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I was sexually abused by a peer and physically and mentally abused in my home. The sexual abuse occurred starting when I was 10 the other thing that started then was drug use. My therapist went through my history with me and all the way back to before kindergarten there are pictures of me only with other girls. Playing dolls and playing house and while again these can be stereotypes they can also be an indication. According to my therapy the signs were always there but the abuse and subsequent drug use I used to black out a huge portion of my life and puberty my transness was also blacked out and was not rediscovered untill my 30s. So nope being abused that way didn't make me anything. Except stronger you can't be anything but strong after being so broken and then putting yourself back together.

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I always thought i was wrong from the start. There was nothing improper in my childhood.

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Re: TW: "Homosexuality/Transgender is caused by improper sexual experiences"
« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2017, 11:59:09 am »
(The only girl alter of a Multiple Personality (Dissociative Identity) Disorder System resulting from childhood sexual and psychological abuse chiming in)

Although childhood sexual abuse (CSA) will not "make" a person gay or transgender, it often leaves the victim with severe gender and sexual confusion that can easily be mistaken for being gay or transgender. With it being three times more likely that a person was sexually abused as a child than them being gay or transgender, it is the go to diagnosis until it can be proven otherwise (Approximately 10% of the population experience CSA, compared to 2.5% who self-identify as gay or bisexual and another 0.3% who are transgender).

It can take a significant amount of therapy for a CSA survivor to admit to themself that the sexual abuse they suffered as a child is the cause of their gender or sexual confusion. In my case my Primary (a guy) was in therapy for 2 1/2 years until the time loss and flashbacks began and the doctors realized he wasn't transsexual and had Multiple Personality (Dissociative Identity) Disorder because of childhood trauma. The confusion can begin at a early age if the abuse occurs at critical stages in a child's development of gender and sexuality. Primary (the dominant alter if my System; he as guy) had memories of cross dressing before he was even in grade school, but it was really just me being me. Neither of us is gay or transgender. It makes it really tough to sort out the extremely small number of CSA survivors who are actually gay or transgender.
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Re: TW: "Homosexuality/Transgender is caused by improper sexual experiences"
« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2017, 12:35:33 pm »
And, of course, the topic begs the question, What are the proper sexual experiences for children??

It is perfectly obvious that we live in a sex saturated culture in terms of attention grabbers, sales promotions and the hyper-titilated world of social media.  Conversely absent from our culture are positive and naturalistic depictions of whatever might serve as loving and intimate relationships.  Family planning and sex education are under constant attack while ignorance and abstinence programs fail the test.  What tools does a parent have?  How do we prepare our youth for loving vs exploitive relationships?

Children are natural explorers and we leave them to the internet to find out????   Seems a recipe for exploitive behaviors is currently perpetuated?
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Consistently crossdressing since 1976, when I was 4 1/2 years-old, with spontaneous evolution towards awareness of gender dysphoria and recent decision to transition. Absolutely no history of improper sexual situation with another person or any other form of abuse.
The claims you mention are baseless and simply a reflection of other hidden agendas. Best defense: undogmatic education.
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Re: TW: "Homosexuality/Transgender is caused by improper sexual experiences"
« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2017, 09:15:59 am »
I am another case of "knew from 4 or 5" with no history of any untoward sexual causation.  I was not abused sexually, though I did suffer from mental and emotional abuse through my dad's behavior towards my propensity to be a bit feminine.

My experimentation in to gender role melding did not involve any sexual activity either, so nothing there.  Just started to examine and follow my own heart so that I could cope with being me.

I have heard the theory that we as trans folk are primarily created through our environmental situation, but that is a theory that was dispelled decades ago.  Those people that site it any longer are just agenda driven people who need the excuse to justify a much larger picture (usually religious in nature) that they believe in.
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Re: TW: "Homosexuality/Transgender is caused by improper sexual experiences"
« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2017, 11:12:29 am »
(The only girl alter of a Multiple Personality (Dissociative Identity) Disorder System resulting from childhood sexual and psychological abuse chiming in)

Although childhood sexual abuse (CSA) will not "make" a person gay or transgender, it often leaves the victim with severe gender and sexual confusion that can easily be mistaken for being gay or transgender. With it being three times more likely that a person was sexually abused as a child than them being gay or transgender, it is the go to diagnosis until it can be proven otherwise (Approximately 10% of the population experience CSA, compared to 2.5% who self-identify as gay or bisexual and another 0.3% who are transgender).

It can take a significant amount of therapy for a CSA survivor to admit to themself that the sexual abuse they suffered as a child is the cause of their gender or sexual confusion. In my case my Primary (a guy) was in therapy for 2 1/2 years until the time loss and flashbacks began and the doctors realized he wasn't transsexual and had Multiple Personality (Dissociative Identity) Disorder because of childhood trauma. The confusion can begin at a early age if the abuse occurs at critical stages in a child's development of gender and sexuality. Primary (the dominant alter if my System; he as guy) had memories of cross dressing before he was even in grade school, but it was really just me being me. Neither of us is gay or transgender. It makes it really tough to sort out the extremely small number of CSA survivors who are actually gay or transgender.

I'm sorry to hear that,

But hey, thank you for that input, I appreciate that side of it. Im curious if most therapists look to possible CSA as a possible determining factor in deciding whether the child's sexuality or gender is not just confusion based on trauma or if it's the child's nature, rather than using CSA as an excuse to waive off their feelings as just a traumatic event and shut their feelings down. I'm sure once they look into that factor both they and the patient can determine the best course of action.


