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Title: New gender designation system
Post by: HelenW on December 09, 2011, 04:19:45 PM
We have uploaded and installed an expanded method for designating gender in your profile. The new choices are:

Male
Female
Intersex
Androgyne
Queer
Questioning

Male & Female designations have not changed although symbols have replaced the words.  Those of you who identify with any of the other designations may do so by modifying their forum profile.

Many thanks to Renate for doing this bit of programming for us.

hugs & smiles
Emelye
Title: Re: New gender designation system
Post by: Padma on December 09, 2011, 04:46:17 PM
It's good to have more flexibility there.

On a related note, I visited a gender forum recently that also had an option to display the user's preferred pronouns under their avatar - I wonder if people here would find that valuable, and whether it's possible to add that into the User Profile data and display it if people wanted that facility?
Title: Re: New gender designation system
Post by: Padma on December 09, 2011, 04:47:31 PM
Is there scope for expanding the list further, say with Bigender, Neutrois?
Title: Re: New gender designation system
Post by: Flan on December 09, 2011, 06:11:56 PM
Quote from: Padma on December 09, 2011, 04:47:31 PM
Is there scope for expanding the list further, say with Bigender, Neutrois?
for now no since it would make the list needlessly complicated and increase the task of making less ugly icons for gender identification
Title: Re: New gender designation system
Post by: Arch on December 09, 2011, 07:13:52 PM
Quote from: Padma on December 09, 2011, 04:47:31 PM
Is there scope for expanding the list further, say with Bigender, Neutrois?

I love finally having an "M." Thanks, Renate. But I was wondering if "Queer" should be "Genderqueer"?
Title: Re: New gender designation system
Post by: ~RoadToTrista~ on December 09, 2011, 07:32:52 PM
I don't, the pink F in a box is so ugly, I guess it's tolerable though. When's someone gonna come on with one of the new ones? I wanna seee. >.< I just I'll just go and keep changing mine.
Title: Re: New gender designation system
Post by: Arch on December 09, 2011, 07:35:22 PM
Quote from: ~RoadToTrista~ on December 09, 2011, 07:32:52 PM
I don't, the pink F in a box is so ugly, I guess it's tolerable though. When's someone gonna come on with one of the new ones? I wanna seee. >.< I just I'll just go and keep changing mine.

I'm sorry you don't like the "F" symbol. But if you come up with a good alternative, maybe it will be adopted. You never know till you try.
Title: Re: New gender designation system
Post by: ~RoadToTrista~ on December 09, 2011, 07:36:35 PM
I just liked the old Venus symbol better.
Title: Re: New gender designation system
Post by: ~RoadToTrista~ on December 09, 2011, 07:45:21 PM
D:

Also like, all the new ones are just a boring white color, lolz
Title: Re: New gender designation system
Post by: Flan on December 09, 2011, 08:42:27 PM
i'm working on replacement icons, kinda hard to do with 16 pixels height but i think they will be ok, just not sure about the genderqueer icon (pictograph instead of normal gender icons) and intersex (no ideas yet).

edit: test set attached
Title: Re: New gender designation system
Post by: xxUltraModLadyxx on December 10, 2011, 12:30:27 AM
i don't really care about the symbols too much. it's just something people look at for quick reference if your gender isn't too obvious.
Title: Re: New gender designation system
Post by: Anatta on December 10, 2011, 12:43:12 AM
Quote from: ~RoadToTrista~ on December 09, 2011, 07:32:52 PM
I don't, the pink F in a box is so ugly, I guess it's tolerable though. When's someone gonna come on with one of the new ones? I wanna seee. >.< I just I'll just go and keep changing mine.

