Topic: Does Society Tend to Negatively Judge Transgender People?

[wendy]

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Trans community does not have a precise language.  I view society as collection of people and its societal expectations.  You see results only if vote and you can change your vote if you want.

[Prof HB]

I put mostly agree. Life was so much easier when I was clearly female...I've noticed that the esteem people treat me with has dropped significantly. but i know that in time it will get easier as I become more clearly male.

[Pica Pica]

Society negatively judges any person who rocks the boat and strains the bonds of social cohesion, that's why it's society.

[JoanneB]

Nothing answers the question better then a look at the murder and suicide rates for TGs vs the rest of the population.

"Tends to" is universal. How violent or angry the reaction is about the only differentiator.

[Miss Bungle]

Of course society judges transpeople harshly. That is why so many people stay stealth.

[Nygeel]

I think society is more likely to negatively judge trans people who are assigned male at birth (MTF and trans women) over those assigned female at birth (FTM and trans men).

[Miss Bungle]

I think society is more likely to negatively judge trans people who are assigned male at birth (MTF and trans women) over those assigned female at birth (FTM and trans men).

I would agree with that.

[Kelly J. P.]

I answered "mostly". Not all people are judgemental, but most are - whether subconsciously, or consciously. If they find out about you, then your quality of life tends to decrease a lot of the time... more or less, depending especially on who "they" is.

[justmeinoz]

I would say that the transphobes are generally more extreme in their negative attitudes than the positive or neutral  people are supportive. That is just the nature of hatred.

[wendy]

Wow.  Over half of sample voted mostly agree with a weighted average between mostly agree and highly agree.  Many people are nice so that I put mostly agree.

I think society is more likely to negatively judge trans people who are assigned male at birth (MTF and trans women) over those assigned female at birth (FTM and trans men).

I think passing and being stealth has a lot to do with "judging".  Most of trans men I know are rather handsome and overall seem more stable and have more manners than most genetic males.

"Mostly agree" also.
Though lets bear in mind - negative judgement will mostly not be direct rejection in your face. Usually or very often behind our back.
Axélle

 

I have become transparent (love that word since I am a trans parent) when I walk around neighborhood.

[Nygeel]

I think passing and being stealth has a lot to do with "judging".  Most of trans men I know are rather handsome and overall seem more stable and have more manners than most genetic males.

I both agree and disagree. I think that passing as cis and being stealth are being in places where people don't think you're trans and thus can't really judge you for being trans. Most of the trans men I know I wouldn't say are handsome, I don't think trans men are more stable or have more manners than cis men.

[suzifrommd]

Although there are bigoted haters everywhere (who hate more than trans. Usually those who hate trans will hate all kinds of others), most people are accepting kind people. Negative judgment of Trans has more to do with ignorance. People don't understand us, know what we go through. In my experience the more people are exposed to and informed about the reality of transgender, the more accepting they are.

[wendy]

I both agree and disagree. I think that passing as cis and being stealth are being in places where people don't think you're trans and thus can't really judge you for being trans. Most of the trans men I know I wouldn't say are handsome, I don't think trans men are more stable or have more manners than cis men.

Nygeel it is difficult to communicate effectively within community.  I am not stealth in my neighborhood unless someone does not recognize me.  If you are stealth and live where they do not know you then you would not have many repercussions from society.  Yes that would influence someone's reality.

Many centuries ago eunuchs guarded King's wives, taught King's children, and gave King counsel.  They were highly regarded by a very powerful person.

Too funny on your perception of trans men not being more stable than trans women and not having more manners than cis-men.   Guess trans men try to impress some of us at group meetings.  Sorry Nygeel.  You look handsome unless that is someone else's picture. 

[Dawn Heart]

On the specific issues of hatred and violent reaction:

The more violent the reaction is, the more it is a marker of evidence for knowing that the criminal offender has trans issues him/herself. Most LGBTIQ - phobic people with extreme spectrum violent behavior have some sort of history relating to LGBTIQ issues. Their own self-image, hatred of self, lack of self-esteem, lack of social skills, certain obsessions, etc., are very common traits found in these people. There are other things, but I wanted to just give the most common knowledge.

I learned about all of this growing up in the LGBT community. I saw it first hand, and I unfortunately also witnessed LGBT on LGBT violence as a result of tensions in the community between LGBT factions. This goes to say that it isn't just the straight people who have wrongful reactions. Incidents of hatred happen across the spectrum, though the LGBT community tends to honestly be more responsible about handling these issues when they occur than most other demographics in the community.

My opinion on that is that it goes to show that we know our own and we therefore know the unique needs and we know how to address the needs. Those problem solving solutions do not always happen overnight, but they do happen.

Nygeel it is difficult to communicate effectively within community.  I am not stealth in my neighborhood unless someone does not recognize me.  If you are stealth and live where they do not know you then you would not have many repercussions from society.  Yes that would influence someone's reality.

Many centuries ago eunuchs guarded King's wives, taught King's children, and gave King counsel.  They were highly regarded by a very powerful person.

Too funny on your perception of trans men not being more stable than trans women and not having more manners than cis-men.   Guess trans men try to impress some of us at group meetings.  Sorry Nygeel.  You look handsome unless that is someone else's picture. 