Im definitely curious about those statistics, thats very interesting, do you have any source on it? If not thats fine but I will look into that myself



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Re: TW: "Homosexuality/Transgender is caused by improper sexual experiences"
« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2017, 01:14:58 pm »
With homosexuality and transgenderism being so rare compared to other conditions that cause sexuality/gender confusion, it seems like this would be one of the primary reasons for the WPATH requirements for therapy?!?

My experience has been exact opposite of your concerns. Of the five doctors and psychologists who have treated me over the last 8 years, only one did not accept my understanding of self as reality- my Gender Therapist. Despite my guy alter's refusal that transition was not right for him, she insisted he was a transsexual in denial. There are always exceptions, but therapy play a really important role in easing transition and in preventing a failed one.

For obvious reasons the percentages for these groups are probably low, but here are the most recent verifiable statistics I could find:

(Over CSA statistics of 20.9% of population)
"Research conducted by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) estimates that approximately 1 in 6 boys and 1 in 4 girls are sexually abused before the age of 18."
U.S. Department of Justice National Sex Offender Public Website
https://www.nsopw.gov/en-US/Education/FactsStatistics

(Overall gay/transgender statistics of 3.0% of population)
"Among U.S. adults aged 18 and over, 97.7% identified as straight, 1.6% as gay or lesbian, and 0.7% as bisexual"
Sexual Orientation and Health Among U.S Adults, National Health Statistics Reports, Number 77, Jul 15, 2014. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr077.pdf

 "0.6% of adults, about 1.4 million, identify as transgender in the United States."
"How many adults identity as Transgender in the United States?" Williams Institute, April 2016.
http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/How-Many-Adults-Identify-as-Transgender-in-the-United-States.pdf

Using these statistics, it is seven times more likely a person is suffering from the results of childhood sexual abuse than they are gay/transgender.
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Re: TW: "Homosexuality/Transgender is caused by improper sexual experiences"
« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2017, 08:29:50 pm »
Exactly, if abuse caused transsexuality the numbers of transsexuals recorded for treatment you would think would be much greater since child abuse isn't the rarest thing to happen to people.
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Re: TW: "Homosexuality/Transgender is caused by improper sexual experiences"
« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2017, 04:30:27 am »
Well as far as the "mental illness" argument goes, that's pure horse hockey! Here are some scientific studies. The problem has been psychologists like to theorize about people's mental states. They often have no idea what real scientific research has done in the medical field.



General Male Female Brain Differences

Gorski, Gordon, Shrayne, Southham 1978
   Medial proptic nucleas (MPON)

Allen, Hines, Shrayne, Gorski 1989
   Hypothalamus regions
      INAH3       2.8 times larger  in men
      INAH2       2 times larger in men
      Regions known to influence:
          gonotropin secretion,
maternal behavior in females,
sexual behavior in mammals

Allen 1989:    associated area with sexual functions
LeVay 1991:   associated area with sexual orientation

Allen, Gorski 1991
   Shape of splenium of corpus callosum
   Massa intermedia    53% larger in women
   Anterior commissure    12% larger in women

Hoffman, Swaab
   Preoptic anterior region of hypothalamus different between male and female
volume,
number cells,
neural structure

Transgender Involved or Related Studies

Garcia, Falgueras, Swaab 2008      hypothalamus
   Region INAH3 volume and number of neurons in trans person matches the identified gender.

Zhou, Hoffman, Gooren, Swaab 1995   hypothalamus
   Region BSTc  volume and number cells in trans person matches the identified gender

Kruijver 2000            hypothalamus
   Region BSTc number neurons in trans person matches the identified gender

Yokota, Kawamura, Kameya 2005
   Corpus callosum: claim to be able to make clinical diagnosis based on size

Rametti, Carrillo, Gomez-Gil, Junque 2011
   White Matter microstructures in transwomen similar to cis women

Simon, Kozak, Simon 2013
   Grey Matter cerebellum, left angular gyrus, left inferior parietal lobe match identified gender

Zubiarre, Elorza 2013
   Transwomen: feminization regions of right hemisphere
   Transmen: substantial subcortal masculinization

Luders 2012
   Cortical thickness of transwomen similar to ciswomen and greater than cismen.
   Left hemisphere: frontal, orbitao-frontal lobe, central sulcus, perisylvian region, paracental cortex
   Right hemisphere: pre/post central gyrus, parietal cortex, temporal cortex, precuneus, fusiform
      Lingual, orbito-frontal gyrus



Other studies:

Govier, Diamond, Wolowiec, Slade 2010
   Hearing response to particular sounds, trans people reacted similar to identified gender

Berglund, Lindstrom, Dheine-Helmy, Savic 2008
   Smell: response to a particular scent, trans people reacted similar to identified gender (active brain scan)

Autoszewski, Zadzinski, Foczpanski 2009
   Teeth: transgender tooth pattern difference (has something to do with the front teeth but one study of dentists could only identify male, female teeth accurately 50% of the time. The other 50% of the samples were ambiguous and no correct ID trend was found)

Behavioral Studies:

Bao, Swaab 2011
   Showed rearing could not override inborn gender identity

Mathews, Fane, Conway, Brook, Hines 2009
Nordenstrm, Servin, Bohlin, Larsson, Wedell 2002

   Both studies found prenatal androgen levels significantly effects play behavior and personality characteristics
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Re: TW: "Homosexuality/Transgender is caused by improper sexual experiences"
« Reply #30 on: February 21, 2017, 09:20:44 am »
if abuse caused transsexuality the numbers of transsexuals recorded for treatment you would think would be much greater since child abuse isn't the rarest thing to happen to people.

Exactly!!!

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