I was wondering is the gaffs all that they say or is it a waste of time
;D Brandi
I guess I would have to ask what you think the gaff is going to do for you. I have personally never used one, to me it always seemed more of a novelty item. I guess it would be considered individual preference.
Sarah
I find just a neat tuck job works fine and doesn't spoil the line of my panties but as Sarah said it probably comes down to personal choice.
Shelley
Hello Bdnewgirl,
Before buying gaffs, you may want to try to make your own. It's quite simple. You buy support panty hose, cut the legs away from the panty, have the leg openings hemmed with an expanding stitch, then wear and tuck as if they were thongs. It's a great way to keep Mr Wobbly under control. However this method is best suited for all day active wear. I swim, Kayak, ride horses, and a whole lot of other activities, and it keeps every thing nicely tucked away especially when I'm wearing bikinis, and speaking of bikinis, when I go for my regular bikini wax I don't ever have to worry about anything showing. They are pretty long lasting and cheap to buy and make, and as long as you shape and wear them like a thong they don't spoil your panty lines.
Just an alternative.
Steph
Very creative Stephanie. See, there are always ways to save money.
Sarah
Nah, I never used one, just a pair of snug panties was good enough for me.
I've always use a snug panty. Just wonderd if anyone had used them before. I was reading on one of the cd stores how I can't live with out one. I just laugh at those Fake before and after photos
^-^
Brandi
Just the word 'gaff' sounds to medievel to me. I get by with control top pantyhose.
GypsyKaren
QuoteI was reading on one of the cd stores how I can't live with out one.
now, this may be true if you wear really snug clothes. I don't, so that's how I get buy without using one.
Hello Bdnewgirl,
So you can see the wearing of a gaff or other things depends a lot on the type of clothes you wear and the type of activities you're involved in. Obviously you couldn't wear pantyhose with shorts, or while you're swimming but they would work under pants or a dress and skirt. Hot it the summer though.
Ooooops I take that back. I have seen women wear pantyhose with shorts (not culottes), definitely a fashion faux pas. :)
Chat later
Steph
Where are the fashion police when you need them. ???
Shelley
I have tried a gaff. It was expensive and proved to work no better than the thong panties I usually wear. At the beach or for swimming I usually wear a 2 piece bikini. There is a shop that sews custom made swimwear near where I live. They have made two suits for me that fit great and really flatter my developing figure. I always have 2 bottoms made, a brazil cut and a thong. My wife decides what I should wear depending on where we are going. If we go to a pool I wear a one piece. If I show through I'll wear a pair of panties under.
Don't waste your money you can achieve the same results with panties or using Stephenie's methd which I am going to try.
My interpretation of a gaff is it is the suffix for Gaffaw, which is a mistake. Which is exactly what you will be making if you buy one. In my early days I went one step further. I bought a artificial (how shall I put this) lower extremity which advertised a built in method for going # 1. Not as advertised, could never pass with tight clothing. Definetely could not be worn with a bikini and no way to go to the bathroom as advertised. It was hot and when you did have to go made lots of squeeky sounds when being pulled down or up. Have never tried anything else since. $200 mistake.
I stick to panties and panty hose. Just pull old wally as far back as possible and pull panties up as tight as possible followed by pantyhose and voila. I've gone this way long enough I can stand up legs tight pull everything up and everything else goes into place. Practice makes perfect. That and loose clothing plus it doesn't cost $200.
Cassie
I never knew anyone who bought that. so totally not like how they advertised, eh? that's a shame. it did have some limitations to it though.
Okay. I have a question (cause I'm new at dressing underclothes. I was just to bed when this didn't matter). How do I put this so it's not to be edited. Ummm, Tucking "Mr. Wobbly" (as Casandra put it. Interesting choice, but we'll go with it) isn't a problem. Hidding his two friends is a problem though.
Problem one is that I like thongs. I have actually found some at Target which have enough room up front to hide things, but they just aren't that snug so things don't stay. The snug ones are too snug and are uncofortable. Is there a method I can use to find the middle ground?
