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So what is up with Milo Yinniaplous?
« on: July 31, 2017, 02:35:20 pm »
Ok, I spelt his name wrong but still. What is this guys issue? and how does he have supporters. I know that many on the alt-right just stright up hate anything to do with equality with gender (with trans people or cis women), gays, other races and religions.

There is this guy named Milo, who attacks the trans community left right and center. He also attacks other religions and ect. But he is, or he acts very flambouyently gay. Correct me if i am wrong but are those people who are his fans, I thought they hated this kind of stuff. And many of them will admit that they do, except for Milo. They will hate anyone else who act like Milo in speech, apperance and such (minus his bigotry) but they love this guy. Now, Milo kinda of reminds me of Ben Carson. Carson said that in 1968 he sheltered white students from a riot in his university over African Americans started  a riot in protest of MLKs assassination.Or that  he tried to assult his mom and then on another occasion tried to stab a friend. In all these said stories there is noboday around to say that what Carson has said is true. Many, said there is no evidence this had happened. Still he uses this as a way to explain that he was broken and that he read the bible and after that, had been cured from bad temperment. He really played his ''violent'' image during his poltical trials. My guess is to win his biggest base, older far right white men from the south who beelive that all young black men are troubled and need some form of ''help''.... of course, with religion.

Then, there is Milo. He uses words that seem in line with the far right. He said, and keeps emthisizing that he ''Choose to be gay'' and it is a choice, and that he learned this from being fondled as a child (another far right wing smear). He goes on to even call Donald Trump ''daddy'' and says he only likes black people but has an excpetion for Trump.

In Milos cases, is he mentally there or is this a pattern. Where the far far right will welcome you with open arms only as long as you validate there assumptions on various people and sell everyone else out. And of course, play sterotypes. 
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Re: So what is up with Milo Yinniaplous?
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2017, 07:40:20 pm »
a typical self loathing theist lbgt member ... that is whats milo and comp
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Re: So what is up with Milo Yinniaplous?
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2017, 08:16:02 pm »
Milo has fans because he is critical of things that a lot of people are fed up with - feminism, social justice, identity politics, PC culture, etc. Him being gay probably turns off a lot of the older conservative segment, but it makes no difference to libertarians or voluntaryists who I would wager make up a larger portion of his fan base than people realize.
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Re: So what is up with Milo Yinniaplous?
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2017, 08:54:29 pm »
Milo has fans because he is critical of things that a lot of people are fed up with - feminism, social justice, identity politics, PC culture, etc. Him being gay probably turns off a lot of the older conservative segment, but it makes no difference to libertarians or voluntaryists who I would wager make up a larger portion of his fan base than people realize.

I suppose. But I am unsure why some of those things are unpopular. Feminism is good and has contributed a lot. However, PC culture and social justice warriors are very annoying. That i do get. Social justice itself is a good thing.

I still find it pathetic that Milo has the time of day.
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Re: So what is up with Milo Yinniaplous?
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2017, 12:43:32 am »
He's just someone who developed a sort of caricature, a cartoon personality version of themselves, to appeal to a specific audience.  It worked, and he wallows in the adoration.  There's an old San Francisco herbalist that tried insult comedy, and developed a caricature of themselves that became a national radio host and darling of a political faction, and Milo is following very much in their footsteps.  It's funny what people find interesting.

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Re: So what is up with Milo Yinniaplous?
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2017, 04:42:19 am »
Milo has fans because he is critical of things that a lot of people are fed up with - feminism, social justice, identity politics, PC culture, etc. Him being gay probably turns off a lot of the older conservative segment, but it makes no difference to libertarians or voluntaryists who I would wager make up a larger portion of his fan base than people realize.

I suppose. But I am unsure why some of those things are unpopular. Feminism is good and has contributed a lot. However, PC culture and social justice warriors are very annoying. That i do get. Social justice itself is a good thing.

I still find it pathetic that Milo has the time of day.

Not everyone would agree with you on your assessment of any of those things. Just because you think something is good doesn't mean it's viewed that way by everyone.

And unless I'm mistaken and he's done something new recently, Milo's fame fell considerably several months ago. I know he still has many fans hanging on but not the same as before his comments on pedophilia. He also has less reach since resigning from Breitbart.
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Re: So what is up with Milo Yinniaplous?
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2017, 10:44:12 am »
I suppose. But I am unsure why some of those things are unpopular. Feminism is good and has contributed a lot. However, PC culture and social justice warriors are very annoying. That i do get. Social justice itself is a good thing.

I still find it pathetic that Milo has the time of day.


Not everyone would agree with you on your assessment of any of those things. Just because you think something is good doesn't mean it's viewed that way by everyone.

And unless I'm mistaken and he's done something new recently, Milo's fame fell considerably several months ago. I know he still has many fans hanging on but not the same as before his comments on pedophilia. He also has less reach since resigning from Breitbart.

