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Title: [UK] Lucy Parker: Teen Transsexual Message!
Post by: Natasha on December 13, 2008, 10:38:44 PM
[UK] Lucy Parker: Teen Transsexual Message!

Lucy Parker, the teen transsexual of the BBC documentaries, produced by Endemol, has a message for youtube!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCNbdw89aZg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCNbdw89aZg)
Title: Re: [UK] Lucy Parker: Teen Transsexual Message!
Post by: lady amarant on December 14, 2008, 01:23:15 AM
Lucy's story is touching and in many ways so very hopeful. You can watch it online here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4047833030472772243 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4047833030472772243)

As much as conservatism still pushes against us and would deny us, there really is more of a chance for trans kids today than there ever was before. Hopefully, once the old generation have died off and people who have grown up with and become used to homosexual and transsexed people, these kinds of things will simply be consigned to the trash heap of history.

~Simone.
Title: Re: [UK] Lucy Parker: Teen Transsexual Message!
Post by: sarahb on December 14, 2008, 04:41:35 AM
Quote from: lady amarant on December 14, 2008, 01:23:15 AM
As much as conservatism still pushes against us and would deny us, there really is more of a chance for trans kids today than there ever was before. Hopefully, once the old generation have died off and people who have grown up with and become used to homosexual and transsexed people, these kinds of things will simply be consigned to the trash heap of history.

I'm actually really excited about the future in that regard. It's going to be interesting seeing the progression of acceptance as my generation (and younger) becomes the driving force for policies on social issues that today is still mainly ruled by the baby boomer and Gen-X generations.
Title: Re: [UK] Lucy Parker: Teen Transsexual Message!
Post by: lady amarant on December 14, 2008, 05:28:52 AM
Oops. Wrong documentary. *BLUSH*

~Simone.
Title: Re: [UK] Lucy Parker: Teen Transsexual Message!
Post by: Rachael on December 14, 2008, 08:57:19 AM
She thinks its about trans? lol
She totally ignores the fact shes a moron...
She came onto a trans irc i was on demanding recognition and adoration because she was 'lucy parker' and her entorage that came with her were rather rude...
on the show she was a nasty moody cow, and she wonders why folk dislike her?
Title: Re: [UK] Lucy Parker: Teen Transsexual Message!
Post by: goingdown on December 14, 2008, 08:58:34 AM
Conservatives are in LGBT community too. Many young transsexuals for example cannot find support because of lack of acceptance from ''late transitioners''. And that is a very serious issue. Transcommunity is it own enemy.
Title: Re: [UK] Lucy Parker: Teen Transsexual Message!
Post by: Rachael on December 14, 2008, 09:01:30 AM
Aye, admitedly thats usually a big issue... If you are young, and pass, most of the community refuses to aknowlage you can have a problem... afterall, thats all they want!
Title: Re: [UK] Lucy Parker: Teen Transsexual Message!
Post by: Jay on December 14, 2008, 09:06:33 AM
I posted a comment on her UTUBE page. She is VERY brave for doing the TV show as i couldn't do it. For my familys sake and my own.

Title: Re: [UK] Lucy Parker: Teen Transsexual Message!
Post by: tekla on December 14, 2008, 11:33:14 AM
her entorage that came with her were rather rude...
30+ years in entertainment (the home of the modern entourage) and I've yet to encounter anyone in any one of them who was anything more than rude.  I'm pretty much convinced that 'entourage' is a French word for 'pack of worthless >-bleeped-<s' - but like most things, it just sounds so much better in the original French (who knew a lot about such people as it turns out).

Of course they take that cue from the 'leader.'  Really, the best part of my job is getting to talk with someone, at least a few times a year, who will say "Don't you know who I am?"  Where in all the pleasant ignorance I can muster - which is a huge amount - I get all doe-eyed and say "No, should I?"  God, I love it.  They never have an answer to that one.



And she does not come across as being very bright, or even all there.  That eye rolling deal, is she looking up trying to find her brain or what.  Most people know the old adage that 'the camera adds 10 pounds' - and it does.  What people don't know is that the camera also subtracts 30 IQ points, so people seem a lot dumber on camera then they are in person.  I sure hope so or she's walking around with an MP3 player that repeats "left foot, right foot" just so she can walk around.

