Author Topic: What gender do you sound like when you write/type?  (Read 6084 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Illuminess

  • Dystopian Jester
  • Family
  • *****
  • Posts: 673
  • Reputation: +11/-0
  • Gender: Female
  • HRT: 11-21-14!
    • ILLUMINESS
What gender do you sound like when you write/type?
« on: December 26, 2014, 08:06:10 pm »
That's one thing that nags at me all the time. How do others interpret my writing style?
If they were to read one of my five or six paragraph rants would they think a man wrote
it or a woman? Is my diction too turgid to naturally be one gender or the other?

From my own experience reading the works of Dion Fortune, Mme. Helena Blavatsky, or
Camille Paglia clearly proves that women are fully capable of elaborate and cerebral writing
with vast and impressive vocabularies. I certainly wouldn't have thought otherwise; but we
live in a world where genders are supposed to fit their molds. Men are passionate, assertive
and intellectual; women are passive, humble and simple in thought; and any variation
outside of this "norm" is considered to be an anomaly or a peculiar turn of events for that
one individual turning them out "advanced" (i.e. "you're pretty smart...for a girl" ).

But history tells us that the women of antiquity — long before any patriarchal takeover —
were the leading minds of all higher education, scientific discovery, mathematics, art, and
so on. Many of you may take this as myth, but what I'm referring to are the civilisations
that populated Appalachia (city of Atlantis) and Oceana (city of Lemuria). Then came the
flood and washed away with flora and fauna was the goddess traditions and the high
reverence of the feminine.

So, I think it's important to bring into focus a woman's genius, and that — with proper
understanding of both men and women as being equally capable of genius — it is
completely impossible to identify gender in printed word. And honestly, I'd rather not
run into a situation where someone decides to accuse me of being male from writing
something highly verbose and exceptionally nuanced in the subjects of psychology,
or religion, or sociology.

Would you say this is a valid point or am I being too paranoid?
△ ☾ Rıνεя Aяıп Lαυяıε ☽ △

“Despair holds a sweetness that only an artist's tongue can taste.”Illuminess

ThePhoenix

Re: What gender do you sound like when you write/type?
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2014, 08:28:44 pm »
I sometimes play a game called Bad Eggs Online.  The only way to communicate us via a text chat.  There is no voice chat.  There are no pictures, video, or voice.  But there are a lot of horny teenagers.

One day, I got tired of being hit on by the kids.  So I changed my avatar to a male avatar.  People promptly started telling me the various things I was doing wrong.  As in, "if you want people to think you're a guy, you need to do _______."  So no one was fooled and, after a few games, I gave up.

Then, some months later, I was having again dealing with annoying teens.  So I did the same thing.  And again had the same result. 

It's was very weird.  I still have no idea what happened there or how anyone would know that I wasn't quite male.

But I guess it shows that a part of gender is its performance.  How we talk and how we act are gender cues as much as how we look.  And that applies even to what we write in pure text. 

Marcellow

Re: What gender do you sound like when you write/type?
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2014, 08:44:00 pm »
If I didn't tell people I was female back before I knew about being FTM, everyone assumed I was male.

Offline BunnyBee

  • ...whatever
  • Family
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,249
  • Reputation: +120/-0
  • Gender: Female
  • Buzzzzzz
Re: What gender do you sound like when you write/type?
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2014, 09:00:37 pm »
I have no idea how my writing is perceived, tbh.  I would say the difference in writing between genders probably has more to do with style and structure than vocabulary or intellect tho.

Offline Illuminess

  • Dystopian Jester
  • Family
  • *****
  • Posts: 673
  • Reputation: +11/-0
  • Gender: Female
  • HRT: 11-21-14!
    • ILLUMINESS
Re: What gender do you sound like when you write/type?
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2014, 09:57:26 pm »
I have no idea how my writing is perceived, tbh.  I would say the difference in writing between genders probably has more to do with style and structure than vocabulary or intellect tho.

I've always been terrible at vocalising my thoughts and feelings (thanks, Asperger's), so writing naturally became my outlet. I never expressed myself in any particular gender direction. I think growing up and being immersed in the expected social environments plays a big part in how one might tend to have a recognisable male or female style.

I only ever had one or two friends at a time. My childhood bestie was a tomboy, and we'd run around letting our imaginations run wild as we'd seek out invisible creatures and creep ourselves out with fantastical ideas about what might be lurking in the window of some abandoned house or the deep of the woods. When we'd play with Ninja Turtle action figures we weren't battling the baddies with lots of sound effects; we'd actually create unique storylines while giving them dialog that you might see in some supernatural drama.