Hi Brenda
Hiding the two friends has risks but it can be done. There is a pocket on each side of the abdomen, just above the base of the penis. The testicles can be pushed up into the pockets, one each side, and kept there with very little pressure or discomfort, and be completely hidden. However, there is a risk of doing this for extended periods of time. The testicles need to be cool in order to perform as designed, that's why they hang in a cool sack. Tucking them up into the abdomen causes their temperature to rise, and that's when the damage can occur.
I've been tucking this way for many, many years, and as a result my testicles no longer function the way they should. I have no problem with this, and examinations have revealed that I no longer produce sperm. For myself the two friends will be gone for good soon, so the fact that I can no longer produce sperm is of no concequence to me as I don't need it.
As I said, this procedure has risks, so be extremely careful, chat with your doctor about it, that's what I did.
Chat later
Steph
I usedStephs method and it works,
You can also push Mr Wobbly (thanks Cassie) back the same way. If you have shave there you can use surgical tape to keep him there.
Quotea brazil cut and a thong
Question, Brazil cut bikini bottom ???
Is this another age thingy?
Shelley
Wait a minute. I said old Wally not Mr. Wobbly although that sounds funnier. :D
Hi Shelly,
Ok I'll own up, I said Mr Wobbly :)
QuoteQuestion, Brazil cut bikini bottom Huh
Is this another age thingy?
Ha, ha, may be. This is a Brazilian Bikini http://www.maria-brazil.org/newimages/bikini2.jpg
and to go along with it you need a Brazilian Bikini Wax - OUCH - Quoted from:
http://www.ivillage.co.uk/beauty/bodybasics/remove/qas/0,,548157_185960,00.html
A Brazilian bikini wax removes the hair from the entire pubic region, except for a small patch just above the vaginal area. Many women request a Brazilian because it gives a clean, close wax and the freedom to wear even the most revealing swimwear and lingerie.
Expect to be waxed to the max if you visit a salon for a Brazilian treatment. A paper thong might be provided, but most likely, you?ll be in the buff. First the hair is snipped with scissors so the wax can reach the follicles. Then, using a wooden stick, a technician places warm wax on the area a little bit at a time. As with a regular bikini wax, cloth strips are placed over the hot wax and, after it hardens, pulled away from the skin.
A traditional Brazilian includes the labia and the area that reaches into the buttocks. If there are stray hairs after waxing, the technician may also tweeze the area. The key to allowing wax to penetrate into the follicles (and provide the closest possible wax) is to relax. And many women claim the treatment is not nearly as painful as it sounds.
I'm thinking about getting one, well maybe. :)
Chat later
Steph
After my post I went searching on the net for this answer and found the hiding the testes in the abdomen area method. I tried it but couldn't get it to work. Being that that was my first shot at it, I'm sure I was doing something wrong, but I'm not sure what that was. Getting them up there was no problem. Keeping them up there was.
What did I do wrong?
Hello Brenda,
You must wear tight panties, pantyhose, or the method I described to keep them in place. For myself, I always wear the homemade gaff, and panties over the top. The smooth look it produces is really quite nice.
Chat later,
Steph
My apologies Cassie and yes it did sound funnier.
Thanks for the description Steph and OWWWWWWW!
Shelley
hey peope, i'm just going to randomley interrupt for a second and say, i know that there is a thing or something toi strap the Wobbly back so it doiesn't get in the way (well this is my assumption and i hopoe it';s true) does anyone else knows of this>
Try this Phoenix,
http://www.transgendered.net/gaff.html
Shelley
I just gotta say that if you're really worried that a little bulge might show... hell, look at most GG's when they have their period... Maxi pads are like diapers LOL.... in some clothes, you can DEFINITELY see them... and whatcha think it looks like ;)
So if you're really really worried, you have an excuse! all the pads they had in the store were the bulky overnight variety... (for the record they're really uncomfortable..)
I also gotta say... I don't really stare at other peoples crotches... and I don't think other people do either... if they're close enough to notice something like that, they're liable to get kicked ;)
Hi Alison,
Thanks for the insight from a GG perspective. There are of course times when ones crotch can become the object of someones obssession. If one has been transitioning for a while and looks pretty good in a bikini men will stare. But that is about the only time I can think of that that might happen. Combined with wearing dresses or not too tight pants to resolve any form issues, the Gaff thing is really a waste of money that could go to electrolysis or something.
