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what kind of god would do this to us?
« on: September 13, 2014, 10:36:37 pm »
I am wondering about this tonight....If there is a god and he's supposed to be perfect then why would he make us feel like we're not the gender we're "supposed" to be....?

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Re: what kind of god would do this to us?
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2014, 10:55:43 pm »
While I am not the religious types, I do have certain beliefs. Suppose I'm agnostic. Anyway, as much as it sucks, and we all know it does at times, it could be so much worse. There are far bigger obstacles and disorders than being transgender that other people have to go through. So if you're questioning the existence of God, I think there are far better examples than gender identity.

However, finding the strength to overcome these obstacles and the faith you'll make it through could also be an example of some divine power. I don't know. God isn't supposed to be a magic genie who grants wishes and makes everything perfect for everyone. It's all about faith and that faith in turn is supposed to make someone stronger.

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Re: what kind of god would do this to us?
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2014, 11:17:47 pm »
If such a perfect god existed people would not be born blind, deaf, with limbs missing, messed up faces, mental retardation, etc. so just add being trans to the list.

I subscribe more to the theory that our spirit, our soul, chooses our physical life expression. In which case, why would we do this to ourself? For me it was to learn I didn't have to adhere to social strictures, to learn I was in charge of my own destiny, to have the courage to stand up for myself, to live my life to the fullest without placing blame, without hating myself despite what I perceive as my deformities, to love myself to be grateful for what I do have in life and be grateful that I wasn't born with any of the disabilities I mentioned above.

Sure, I would have rather been born cis female, I wasn't, I'm trans female and that makes life a bit of a challenge. But I will never take being a woman for granted, I know more about gender than most cis people, if they choose to accept me that's great, if not, that's their problem. Sometimes I feel despair at what I feel I may have missed out on and my effed up biology, but other times I'm incredibly grateful and wouldn't have it any other way.

What a great life. What a great journey. That's why my soul, or a god, or nothing at all, did "this" to me.
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Re: what kind of god would do this to us?
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2014, 11:21:59 pm »
I've asked this question often as well. It's not really the original reason I stopped following any religion (I'm also agnostic btw), but does back up my reasons to not put my faith into any god. If a god created me this way, then I want nothing to do with them. It seems like either some sick joke or a twisted experiment, and I wouldn't appreciate being a lab rat. I really just picture a god who would do this as the kid sitting over an ant hill with a magnifying glass laughing at the ants as the burns them.

I am still spiritual, but I'll put my faith where it will help me more instead of hurt me.

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Re: what kind of god would do this to us?
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2014, 04:44:18 am »
As always, Ms. Grace has a great reply.. I tend to feel very similar most of the time, and hopefully use my faith, love and hope to make others feel better about whatever they're facing or struggling with..

Personally I am quite sick some days from an illness, and unable to have the energy to get out and do things, and for me those very bad days have brought me to a closer relationship with God, some days we talk as if God was sitting with me, and maybe he was, but it helped me get through some very bad days, and I'm left thankful for that, with a stronger faith because of it..
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Re: what kind of god would do this to us?
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2014, 05:30:51 am »
I believe we are here for a reason and that reason may be to continue our personal growth or to help others to complete their grow and path, every time we die we have the option to come back and to continue that path, our suffering is to be able to figure that path out and to keep growing as a whole.

I also believe in a God, a God that gave us the freedom to make our own decisions and to choose our paths by using our own convictions and experiences.

A movie once mentioned something about a perfect world :
"The first Matrix failed because it was too perfect. It was a virtual paradise, a utopia for humanity. Unfortunately, humans are not accustomed to living in a perfect world, and the test subjects rejected the simulation because it just wasn't right." << The Matrix Reloaded >>

For me that quote is perfect to describe why God allows people to be blind, deaf, transgender, etc. Can you imagine us living in a perfect world? We would not have to make any options, it would be horrible, everything would be already done and people would not have anything to look forward to.

When i was a kid I used to go to bed crying and asking God why this happened to me, asking to be a girl when i woke up the next day, I did not understand my feelings and the reason for me to be in a wrong body, but not matter what, every time i made a choice i made it thinking that it would helped me reach my goal not matter what.