I never joined in with any boy activities, or played any sports, or did any "rough-housing". It was always about creating elaborate fantasies, playing piano, reading, writing, drawing and singing along to Mariah Carey or New Kids On The Block (that is, until I discovered progressive rock when I was 13).

So, I can't even contemplate what my writing style says about me, gender-wise. I always knew — somewhere in some vague place in my brain — that I was different. I even experimented in the bathroom with clothes and makeup, but still it never crossed my mind why I did it. I've always just been Me, whatever that was.

The only thing I can think of that would suggest any underlying masculinity is how much I rely on logic and reason, but only from a philosophical place. I've always been equally emotionally sensitive. It's like I have no Left-Brain or Right-Brain dominance. I just know who I am, and the only way to express that fully is through this transition.

Here are two quotes from two different people. Tell me which one you think came from a man and which one came from a woman:

"No enunciation of the Truth will ever be complete, no method of training will ever be suitable for all temperaments, no one can do more than mark out the little plot of infinity which he intends to cultivate, and thrust in the spade, trusting that the soil may eventually be fruitful and free from weeds so far as the bounds he has set himself extend....”

“Plato defined good as threefold in character: good in the soul, expressed through the virtues; good in the body, expressed through the symmetry and endurance of the parts; and good in the external world, expressed through social position and companionship.”
△ ☾ Rıνεя Aяıп Lαυяıε ☽ △

“Despair holds a sweetness that only an artist's tongue can taste.”Illuminess

Offline Ms Grace

  • Gendernaut
  • Family
  • *****
  • *
  • Posts: 11,627
  • Reputation: +215/-0
  • Gender: Female
  • Going boldly where no cis person has gone before!
    • Magellan
Re: What gender do you sound like when you write/type?
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2014, 10:02:20 pm »
Well, I do a lot of fiction writing and love writing (and drawing) female characters. Even before I came out and transitioned people told me that they loved my female characters because they were so natural and believable. That was certainly quite a compliment and it became clear that I was living vicariously through my female characters and it was helping me to cope with my dysphoria in a very significant way.
Grace
----------------------------------------------
Transition 1.0 (Julie): HRT 1989-91
Self-denial: 1991-2013
Transition 2.0 (Grace): HRT June 24 2013
Full-time: March 24, 2014 :D

Offline Peebles

  • Newbie
  • **
  • Posts: 49
  • Reputation: +0/-0
  • Gender: Female
  • princeso
Re: What gender do you sound like when you write/type?
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2014, 10:24:40 pm »
Sometimes in the voice I speak in, but usually some kind of gender neutral voice.

Offline Illuminess

  • Dystopian Jester
  • Family
  • *****
  • Posts: 673
  • Reputation: +11/-0
  • Gender: Female
  • HRT: 11-21-14!
    • ILLUMINESS
Re: What gender do you sound like when you write/type?
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2014, 10:32:43 pm »
Well, I do a lot of fiction writing and love writing (and drawing) female characters. Even before I came out and transitioned people told me that they loved my female characters because they were so natural and believable. That was certainly quite a compliment and it became clear that I was living vicariously through my female characters and it was helping me to cope with my dysphoria in a very significant way.

I imagine my female characters would be far more believable, as well, if I ever get around to writing one of my stories. Any male characters would have to be based on things I've observed, or they'd all end up seeming quite androgynous in personality. The only thing I write that isn't extensive prose is highly introspective and abstract poetry. Sometimes, though — depending on what music I'm listening to — I'll end up writing something like this: http://illuminess.net/poetry/justlikeme.htm

Regarding living vicariously, I've done that with various TV characters like "Sofie" from Carnivale, "Lisbeth" from The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo, and various roles played by Christina Ricci. Dysphoria wasn't something that came to mind, though (not that it wasn't the case). I just really felt close to those characters and wished I was like them.

