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Offline Pengola

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So we all know Korea is number 1 in plastic surgery in the world, especially for facial bone contouring procedures. I personally have done a lot of plastic surgery and I also worked as a medical consultant in Korea. Procedures I've done are - Jaw/mandible reduction, rhinoplasty, double eyelid, chin augmentation, forehead fat grafting, acculift, threadlifting, water jet liposuction, eyebag removal. Yeah.....you can say I'm a bit of a junkie hehe but I guess one of the reasons why i have done so much is because it is so easily accessible for me.

The one procedure I have always wanted to do but never done yet is a zygoma reduction and I will be in Korea this month to do some consultations and find a surgeon who can smooth out my cheeks and make me look more feminine and soft. The problem is though that I also have asymmetry and its a situation where the right cheek is more forward than the left cheek. The surgeon at the hospital I worked for in the past is amazing. He did the surgeries for the girl's generation kpop group and lots of other celebrities. I was set on him doing my surgery but then after he saw my ct scans and x rays he told me that because of this kind of asymmetry, there is a likelihood that my cheekbones might end up more asymmetrical. Or if he uses a method to shift the frontal bone backwards, it will cause sagging. So this means there will then be a different kind of asymmetry where the cheekbones look even but one side of the face is sagging!

I'm feeling pretty disheartened now. What do you guys think I should do? Here are the options broken down pretty much

1) 3d zygoma reduction - likely make the cheekbones look more asymmetrical even though face will be softer
2) Push right frontal cheekbone backwards - will make cheekbones look symmetrical and softer but right side of face will sag.

3) Do option 2 but do a face lift to reverse sagging...which is invasive and I am only in my late 20s.

Any opinions or advice? I would especially appreciate it from people who have done cheekbone reductions before :)

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Re: Korea Facial Feminization Zygoma Reduction: What should i do?
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2017, 06:29:01 pm »
Who is this surgeon??!!

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Re: Korea Facial Feminization Zygoma Reduction: What should i do?
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2017, 09:28:29 pm »

 

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Re: Korea Facial Feminization Zygoma Reduction: What should i do?
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2017, 10:40:13 pm »
Omg sorry I been off the forums for a while due to having had a zygoma reduction and face lift. The zygoma was done by dr Kim from Dream medical group. Super skilled and recovery was so fast. my facelift however im having post surgery depression. I did it at another hospital with another surgeon and apparently I still am in recovery 2 weeks later. I look so weird at the moment :(

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Re: Korea Facial Feminization Zygoma Reduction: What should i do?
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2017, 04:17:04 pm »
does anyone know why south korea doesnt do forehead shaving / contouring? Tried inquiring to many cosmetic hospitals in South Korea but all are not doing it except from doing augmentation by just fat grafting

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Re: Korea Facial Feminization Zygoma Reduction: What should i do?
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2017, 01:32:30 am »
I used to work in the plastic surgery industry in korea so I am quite familiar with how things work there. The reason why they do not do bone reduction procedures to the forehead is because the caucasians that come to korea do the following procedures: Breast Augmentation, Rhinoplasty, Facelifting, Upper/lower Blehpharoplasty, Buttlift etc

The asians that do forehead surgery in Korea is always augmentations, and not bone reductions. They do forehead reductions via hairline in Korea because there's a market for it but not the forehead bone reduction because there isn't a market for it as the asians never require reductions. Asians have flatter foreheads to begin with. And the caucasians who come to korea hardly ever ask for that procedure. I believe via this logic, it also isn't good to do with procedure in Korea because they do not have a lot of experience with it. But for cheekbone and jaw reduction surgeries and the rest they are excellent. I wouldn't do it elsewhere. Thats also the reason why im doing my tracheal shave and srs in either Thailand Spain or the US because Korea is not good for those procedures

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Re: Korea Facial Feminization Zygoma Reduction: What should i do?
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2017, 12:33:59 pm »
For what it's worth, I believe some Asians do ask for reductions as there are plastic surgeons at least in Japan who list the procedure on their websites. I can't offer links until I have made another 380 or so posts, but if anyone wants to do a search (for type 3), the term to look for is 前頭洞骨切



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Re: Korea Facial Feminization Zygoma Reduction: What should i do?
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2017, 01:09:08 pm »
Can someone explain to me why in Korea reducing cheekbones is more feminine while in Europe and USA they put in cheek implants as part of facial feminization??