I am 37, and I had to go thru several experiences to get where i am, but these past experiences are the ones that helped me understand my path and helped me accomplished my goal, it took me 35 years to understand as well as to get in peace with myself to be able to make the final decision and to reach my goal, but not matter what, I do no regret any single moment for the last 37 years, I would gladly go thru all of it again and as Ms Grace mentioned, these experiences helped me "to learn I didn't have to adhere to social strictures, to learn I was in charge of my own destiny, to have the courage to stand up for myself, to live my life to the fullest without placing blame, without hating myself despite what I perceive as my deformities, to love myself to be grateful for what I do have in life and be grateful that I wasn't born with any of the disabilities I mentioned above." << Quote from Ms Grace from Post #2 >>

The only thing i can say is, be strong, plan your life and have personal goals, try to accomplish each of your goals not matter how long they take, but most important, always be you no matter what, even if you are not able to show your real feminine you for a long time make sure that every decision you make is done thinking that it will reduce the path to get to your main goal.
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Re: what kind of god would do this to us?
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2014, 06:35:13 am »
If such a perfect god existed people would not be born blind, deaf, with limbs missing, messed up faces, mental retardation, etc. so just add being trans to the list.

I subscribe more to the theory that our spirit, our soul, chooses our physical life expression. In which case, why would we do this to ourself?

This whole post was remarkable. The only thing I'd really care to add to it, is that I do not believe the two quoted concepts are mutually exclusive.

EDIT: Perhaps also, that the entire concept of "perfection," per the OP, is an entirely human one and, as such, flawed and not easily understood. Perhaps it's not even relevant. It is what it is, and we can only play the cards we are dealt, however we see fit. Nobody, not even any god, can or will change that.

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Re: what kind of god would do this to us?
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2014, 07:22:19 am »
A movie once mentioned something about a perfect world :
"The first Matrix failed because it was too perfect. It was a virtual paradise, a utopia for humanity. Unfortunately, humans are not accustomed to living in a perfect world, and the test subjects rejected the simulation because it just wasn't right." << The Matrix Reloaded >>

This is notable, by the way, in that Lana Wachowski was one of two writers/directors of The Matrix series, and rumors of her possible transition began circulating right around the time Reloaded was released. So this is a reflection that could very well have come from her.

Human biology is, in many ways, like a program. Its code generally adheres to a specified norm, and genetic/congenital mutations occur at a small enough % frequency that the species can handle & benefit from them without its integrity as a system being compromised by too much mutation that is not useful.

People who are not born cisgender are, despite the challenges and struggles, uniquely gifted at a ratio far higher than the population norm, and have been of integral benefit to humanity in myriad cultures over the ages as a "good" mutation.

I generally see leaping to notions of spirituality on matters like this as a myopic, self-centered view. I prefer to seek rational explanations first.

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Re: what kind of god would do this to us?
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2014, 07:57:10 am »
Why wouldn't a perfect God make people trans?

The idea that God somehow made a "mistake" by making us trans is one of the most damaging ideas in the community. I assert this because if we tell a person of faith that a perfect God made a mistake with us well, God is perfect, God can't make mistakes, so the person of faith is now free to beleive that we are turning our back on God to live a sinful lifestyle.

I propose being trans is a challenge God gave us to rise up to. I was a partisan, biased, close minded, judgemental jerk pre transition. Not to mention an alcoholic with anger issues from turning my back on God's will. Choosing to embrace God's plan for me was like the ultimate stage dive. I had to trust the world that someone out there would catch me and, woundn't you know it, an amazing array of people did from all walks of life. People I thought would hate me, would condemn me actually caught and encouraged me blowing a hole in all my preconceived notions of "people". Transition was my healing moment from being born trans.

I don't know how much more effective a being made trans is God's plan argument could be in the place of God made a mistake. My hope is at the very least by avoiding calling being trans a "mistake" a conversation could be started.

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Re: what kind of god would do this to us?
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2014, 09:03:55 am »
If such a perfect god existed people would not be born blind, deaf, with limbs missing, messed up faces, mental retardation, etc. so just add being trans to the list.

I subscribe more to the theory that our spirit, our soul, chooses our physical life expression. In which case, why would we do this to ourself? For me it was to learn I didn't have to adhere to social strictures, to learn I was in charge of my own destiny, to have the courage to stand up for myself, to live my life to the fullest without placing blame, without hating myself despite what I perceive as my deformities, to love myself to be grateful for what I do have in life and be grateful that I wasn't born with any of the disabilities I mentioned above.

Sure, I would have rather been born cis female, I wasn't, I'm trans female and that makes life a bit of a challenge. But I will never take being a woman for granted, I know more about gender than most cis people, if they choose to accept me that's great, if not, that's their problem. Sometimes I feel despair at what I feel I may have missed out on and my effed up biology, but other times I'm incredibly grateful and wouldn't have it any other way.