Cassie
wow i wanna get a Gaff like that to make it all smooth :)
Quote from: Cassandra on October 06, 2005, 02:10:55 PM
...the Gaff thing is really a waste of money that could go to electrolysis or something.
Cassie
Hmmmmmmmm, the home made gaff costs approximately $3.00 and will last about 2 - 3 months or so. If you buy the econopack of support pantyhose (K-Mart had them for $10.00 or so for 10 pairs) and they can last a very long time if you rotate one each day. :)
There are those who are very well endowed and need a little help to smooth things out, and then there are those who don't look that great in dresses or skirts. Also, and depending on how far along you are in your transition, a person may not be that comfy wearing dresses or skirts. Personally, I have a very slim figure, and I love to show it off wearing tight skirts, dresses, pants and bikini's. and a gaff helps me do that.
As I mentioned earlier, a gaff let's you be as active as you like without fear of something slipping out. I kayak, swim, run, go to the gym, go horseback ridding, problem free, and i don't have to worry about what clothing to buy.
Just my thoughts :)
Steph
I stand corrected Steph,
I ammend my commnet to exclude the Stephannie Craxford Gaff, a far supeior product which is already available at your local supermarket just follow the detailed instructions in this thread. ;D
Just don't waste your money on that junk they sell on the internet. That stuff could deffinetly pay for a couple of electrolysis sessions.
Cassie
*shrugs*
I tuck and use a pair of snug undies when wearing a skirt too. I'm more worried about accidentally flashing someone from behind (or when walking up stairs) then coming untucked!
QuoteI kayak, swim, run, go to the gym, go horseback ridding, problem free, and i don't have to worry about what clothing to buy.
This sounds like an ad for a sanatary product Steph. :D
Shelley
Quote from: Shelley on October 08, 2005, 04:30:43 PM
This sounds like an ad for a sanatary product Steph. :D
Shelley
Ha ha, I wonder if I sell that to Kotex, now that would be a different ad, period!
Steph :)
QuoteThis sounds like an ad for a sanatary product Steph.
ya know, now that you mention it, it does! :D
isnt there anything to use thst doesnt involve tucking or anyhing like that
Only baggy outer clothing.
Shelley
or having full surgery and hormnes
I love my gaff or rather, I did love it. Some jealous b**** swiped my underwear (which was the gaff) and destroyed them. Cannot prove it but they are gone nonetheless and there are rumours as to where they ended up.
Anyway I ended up with mine after buying a big rip off "crossdresser kit" from some online store. Heavy pantyhouse to hide leg hair (not that I ever had much), a really bad top, an OK skirt, a gaff, and horrible false breasts. Really, the Halloween stores have better tits to sell. The only thing I have used from year to year to year was the gaff. Kept me smooth and I wore another pair of panties, the same colour or darker, over top. I have been in a hottub in nothing but a T-shirt and the gaff/panties combo and had no issues at all. Except for the one guy....but I digress.....
I am going to pick up a cheaper gaff when I find one. That is an inexpensive pair of swimsuit bikini bottoms. I missed the clearance sales this year but have something I am using at the moment, but it does not work as good as the gaff.
I have tried the snug panties, etc but with all of the running around I do, it does not last for long and that can be a disaster.
Just my .02, YMMV.
yeah - but what if you have a large..friend ....like i do? i tried pantyhose - but they don't hide him away. Gaffs work for me. I got one from a mail order place in florida ...draag-queen.com..that was apiece of junk ! The ones from suddenly fem are pretty well designed - they work and don't kill... and at least they looks pretty too. You can also get a full size panty girdle and that should work well - they have them at the Deb shop - and they are really silky too.
any other ideas?
Why do they call them Gaffs?
tamara
Gaff or tuck?..if you are medium in normal state, you might try to gently move 1 of the "twins" up out of the sack and into the area just below mr. wiggly..with a snug pair of control breifs, you can get 1 if not both "twins" up and away..roger/renae
Sorry about this, but when talking about moving the "twins" around, all I can say is ... ow.
