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Offline Jenntrans

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Re: Trans and drag?
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2018, 03:44:32 pm »
Nowadays the concept of drag has changed a bit. It's not only about giving the ilusion of the other gender, but about creating a character with a visual impact.

There are men doing female drag characters and men doing male characters, the same happens for women. There are drag artists that create androginous drag characters. There are some that don't even look human! It's not about the gender of the artist anymore, it's about the character. What's wrong with a trans girl that likes to be a drag queen sometimes? Or with a trans guy? If you like it, then do it. Don't let anyone question your decition to transition because of it. Like gender and sexuality, they are different things.

Nothing at all. Everyone need to make a living. Personally I want to be a woman all the time. I can do comedy in a trans woman sort of way if I was funny enough.

Jesus, does anyone remember the movie Connie and Carla? Two women that witnessed a mob murder in Chicago moved to LA and worked in a Drag Club to hide and be singers. They were women and passed as drag queens because of the makeup.

If you are transitioning then transition for you and you alone. A biological woman can't technically be a drag queen and a biological man can't technically be a drag king without transitioning. If you are transitioning then how about this, original transgender comedy poking jokes at all the BS we have to go through? That would be totally original and the time is getting right because more and more people are identifying with it. ??? 8)

I don't want to get crude here but the bathroom issue is a big one that you can self deprecate with. Forgetting to sit and pee in the women's room and some paranoid woman telling her boyfriend or accidentally dressed in a short skirt and walking into a men's room and using a urinal.

I mean seriously I am trans and yet I voted for the "King Cheeto" and thought he may be better than the "Godmother" and she is not even a "fairy". That is just off the top of my head though. Then I could build on it with the horse's head in the movie The Godfather but not the head but another part. :embarrassed: So see comedy is not that hard if you can be self deprecating I can't sing or dance and look like shit most of the time but you bet your ass I would be dressed in my best lingerie and stilettos in front of the mike. :o ;) But one thing that is serious is that we all need to get over all the serious shit though. Entertain me, make me laugh, make me cry but (some entertainers don't get this part now) don't make me pissed off and angry because of political views. I am bombarded with that everyday.

LOL how many people would think a drag queen dressed as Marilyn and "Happy Birthday" to Donald Trump? He would probably think it would be funny too. I know this will probably hit some nerves but please everyone lighten up and laugh a little. Sometimes shit is just funny the more outrageous it gets. I am doing my part though and my friends laugh at me and I hit them back and we laugh about it all.

But when it comes to certain spectrums it is far easier for a trans woman to be a drag queen than who she really is. It is fare easier for a man to be a drag queen than being a trans woman full time. I assume it is the same with drag kings and trans men.

Damn off the rails there. :embarrassed:

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Re: Trans and drag?
« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2018, 04:24:27 pm »
Elisabeth has it right way back in her early post.

Transgender persons have identities; drag performers have personas.

Drag is a performance, a form of entertainment built on playing with gender presentation.  Drag can be done by anyone.  Straight males, gay males, bi males and transwomen have all done drag queens.  Straight females, bi and gay women, and transmen have all done drag kings.

People that do drag are entertainers, or are engaged in a recreational activity such as the competitions in the Courts. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Court_System )

There is a misconception that all transgender people are drag performers; perhaps just not very good at it.  There is a misconception that all drag performers are gay.  This is also not true.

People doing drag are not necessarily transgender persons.  Transgender persons are not necessarily drag performers.  People doing drag are not necessarily gay or lesbian persons.  Gay or lesbian persons are not necessarily drag performers.
People doing drag are not necessarily straight. Straight people are not necessarily drag performers.

It’s a character.  I can do a pretty fierce drag king, but that’s not how I identify.  (And since I am pre-FFS, I feel like I’d be cheating with the bones and voice!)



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Re: Trans and drag?
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2018, 06:15:50 pm »
I'd like to present this from another angle.

Elisabeth has it right way back in her early post.

Transgender persons have identities; drag performers have personas.

I am not comfortable making that determination for someone else. Our identities are sacred and not up for discussion.

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Drag is a performance, a form of entertainment built on playing with gender presentation.  Drag can be done by anyone.  Straight males, gay males, bi males and transwomen have all done drag queens.  Straight females, bi and gay women, and transmen have all done drag kings.

People that do drag are entertainers, or are engaged in a recreational activity such as the competitions in the Courts. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Court_System )

There is a misconception that all transgender people are drag performers; perhaps just not very good at it.  There is a misconception that all drag performers are gay.  This is also not true.

People doing drag are not necessarily transgender persons.

For the sake of clarity, on the site they are:


Transgender: an inclusive umbrella term which covers anyone who transcends their birth gender for any reason. This includes but is not limited to Androgynes, Crossdressers, Drag kings, Drag queens, Intersexuals, Transsexuals, and Transvestites.


We need to remember and embrace all the diversity in this community. Here is an excerpt from the Wikipedia article on Drag:

While the general public may be most familiar with the "high drag" of professional performance artists, drag is also part of regular life and street culture for many gender-nonconforming or gender-variant people, who may or may not consider what they do, "drag."


I'd like to think we're a little more enlightened here than the general public.

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Re: Trans and drag?
« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2018, 07:39:48 pm »
Devlyn is correct regarding definitions, in that transgender by definition may include drag performers; however, please be careful not to assign identities to other persons.  There are drag performers who will definitely deny being transgender persons, and really won’t take well to being told that they are trans.

We don’t get to diagnose or assign identity to other persons.  Trying to do this to a drag performer is every bit as rude as mis-identifying a trans person.

That is my sole point.

Let drag performers tell your how they identify.  Do not jump to assumptions, or invert and over-generalize definitions.
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Re: Trans and drag?
« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2018, 09:31:02 pm »
Isn't a drag king or queen on some level transgender tho?  I mean what's the motivation?  It's basically a gender nonconforming act.  Or, in other words, an act of gender nonconformity. Isn't it?

I can understand if someone is just doing it for the bucks, but that's really more of a female impersonator. Are there male impersonators? In Las Vegas?
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