Let's not generalize here! There is no evidence of any of this even in straight people who are CIS of either gender. It all boils down to a person's willingness to conduct themselves as reasonable people, and to remember the consequences for their actions.     

[Nygeel]

@wendy I was comparing trans men and cis men. I feel that generally there's a spectrum of how people act and that there's no specific one way that fits all trans men or all cis men. Sure there are some cis men that are super polite and some that are super douchey, same is of trans men.

Let's take Jenna Talackova as an example. Passes as cis, and fits the general recognized stereotype of what an attractive woman should be...but she still got a lot of hate as a trans woman.

[wendy]

Let's not generalize here! There is no evidence of any of this even in straight people who are CIS of either gender. It all boils down to a person's willingness to conduct themselves as reasonable people, and to remember the consequences for their actions.   

Reality is sample to which we are exposed.  Males are trained at birth to eat as if it were their last meal.  In fact male throat is larger than female thoat so that they can physiologically eat faster.

Females are trained to cut their food and eat in small bites.

When each group changes their gender their training as a youngster remains part of their original gender presentation.

New gender traits have to be relearned.

FTM's have more manners than MTF's at my meetings.  Many MTF's shovel food while FTM's eat in small bites.

It is so funny to watch an MTF eat a hotdog in one stuff while FTM's break it into multiple sections and each each section independently.

@wendy I was comparing trans men and cis men. I feel that generally there's a spectrum of how people act and that there's no specific one way that fits all trans men or all cis men. Sure there are some cis men that are super polite and some that are super douchey, same is of trans men.

Nygeel men are trained to hold doors.  When we were leaving group meeting I took door from dominant FTM for next person.  No one took door from me and I held door for everyone else.   Dominant FTM relinquished control of door to person in female presentation.   After incident  FTM's were making fun of FTM for relinquishing control of door to MTF.  I was trying to be nice.

[Nygeel]

Reality is sample to which we are exposed.  Males are trained at birth to eat as if it were their last meal.  In fact male throat is larger than female thoat so that they can physiologically eat faster.

Females are trained to cut their food and eat in small bites,

When each group changes their gender their training as a youngster remains part of their original gender presentation.

This has to be relearned.

FTM's have more manners than MTF's at my meetings.  Many MTF's shovel food while FTM's eat in small bites.

It is so funny to watch an MTF eat a hotdog in one stuff while FTM's break it into multiple sections and each each section independently.

Weird. I grew up in a large family so I eat as much as I can pretty quickly. There's also plenty of female competitive eaters. Sonya Thomas (The Black Widow) holds the record in over 25 eating competitions and even beat out Takeru Kobayashi (who won the Nathans Hot Dog Eating contest every year from 2001-2006).

I will say I've never seen anybody break a hot dog into multiple sections unless they were sharing it.

[wendy]

Weird. I grew up in a large family so I eat as much as I can pretty quickly. There's also plenty of female competitive eaters. Sonya Thomas (The Black Widow) holds the record in over 25 eating competitions and even beat out Takeru Kobayashi (who won the Nathans Hot Dog Eating contest every year from 2001-2006).

I will say I've never seen anybody break a hot dog into multiple sections unless they were sharing it.

Sorry Nigeel I am chuckling.  Men take a hot dog and bite half and use back of hand to shovel rest of it in mouth.  It is a one mouthful process that is not ladylike. We have some girls that are reasonably attractive but are 6'5'' and 6'4'' they eat like ranch hands.  Unfortunately my appetite has not changed and I am guilty as chared.  Nigeel this probably has a correlation to age since longer you have a bad habit, more difficult it is to change.

[wendy]

Wow!!!!!!!! Hot dogs ... really?!
Not sure I aught to laugh, or cry, or say what? Just as well I never had to see it too close. Eish.

You see A LOT has to do with a person's early socialization. A lot.

I watch girls eat french fries and they eat one at a time.  I watch guys eat french fries and they grab handfuls and shovel them into mouth.  I watch girls load their fork about 1/3 of way up.  I watch guys load their fork and food is hanging over sides.  Women take a sip of water and guys guzzle it.

Swallowing a hot dog whole or licking platter clean might be of use one day.

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Survey says society judges Trans people in a negative manner.

[Catherine Sarah]

WOW!!!!

With something like 95% of respondants reporting between "mostly and highly" agree, I must be the redneck in the group. You guessed it. Mine is the only "slightly disagree" vote to date.

A recent US investigation into discrimination and abuse suffered by the TG community, reported figures in excess of 50% in a majority of the subsections the report covered. However the result of this poll has my head spinning.

In my daily travels, I certainly couldn't see "most to highly agree" result happening to me, with the people I come in contact with. I would have to say, that roughly between 4 to 8% max. of the people I come directly in contact with on a daily basis, may, have some level of suspicion as to my authenticity, with, what I perceive to vary between very mild to perhaps, I'm not authentic.

Mine you, I have no idea on the perception of those that I don't come directly in contact with, who may be able to spot a TG from 50 paces.

Now moving my head closer to the chopping block, I'm tending to think such a high result from this poll may constitute a perception abberation or an attitudinal position from those that engaged in the poll. (You may now bring down the axe)

Would anyone care to comment before I lose consciousness and bleed to death. I'd hate this to be all in vain. You have to remember, you are dealing with a "glass overflowing" girl here. None of this half full half empty nonsense.   

With love and respect
Huggs
Catherine