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Re: Being Christian and Transsexual
« Reply #40 on: July 10, 2016, 07:49:39 pm »
I believe in God 100%. However I am not big on religion, I don't really know which one is true and which is not.

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Re: Being Christian and Transsexual
« Reply #41 on: July 12, 2016, 01:39:42 pm »
One of my dreams as transgender is to became a priestess of an evangelical path..

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Re: Being Christian and Transsexual
« Reply #42 on: March 06, 2017, 05:47:23 pm »
It's not about "being good"... the "Law".  It's about loving God and loving our neighbors"... How do I know that?  Jesus told me!

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Re: Being Christian and Transsexual
« Reply #43 on: March 06, 2017, 08:46:57 pm »
I have been a devoted Christian for nearly 30 years. My heart aches because of the pain represented by these posts.
I am embarrassed to say that I had very little understanding of trans issues and never thought it was my issue because I did not present in the "cliche" ways which are covered in the mainstream articles one would probably see. When I finally researched my issues and was led to transgender issues I was challenged in my thinking. In looking for some guidance I came across a website called gendertree. It provided me a lot clarification and comfort. I would highly suggest it.
I do believe that the "church" as a whole will have to answer to the Lord someday for how it has treated the entire LGBT community. Very sad.
I fully understand that we can all believe what we choose, but if your eternity was at stake don't let a screwed up ambassador steer you away from a God who dearly loves you just the way you are.
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Re: Being Christian and Transsexual
« Reply #44 on: March 09, 2017, 02:33:38 pm »
It's not about "being good"... the "Law".  It's about loving God and loving our neighbors"... How do I know that?  Jesus told me!

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Re: Being Christian and Transsexual
« Reply #45 on: August 25, 2017, 12:13:12 am »
It's sad to watch so many people turn away from Jesus because of denominations, Christians, and the constant "my sin doesn't matter, but yours does" mindset.

It says the were first called Christians in Antioch.

Not straight Christians, gay Christians, transgender Christians, but Christians.

Not Baptists, Pentecostals, Catholic or anything else.

So many have forgotten, or overlooked for their own conscious that there is a sin not unto death, or sin which is not willing and can be prayed for.

There is also a sin unto death, willful sinning after knowing the truth which is blasphemy of the Holy Ghost. Jesus said that sin cannot be forgiven.

That means that if I am transgender and don't care what the Lord thinks or the word of God says I am committing a sin unto death, or blasphemy of the Holy Ghost.

This also means that if I am transgender and cannot help how I feel, what I think or how it effects my life it is a sin not unto death which can be prayed for and forgiven.

So how does this set of scriptures and their meanings effect straight and cisgender people?

If they are proud of heart and don't care what the Lord thinks or what his word says they are committing a sin unto death, or blasphemy of the Holy Ghost which can not be forgiven.

If they accidentally get lifted up with pride and do care what the Lord thinks and what his word says, just like a transgender person who cannot help how they feel, etc... , it is a sin not unto death and can be prayed for.

The problem is too many clergy so called professional and not enough preachers led of the Holy Ghost. No where in scripture do we find seminary, Christian colleges or education but in one scripture; and if memory serves me right she was a keeper of the wardrobe. Either way, being a Prophetess, she was speaking as the oracles of God by the Holy Ghost and not college teaching.

These divisions such as straight, gay, cisgender, transgender, Baptist, Pentecostal, Methodist, Presbyterian, Protestant and so on are all divisions. It is written in Proverbs that those who cause divisions are an abomination.

What doesn't matter is if I'm transgender. What does matter is if I believe in my heart the Jesus Christ is the Son of God, Jehovah, Lord God Almighty.

What does matter is if I care enough to know that scripture declares it wrong but that I trust the Lord for mercy because I cannot help it.

It's sad that people pick and choose their sins and abominations and some of us end up hurting and many lose their trust in the Lord and turn away.

Rant's over.

I hope nobody's offended. If so, I'm sorry.

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Re: Being Christian and Transsexual
« Reply #46 on: April 27, 2018, 02:36:14 pm »
I am transgender and Christian.

I've been asked many times, if I have mentioned something to do with church, "are you religious?". It does seem to confuse a lot of people when I say no, I'm not religious, but I have faith.

The problem, as I see it, is that mankind decided to dictate what people should and should not believe, think, do, not do.
Jesus was quite clear that no one should be stopped from coming to Him, that obeying all the Jewish laws wasn't enough, and that all were welcome - including those who were regarded as social outcasts of the time.