And its not the 'late transitioners' that are causing young TS not to get support.  For the most part, they are all but absent from the community, because they don't like the community, if they even think there is a community - which most of them do not.
Title: Re: [UK] Lucy Parker: Teen Transsexual Message!
Post by: goingdown on December 14, 2008, 03:10:14 PM
That is quit not true.
Many late transitioners for example think that Zucker methods are right. Many later transitioners think that TYFA is an amoral organization. We have got no help to education issues from transcommunity that keeps busy to lobbing non-discrmination laws against transvestites and late-transitioners.
Title: Re: [UK] Lucy Parker: Teen Transsexual Message!
Post by: Rachael on December 15, 2008, 10:58:11 AM
going down is half right... theres a massive thing agianst young transitioners... obvious or not. There is a sense of 'they have tons of time, they mostly get cisgender privilage of passing... thier life is wonderful! why should we help them? they should help us!
I dont agree that its all, and tbh, for young transitioners, there isnt really a transgender community, just community with some t elements.... Most support groups freak young people out... i tried two.. both i got letched at, talked down to, and were full of CDs and tvs, and the only TS women were nutty and acted like the cds....  Lucy has a point, but lucy is still a fething moron either way
Title: Re: [UK] Lucy Parker: Teen Transsexual Message!
Post by: lisagurl on December 15, 2008, 01:58:31 PM
QuoteMany late transitioners for example think that Zucker methods are right.

I find it hard to believe anyone accepts Zucker, his pseudo science has been disproved many times.
Title: Re: [UK] Lucy Parker: Teen Transsexual Message!
Post by: Rachael on December 15, 2008, 07:41:46 PM
just because something is disprivoved, or mostly disagreed with, does not mean all do.... Just because someone is trans, does not make them a liberal, intelligent, or aware...
Title: Re: [UK] Lucy Parker: Teen Transsexual Message!
Post by: Vexing on December 15, 2008, 07:52:24 PM
Quote from: goingdown on December 14, 2008, 03:10:14 PM
That is quit not true.
Many late transitioners for example think that Zucker methods are right. Many later transitioners think that TYFA is an amoral organization. We have got no help to education issues from transcommunity that keeps busy to lobbing non-discrmination laws against transvestites and late-transitioners.

Could you please present some evidence to support this?
Title: Re: [UK] Lucy Parker: Teen Transsexual Message!
Post by: Alyx. on December 15, 2008, 08:10:58 PM
I didn't hear snap.

All I could think about was how funny her accent was and how jealous I was of her big eyes. @_@
Title: Re: [UK] Lucy Parker: Teen Transsexual Message!
Post by: Rachael on December 16, 2008, 12:25:48 AM
She's scotish...
Title: Re: [UK] Lucy Parker: Teen Transsexual Message!
Post by: Jay on December 16, 2008, 07:42:30 AM
Quote from: Starbuck on December 16, 2008, 12:25:48 AM
She's scotish...

she sounds pretty english to me :S
Title: Re: [UK] Lucy Parker: Teen Transsexual Message!
Post by: glendagladwitch on December 16, 2008, 08:05:07 AM
Quote from: SarahR on December 14, 2008, 04:41:35 AM
Quote from: lady amarant on December 14, 2008, 01:23:15 AM
As much as conservatism still pushes against us and would deny us, there really is more of a chance for trans kids today than there ever was before. Hopefully, once the old generation have died off and people who have grown up with and become used to homosexual and transsexed people, these kinds of things will simply be consigned to the trash heap of history.

I'm actually really excited about the future in that regard. It's going to be interesting seeing the progression of acceptance as my generation (and younger) becomes the driving force for policies on social issues that today is still mainly ruled by the baby boomer and Gen-X generations.

I used to think we would see huge change when the babyboomers passed on. Now I have my doubts.  Like you said, gen x, my generation, is also filled with problem people.  And it seems more and more as they age.  And I've encountered a lot of rabid dogs among the younger generation already.  I think you'll find that such people emerge and manifest their tendencies as they get older.  Then the next generation will start seeing you and yours as the problem.