When talking I'd say my prosody is very direct; all words properly enunciated. They say men speak with more slang and half-pronounced words, and I guess that's true. I've always hated slang and words like "ain't". I'm just a writer at heart, though. There's not a day that I don't visit a dictionary or a thesaurus.
△ ☾ Rıνεя Aяıп Lαυяıε ☽ △

“Despair holds a sweetness that only an artist's tongue can taste.”Illuminess

Offline Evienne

  • *
  • Posts: 519
  • Reputation: +3/-0
  • Gender: Female
  • This text is personal.
Re: What gender do you sound like when you write/type?
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2014, 12:30:11 am »
Pretty much every person I've talked to online had assumed I'm actually biologically a female. I like that, only I have problems with going to far. I know I should tell them sorry, I'm not bit many times I like they think I'm female so I don't tell them anything. Many times they'll grow attached to me the I have to tell them cuz I'm never interested in being more than friends and I've lost many friends due to this. Some don't care and are alright with it. I have one friend though I really need to tell but I've been scared and haven't been able to catch him on lately. But I really do need to tell him. Getting teal key tired of hurting people by letting them get close enough to hurt the mosy when I have to push them away.
I hereby sign this message to the understanding that it is what I said. You, the viewer, thus adhere to the adhering of this message to have been adhered.



Ticking Time bomb: 245 days (updated 03/05/20)

Offline suzifrommd

  • Woman Wannabe
  • Family
  • *****
  • Posts: 9,442
  • Reputation: +234/-0
  • GCS 6.19.2014 Dr. Kathy Rumer
Re: What gender do you sound like when you write/type?
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2014, 09:06:00 am »
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?

Offline Carrie Liz

  • The fusion of geekdom, nerdery, and fabulous!
  • Family
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,800
  • Reputation: +123/-0
  • Gender: Female
Re: What gender do you sound like when you write/type?
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2014, 01:20:11 pm »
I think it's actually less of an issue than we might think. I just read an article a few days ago about how two professors were able to "switch" genders while teaching an online class simply by using a different name, in a study designed to test how gender effects course evaluations, and the results were consistent for both of them. (The "female" professor was rated lower in professionalism, organization, and promptness, regardless of the actual gender of the professor.) So even though there are measured differences between male and female writing styles, (mainly just in that men tend to use more quantifiers, adverbs, and numerical descriptions, while women use more pronouns and possessives,) it's usually not enough that people can actually notice. Back on my days on Gamespark.com, where you chatted with people while playing chess/checkers, I was generally able to "pass" as either sex equally well, just by telling them that I was male or female.

Offline Peebles

  • Newbie
  • **
  • Posts: 49
  • Reputation: +0/-0
  • Gender: Female
  • princeso

Offline BunnyBee

  • ...whatever
  • Family
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,249
  • Reputation: +120/-0
  • Gender: Female
  • Buzzzzzz
Re: What gender do you sound like when you write/type?
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2014, 04:12:29 pm »
I think it's actually less of an issue than we might think. I just read an article a few days ago about how two professors were able to "switch" genders while teaching an online class simply by using a different name, in a study designed to test how gender effects course evaluations, and the results were consistent for both of them. (The "female" professor was rated lower in professionalism, organization, and promptness, regardless of the actual gender of the professor.) So even though there are measured differences between male and female writing styles, (mainly just in that men tend to use more quantifiers, adverbs, and numerical descriptions, while women use more pronouns and possessives,) it's usually not enough that people can actually notice. Back on my days on Gamespark.com, where you chatted with people while playing chess/checkers, I was generally able to "pass" as either sex equally well, just by telling them that I was male or female.

Probably true, but I would say there is far less difference between genders in formal writing than informal or fiction.  I can almost always tell the gender of the writer of an episode of a show I'm watching, for onstance, just mainly because of how the men and women are characterized in the story.

Offline Illuminess

  • Dystopian Jester
  • Family
  • *****
  • Posts: 673
  • Reputation: +11/-0
  • Gender: Female
  • HRT: 11-21-14!
    • ILLUMINESS
Re: What gender do you sound like when you write/type?
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2014, 04:55:31 pm »
So, based on my lengthy rhetoric, what gender do you see?
△ ☾ Rıνεя Aяıп Lαυяıε ☽ △

“Despair holds a sweetness that only an artist's tongue can taste.”Illuminess

Offline Elsa Delyth

  • Wosret
  • Friend
  • ****
  • Posts: 250
  • Reputation: +5/-0
  • Gender: Female
  • Adventurer of the human condition.
Re: What gender do you sound like when you write/type?
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2015, 04:19:18 am »
Have you tried http://www.hackerfactor.com/GenderGuesser.php?

I get weakly female, and weakly European, lol. Probably the European because I'm Canadian, and we spell words like the British, and not Americans.