The current composition of the Bible for instance is based on decisions made by the early 300's AD, and there's lots of stuff missing for which we either have some whole chunks (as in the Apocrypha etc.) or fragments of "gospels" from the early church. So, although we have the passages about Eunuchs that have survived, I would have imagine that amongst all the people that met Jesus, and formed part of the early Church, there were LGBT people - Roman and Greek sources show that LGBT people were around in that society. But of course the early church went off down a very male dominated path over time, and so a less balanced and inclusive view of the life and events of Jesus and the teachings from the early apostles gradually developed, and it is only very recently that even the Church of England has been able to allow women Bishops for instance, and the objections to this was supposedly theological. The Catholic church can't even yet handle women priests!

I have been very much supported by ministers and others in local churches, and at some point soon I will hopefully present myself in church as Michelle. I am very much looking forward to taking communion and receiving a blessing as a Christian woman. There are though people - particularly in the "evangelical" wing of the church that really can't handle LGBT, and indeed can be condemning and very un-Christian, but luckily I don't really (with one or two exceptions) have much contact with them.

My faith is strong and I am happy and know I am loved by God.

Michelle



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Re: Being Christian and Transsexual
« Reply #47 on: December 31, 2018, 07:30:26 pm »
I am a Christian and just that.  Faith in Jesus Christ, that He is the Son of God, Son of Man and that He Sacrificed Himself upon the Cross so that we may have eternal Salvation.. No man made church is required.  That includes the Roman catholic chvrch.  Joining a congregation or attending church is strictly up to you. 

John 14:6  Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

If you read the Book of Matthew, all of the prophecies had been leading up to Jesus Christ, the Sacrificial Lamb, dying upon the Cross to pay the debt for Man's/Woman's Sins. 

Matthew 27:50-53  50And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.
51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and[e] went into the holy city and appeared to many people.

Read closely and you can see that the reason for an intercessor (Holy of Holies) is no longer required.  Other translations has "the rocks split" to mean the alter stone of the Temple split in two, meaning that the Sacrifice has been made and accepted as payment for the debt of our Sin.  The Laws of the Old Testament no longer hold sway over us, nor can they prevent us from Walking with God, thru Jesus.  Even if the Bible actually did call us out as a Sin, we can longer be held accountable to the point where we can no longer be immersed in the Love of the Lamb.  Remember, Christ Died on the Cross for ALL humankind's Sin; Good or Evil.

Matthew 7:7-8  “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

When I came to accept that who I am on the inside belongs on the outside, I experienced a warm, gushing euphoria that enveloped me.  It was as if I was connected to the energy of the cosmos.  It was a strange, yet all too familiar feeling.  I quickly recognized it as the way I feel with my direct connection that I have with Jesus.  For a long time, I struggled with the question of what I was feeling was correct or was I headed off into some worldly tangent.  Jesus was letting me know that I was His Child and that it was alright for me to be who I am.   That is my personal experience. 
"Out of all the attributes of humanity, the only one that matters most, is the one that cannot fail you.  That is Honesty. Without it, nothing else about your person will hold up." :angel:

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Re: Being Christian and Transsexual
« Reply #48 on: December 31, 2018, 07:35:40 pm »
I am transgender and Christian.
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My faith is strong and I am happy and know I am loved by God.

Michelle

Please read my post that I made.  It correlates to what you said and our Beliefs.




I am a Christian and just that.  Faith in Jesus Christ, that He is the Son of God, Son of Man and that He Sacrificed Himself upon the Cross so that we may have eternal Salvation.. No man made church is required.  That includes the Roman catholic chvrch.  Joining a congregation or attending church is strictly up to you. 

John 14:6  Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

If you read the Book of Matthew, all of the prophecies had been leading up to Jesus Christ, the Sacrificial Lamb, dying upon the Cross to pay the debt for Man's/Woman's Sins. 

Matthew 27:50-53  50And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.
51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and[e] went into the holy city and appeared to many people.

Read closely and you can see that the reason for an intercessor (Holy of Holies) is no longer required.  Other translations has "the rocks split" to mean the alter stone of the Temple split in two, meaning that the Sacrifice has been made and accepted as payment for the debt of our Sin.  The Laws of the Old Testament no longer hold sway over us, nor can they prevent us from Walking with God, thru Jesus.  Even if the Bible actually did call us out as a Sin, we can longer be held accountable to the point where we can no longer be immersed in the Love of the Lamb.  Remember, Christ Died on the Cross for ALL humankind's Sin; Good or Evil.

Matthew 7:7-8  “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

When I came to accept that who I am on the inside belongs on the outside, I experienced a warm, gushing euphoria that enveloped me.  It was as if I was connected to the energy of the cosmos.  It was a strange, yet all too familiar feeling.  I quickly recognized it as the way I feel with my direct connection that I have with Jesus.  For a long time, I struggled with the question of what I was feeling was correct or was I headed off into some worldly tangent.  Jesus was letting me know that I was His Child and that it was alright for me to be who I am.   That is my personal experience.
"Out of all the attributes of humanity, the only one that matters most, is the one that cannot fail you.  That is Honesty. Without it, nothing else about your person will hold up." :angel:

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Re: Being Christian and Transsexual
« Reply #49 on: August 15, 2020, 12:42:32 am »
I've written a lot on this topic, including a book which I will not plug.

First, transgender people have existed since before Abraham and Sarah went to Egypt.  Actually, there is written history of transgender people as far back as 10,000 years in India.  But first a bit of terminology.  Transgender is a term that was coined in 1985 to describe anyone whose gender identity does not match the identity they were assigned at birth.  Gender Confirmation Surgery, previously known as Sex Change Surgery didn't exist until around 1920.

Up until the 1890s, members of the "third sex" had themselves castrated before puberty.  Even today, in parts of India, Pakistan, and Persia, this is still a common practice.  They often run away from home to join the Hjira or Manuthun(sic) or the Hebrew Siris.  Pretty much since the domestication of livestock, when herders realized that there was less fighting and better eating by castrating all but the best male sheep, goats, or cattle which made the males act more like females and they could be tender meat as food.  So when boys wanted to stay with the women, and acted like women, they were often given the choice of going with their fathers, or having themselves castrated.  Furthermore, there was even a version of HRT for these castrated children.  The urine of pregnant livestock could be collected, evaporated, and mixed with wine which provided a concentrated form of estrogen.  Even today pregnant mare urine is packaged under the trade name Premarin.

The first non-Jewish Christian was a eunuch or Siris on a diplomatic mission for the queen of Ethiopia.  Third gender eunuchs were often used as messengers and diplomats because they could travel unnoticed as women until they arrived, or could travel in men's clothes when there might be thieves or robbers in the area.  The distinguishing characteristic of these wise Eunuchs was that they had the soft feminine voice of a woman, yet small or nonexistent breasts.

These people were very intelligent and Siris were considered extremely wise.  In other cultures, they were considered consecrated virgins and served as Oracles, Seers, Prophets, and Wise Men.  It's possible that some of the prophets such as Daniel (Lion's Den), Shadrak, Mishak, and Abednego (Furnace) may have been third gender Eunuchs castrated before puberty by their own choice.

In Mathew 12:19 Jesus talks about those made Eunuchs (such as an accident), those born Eunuchs (a much more common birth defect since it wasn't corrected at birth), and those who had themselves made eunuchs.  These third gender Eunuchs believed that God made them this way and that it was their destiny to be castrated, which is why they would ask to be castrated before puberty.

A common verse is Deuteronomy where the KJV says a woman should not wear men's clothes, and a man should not wear women's clothes.  In the culture of the time the book was written, men and women usually wore the same clothes, a shirt that came to the ankles, a robe or cloak, and a head scarf worn around the head for protection from the sun and the heat.  The original Aramaic and Hebrew versions allude more specifically to the Armor worn by soldiers.  In effect, the command was that you shouldn't dress women as warriors unless they have been trained to fight, and you shouldn't try to hide armor under cloaks and head scarves.  This makes sense if you think about it.  If the town is being invaded and there are a bunch of untrained women dressed in armor to make their forces seem larger, then the invaders would kill all the women as well as the men.  Conversely, if the invaders couldn't tell the difference between cloaked warriors and unarmed civilians, the invaders would just have to kill everyone.  The problem with either scenario is that even if the invaders are repelled, so many women would have been killed that the town would be unable to rebuild it's population and the town, or all of Israel would have been destroyed.

As for the verse in Leviticus 18, the KJV says "A man should not lie with a man as with a woman".  In the original Hebrew, it's more like a man cannot be forced to become a concubine.  Keep in mind that in the time that the verse was written, all marriages were arranged by the parents, often before the children were born, in exchange for things of real value such as land, grazing rights, use of wells, or even for livestock.  But what if both parties only had sons?  In other cultures of the time, the creditor could demand that the youngest boy be castrated and given as a concubine to the oldest son.  The young son had no say in the matter.  In effect, the son was being forcibly castrated so he could be raped by the son.  So the homosexual activity was not between two consenting partners, but by a father being forced to pay a debt.