What a great life. What a great journey. That's why my soul, or a god, or nothing at all, did "this" to me.

Grace

Very similar thoughts.  I own my life and my journey.  I am just where I should be and will be just where I want to be.  My choice, my life, my reality.  If there is a God then I wish to thank them for giving me this life, this opportunity and for creating me as NB.

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Re: what kind of god would do this to us?
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2014, 10:24:14 pm »
I don't know if anyone has considered it as I may have overlooked some ideas in my haste reading but what about Job?

Those of us who are cisgender have some rather severe problems as do the ones some have mentioned such as birth defects and such. There are many who hate the lot that befell them.

The word of God shows us that after Adam and Eve sinned that sin entered the world as well as all sorts of infirmity and affliction. The scriptures about God creating perfect are prior to this. After the fall normal reproduction took place with people who were subject to sickness and affliction.

It's easy for people to love God when all goes well. Look how many flock to hear someone like Joel Osteen tell them live their best life now and make every day as Friday. What about when this is not the case?

Can we still love God when the illness is killing us and the doctor has no cure? Can we still love God when the bottom appears to have dropped out and all is going wrong?

The true test of who loves God isn't when life is always going good. The true test comes like with Job when all is going bad and all is lost. Those who still love the Lord after all of that have manifested an unconditional love for the Lord.

The wedding vows are better or worse, richer or poorer, sickness and health and in good times and bad. Naturally we all want the good, richer and healthier and it would make loving the Lord so much easier. But when we have the poorer, sicker and bad it isn't so easy and separates the wheat from the chaff and the fair weather Christians from the serious ones.

Maybe some of you have already thought about this or posted it and I missed it. If so I am sorry for repeating it. I just see these things as a test of faith and proving our love for the Lord.

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Re: what kind of god would do this to us?
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2018, 09:24:20 pm »
A god that delights in chaos, or pain, or variation?

There are some people who believe there's a being that set in motion things like time, entropy and evolution but watches impassively while the universe takes shape by these rules. A god like that might well create something like us and not have violated its own principles.

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Re: what kind of god would do this to us?
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2018, 10:29:04 pm »
My dear Western sisters. Your idea of a single god is not universal, it is ony  your Christian view. As a buddhist we can also believe in many other gods e.g. Ganisha, Kwan Yin etc. This also applies to Hindu and Shinto religions. We do not see being tg as something wrong nor right, it is simply just this life, we will have many more to come.
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Re: what kind of god would do this to us?
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2018, 12:21:47 am »
My dear Western sisters. Your idea of a single god is not universal, it is ony  your Christian view. As a buddhist we can also believe in many other gods e.g. Ganisha, Kwan Yin etc. This also applies to Hindu and Shinto religions. We do not see being tg as something wrong nor right, it is simply just this life, we will have many more to come.
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Re: what kind of god would do this to us?
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2018, 02:15:48 am »
Life each life to the fullest, live in the present moment and do no harm to others. Our tenants of a good person are so similar to your sins. Many scholars believe that Jesus, when he had 5 years of his life that that has not been accounted for went to Asia and studied buddhism which was flurishing. Buddhism is 543 years older than Christianity. Thus this year in our calander is 2561.
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Re: what kind of god would do this to us?
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2018, 11:49:31 am »
The gods in question may have wanted diversity in their creations, look at how many animals their are. The idea that anything in nature is strictly binary is flawed, and we may be a message to the intolerant to reconsider their stance

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Re: what kind of god would do this to us?
« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2018, 01:11:01 pm »
I have tried to put forth the idea that God made me trans for a reason in my "discussion" with my cousin when I came out to him, and again when he started texting me again about it this morning.  I don't think that anyone who is so against the very concept of being trans will ever accept it no matter what we say.  At least, not if what he said to me is any indication.

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Re: what kind of god would do this to us?
« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2018, 02:24:21 pm »
Because of human intervention. Misinterpretation of the word  The ability to control through fear. Making religion a capitalistic endeavour. Here are the two things that guide my direction. Love the Lord with all thy heart and Love thy neighbour as thyself. There are no greater commandments that these.


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Re: what kind of god would do this to us?
« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2018, 06:19:24 pm »
I am wondering about this tonight....If there is a god and he's supposed to be perfect then why would he make us feel like we're not the gender we're "supposed" to be....?

For me personally I am a Christian and I believe that it all started out perfect in the garden, but genetics have certainly gone down hill since the fall of Adam and Eve. You can't blame God for that. He meets us where we're at and makes the best of our situations.
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