I tended to find it was where I went, and what I was talking about. When I go to mainly female hang outs online, people of course assume I'm female. When I write on the philosophy forum, people assume that everyone is male, and the couple women that I know on there would rather not be known to be female, or they'll be treated differently. 
"If I can't dance, I don't want to be part of your revolution." Emma Goldman.

Offline Queen B

  • Newbie
  • **
  • Posts: 33
  • Reputation: +0/-0
  • Gender: Female
Re: What gender do you sound like when you write/type?
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2015, 05:22:45 am »
I've been told that my writing style is very male, because of my excessive cursing I guess?

Pikachu

Re: What gender do you sound like when you write/type?
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2015, 05:56:25 am »
Illuminess, it's funny you should bring this up. In the few conversations we've had via PM, I always worried that my writing wasn't as feminine and expressive as yours. And many people have told me mine is feminine. One person even refused to believe I wasn't a cis girl when I told him, based solely on my writing, lol.

So... I'd tell you not to worry about it, but it's something that is very important to me, too - how I come across in my writing.

Your writing comes across as female to me, sweetie.

Offline Illuminess

  • Dystopian Jester
  • Family
  • *****
  • Posts: 673
  • Reputation: +11/-0
  • Gender: Female
  • HRT: 11-21-14!
    • ILLUMINESS
Re: What gender do you sound like when you write/type?
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2015, 01:54:05 am »
Illuminess, it's funny you should bring this up. In the few conversations we've had via PM, I always worried that my writing wasn't as feminine and expressive as yours. And many people have told me mine is feminine. One person even refused to believe I wasn't a cis girl when I told him, based solely on my writing, lol.

So... I'd tell you not to worry about it, but it's something that is very important to me, too - how I come across in my writing.

Your writing comes across as female to me, sweetie.

What makes me wonder about it is how verbose I usually am. I write with proper grammar and punctuation; even in texts. That GenderGuesser thing always gives me Male, too. Honestly, I just don't see how it's possible to detect gender unless you're basing everything on modern diction including slang and exaggerated words like "soooo" or "amaaaazinngg". Younger females are often far more emotive and musical in both speech and writing. When you read the words of a woman who is writing something philosophical or informative all specific gender markers disappear.

Anyway, whether or not someone reads my words and thinks one gender or the other is far less important than whether or not what I'm saying is taking root in their minds. How my writing is appreciated means more to me than how it's being interpreted. If I come across with a female vibe, then that's just a lovely bonus! I'll take it. :P
△ ☾ Rıνεя Aяıп Lαυяıε ☽ △

“Despair holds a sweetness that only an artist's tongue can taste.”Illuminess

Valerie Rose

Re: What gender do you sound like when you write/type?
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2015, 02:31:16 am »
On that gender hacker thingy I got:

Genre: Informal                                                  Genre: Formal
  Female = 1631                                                    Female = 2496
  Male   = 1046                                                      Male   = 1606
  Difference = -585; 39.07%                                 Difference = -890; 39.15%
  Verdict: FEMALE                                                  Verdict: FEMALE

from 1333 words from a short story about a girl.

well I don't know what think about it. maybe very accurate cause I am female or very good at guessing? because I also tested writing 1350 words a different short story about a man. So i'm guessing maybe it looks for words like marriage, handsome, man, pretty.. vs masculine type words

the second result:

Genre: Informal                                                     Genre: Formal
  Female = 2035                                                      Female = 1214
  Male   = 2560                                                        Male   = 1553
  Difference = 525; 55.71%                                     Difference = 339; 56.12%
  Verdict: Weak MALE                                               Verdict: Weak MALE

Weak emphasis could indicate European.              Weak emphasis could indicate European.

I hope I type/chat/write like a girl~! I will ask one member of this forum whom I chatted with for close to 5 hours today, she might give a more accurate response.

Offline Elsa Delyth

  • Wosret
  • Friend
  • ****
  • Posts: 250
  • Reputation: +5/-0
  • Gender: Female
  • Adventurer of the human condition.
Re: What gender do you sound like when you write/type?
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2015, 02:39:32 am »
I put something technical I wrote on the demarcation of science, and got: Total words: 912, Genre: Informal
  Female = 675
  Male   = 1970
  Difference = 1295; 74.48%
  Verdict: MALE

Genre: Formal
  Female = 981
  Male   = 1132
  Difference = 151; 53.57%
  Verdict: Weak MALE

Weak emphasis could indicate European.
"If I can't dance, I don't want to be part of your revolution." Emma Goldman.

Tags: