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What aspect of womanhood is most important to YOU?

Apparel (freedom to wear women's clothes, cosmetics)
Apparel (freedom to wear women's clothes, cosmetics)
Body (genitals, breasts, facial features, menstrual cycle etc)
Heterosexual relationship with a man
In touch with emotional self
Lesbian relationship with a woman
Motherhood
Other (please be specific)

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Rachel

Re: What aspect of womanhood is most important to YOU?
« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2007, 11:34:32 pm »
i agree with kate....i mean while i would not want DDD breasts, merely for the inconveinience of it, (i would rather have a B or C myself) maybe some TS would want to have breasts that large

katia

Re: What aspect of womanhood is most important to YOU?
« Reply #21 on: March 22, 2007, 12:11:06 am »
It should be recognized that some or all of these things ARE important to many people. Everyone has their own - and perfectly valid - priorities and needs.

I highly doubt that there is any gg on earth that thinks DDD boobs and lingerie is the most important aspect of their femininity - or any true TS for that matter.

Bri


night gowns, sexy lingerie, corsets, stockings, heels, pantyhose, silky soft tops, triple D breasts, is this the answer you're looking for?  ::) ::) ::)

It should be recognized that some or all of these things ARE important to many people. Everyone has their own - and perfectly valid - priorities and needs.

Kate

True, they ARE important to transvestites and crossdressers.

I went with acceptance too by the way.



clever girls!  & just to elaborate on the subject:


Quote from: transsexual.org
Think about the difference -which is very, very great- between the transvestite, and the transsexual.

A transvestite is -almost without exception- a male who develops, just around puberty, a fetishistic sexual obsession with dressing and appearing as the -opposite- sex. This behavior causes the transvestite strong sexual feelings and sexual pleasure. Transvestites have no desire to actually become the opposite sex, because the thrill comes from the conflict between being male, yet appearing female. If a transvestite undergoes sex reassignment, it would destroy them as surely as it would any normal male, because -except for the sexual kink involving dressing up as a woman- they are otherwise exceedingly normal males.

The transsexual very, very commonly knows that they are the wrong physical sex before puberty. Where transvestism is learned, transsexuality is inborn. Transsexuals -which occur equally in MTF and FTM flavors- may begin dressing as the opposite sex, to feel better. When puberty kicks in, they may even share in some of the transvestites pleasure in dressing up, because sex in general becomes very powerful at puberty. However, for the transsexual, dressing up is not ever the true issue. Transsexuality has NOTHING to do with clothing, make-up, or jewelry. Transsexuality is about gender identity.

For the MTF transsexual, when the sex drive diminishes, alters, it pretty much tends to separate the boys from the girls. A lowered sex drive would tend make a transvestite feel odd and out of balance. Dressing up would have less of an attraction, and the sexual attraction of dressing up is what defines the transvestite. All the fun would start to go away.

Yet for the true transsexual, the lowering of sex drive is most often extremely welcomed. It becomes a point of comfort and salvation. The same loss of any sexual obsession with clothing occurs, but the transsexual does not care. Dressing up was never the real point. Instead, the transsexual simply feels better, and the loss of male hormone effects is a relief, if anything.

So, in summary, female hormones would generally feel uncomfortable to a transvestite, and remove most of their pleasure in their obsession, if taken in sufficient dosages to equal that of a transsexual. It can be a useful lesson for the questioning person.

However, for the transsexual, that same loss of male sex drive, and any obsession, leads to a feeling of peace and balance. Nothing feels lost, instead, everything feels gained.

Understanding that, you can answer your question yourself. By your statements, it would seem you already have.

The strong differences that separate the transvestite from the transsexual remain, in that even with such fetishes, for the transsexual, there is horror, and pain, and unending torment, that comes from a matter of identity, a matter of having the wrong body, the wrong life. The transvestite has no desire to change the flesh, at least not the genitals, not for real, and for the transsexual it is life or death itself to correct the misery.

Fetishes for clothing or not, this is what ultimately separates the transvestite from the transsexual......whether or not it is deemed of dire need to correct the body and the life, permanently, forever. As long as the individual would face even death itself for the opportunity to live as the sex they know themselves to truly be, then nothing else, really, is of consequence.

We use the fetish issue to help separate confused, obsessed transvestites from making a decision that could lead to their ruin and even death. It is an overwhelming statistical likelihood that a transsexual will not have such a fetish, or will not have such a fetish consume them. It is the definition of transvestism that clothing and appearance is the core of it. For the transsexual, identity is the core of the definition. Sometimes, however, the unfortunate transvestite confuses the situation, and sometimes the confused transsexual fails to understand the difference.

[not] the topic of the thread but [important] to explain. ;)

POSH

Re: What aspect of womanhood is most important to YOU?
« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2007, 08:13:48 pm »
I know for a fact. That the treatment and acceptantce by society as a woman is most important to me.


I feel this way becuase I am a woman. And like every other Genetic woman in this society and abroad, It is only fair and deserving that I be treated in such a manor. Even though I was born male, I have put forth countless efforts at becoming more and more outwardly appearing female, so making each day more and more easier for society to accept me for whom I really am. Luckily it did not take much for society to accept me as whom I am...lol :D

Melissa

Re: What aspect of womanhood is most important to YOU?
« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2007, 05:27:29 pm »
night gowns, sexy lingerie, corsets, stockings, heels, pantyhose, silky soft tops, triple D breasts, is this the answer you're looking for?  ::) ::) ::)

It should be recognized that some or all of these things ARE important to many people. Everyone has their own - and perfectly valid - priorities and needs.

Kate

True, they ARE important to transvestites and crossdressers.

I went with acceptance too by the way.

They're important to some GGs as well.  Either way, I think they're fun, but definitely not a priority.  You don't have to hate having breasts and dressing in women's clothing to be TS.  In fact, that may be more indicative that a person is an ordinary male since they hate having breasts and dressing in women's clothing. ;)

As an example, my ex has (natural) DDD breasts and likes dressing in various pieces of lingerie.

I think some people just need to realize that there is no secret set of rules to follow to have GID.  I'm a female inside (I don't even identify as TS) and I have my likes and dislikes just like any other woman and I don't feel I need somebody to tell me what I should like and dislike.

I love wearing skirts a lot of the time, but that definitely was not my reason for transitioning.  They don't seem "sexy" to me, but rather they just feel right.  I view it as one of the perks. :)

MeganRose

Re: What aspect of womanhood is most important to YOU?
« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2007, 06:30:27 pm »
OK, so I voted for the "acceptance" option a while ago - but now I'm not too sure.

Obviously, being accepted as a woman is important to me - it was definitely one of the major reasons in why I transistioned in the first place. I already knew I was a woman - I wanted the rest of the world to be able to see that, understand that, and accept that. And for the most part, I have that now.

The thing is though - I already knew that I was a woman before anyone else could see it or accept it. And in the instances where I have not been accepted - these have not made me feel any less of a woman. They haven't affected the way I see myself at all, at least in regards to my gender. To me, after a bit of thought, it looks like even though acceptance is a very important goal for transition, I don't think I can call it an "aspect of womanhood".

There are a lot of things that I cherish about being a woman. The fact that I can engage with people on a much more emotional level than I could before. The closeness I feel in the new relationships I've made, something that was never there before. That I can see myself as an attractive person now, and sometimes other people can see me as that as well. That I feel empowered, confident enough to be the centre of attention if I need to be. But also confident enough to let myself be seen as vulnerable.

I don't think I can choose. It's all important to me.

Megan

katia

Re: What aspect of womanhood is most important to YOU?
« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2007, 06:31:48 pm »
oh,  girls can wear whatever they want, yet if a man has a [sexual fetish] for sexy lingerie, ddd breasts and high heels, [he] should definitely get a second opinion for [his] so called [gender issues].

taru

Re: What aspect of womanhood is most important to YOU?
« Reply #26 on: April 13, 2007, 02:11:41 am »
I know my gender and don't need transitioning to convince myself. Of course the pre-op body has major deficiences, but then again not everyone does have a correct body. At least I am not missing all my limbs.

Acceptance in society is one of my main reasons for transitioning. It is just not possible to be accepted in society at large [as female] without transition of some kind.

Taking all the risks and problems of transitioning and not getting acceptance (or at least being read as a non-man) would probably not have been worth it for me (as there would have been the quick and easy alternative).

Yvonne

Re: What aspect of womanhood is most important to YOU?
« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2007, 09:58:06 pm »
night gowns, sexy lingerie, corsets, stockings, heels, pantyhose, silky soft tops, triple D breasts, is this the answer you're looking for?  ::) ::) ::)

It should be recognized that some or all of these things ARE important to many people. Everyone has their own - and perfectly valid - priorities and needs.

Kate

True, they ARE important to transvestites and crossdressers.

I went with acceptance too by the way.

They're important to some GGs as well. 

Not as a sexual quick though.  We're talking about when WEIRD MEN  wear female clothes as a SEXUAL FETISH.   I don't know any woman who has a sickened sexual fetish for lingerie yet.

Kate

Re: What aspect of womanhood is most important to YOU?
« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2007, 11:42:59 pm »
Not as a sexual quick though.  We're talking about when WEIRD MEN  wear female clothes as a SEXUAL FETISH.   I don't know any woman who has a sickened sexual fetish for lingerie yet.

Awl geez Yvonne, we don't judge people like that here. They're NOT weird or "sick" hon. To each their own, ya know? Most people think TSs are nuts or perverted too, ya know?

Kate

Rachel

Re: What aspect of womanhood is most important to YOU?
« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2007, 11:50:28 pm »
Not as a sexual quick though.  We're talking about when WEIRD MEN  wear female clothes as a SEXUAL FETISH.   I don't know any woman who has a sickened sexual fetish for lingerie yet.

Awl geez Yvonne, we don't judge people like that here. They're NOT weird or "sick" hon. To each their own, ya know? Most people think TSs are nuts or perverted too, ya know?

