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Federal judge jails Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis for refusing to issue marriage licenses
Source: http://www.kentucky.com/2015/09/03/4018514_federal-judge-jails-rowan-county.html
BY JOHN CHEVES Lexington Herald-Leader, September 3, 2015

Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis was taken to jail Thursday by U.S. Marshals after a federal judge found her in contempt of court for ignoring his order to issue marriage licenses.

U.S. District Judge David Bunning ordered Davis to remain in jail until she agrees to comply with his Aug. 12 order.

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she'll serve some time , come out and start making the lecture circuit for the right wing

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she'll serve some time , come out and start making the lecture circuit for the right wing

She's a democrat. We don't want her.

Her Republican opponent actually had a good idea. Make the license application available by the internet and remove the clerk from the process.

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wow, the things you learn on Susan's. Never even thought to check what her party was.

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Kentucky clerk ordered to jail for refusing to issue gay marriage license
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2015, 04:34:57 pm »
Kentucky clerk ordered to jail for refusing to issue gay marriage license

By James Higdon and Sandhya Somashekhar, September 3

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/defiant-kentucky-clerk-could-be-found-in-contempt-thursday/2015/09/03/34e50f08-51af-11e5-9812-92d5948a40f8_story.html

A county clerk who refused on religious grounds to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples was found in contempt of court Thursday and taken into federal custody.

U.S. District Judge David L. Bunning had given Rowan County clerk Kim Davis the chance to stay out of jail if she “purged her contempt” by allowing one of her deputies to sign marriage licenses in her place. But through an attorney, Davis told the judge that “she does not grant her authority nor would allow any employee to issue those licenses.”

Davis’s decision means the 49-year-old elected public servant will be kept in custody indefinitely as the legal wrangling over her case continues.
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Re: Kentucky clerk ordered to jail for refusing to issue gay marriage license
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2015, 06:23:23 pm »
Good.

She also refused to issue license to *anyone,* even straight couples; if I decided not to do my job ever again, my employer would fire me. If I decided the law didn't apply to me and then openly defied a judge, I'd go to jail for contempt of court. I don't see why she should be an exception.

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Re: Kentucky clerk ordered to jail for refusing to issue gay marriage license
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2015, 07:19:00 pm »
One can imagine what would happen to a Quaker clerk who refused to issue gun permits... except the Quaker would have the decency not to take the job in the first place.
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Re: Kentucky clerk ordered to jail for refusing to issue gay marriage license
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2015, 07:21:33 pm »
Maybe she'll meet her future ex-girlfriend there?  ;D

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Re: Kentucky clerk ordered to jail for refusing to issue gay marriage license
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2015, 07:51:44 pm »
I know this won't be a popular opinion, but I can't help but admire Kim Davis just a little bit. I don't support Davis' beliefs, but I respect her commitment to them. When a law goes against my values, I willfully break it, so I can't reasonably judge Davis by a different standard. However, for the sake of all interested parties, I wish she had chosen to exercise her dissent by resigning her post.
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Re: Kentucky clerk ordered to jail for refusing to issue gay marriage license
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2015, 08:40:11 pm »
It's fairly obvious that her beliefs aren't religious but bigotry given the number of things in the bible she is ignoring.

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Re: Kentucky clerk ordered to jail for refusing to issue gay marriage license
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2015, 09:30:08 pm »
Yep, she's all about traditional family values.

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Re: Kentucky clerk ordered to jail for refusing to issue gay marriage license
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2015, 09:37:42 pm »
I know this won't be a popular opinion, but I can't help but admire Kim Davis just a little bit. I don't support Davis' beliefs, but I respect her commitment to them. When a law goes against my values, I willfully break it, so I can't reasonably judge Davis by a different standard. However, for the sake of all interested parties, I wish she had chosen to exercise her dissent by resigning her post.

I'd suggest that motivation for breaking the law matters quite a bit.  If you're standing up to injustice, like Rosa Parks, that's one thing.  Tearing the tag off your mattress and other things which do neither harm nor good is a second category.  If you're going out of your way to break the law just to hurt people who live their lives by their own values instead of yours, like Dylann Roof or Kim Davis, that's a horse of a different color.  Lawyers actually do differentiate between "malum prohibitum" for things which are bad just because they're illegal, and "malum in se" for things which are bad in themselves.  She's clearly doing evil here and I just can't respect that.       
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Re: Kentucky clerk ordered to jail for refusing to issue gay marriage license
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2015, 01:04:52 am »
it kind of reminds me of working at fast food places or gas stations, there are some people who you really feel should not be patrons of such places like people who count out pennies to buy 6 sandwiches or beer or cigarettes or scratch tickets with the last of there money, but they have the right to service just as anyone does. i dont respect her decision or the beliefs supposedly behind that decision, but there is something admirable about her convictions, as misplaced as they are in a legal field. basically, she should of known it was going to come up and gotten over her personal gripes a long @$$ time ago, probably back at husband number 1.

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Re: Kentucky clerk ordered to jail for refusing to issue gay marriage license
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2015, 01:14:31 am »
Yep, she's all about traditional family values.

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Re: Kentucky clerk ordered to jail for refusing to issue gay marriage license
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2015, 04:13:39 am »
To be honest I feel she has a pathological narcissistic disorder. Her self belief overrides reason.

I feel sorry for her and I hope she gets the medical help she needs and doesn't realise that she needs it.

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How long do you think she will last before she agrees to do her job?



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She's a democrat. We don't want her.

Her Republican opponent actually had a good idea. Make the license application available by the internet and remove the clerk from the process.

I am not a republican but agree this could be an option or make sure there are deputies(which there are), that couples have access to, that can grant the license.

I hate to bring judgement crashing down on my head. So, timidly I say: I don't agree with her. However, I have respect for her convictions and it is kind of refreshing to see someone stand that strongly to their beliefs(I think many people who have beliefs might fold before being sent to jail). I have been debating with myself if the duties of her office require her to do something against her religious beliefs, should she not remove herself(after all, "Give unto Ceasar what is Ceaser's".)? Is it better to stay and fight(not convinced that that is what the Bible says{her chosen source for opinion}). I don't agree but do have respect. Sadly, if she met me I don't know that she would reciprocate.

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To me this is not about standing on your convictions. The courts have to enforce court orders otherwise no one will have any incentive to obey them.