Kia Ora Road,

::) You can always start your own petition and call it "The F off " petition  ;) ;D

::) * Oh and I can just see the placards with " 'F' OFF " in bold big print  ;D

Metta Zenda :)
Title: Re: New gender designation system
Post by: Rebekah with a K-A-H on December 10, 2011, 01:20:09 AM
Queerin' it up.  Glad to have more options.
Title: Re: New gender designation system
Post by: Devlyn on December 10, 2011, 01:26:59 AM
I like it, thanks Renate and the rest of the Staff! Hugs, Tracey
Title: Re: New gender designation system
Post by: pretty on December 10, 2011, 02:13:29 AM
Just wondering, why would intersexed be considered a gender?
Title: Re: New gender designation system
Post by: Michelle. on December 10, 2011, 02:23:45 AM
Quote from: ~RoadToTrista~ on December 09, 2011, 07:36:35 PM
I just liked the old Venus symbol better.


Second.

Let the unofficial protest movement being!

I kid.
Title: Re: New gender designation system
Post by: apple pie on December 10, 2011, 03:02:07 AM
Hmmm I thought the old symbols looked nicer too (not that I'm using any)...
Title: Re: New gender designation system
Post by: pebbles on December 10, 2011, 03:07:55 AM
Quote from: pretty on December 10, 2011, 02:13:29 AM
Just wondering, why would intersexed be considered a gender?
Indivduals with intersex conditions can have complicated identities some consider themselves either male/female. Others accept the term as a mark of pride others don't care about it and don't identify as either. You can't presume to know what a persons views about their bodies are.

When I first saw the new system I got abit confused and thought I had gotten a warning or somthing. And this was part of some new moderator caution system or somthing.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv63%2FDarkphantom%2Ffailure.png&hash=f31dfc25574611bc2a7bedf066d355ea568cc031)

HEY I NO FAIL YOU FAIL MOD SCREW YOU BUDDY!! Oh wait that's my gender tag. :/
Title: Re: New gender designation system
Post by: Cindy on December 10, 2011, 03:30:36 AM
Petty,
but I don't like it , what is wrong with the male, female and dual male female/male symbol for Andro's  and a straight 0 for not sure or don't know?  Medical records never use M, F, etc they use the symbol.

Don't really care but you asked.

Sorry I appreciate the hard work BTW.

Cindy
Title: Re: New gender designation system
Post by: Amazon D on December 10, 2011, 03:48:35 AM
While your at it maybe make a listing for sexual preference too

Hetero = female for male or male for female
bisexual = female or male for female or male
lesbian = female for female
gay = male for male
transbian = trans attracted to trans
translesbian = trans F attracted to  lesbians
transgay = trans M attracted to males
polyamorous = attracted to anything that moves  ;)
Pansexual = attracted to pans not pots  ::)
asexual = attracted to self  >:-)
nonsexual = no one attracted to them  ;D
nun = gave up sex for the greater good  :angel:


PS: Put me down for nun  :-*  or nonsexual  ;)
Title: Re: New gender designation system
Post by: Rebekah with a K-A-H on December 10, 2011, 11:35:54 AM
Quote from: Cindy James on December 10, 2011, 03:30:36 AM
Petty,
but I don't like it , what is wrong with the male, female and dual male female/male symbol for Andro's  and a straight 0 for not sure or don't know?  Medical records never use M, F, etc they use the symbol.

Don't really care but you asked.

Sorry I appreciate the hard work BTW.

Cindy

'Cause there are more gender and sexual identities than that, I'm guessing.  I don't really think it's fair to lump genderqueer, androgyne and intersex (etc.) into a single category.
Title: Re: New gender designation system
Post by: Arch on December 10, 2011, 05:50:19 PM
Okay, what if we go back to Mars for male, Venus for female. Then a tiny unicorn head for Androgyne, a fancy GQ for genderqueer, and a question mark for questioning. I'm not sure about intersex, but we could poll people or do a combined Venus-and-Mars symbol (hope that's not offensive).

I'm happy to be represented as just male rather than FTM. So back to the Mars symbol would work for me.
Title: Re: New gender designation system
Post by: Pica Pica on December 10, 2011, 05:56:43 PM
I remember, a while ago we loosely decided to make the androgyne symbol the sun symbol.