That you are right. But i will never understand how some of those things are wrong or unpopular. Milo is out from Breitbart but he is still very popular with his base. And that base is not small as much as most would like to think it is. I still see his followers who will defend his Pedophillia remarks and justify them but instantly label a gay person or trans person wishing to merley use a bathroom with that label.

It makes me wonder if a large portion of his fan base is more consumed with hating ''the others'' then actually standing on values.

My example. Milo can talk talk about pedophillia and Josh Duggar can actually commit that same act (which yes, he did). And their followers on the far far right will defend them, or justify their actions. Yet, if a transwoman wants to use the bathroom they will label her a pervert and even sexual predator. My point is, Milos fan base and similar circles will go into full fledge denial of a real sick act happening or being promoted and will swing hard in their defense. However, in regards to a MtF woman using the bathroom they will go into extreme paranoia that something 'could' happen.

Im just saying, it is that whole mind set that bothers me, the we can do no bad but 'they' are always bad
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Re: So what is up with Milo Yinniaplous?
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2017, 10:47:08 am »
See, atleast in Ben Carsons case I think he is a bit of a.. well, intresting fellow. But atleast he has contributed some good to the world and has helped people move on and live their lives by giving them proper and good DR care.

So as much as i disagree with him, and think he is promoting a dangerous ideology he has done something good for the world.

Milo, has only got his fame and money from hurting other people and tearing down peoples reputation and lives. He is one of the worst types of people there are.
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Re: So what is up with Milo Yinniaplous?
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2017, 07:24:18 pm »
There is this guy named Milo, who attacks the trans community left right and center. He also attacks other religions and ect. But he is, or he acts very flambouyently gay.

I think Milo is best understood as a marketing exercise.  He did some research and guessed that there would be a marketing niche in US culture for a flamboyantly gay neo-fascist who trashes trans people, people of color, Muslims, etc.  For a year or so Milo seemed to be everywhere, relentlessly promoting himself, insulting people, chasing the media coverage.

One of Milo's favorite gigs (he did it a number of times) was to schedule a speaking event on a university campus where he was sure to draw lots of outrage.  To make sure he got plenty of media exposure, he would do some research to identify and out some trans student at the school.  When students protested his speech or petitioned to have him banned from campus, Milo would run to the right-wing press crying about how his free-speech rights were being violated.

As time went by, Milo had to keep ramping up his offensiveness to keep getting the media exposure he wanted.  Ultimately, he came out essentially in favor of pedophilia, and that was the beginning of the end.  Even the right-wing media folks like Breitbart, who loved to use him to trash trans people and Muslims, cut him loose.  Milo sank like a stone.  Now he'll have to work out a new plan and reinvent himself some other way to get on with his "career" as a media celebrity.
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Re: So what is up with Milo Yinniaplous?
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2017, 08:15:48 pm »
He is just another person profiting off popular right wing arguments. There is a market for them, quite a few of them on youtube. Funnily enough some of those people live in the most progressive states in the US benifiting from progressive policies lol  ::)
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Re: So what is up with Milo Yinniaplous?
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2017, 01:30:14 pm »
I suppose. But I am unsure why some of those things are unpopular. Feminism is good and has contributed a lot. However, PC culture and social justice warriors are very annoying. That i do get. Social justice itself is a good thing.

I still find it pathetic that Milo has the time of day.

Feminism is good to a point - however when it goes beyond equality and into "women need more rights/privileges than men" it loses its main selling point, and its support from egalitarians.

Over the last 5 or 6 years social justice has gone into overdrive and all I see as a result is division and anger. It was supposed to combat racism and inequality, and has in effect begun judging everything and everyone by their skin color or perceived level of "privilege", stratifying everything into a sort of class or caste system based on these things. I see more avid racism now as a result of it than 25 years ago before it burst onto the scene. And I'm not just talking about from whites who social justice blames for everything. In my view, social justice has failed to bring people together and it has failed to end racism and inequality, and stoked it instead. But what it has done has got everyone looking over their shoulders for some perceived oppression or other from someone or other. It's going to come to a violent head soon, I think.

Milo was a PR frontman, of sorts, and he's not that good at it. The right like Milo for confirmation bias and his opposition to social justice, feminism, etc. which they also tend to oppose. Milo does thrive on saying "outrageous" things and being trollish and "offensive". But it works - he got your attention, didn't he?   

And that's basically all there is to his public persona.

