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--- Quote from: Raell on December 01, 2016, 05:20:58 pm ---What concerned me about the ladies who want to dress like porn stars is that their obsession is to "fit in" and be accepted by cis women. If they are simply doing what makes them happy, relieving dysphoria, or if they are in showbiz or the porn industry, those clothes would be appropriate, but probably only at work.

Another thing they did was to constantly buy extremely sexual Victoria's Secret undergarments and obsessively talk about it, even put pictures of these items on their Facebook pages, calling them "panties."

I don't know any cis women who obsess about lacy, revealing lingerie. Instead, they only wear such things to please their partners on special occasions, then switch back to comfortable cotton clothing. I have only heard men call women's underwear "panties."

Most of the way they talk about women's clothing and underwear is as though those things excite them. I don't know any cis women who are sexually aroused by underwear or clothing. It's just something they wear. Any racy clothing is worn simply to please romantic partners.

I no longer say anything to them, though. I'm going to assume their extreme behavior is from excitement at expressing themselves in a feminine way and that as they attend trans support groups, they will tone down a bit and be able to enter the mainstream.

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Agreed that we present a better face to the world when we blend in and do not present ourselves as a caricature of what it means to be a trans woman. But, i also support anyone's right to wear anything they want, that helps out their self esteem etc.

My choices may not be others, what i consider age appropriate may be way too old looking for some or young looking for others.

Btw, my CIS wife has always called them panties as do my two daughters. Maybe that is a geographic or cultural thing, and while she does not get sexual excitement out of what she wears necessarily, she understands what is sexy and how to look appealing to others and when she looks appealing, that in and of itself is a sexual feeling. (her and i have had that discussion many times)

I agree with you that those friends of yours may tone things down a bit once the novelty of all of the options available to them wears off and the reality of being a woman making her way through the world replaces it.

Also, sorry to send the thread more off focus. I think what Karen has done here is awesome! I wish i could have seen her presentation. Those of us that are willing and able, should take it as an example to be a positive example for others in the workplace.

I own the company where i work and it is a daily struggle to keep it going and keep our few employees employed but i wouldn't change it for the world. Even though i recently have not had a boss per se or peers to interact with in transition, i always tried to be considerate of the people here.


--- Quote from: karenpayneoregon on October 29, 2016, 04:12:02 am ---On November 7th I will be a key speaker at Microsoft on the topic "Women in Tech". When first asked they wanted me to talk about females in tech. Now they are interested in expanding this topic to LGBT (which I was going to discuss anyways).

What I'm looking for are your experiences both good and bad on the following topics but not exclusive e.g. think of something else I want to hear it along with what area of employment.

* You come out as trans (pre-op) at a current employment, what were the reactions of the company and/or the supervisor
* In your current job after coming out you were demoted and or failed to get raises where they were given before you came out
* Applying for a position as the opposite gender but legally are not that gender. You did this without a current job or with a current job
* Applying for a position (post-op) did not reveal this fact and did not obtain the position with no reason given but was fully qualified for the position
* You lost your job or can't get a job because you are trans and had announced this to the place of employment
* You announced your intentions for gender surgery in one form or another and were denied time off or were let go
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The company I work for is Swedish owned and global.  They have very good anti discrimination policy and so far I've been treated well.


--- Quote from: Amy1988 on December 24, 2016, 04:33:51 pm ---The company I work for is Swedish owned and global.  They have very good anti discrimination policy and so far I've been treated well.

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What company is that, Amy?


--- Quote from: Raell on November 15, 2016, 04:59:17 am ---Yes, Karen, I agree about dressing appropriately.

I have two transwomen friends, who are just starting to live as female at 60+ years old.
Unfortunately, they seem to think women dress like porn stars to go to the mailbox, and seem obsessed with spike five inch heels and outrageously revealing clothing, despite their height and weight.

I found that nothing I say influences them at all, even when I beg them to look at the cis women around them, including their wives, but they don't see it, keep bragging about finally getting to be like a woman and wear seven inch red nails.

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That was kind of you to encourage them to stop drawing attention to themselves.


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