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Re: Korea Facial Feminization Zygoma Reduction: What should i do?
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2017, 01:51:33 pm »
Can someone explain to me why in Korea reducing cheekbones is more feminine while in Europe and USA they put in cheek implants as part of facial feminization??
I am only guessing but looking at all the faces on the site I have a working theory. I think there are two standards for a feminine face. On is a rounded full cheeks that extend from the jaw almost to the eyes and the other is prominent cheek bones. This can backfire as in my case because I have the cheek bones but I lost so much facial fat when I was off HRT that my face looked gaunt and somewhat masculine even though I was a little overweight. I am not a FFS expert so feel free to shoot this theory down.
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Re: Korea Facial Feminization Zygoma Reduction: What should i do?
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2017, 05:36:12 am »
I'm also puzzled by the dichotomy regarding the aesthetic value of prominent cheekbones.

As Dena said, in Asia a smooth, soft contour is usually considered more pleasing, and any significant angularity is perceived as a masculine trait. I'd surmise that a smooth facial contour equates to youth/neoteny which translates to cuteness and/or beauty.

As for the origins of the Western trend I really have no idea.

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Re: Korea Facial Feminization Zygoma Reduction: What should i do?
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2017, 11:59:37 am »
So we all know Korea is number 1 in plastic surgery in the world, especially for facial bone contouring procedures.
I wouldn't give this for granted..... What facts do you base this statement on?.... Many countries can compete for this alleged first place all over the world.

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Re: Korea Facial Feminization Zygoma Reduction: What should i do?
« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2017, 01:25:26 pm »
I am finding some parts of this thread entertaining - assuming Asian and European heredity is a binary topic.  Just like gender. 

I am half Welsh and half Japanese.  If my best option for FFS is a surgeon located half way between the UK and Japan I should shop in Kazakhstan.
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Re: Korea Facial Feminization Zygoma Reduction: What should i do?
« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2017, 01:41:04 pm »
well, for my persona experience ive done surgery in canada, us, australia and bangkok. My results weren't ideal to say the least. In the US i got botched up. In bangkok i got botched too. Only the koreans managed to fix the damage done.

secondly, korea's medical beauty industry is far more developed by the government. The country performs more plastic surgery than any other country in the world. Technology is first class and surgeons do far more procedures per day than others. At many of the clinics/hospitals which are mid sized and above, there are 5 surgeons usually. Each with their own speciality and they cannot act outside of their speciality according to the clinic's protocol. This means on days which they are booked up for surgery, starting from 10am to 5pm they are constantly honing their skills in speciality. The more surgeries a surgeon does, generally speaking their skill level improves. However, if I am being impartial, the large hospitals/clinics in korea to fill up their sheer volume of patients, hire junior doctors to do meet this demand. That's what I know from working in the industry in Korea. Thats why I never did my surgeries at large clinics, only the smaller ones (i had my 3rd nose revision done in a clinic with 2 surgeons only, and they only do nose surgery since thats their speciality) and the medium sized ones. You can do your own research on this or even visit korea. There's 2 main areas with hundreds of clinics for dermatology and plastic surgery all jammed into the district. There are statistics you can find out with research too. I think I came across a census that showed over 50 percent of the population have had some kind of cosmetic enhancement. Its very interesting because I will always remember the first timewhen I walked past an elementary school near the clinic I used to work at, I could see the difference between what the kids look like, and what the adults look like. I thought to myself "ohhh so this is what the koreans really look like before they enhance their features" haha

These are some of the reasons why despite prices not being cheap, people flock to korea for plastic surgery. In the US and Australia and Canada, the systematic approach is not there. There's usually one surgeon per clinic and that surgeon does everything - eyes nose breast etc. I use the logic of jack of all trades master of none. Im sure people get good results too however but I personally didn't and wouldn't ever do surgery unless its with a surgeon who only practices his speciality.

Also, I don't believe Korea is good for body procedures like the butt lift or tracheal shave or srs. I consulted a couple of surgeons and wasn't too impressed. For example, the butt lift all of them I consulted with said "fat graft method is not good because it doesn't last long. Silicone is preferred" But then I asked 4 of the surgeons I know personally and all 3 of them advised me against using silicone because of the high infection rate, citing between 10-30 percent. The surgeon I consulted for the tracheal shave said the only way to do the procedure is via an incision down the middle of where the adam's apple is. He said there's no other method. But the Thai surgeons I spoke to said they would do it from the under chin area, as did the facial team.