The other passage is in Deuteronomy in which the verse says that men who lay with each other were to be stoned to death.  Again, in the original culture and language, the act being referenced here was rape.  Furthermore, if a man raped a woman, both the rapist and the woman were to be stoned to death.  In fact, the only way to avoid the stoning was if the couple was out in the country and there was nobody to hear the woman's calls for help, and the "rapist" had to pay a "bride price" and marry the woman as a wife, otherwise both were to be put to death.  Again, the key was that the marriage were to be arranged by the parents, and the parents had the responsibility to kill the amorous couple for messing up a previously arranged marriage.

Keep in mind that there are at least 3 layers of propaganda campaigns between the Aramaic translations used by priests prior to the Babylonian captivity and the King James bible.  The Babylonian captivity was when the exiled Hebrews started copying the Torah in Hebrew, each boy copying several pages during puberty as they prepared for coming of age and preparing for marriage.  Then there were two different translations to Greek, the most commonly used being the Septiguint, supposedly 70 priests translated the same verses the same way to show that there was no threat to the Greek kings.

The translation to Latin was from the Greek, and there was little reference back to the original Hebrew, partly because after the destruction of Herod's Temple, the Jews were pretty much considered criminals.  The books and translations approved for the new officially recognized Christian church had to please Constantine and the priests knew it.

The translation from Latin to English was actually very controversial. The original Tilsdale translation almost got him hanged, drawn, and quartered by Queen Elizabeth because the translators weren't exactly thrilled to be ruled by a queen.  The original translations were also controversial because they followed the patterns used by the Protestants in Germany and Holland rather than an authentically English translation.  There were Catholic, Protestant, and Church of England translations and all were less than generous toward women.  When King James finally commissioned the translation to be approved by him, the poets had pretty much taken over, and much of the original Latin context was lost.

It's ironic that Jews had adopted the practice of teaching all of their children to read and write Hebrew and continued to do so for centuries, while most English people during the time of King James couldn't read even basic English signs.

Anyone who has done any real scholarship in the four languages understands how difficult it is to create an accurate translation, and the biggest myth is the claim of a "Word for Word" translation, since there are numerous words in Hebrew that require a paragraph to translate accurately, and Hebrew may have 12 words that have very different contextual meanings yet get translated to the same words in English with no concept of the context.

Many fundamentalists and religious fanatics have tried to persecute the Jews because they know that nearly everything in their vernacular translation can easily be corrected by even boys who have barely started to shave.  We can start with the seven day creation.  The Hebrew version is actually closer to the billion years described by modern scientists, complete with asteroids and comets.  Of course, the irony is that many of these concepts weren't clearly understood by scientists until the latter half of the 20th century.   




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Re: Being Christian and Transsexual
« Reply #50 on: September 16, 2020, 03:20:33 pm »
I don't know if this is the appropriate thread to share this, but here goes:

Since coming out, I have found myself reconnecting with God in a wonderfully whole and complete way.

And, overall, my experience with others since coming out has been actually pretty good.   


However, the one aspect where I have received some negative reactions, wasn't with coming out as trans, and not even saying I'm trans and a Christian.

It's when I have told people I am transgender, but also pro-life.

I know this can be a divisive topic, and many people have varying, and different opinions on it, but this is something I have really thought long and hard about, and I would like to share why I came to these conclusions, as a matter of my faith.

For starters, I think we need to re-frame how it is publicly viewed.  It's been framed as a 'woman's right to choose,' but as we now understand better, this is not gender-specific.  Men can be the 'XX provider,'  and women can be the 'XY provider' (for lack of a better way of saying it).

But also, for me, while growing up, and struggling with my own identity, I can't keep count of how many times I would hear some truly horrible remarks about people who were transgender, from supposedly pro-life leaning people themselves.   Things like 'If I knew my kid was going to be queer, I would be pro-abortion.'   That's just terrible, and just wrong, and really damaged me at a very deep level.

Plus, as we know, how our gender identity is really something that is with us from the very beginning, some horrible regimes out there would love nothing more than to have the flexibility to terminate pregnancies if it turns out the child is 2SLGBTQIA+ of any kind.   

And, furthermore, the truth is, I don't think we understand life at all, as a human species.   Having five kids of my own, and seeing two of them from conception (the other three are my stepkids, but still my kids), I can tell you their personalities shone right from the start. 

It's hard to explain, but seeing them as kids now, I saw their spirits right then, too.   

Life truly is a gift, and I don't think it should be denied.   

I never want to deny the rights of anyone else, just like I wouldn't want my own denied, and I've struggled over this, but if I am in error, I feel like at least I'm erring on the side of caution.

I know some may disagree, and that's okay.  I was just surprised at some of the less-than-civil reactions I have received on this one item (but, NONE of that was from here....everyone here has been truly wonderful).

Anyhow, I wanted to get this off my chest.   
Thanks for listening, again. :)
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