.
I had FFS, A rhinoplasty, forehead contouring, hairline lowering , chin implant liposuction, and i took hormones on and off at age 18. Including plane flights accomodation and other stuff i would say its around 10k+ usd. I am 35 come december this year. Do I pass? 20% up from 0. Do i look more feminine? yes. Do I pass at an acceptable rate? NO.
Majority of the money were left to me by my late grandmother. With the remaining amount thats like a few ks, i spend them on the tria hair removal , an occulus and a couple of gaming accessories. As it turns out, they are less of a white elephant then this overhyped overglorified thing known as FFS. A part of me accepted that at least, my face was an improvement. A huge part of me though, wonder why did i spent that sum of money just to hope that that neverending GID dysphoria be cured. Just today someone told me i look norm for a male, with my BOB hairstyle, my completely shaven face that has no brow bossing, my androgynous t-shirt and jeans look. That was a real stab in my heart.
If i still had that money, i would have saved it for an investment like fixed deposits or some other things, at least even though i would still have gid dysphora, i remained 10k+ richer as compared to being 10k+ poor and still end up having GID dysphoria.
I do hope when fellow transwomen said how amazing FFS is, there should always be a word of caution that things might not turned out perfectly. People will still read you as male, and quite possibly no amount of FFS could fix that, its what we might just have to live with. A devastating truth is better than a comforting lie after all, well at least for me and maybe some of us.