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Trans and drag?
« on: April 08, 2017, 05:33:23 pm »
Hey there everyone, I have been wondering about everyone's opinions on those who transition but then choose to do drag, like if a born female transitions to a male and then becomes a drag queen. I want to know what you guys think of it.
  Do you think it's cheating, or not?
  Do you think it is a sign the person didn't want to transition, or is just an outlet?
  Please reply, I really want to know what this community thinks about this subject
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Re: Trans and drag?
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2017, 09:17:07 pm »
Hey there everyone, I have been wondering about everyone's opinions on those who transition but then choose to do drag, like if a born female transitions to a male and then becomes a drag queen. I want to know what you guys think of it.
  Do you think it's cheating, or not?
  Do you think it is a sign the person didn't want to transition, or is just an outlet?
  Please reply, I really want to know what this community thinks about this subject

Hi undautri

If I understand what you are asking, it is this...... if a FTM transitions, do we as a community think it is some form of cheating for them to become a drag queen, I am guessing you mean if they were  "really FTM trans" you think they would be a drag king? and if someone did this, then did this person make a mistake in transitioning because they chose to be a drag queen as opposed to a drag King which meant they really wanted to be a girl in the first place...

I hope I understood the question and here are my thoughts...

I think we need to separate fact from fiction

Transgender Men ARE Men
Transgender Women ARE Women

Drag Kings/Queens are Artists and therefore professionals doing a job. , Not all drag performers are Gay, not all drag performers are straight, not all drag performers have surgery, some drag performers have surgery, Not all Drag performers are Trans, you don't have to be Trans to be a Drag performer, some drag performers are Trans....

If you are FTM you ARE and always have been a man.

If a man, chooses to do drag, in part, because he has certain physical characteristics that will help with the persona he is creating, then half his luck, is what I would say. It has nothing to do with weather that person is really trans or not,  they are not necessarily related in any way.

So with those thoughts maybe you can answer that question of yours... :)

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Re: Trans and drag?
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2017, 05:07:27 am »
I don't think it's cheating. I'm currently a big fan of Peppermint on RPDR season 9 who is a trans woman :)

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Re: Trans and drag?
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2017, 06:38:04 am »
Hey, I know it's been a month since I asked but I have to thank the both of you for your answers.  ;D
  Anything is helpful.
kindest regards possible,
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Re: Trans and drag?
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2017, 02:30:32 pm »
OMG! I've been wondering this exact thing.
I want to be the first FTM contestant on Ru Paul's drag race.....


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Re: Trans and drag?
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2017, 03:52:37 pm »
A guy I work with does drag. He's just a regular gay guy. He doesn't take hrt and hasn't had any kind of surgery. He is very opinionated on the subject of trans women doing drag. He doesn't consider transwomen " real drag artists"  in his words. He says the point of doing drag is for a man to create a female illusion and that taking hrt, FFS, etc is cheating. He gets very upset talking about some transgirl who does drag at the club he performs at and says she shouldn't be allowed to perform or enter drag competitions.  It's like a major sore point for him. My opinion on transwomen doing drag? I couldn't care less. I don't like drag shows and I don't really understand why any transgirl would want to get in front of a club full of people and announce that she is a man pretending to be a woman. It's totally crazy to me. But hey, to each their own.  As for a transguy doing drag I don't think that would be cheating. After they have been on testosterone a while they totally look like men so how would it be different from any guy doing drag?  Gay transmen fascinate me. I had never considered gay tranaguys before. That's like really ignorant I know but until I saw some transmen on YouTube and joined this site I knew almost nothing about FtMs. Then I saw a guy on YouTube named upperchase and he was fem and talking about being trans. I thought he was mtf and hadn't transitioned yet. I was amazed when he started talking about being a transguy. He's hilarious and his YouTube channel is really cool.
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Re: Trans and drag?
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2017, 04:01:06 pm »
I had never considered gay tranaguys before. That's like really ignorant I know but until I saw some transmen on YouTube and joined this site I knew almost nothing about FtMs. Then I saw a guy on YouTube named upperchase and he was fem and talking about being trans. I thought he was mtf and hadn't transitioned yet. I was amazed when he started talking about being a transguy. He's hilarious and his YouTube channel is really cool.