So for facial work I would only go to Korea for it. But for my body work and tracheal shave I'm considering Brazil for the butt lift, ideally facial team for my adam's apple and srs I haven't decided yet. That one is the biggest decision for me.

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Re: Korea Facial Feminization Zygoma Reduction: What should i do?
« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2017, 01:45:47 pm »
Can someone explain to me why in Korea reducing cheekbones is more feminine while in Europe and USA they put in cheek implants as part of facial feminization??

Because asian facial bones have less depth than caucasians and are wider and flatter. If you use implants for the cheekbones for this type of bone structure, it ends up making the face bigger and more masculine. Caucasian faces tend to have more depth and dimension, with stronger mid features but weaker outer features, opposite of asians. So enhancing the cheekbones tends to be an improvement.

There's also the difference in beauty standards. In korea having no cheekbones is beautiful because asians are obsesseddddd with having a smaller face. There's even a clinic in Korea called small face clinic hahahaha. When i first saw that i was like WTF?

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Re: Korea Facial Feminization Zygoma Reduction: What should i do?
« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2017, 02:16:41 pm »
Well, in Korea getting plastic surgery, especially of the face is pretty much a craze - maybe similar to Americans getting breast surgeries or Europeans getting Botox (although Europeans are still overall pretty reluctant towards any such procedures, admittedly). There are plastic surgery commercialy everywhere when I was in Seoul 2 years ago.
Weirdly enough, the Koreans like some sort of pseudo-European look. They like to have rounder eyes and some other more western features, but at the same time they want so have child-faces. I guess looking at the TV there was showing some of this - women who are very girlish are just shown everywhere. And there is also this far-eastern weird thing about "schoolgirls" and their uniforms. Something Westerners do not really understand so much.
I think Europeans have a different ideal. We probably want women who are looking beautiful but like young adults, not like childs, and since cheekbones are a bit of a sign of grown up women and men, maybe thats why? Also they make the face more round, I believe, less elongated - and a doctor said to me that they also help to keep the skin more stretched - lacking cheekbones basically leads to more sagging and sunken in cheeks, which looks less healthy.

So apparently if one better just leaves the cheekbones alone, reduces or enhances them seems to be highly individual and also dependent on ethnicity and the culture one lives in?

I personally have rather strong cheekbones, rumour has it that at my grand-grandparents level of the family tree, we had some asian influence, since also its a family trait. So maybe a little bit of asia is good for Europeans that way :D - I want to keep them though, not reduce them. Western FFS surgeons so far were actually happy for me to have them. Except one, who still wanted to do implants, which I found confusing because I feel increasing them probably would really make me look a bit strongly featured...


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Re: Korea Facial Feminization Zygoma Reduction: What should i do?
« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2017, 03:30:50 pm »
Yeah doing the cheekbone reduction does cause sagging. I experienced some mild sagging with it. Plus Im older now too and my nasal labial folds were showing thats why 2 weeks ago I did a face lift. Im finally over my post op depression and my face is looking no longer lizard like and over stretched, and much more natural. Best of all my folds are gone!

You are right about the child like look. I never understood why Koreans love the doll like face, that is until I realized the men seemed attracted to adorable looking girls. They always use the word "cute" when complimenting a girl. Guess its a cultural difference. I grew up in Australia so my beauty standard is more western to be honest. But truth be hold I generally find asians look better without big cheekbones, which is why I had mine reduced and made smaller so I looked less harsh. It really helped my facial balance because my face shape is naturally quite square and boxy and wide. Now its smoother, more narrow and heart shaped which I very much prefer. Personally I prefer having small sharper features over wider blunt features. I believe the former makes me look more feminine and approachable, in the sense that I no longer have resting bitch face lol

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Re: Korea Facial Feminization Zygoma Reduction: What should i do?
« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2017, 12:47:17 pm »
HI pengola,

 Did you find that a facelift help solve your facial sagging? Were the scars visable? And are you overall happy?

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Re: Korea Facial Feminization Zygoma Reduction: What should i do?
« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2017, 08:08:35 am »
Hi Pengola,

Who did you do your facelift with? Was it a SMAS or MACs lift? I heard thread lifting is not so effective.

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« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2018, 05:11:45 pm »
Please check dm:)

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« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2018, 04:42:13 am »
Hey pengola,

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