Hi girls, I just registered here. I was a member a couple of years ago so it's good to be back :) I just wanted to add my 2 cents worth. I've been using the pantyhose method that Stephanie described for the last couple of years and it works quite nicely for me. A lot cheaper than a gaff and it really does the trick :)
Hugs,
Monika
It's actually quite painless Stephanie,
The best time to try is when laying on you back and just move them around until voila all gone.
Shelley
I know I'm doing something wrong cause no matter what I try, the moving of the twins just ain't workin'. They won't stay up no matter how I try. What's the deal?
I take a pair of control top pantyhose, cut the legs off, and then use that to tuck. For better effect, I put on a $10 waist cincher with built in panty form Whale*Mart over that, makes for a flat look under skirts, pants, or shorts. I get the kind with boning in them. ;)
When you tuck, you have to use something to hold the twins up, Brenda32. They won't stay up on their own, at least not for me. After being in a tuck all day, they may actually stay there for an hour or so afterwords, but mine also tend to shrink, after tucking or at random times.
Just remember everyone that there are risks damaging the old reproductive system. Mine no longer functions as a result of long term tucking, but that's OK I have no use for it anymore :)
So just be aware.
Steph
Quote from: stephanie on November 07, 2005, 01:45:11 AM
Sorry about this, but when talking about moving the "twins" around, all I can say is ... ow.
thats what I said when I first saw Jaycie accomplish it, "Doesn't that -hurt- ??"
she assures me it doesn't....
Quote from: Stephanie Craxford on November 10, 2005, 07:57:30 AM
Just remember everyone that there are risks damaging the old reproductive system. Mine no longer functions as a result of long term tucking, but that's OK I have no use for it anymore :)
So just be aware.
Steph
Outta curiosity Steph, is it that much more damaging then wearing BVD style underpants for long term?
Hey there Alison,
I'm not really sure but, for myself I tucked almost 24/7, just so that I wouldn't have to see or feel them. This is probably on the extreme side, but keeping them "up" there for that long damages them beyond repair. It's a question of temperature. The sack that carries them is like an external thermostat. When it's hot they are loose and swinging free in the cool air. When it's cold the sack shrinks, hugging them up closer to the warmth of the body. There is an optimum temperature that they should be kept at but that escapes me right now.
I just though it warranted a warning to those contemplating doing what I did, as if anyone did it to the extreme that I did should be aware of what might happen.
Chat later,
Steph
I made a Stephannie Craxford Gaff with an old pair of nylons and it really works.
Thanks for the great idea Stephannie :)
Jilllieann
Have you got that Patent happening yet Steph?
Shelley
OMG I completly forgot Shelley.
OK everyone it's official, the method I discribed in this thread of making your own gaff out of panty hose is now officially patented, and shall ever more be known as the Stephiegaff (TM) (Patent Pending). This license will give you the right to use this design to construct your own Stephiegaff, as long as you give credit where credit is due. and you may if you like send me $1.00 US to help fend off all those shiftless-nare-do-wells out there who may try and steal what is probably the most revolutionary product to come along since the paper clip.
Maybe Dennis would be able to help me draft something ;D nudge, nudge.
I will be compiling instructions, with pictures, and make application to the venerable maintainers of the Wiki, and Susan of couse, so that these instructions may be posted for all to see and use.
Now all I have to do is sit back and watch the millions of dollars roll in enabling me to retire somewhere warm.
Chat later, I have work to do... :D
Steph
QuoteMaybe Dennis would be able to help me draft something
Sure:
I _________________, am giving you, Steph a buck. Don't spend it all in one place.
:P
Dennis
Quote from: Steph on September 30, 2005, 06:40:37 PM
It's a great way to keep Mr Wobbly under control.
Just an alternative.
Steph
LOL !!!
Hi Steph:
To me, a tight underwear works just finel....but again, Mr. Wobbly, in my case, is almost non-existent!!!! LOL
tinkerbell :icon_chick:
I just use regular underwear. That works fine, but I suppose it depends on size.
Melissa
Quote from: tinkerbell on July 15, 2006, 12:41:55 AM
LOL !!!