OMG....So! Kind of off topic to continue on this point, but like, I totally get that!
My mother knows these two trans women. Both are "straight" as they say....As men they were interested in women and as women they are still interested in women, but they're both together (I believe they're actually married now) and pre-bottom surgery, so we literally just wrack our brains and wonder how that works every time we talk about them.

I always feel so bigoted for getting confused by it, especially considering I'm pan sexual myself and could care less, but these two are very openly, exclusively attracted to women...So like??? I know it's not my place to full understand and it's honestly none of my business but I think about this stuff all the time.

I know two trans men that are also together, which both of them are bisexual, so that one doesn't wrack my brain as much.
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Re: Trans and drag?
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2017, 04:35:52 pm »
OMG....So! Kind of off topic to continue on this point, but like, I totally get that!
My mother knows these two trans women. Both are "straight" as they say....As men they were interested in women and as women they are still interested in women, but they're both together (I believe they're actually married now) and pre-bottom surgery, so we literally just wrack our brains and wonder how that works every time we talk about them.

I always feel so bigoted for getting confused by it, especially considering I'm pan sexual myself and could care less, but these two are very openly, exclusively attracted to women...So like??? I know it's not my place to full understand and it's honestly none of my business but I think about this stuff all the time.

I know two trans men that are also together, which both of them are bisexual, so that one doesn't wrack my brain as much.

I think maybe trans people don't put so much into what's between someone's legs. Probably cause we know what its like to be one gender and have the genitalia of another. I think the mtf couple work because they both present as women no matter what's between their legs. I am only attracted to males. I would not ever be attracted to another mtf because grs or not they are  female.On the same note I would date a transguy. A transguy is still a guy no matter what's between his legs. If he presents as a guy and I found him attractive I could totally get past what's between his legs.
Does that help make it more understandable?
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Re: Trans and drag?
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2017, 01:00:03 pm »
I noticed that the original post was about situations like a FTM trans man peforming as a drag queen - ie.  Performing the gender they were originally assigned as. I don't know about the motivation of it but would assume it would be for fun and because they like that kind of show/art form. And maybe sometimes there are still aspects of the gender presentation associated with their originally assigned gender that they quite like or at least like to play with and revisit occasionally. I do find the idea of someone that, say, identifies as a trans woman and wants to perform as a drag queen a bit odd, and it's not drag in the usual sense of the word. On the other hand I guess the typical drag queen look doesn't bear that much resemblance to an everyday woman, so maybe some like the extravagance and artistry of it as a thing of its own (without the usual cross gender implication of drag). For that matter I've heard of faux queens as a term for (generally cis) women who like to dress up like drag queens.   

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Re: Trans and drag?
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2017, 07:47:00 pm »
I don't really understand why any transgirl would want to get in front of a club full of people and announce that she is a man pretending to be a woman. It's totally crazy to me.

I'm not sure they think of themselves that way.  There are a lot of transgender women in the drag scene today.  Many of them got into drag before they started to transition.  When they were in their male/questioning phase.  Drag provided them with an outlet and safe space to explore their gender identity in a community of supportive gender nonconformers.   They medically transition but still continue drag because they like it.  Many of their performances are not so much about going over the top high femme but singing and dancing to classical show tunes and showing the audience that they are just beautiful woman.  Sort of like what women get out of pole dancing.  Some of them are really true artists in the performances they create.  And they obviously enjoy the act of creating a beautiful work of art.  For some it is about playing with the idea of gender.  Challenging the viewers preconceptions of gender.  Sort of like a creative outlet where they won't be judged or ridiculed.   They are today's drag artists who are changing the form itself in a changing society.  Also, I think it must be kind of a turn on for them to be on stage and get the feedback of turning on a room full of guys.  In that way it is a stroke to their ego and a affirmation to themselves of their own femininity.  I get that.  And I think there is an element of "Hey look at me. Aren't you jealous?" to all the other drag queens.  Also, it's not just transgender women who benefit and learn from drag.  Tyra Banks once said On America's Next Top Model that she learned a lot about how to be a model from drag queens.
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