Kate
Kate has a good point

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Re: What aspect of womanhood is most important to YOU?
« Reply #30 on: April 14, 2007, 11:58:43 pm »
Acceptance as a woman.

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Re: What aspect of womanhood is most important to YOU?
« Reply #31 on: May 23, 2007, 09:10:04 am »
This one is pretty easy for me, I think the emotional side is most important to me. To finally feel aligned, feel like everything is congruent. I think from that, the others things listed can become a reality. Without that, I think many of the other things listed become more like things I would pursue without really being happy.

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Re: What aspect of womanhood is most important to YOU?
« Reply #32 on: May 24, 2007, 02:54:00 pm »
Out of all the choices, I voted for the first - acceptance.

To be frank, i would honestly have to say for myself, "All of the above". 

Motherhood ranks very strongly for me - probably second or third along with what i would like to achieve as far as physical congruence. As well, since i truly consider myself a VERY girly girl, i love my clothes and accessories and finally having the unhindered freedom to finally wear such as i please.
 
Since I am already married to an incredible woman, got that one covered.

I find that more and more as i progress, I don't mind entertaining the thought(s) of having relationships with Hetero males, (of course, strictly and ONLY as a woman) either. As most of you know, i tend to be pretty open about alot of this stuff.

As far as spiritual/mental/emotional, I think this has finally happened in many more ways for me now than ever before in my life, simply as a natural side-effect of finally beginning the road towards greater self-congruence and self-actualization. I continue to see improvements in my abilities to move forward, and address my issues and others in my life more clearly and honestly than ever before.

As Rhonda13000 put it so well in one of her posts - "Multiple, Concurrent, healing processes" - that is definitely true in my case of deeply personal internal experience.

Being more comfortable in my own skin after more than 30 years of conflict and misery gives a great boost of joy to my daily living, and helps alot in many ways.

I think that the way these polls are set up are far too limiting sometimes, and it might be helpful to give us the option to choose more than one category at once, if possible, although "other" sort of gives that option.

I think that the spectrum of gender identity/sexual expression/orientation is exactly six-billion-plus individual points on the line of humanity as a whole. Every single one of us falls at a uniquely different point on that line, whether you are willing to admit that or not. No matter how "clinically" close you are to another's "standard", you are still not the same in every way as that person, and must be willing to accept and understand that.

Just because someone is a specific way as an individual, does not make them sick, or weird. I was called those things all my childhood and still am by anyone that does not understand GID and thinks of it only in sexual terms. Does that mean they are correct - ? No - of course not.

I openly admitted to my therapist this week that i am very strongly emotionally bigoted towards gay drag queens, drag kings, and female impersonators, but only because these things seem to support the typical negative stereotypical views that so many would like to continue to categorize those of us into, that suffer with much more severe forms of GID than many others in the spectrum. I know that this is wrong, even though these are my feelings, and i accept that I will have to work on it.

We are the same, all human, but all distinctively unique at the same time. I wish people would stop being so intellectually possesive of what they consider to be "their" territory. I think it wastes time and energy and is very bad for the human community, and this community of those that openly stand outside the "norms" of modern society and culture as a whole.

If you have ever been put down, or put aside, simply for your differences as an individual, why in the hell would you ever wish to do that same to others ? No names, but must be that you need to do this to somehow validate and define yourself more clearly, and that is truly sad in and of itself. Typical bully behavior, and far too closely reminiscent of bigoted elitism which will only help to divide further, not unite in shared understanding and acceptance of one another.

Just because an individual has never personally known another woman with a sexy lingerie fetish - does that mean there are none ? You think the entire lingerie industry is only supported by men and weirdos ? Puhhhleeeaase - give me a break. That sounds more like the old-school masculine and religious arguments that women are not allowed to openly or strongly express and experience their own sexuality as we as individuals would wish to do, unless it's done with the lights off and behind closed doors.

Might as well start wearing a veil over my face and a muslin shift for a dress again, by that kind of reckoning.

I AM a VERY sensual woman. I don't consider myself a fetishist by any means, but DO I (sometimes) deeply love certain "sexy" things that accentuate my body, and my OWN individual self-image as a girl ? -
HELL, YES.....

Am i just as at home and comfortable these days in jeans, a tank top, almost no makeup, w/sandals and a baseball cap - Uhhhh - yeah...
 
Got a Beautiful light PINK fitted Chef's Jacket that my sister in law gave me, too...

Love that one - i look sexy in it, too - even with my baseball cap on and sweating like a river a minute.. - nice and tight in all the right places but VERY professional looking, too...
Same answer as hell yes.

Have i ever known biological women that also greatly enjoyed such things as part of naturally expressing who they are and what they like as individuals ? - definitely. Sick and weird ? I do not believe so.


Thanks,

Sincerely,
LoveForever,


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Re: What aspect of womanhood is most important to YOU?
« Reply #33 on: April 14, 2019, 06:24:20 pm »
more in touch with my emotional self, relationships are far more important today. Although I certainly enjoy the freedoms of dress and style being female has available to me....
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