Hi Steph:
To me, a tight underwear works just finel....but again, Mr. Wobbly, in my case, is almost non-existent!!!! LOL
tinkerbell :icon_chick:
Quite true. A big test is how a person looks when wearing a bikini or other revealing item when swimming and everything gets wet. "Things" do tend to show themselves at the most inopportune times :)
Steph
Quote from: cindianna_jones on July 16, 2006, 12:58:55 AM
You should never wear a gaf. It could make you infertile! Or worse yet, if you cut off the circulation, you might castrate yourself. Similarly, you should never wear tight lycra pants.
Cindi
Oh okay....shoot!!! I never thought of that....how could I have been so silly? infertile? castration?.....wait....I just remembered....I am a MTF and don't give a flying fly what happens to Mr. Wobbly and his two companions...the sooner they are gone, the better for me.....LOL.... :D ;) >:D :-*
tinkerbell :icon_chick:
Quote from: cindianna_jones on July 16, 2006, 12:58:55 AM
You should never wear a gaf. It could make you infertile! Or worse yet, if you cut off the circulation, you might castrate yourself. Similarly, you should never wear tight lycra pants.
and this is all a bad thing for anyone except a M2F TS.
QuoteI recall a show in Las Vegas where the show woman said that she tied up the end to a golf ball and then just slung the golf ball around for a hole in one. That sounded like it might be effective.
Seriously, gafs are fine for swimsuits. But, you'll lose it in the water. It'll happen every time. "What's that?" "Oh, that's a gaf." "No, I mean that other thing."
Sorry but I beg to differ. We spend most of our summer in our kayaks and you will find me and my friends, either in the kayaks, or under them practicing self righting, rolls, and rescues etc... we spend a lot of time in the water swimming and fooling around. I always wear a bikini, a very skimpy one at that, and I have yet to have any misshaps, absolutely none.
QuoteNow if you enjoy wearing one, you will probably enjoy wearing heels that are two sizes to small and a corset tied way too tight. And if that is the case, I'm way out of my league here. I'm sorry I have no advice to give.
Cindi
This is a pretty general statement as I don't see how any M2F TS would wear one for enjoyment, they wear them out of necsesity not for fun.
Steph
Quote from: cindianna_jones on July 16, 2006, 01:47:22 AM
Oh Steph, you're no fun tonight. ;)
I should not make light of something that could be very important to someone. The first statement should have been a big clue.
I only tried one once upon a time long ago in the before time. It was a hot tub party and I had a wonderful time with no accidents.
And the show girl in Las Vegas, really did tell the story about the golf ball. It was an absolute hoot!
Cindi
Posted at: July 16, 2006, 01:43:40 AM
Yea! you got it! Let's go bowling ;) I loved those lycra pants. I used to wear them a lot. I wonder what I ever did with those?
I can see me know going down to the redneck store where I live in lycra pants and heels. Uh can you tell me where the milk is? Now in the City, you could go into a seven eleven dressed like that. But here, you'd better have your cowboy hat with you.
Cindi
Sorry Cindi.
I'm not used to your writing style yet, and if you believe that I have a bridge I would like to sell you. Hey but It's my story and I'm sticking to it. :)
Steph.
P.S. By the way The stray kitten we found at Christmas is called Cinders :)
It really depends on my outfit, I have some pleated skirts that require almost nothing a few denim mini that need a good tight pair of panthose and then theres my red dress if I am not gaffed then, well I'd rather not go there..... :)
I reason I like skirts is because I don't need a gaff with them.
But I usually wear a comfortable shaping panties just in case. That way if something happen other will just think I'm wearing a day pad.
Also for hidding Mr. Wobbly and his two friends I have used one of my wife pads with great result.
:)
Jillieann
I just use regular underwear. If I wear pants, that seems to hold it all in place just fine. If it comes undone, there is usually only a slight bulge and it goes unnoticed, but maybe that's just me.
Melissa
I just tuck here.....
I trick I found to do with normal underwear is to your back up, almost like a thong...
If you keep the front end tight that way, it smooths out real nice... :)
-Nessa
Hi Ladies,
I am a long-term trannie from the U.K. I am a long-term wearer of gaffs and now like them although I must admit that they took a bit of getting used to.