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages8.cpcache.com%2Fproduct%2F205906458v6_350x350_Front.jpg&hash=fc19ae8f2423775a51939fc872defe3ef35268cb)

But a tiny unicorn head pleases me immensely.
Title: Re: New gender designation system
Post by: Devlyn on December 10, 2011, 06:13:25 PM
How about a designated Gender box where each member types in their preferred term and selects the background color themselves? For what it's worth, I like my pink F designator and would keep it that way. Hugs, Tracey
Title: Re: New gender designation system
Post by: Susan Baum on December 10, 2011, 06:23:15 PM
Quote from: Amazon D on December 10, 2011, 03:48:35 AM
Pansexual = attracted to pans not pots  ::)

What about those of us who prefer pots to pans? 

Can we test your skillet at smething better than potable?   >:-)

I can appreciate the effort that went into this and a pink F is OK but... does anyone else here remember Pete Seeger's song "Little Boxes?"   

Susan
Title: Re: New gender designation system
Post by: Shana A on December 10, 2011, 07:52:05 PM
Quote from: Susan Baum on December 10, 2011, 06:23:15 PM
does anyone else here remember Pete Seeger's song "Little Boxes?"   

Susan

Great song! Written by Malvina Reynolds.
Title: Re: New gender designation system
Post by: Joelene9 on December 10, 2011, 08:51:11 PM
  Gender FAIL?   :icon_burn:  I hope not.  The new icons are okay though. 
  Joelene
Title: Re: New gender designation system
Post by: Amazon D on December 11, 2011, 05:30:25 AM
I don't like the square boxes .. are we now square?

oh yea its hip to be square  8)
Title: Re: New gender designation system
Post by: Kristin on December 11, 2011, 06:37:09 AM
I haven't found where to change the setting (or perhaps I don't have enough posts to set it?)

Edit (2 minutes later): And after not finding it yesterday and not finding it before posting, I find it within two minutes of posting (Profile > Forum Profile)
Title: Re: New gender designation system
Post by: Emerald on December 11, 2011, 12:11:31 PM
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.babyandchristening.ie%2Fimages%2Fprimarycols-small%2FColour10%2FLetter-F.jpg&hash=29da5855aba708c2b4092ad43f4ab3d21c0511d9) Female/Feminine
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.babyandchristening.ie%2Fimages%2Fprimarycols-small%2FColour9%2FLetter-B.jpg&hash=a7d2f892579ce7a07fc290493ca3cabe97d27262) Bigender
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.babyandchristening.ie%2Fimages%2Fprimarycols-small%2FColour6%2FLetter-M.jpg&hash=ad569f2462219e2c4bb8c710b63b78e60b6d9ad4) Male/Masculine
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.babyandchristening.ie%2Fimages%2Fprimarycols-small%2FColour7%2FLetter-N.jpg&hash=55774cf3d911634c2de1fb745940b3289484d84e) Neutrois/Null-gender
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.babyandchristening.ie%2Fimages%2Fprimarycols-small%2FColour5%2FLetter-A.jpg&hash=8757f5b79a3ce2e9fa8ae15a77164485e9abab38) Androgyne
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.babyandchristening.ie%2Fimages%2Fprimarycols-small%2FColour4%2FLetter-I.jpg&hash=1ccec051103d293332dca375c89d77de4e24a0ec) Intersex
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.babyandchristening.ie%2Fimages%2Fprimarycols-small%2FColour3%2FLetter-Q.jpg&hash=280fb12efc470de9c4fdad0a934c2b5670a070b8) Questioning
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.babyandchristening.ie%2Fimages%2Fprimarycols-small%2FColour2%2FLetter-G.jpg&hash=f952b3ccd80a28f19b7405307e1f3a964b7dc81f) Genderqueer/Genderfluid/Genderf*ck
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.babyandchristening.ie%2Fimages%2Fprimarycols-small%2FColour1%2FLetter-C.jpg&hash=38443cb53ed6b03a4e359195db561ad0862b5137) Crossdresser


To my mind, this rainbow covers the spectrum of gender identification and leaves no one out.
-Emerald

Title: Re: New gender designation system
Post by: Robyn on December 11, 2011, 12:21:11 PM
Very nice, Emerald.