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Re: So what is up with Milo Yinniaplous?
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2017, 04:02:54 pm »
I have learned the Right Wing will do anything for attention. Like a Kardashian.
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Re: So what is up with Milo Yinniaplous?
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2017, 03:55:53 am »
There's things I liked about what he did and things I don't. His position on trans people is the same as Ben Shapiro and Cathy Brennans and her ilk, but on the other hand he brought  alot of attention to how university culture in America has become divorced from reality, that it's become a radicalized, irrational culture of violent mass hysteria:

 

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Re: So what is up with Milo Yinniaplous?
« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2017, 07:25:04 am »
There's things I liked about what he did and things I don't. His position on trans people is the same as Ben Shapiro and Cathy Brennans and her ilk, but on the other hand he brought  alot of attention to how university culture in America has become divorced from reality, that it's become a radicalized, irrational culture of violent mass hysteria:

I havent watched the video, and personally as people I will admit I have nothing good to say about the three you mentioned. Brennan especially as not only does she troll trans people, she doxes them. Even kids.

That said I agree to a point about universities and such. It is important not to import hate , especially hateful thinking that has been proven to based on feelings (Icky, trans people exp) rather then science that we are born in the wrong body. Still, many univierities have become a more left wing-echo chamber and in some cases this enviroment which was meant to protect people from harm has turned into everyone getting a victim mentality.

Example, back around February there was a post about some guy and ebola and Africa. Now since I last looked it up the ebola crisis is mute and over (or so they say) . Still  I had said on that fb post that Africa is sadly known to carry a lot of diseases. Mainly because of lack of money they have, lack of support many places get and in addition whatever support a first world country give many governments there are corrupt to it may not get to the people. Also, Africa is actually quite tropical or sub tropical and that type of enviroment also invites many diseases. I would go on to explain how unfortunate that is and brain storm how things could get better. Of course by the SJW's I was a racist for ''only targeting Africa'' and being lectured about how large Africa was, one girl told me I had low-key racism.

So yes, I do believe that we have in a way taken feelings too far from where we respect someone who has a legit reason to feel hurt or upset all the way to people finding reasons to be hurt and upset.
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Re: So what is up with Milo Yinniaplous?
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2017, 07:54:40 pm »
The moment you don't agree precisely with some of those ^ people, the moment you too will be branded an enemy. Whether you're trans or not. They only have room for those who tow their line, not free thinkers. So beware of them.

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Re: So what is up with Milo Yinniaplous?
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2017, 09:36:22 pm »
As someone who tends towards (lowercase "l", as in not literally the party of that name) libertarian-ism (I prefer classical liberalism label, but that just confuses most people) and despises the two-party system, I tend to say that people like Milo are simply opportunists who have warped true libertarian ideals into a internet flame war. He plays to a few legitimate issues, then twists them up in order to build his support. (Which is the case for every political commentator or politician, ever.)

Going back to the the original progressive movements in the late 1800s and early 1900s, there was a strong need for much of the work that was done. This continued through the 1900s, the civil rights eras, and so forth. The armchair political scientist that I am, I believe the problem we see today really took hold though when progressive ideologies failed to do some basic rebranding. Viktor hit the nail on the head with what he said about Feminism as a prime example. The name alone is a big part of the problem, feminism, as it makes people think not of equal rights (the most mainstream definition of modern feminism), but of additional rights for women specifically as it outright has the fem- prefix at all. And in politics, it doesn't matter what is true or not, what matters is the perception. And the perception isn't great. When combined with the usual radicals, political correctness, and youtube SJWs (who are often massive hypocrites), this just created the breeding ground for a backlash that fed the growth of the alt-right. Well, Milo and his ilk saw this, and instead of trying to moderate the tone of the radicals on both sides, just played to the other side of the radical equation with an audience that liked the fact they could say "We're not homophobic, one of our spokesmen is gay!"

Of course, meanwhile the Milos on the progressive side do the same thing, and playing to their own base they in turn play into the talking points of the alt-right Milos creating a feedback loop that never ends. The clearest example goes back to the feminism issue, with the women make 78% of what men make statistic. The problem being that while an income (not technically wage) gap definitely exists, it does not translate into women making 78% of what men do for the exact same work, at the exact same hours, at the exact same job. (Instead that number hinges a lot on issues such as imbalances in women in high paying positions such as corporate executives, jobs with hazard pay, women working less hours, and so forth, and was never intended to be a statement of less pay for equal work.) So the Milos take this simple truth, twist it back around into an attack on men, which riles his base. The riled up men come across as sexist idiots for daring to say no to equal pay (which is a terrible thing to look like you're saying no to), creating even more misperception, more talking points for the other side, and so on and so on ping ponging back and forth until no one says an ounce of truth at all anymore because their responses are falsehoods in response to a falsehood which itself was in response to a falsehood.

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Addendum: I should clarify my point, I went off on a bit of a tangent I think. Basically, I'm just saying be careful not to dismiss a few of the root issues that may actually be valid, even if they are championed by a madman. The key is to address the valid points from all sides of an argument while filtering out the noise. Easier said than done, of course. Milo is a terrible messenger, but he isn't 100% wrong. Just... you know, 98% wrong. The best way to deal with anyone like that though is address the 2% in a thoughtful manner, and suddenly the 98% has no leg to stand on.
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