I have worn gaffs for more years than I want to recall.
I have tried several different makes and the most effective and comfortable for wearing 24/7 were made by Robin who lived in Florida, he has now retired. The Breast Form Store in Canada and in U.K., supply one that is almost as good.
I gaff except when bathing and love the satisfaction of knowing that I do not have that disgusting lump visible or palpable to myself or anyone else.I can wear swimming costumes and leotards with confidence. However I cannot get as flat as many drag artists.Has anyone any tips on this?
Infertility is not an issue for I am past it.If I had the guts I would have a castration operation if not GRS.
Hi gals,
I have not tried a gaff as of yet. Anything of thong type or narrower is a "stay away from" for me. So although Steph's homemade gaff solution is great, it's not for me. I have a problem with testes staying up sometimes as well as scrotal tissue coming out. I think I am going to try to find a wider crotch pair of panties with moderate-firm support first before I spend $$ for gaff. I wear support hose every day for medical reasons and they help to keep everything in place... it's just getting everything to stay in place until I get my hose up. I had to have a bi-lateral hernia repair operation some years ago and tucking is not too easy for me but at least I can still tuck. I have heard of alot of people not being able to tuck at all after this type of operation. on a side note... I have tried several more expensive alternatives and wasted over $340 on stuff that just didn't work as intended. Everything I spent money on was to eliminate the need to tuck in the first place. So I have decided to try to come up with my own homemade product to eliminate tucking. For the time being though I will still have to tuck.
Sid
I always found them uncomfortable and a decent pair of panties does the same job. As for hiding the testes, the push up into the cavity method works well. Mine have shrunk significantly since starting HRT and fit no problem. I am also not concerned about function as the hormones have long stopped any sperm production.
I think they are not worth the time or the money.
Hi there...
To the question of using a "Gaff" or not...
I've been wearing a gaff to hide "the boys"
for about ten years, and I think that it's a
great method for doing so.
I've only needed to buy 4 of them in all that time.
They cost about $20. each, and I got mine from
www.thebreastformstore.com (http://www.thebreastformstore.com), where I also got
several wonderful and affordable sets of silicone
breastforms and breastform bras ( the best bra:
the Amoena Ava 2115 ). Their gaffs are well-
made, with a nice stretch-satin outer layer and a
comfortable cotton inner layer, made strongly
for long-term durability as well.
I wear them one size smaller than my actual size
for a tight, secure fit, and wear 2 at once ( a flesh-
tone one under and a black one over that ) to
provide a really smooth look while giving extra
"security" for the placement of my "stuff".
I use the internal "tuck" to conceal those two
nutty things and pull the tubular item way back
and under... then pull up the 1st gaff, making
sure everything's in-place, then pull up the 2nd
gaff really hard over that. I follow up with a tight
pair of panties ( or two ), and I'm set for the day!
Comfy & secure... you can sleep this way, too,
and nothing will move "out" of their place.
You can walk, run, swim, whatever, and
the "guys" will not come out or show at all.
The longer you use a gaff like I've described, the
easier and more comfortable it is to do.
So, let's just say that the gaff is a good thing
for us girls who desire a completely invisible
"package".
Note: Wearing a gaff in this way will destroy
your ability to produce sperm over time...
it keeps the testicular temperature too
high for those pups to survive and you'll
eventually become sterile if you wear your
gaff for long periods of time on a daily
basis. ...But that can be a good thing, if
you don't have any need to reproduce,
and reject any masculinity anyway.
I definitely recommend you try wearing a gaff
to achieve a totally feminine contour for your
"package" area.
I do so agree.
I found that the more I wear gaffs the more normal it seems. I have gone 24 hours but I usually take it off when I go to bed.
I will try the 2-gaff plus tight-pantie arrangement and report to you ladies my findings.
I own a gaff but only use it when I'm in a super tight pair of jeans and need to be totally smooth, otherwise Stephs modified panty hose work fabulously for everyday wear ;)
Well I have the body to show, but I can not pass with tight jeans, So I ordered a gaff.
Hope this work