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Trans and drag?

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Julia1996:
A guy I work with does drag. He's just a regular gay guy. He doesn't take hrt and hasn't had any kind of surgery. He is very opinionated on the subject of trans women doing drag. He doesn't consider transwomen " real drag artists"  in his words. He says the point of doing drag is for a man to create a female illusion and that taking hrt, FFS, etc is cheating. He gets very upset talking about some transgirl who does drag at the club he performs at and says she shouldn't be allowed to perform or enter drag competitions.  It's like a major sore point for him. My opinion on transwomen doing drag? I couldn't care less. I don't like drag shows and I don't really understand why any transgirl would want to get in front of a club full of people and announce that she is a man pretending to be a woman. It's totally crazy to me. But hey, to each their own.  As for a transguy doing drag I don't think that would be cheating. After they have been on testosterone a while they totally look like men so how would it be different from any guy doing drag?  Gay transmen fascinate me. I had never considered gay tranaguys before. That's like really ignorant I know but until I saw some transmen on YouTube and joined this site I knew almost nothing about FtMs. Then I saw a guy on YouTube named upperchase and he was fem and talking about being trans. I thought he was mtf and hadn't transitioned yet. I was amazed when he started talking about being a transguy. He's hilarious and his YouTube channel is really cool.

eyesk8rboi:

--- Quote from: Julia1996 on June 23, 2017, 03:52:37 pm --- I had never considered gay tranaguys before. That's like really ignorant I know but until I saw some transmen on YouTube and joined this site I knew almost nothing about FtMs. Then I saw a guy on YouTube named upperchase and he was fem and talking about being trans. I thought he was mtf and hadn't transitioned yet. I was amazed when he started talking about being a transguy. He's hilarious and his YouTube channel is really cool.

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OMG....So! Kind of off topic to continue on this point, but like, I totally get that!
My mother knows these two trans women. Both are "straight" as they say....As men they were interested in women and as women they are still interested in women, but they're both together (I believe they're actually married now) and pre-bottom surgery, so we literally just wrack our brains and wonder how that works every time we talk about them.

I always feel so bigoted for getting confused by it, especially considering I'm pan sexual myself and could care less, but these two are very openly, exclusively attracted to women...So like??? I know it's not my place to full understand and it's honestly none of my business but I think about this stuff all the time.

I know two trans men that are also together, which both of them are bisexual, so that one doesn't wrack my brain as much.

Julia1996:

--- Quote from: transguymac on June 23, 2017, 04:01:06 pm ---OMG....So! Kind of off topic to continue on this point, but like, I totally get that!
My mother knows these two trans women. Both are "straight" as they say....As men they were interested in women and as women they are still interested in women, but they're both together (I believe they're actually married now) and pre-bottom surgery, so we literally just wrack our brains and wonder how that works every time we talk about them.

I always feel so bigoted for getting confused by it, especially considering I'm pan sexual myself and could care less, but these two are very openly, exclusively attracted to women...So like??? I know it's not my place to full understand and it's honestly none of my business but I think about this stuff all the time.

I know two trans men that are also together, which both of them are bisexual, so that one doesn't wrack my brain as much.

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I think maybe trans people don't put so much into what's between someone's legs. Probably cause we know what its like to be one gender and have the genitalia of another. I think the mtf couple work because they both present as women no matter what's between their legs. I am only attracted to males. I would not ever be attracted to another mtf because grs or not they are  female.On the same note I would date a transguy. A transguy is still a guy no matter what's between his legs. If he presents as a guy and I found him attractive I could totally get past what's between his legs.
Does that help make it more understandable?
Julia

Liv_J:
I noticed that the original post was about situations like a FTM trans man peforming as a drag queen - ie.  Performing the gender they were originally assigned as. I don't know about the motivation of it but would assume it would be for fun and because they like that kind of show/art form. And maybe sometimes there are still aspects of the gender presentation associated with their originally assigned gender that they quite like or at least like to play with and revisit occasionally. I do find the idea of someone that, say, identifies as a trans woman and wants to perform as a drag queen a bit odd, and it's not drag in the usual sense of the word. On the other hand I guess the typical drag queen look doesn't bear that much resemblance to an everyday woman, so maybe some like the extravagance and artistry of it as a thing of its own (without the usual cross gender implication of drag). For that matter I've heard of faux queens as a term for (generally cis) women who like to dress up like drag queens.   

Janes Groove:

--- Quote from: Julia1996 on June 23, 2017, 03:52:37 pm ---I don't really understand why any transgirl would want to get in front of a club full of people and announce that she is a man pretending to be a woman. It's totally crazy to me.

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I'm not sure they think of themselves that way.  There are a lot of transgender women in the drag scene today.  Many of them got into drag before they started to transition.  When they were in their male/questioning phase.  Drag provided them with an outlet and safe space to explore their gender identity in a community of supportive gender nonconformers.   They medically transition but still continue drag because they like it.  Many of their performances are not so much about going over the top high femme but singing and dancing to classical show tunes and showing the audience that they are just beautiful woman.  Sort of like what women get out of pole dancing.  Some of them are really true artists in the performances they create.  And they obviously enjoy the act of creating a beautiful work of art.  For some it is about playing with the idea of gender.  Challenging the viewers preconceptions of gender.  Sort of like a creative outlet where they won't be judged or ridiculed.   They are today's drag artists who are changing the form itself in a changing society.  Also, I think it must be kind of a turn on for them to be on stage and get the feedback of turning on a room full of guys.  In that way it is a stroke to their ego and a affirmation to themselves of their own femininity.  I get that.  And I think there is an element of "Hey look at me. Aren't you jealous?" to all the other drag queens.  Also, it's not just transgender women who benefit and learn from drag.  Tyra Banks once said On America's Next Top Model that she learned a lot about how to be a model from drag queens.

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