Robyn
Title: Re: New gender designation system
Post by: ~RoadToTrista~ on December 11, 2011, 02:38:45 PM
Those are fine too.
Title: Re: New gender designation system
Post by: eli77 on December 11, 2011, 11:55:47 PM
Ugg, still pink. I hate pink. :(

Oh well. Glad to see the system changed to be more inclusive anyway.
Title: Re: New gender designation system
Post by: fionabell on December 12, 2011, 01:11:43 AM
NO QUEERS! :eusa_hand:
Title: Re: New gender designation system
Post by: caseyy on December 12, 2011, 01:42:47 PM
I like Emerald's symbols. I also agree that we should have things like bigender included, as someone who identifies as bigender and someone who identifies as neither/a more androgynous blend experience things very differently and it means different things for them. One of our well-loved regular members (who I've seen specifically mention this, there's probably others who I don't want to feel left out) is bigender, not sure to what degree ze cares about the distinction but it should be an option.
Title: Re: New gender designation system
Post by: A on December 13, 2011, 09:09:55 PM
*Has just spent a LOT of time on Illustrator correcting poorly done graphic work*

I'm not sure about the letter symbols. If we're going to use letters, why not just use words or plain letters instead of images? Makes less '90s HTML. And whatever you do, if you want to use those, please center them.


...


Perfectionist bitching aside, it's not a bad idea.
Title: Re: New gender designation system
Post by: Jamie D on December 16, 2011, 01:34:26 AM
Quote from: Pica Pica on December 10, 2011, 05:56:43 PM
I remember, a while ago we loosely decided to make the androgyne symbol the sun symbol.

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages8.cpcache.com%2Fproduct%2F205906458v6_350x350_Front.jpg&hash=fc19ae8f2423775a51939fc872defe3ef35268cb)

But a tiny unicorn head pleases me immensely.

That design is the "Tricolore Cockade" of the French Airforce!
Title: Re: New gender designation system
Post by: EmmaM on December 16, 2011, 02:41:20 AM
I totally went queer so fast!

Ah ha! I like to gender queer things up, but I'm a total girl.
Title: Re: New gender designation system
Post by: Ferral Llama on February 08, 2012, 02:23:41 PM
Quote from: Padma on December 09, 2011, 04:46:17 PM
It's good to have more flexibility there.

On a related note, I visited a gender forum recently that also had an option to display the user's preferred pronouns under their avatar - I wonder if people here would find that valuable, and whether it's possible to add that into the User Profile data and display it if people wanted that facility?
sorry for answering a old thread but just wanted to say it is very possible to add an extra profile field in [to show under the avatar,or only in profile]...technicaly.
the other forum has probably hacked its own customised code or is using a forum software [such as vbulletin, phpBB, myBB etc]  which someone has designed the 'mod' for.
it doesnt require amazing code skills to hack it,just a nod in the right direction from people who know their PHP and a good coffee supply due to the concentration that a ton of code lines requires. ;D that is what had worked with mine,a phpBB forum from years ago when there were not to many 'mods'/addons available.
Title: Re: New gender designation system
Post by: Kitty_Babe on February 25, 2012, 07:08:23 PM
I'm not totally convinced its really necessary on any board to denote what gender you are, I tend to AVOID this option in profiles. Through conversation, and your general interactions with people, many people can tell - or have a good guess if they are talking to a Woman or man. I think actually using the profile option is similar to wearing it like a badge, and its not even necessary for you to wear that badge on a forum to denote who you are, because you have nothing to prove to anyone. It just seems like labels to me and putting peoples identities in "boxes". Each to their own I suppose, if you like having "M" or "F" or which ever else in your profile though, I just think its NOT really necessary. :)