Title: Re: [UK] Lucy Parker: Teen Transsexual Message!
Post by: lisagurl on December 16, 2008, 08:31:21 AM
As the population continues to increase people will get more hostile as the dwindling resources create more competition for life.
Title: Re: [UK] Lucy Parker: Teen Transsexual Message!
Post by: soldierjane on December 16, 2008, 08:42:19 AM
Quote from: glendagladwitch on December 16, 2008, 08:05:07 AM
Quote from: SarahR on December 14, 2008, 04:41:35 AM
Quote from: lady amarant on December 14, 2008, 01:23:15 AM
As much as conservatism still pushes against us and would deny us, there really is more of a chance for trans kids today than there ever was before. Hopefully, once the old generation have died off and people who have grown up with and become used to homosexual and transsexed people, these kinds of things will simply be consigned to the trash heap of history.

I'm actually really excited about the future in that regard. It's going to be interesting seeing the progression of acceptance as my generation (and younger) becomes the driving force for policies on social issues that today is still mainly ruled by the baby boomer and Gen-X generations.

I used to think we would see huge change when the babyboomers passed on. Now I have my doubts.  Like you said, gen x, my generation, is also filled with problem people.  And it seems more and more as they age.  And I've encountered a lot of rabid dogs among the younger generation already.  I think you'll find that such people emerge and manifest their tendencies as they get older.  Then the next generation will start seeing you and yours as the problem.


Ditto. I think the only generational issue at work is lack of understanding between the old and new guards.
It is written that all generations spurn the prior generation though. Eventually they too come to realize that the faces change but the song stays very similar.
Title: Re: [UK] Lucy Parker: Teen Transsexual Message!
Post by: soldierjane on December 16, 2008, 08:54:38 AM
Quote from: goingdown on December 14, 2008, 03:10:14 PM
That is quit not true.
Many late transitioners for example think that Zucker methods are right.

How can people who transition espouse what is essentially reparative therapy? It doesn't make sense, does it?


Quote
Many later transitioners think that TYFA is an amoral organization.

Why? Again, what sense does that make? You know what 99.99% of people who transition say? "I wish I could have transitioned earlier" or "I wish I'd been born right". How does that crystallize with thinking that an organization which addresses these issues is amoral?


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We have got no help to education issues from transcommunity that keeps busy to lobbing non-discrmination laws against transvestites and late-transitioners.

So... basically you not only lump "late transitioners" with TVs but you also say that they don't deserve reprieve from discrimination. Good one there, goingdown. How sad to see a trans person complicit to discrimination.

Title: Re: [UK] Lucy Parker: Teen Transsexual Message!
Post by: goingdown on December 16, 2008, 08:59:01 AM
Very much of this were influenced by conservative views of later transitioners in my homecountry.

And discrimination. Of course I support banning any discrimination due to gender identity or expression.
Title: Re: [UK] Lucy Parker: Teen Transsexual Message!
Post by: tekla on December 16, 2008, 09:13:53 AM
Historically speaking, you don't want to go through any period of "Huge Change" it's almost always bad.  The faster it changes, the worse it is. 


Though I see age splits among people in, about to, never going to, transition  - and in trans awareness/support/political/social groups - I don't think that has anything much to do with being trans, but rather its a human condition.  So that the splits in the trans community mirror those of the rest of society.  In that, its pretty normal.  Some of it has to do with time and how its spent and managed - so if you got your 9-5 people, they are running on a different clock than students.  Meetings are at different times.  Events are not the same.

Life situations are not the same either, and people do seek out those that share some similar problem or condition.  So to point out one huge change - and prove my statement that big huge changes are rarely good - for a bunch of us older boies and girls, we went to college in a very different manner and setting then anyone who has gone in the last 20 years or so.  The difference is huge, so huge, that its all but impossible to compare the two experiences.  In both the cases of those who went before, and those who are in the more 'modern system' will seek out people who at least understand what the hell they are talking about.  So age very often, and in modern society in particular with its physical and geographical spacing makes it a lot harder for groups of people to meet across the age divide.

It is sad to see the number of people who think that "Rights are for me, but not for thee" as such thinking merely serves to block progress.