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faceapp and other gender change apps

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Bari Jo:
Gertrude, Roll, you both are beautiful.  Now the question is, is the app giving us false confidence, or can we achieve our looks it's HRT?  I hope it's close enough cause I think we would all be happy.

Roll:
After a lot of analysis and comparison, here is what I came to on the issue of "false hope" with this app... For the most part all it does is add the hair, makeup, and eyebrows, then slightly contours the jaw edge. I took another picture of myself and did some half-assed photoshopping, and came out with something not that far off though nowhere near as polished (modified eyebrows, "drew on" makeup, edited out beard stubble, added hair, etc.). In other words, at the core it is still your face.

The biggest issue that may be false hope is probably the edging of the face and jaw line, though I do believe it is feasible if you take into account FFS or a particularly good response to hormones. I guess you could consider the filter as applying some of the common HRT or surgery effects. I also base this off that in playing around with the app with other people, not revealing why I have it of course, using the male and female filters would readily turn people into flawless versions of relatives. For example my little sister with the male filter just looks identical to my father when he was around 20. When I showed my step-mother her picture with the male filter, she was confused because she thought I had a picture of her brother on my phone for some reason. So it isn't doing something that turns you into an entirely different person and does actually manage to retain some core personal genetic traits, which is a really good sign when the goal is mostly to express those genetic traits differently.

This all comes with a huge caveat however. A "glamor" shot at a good angle can be a poor representation of anyone, even not dealing with the transgender issue (ie: the basis of pretty much all modeling and Hollywood camera and lighting trickery). In other words, it is impossible to say how profiles, motion, extra features not readily visible in the photo, and so forth will play into the final presentation. (Not to mention face is just one part of the equation to begin with, though certainly an important one!)

rmaddy:
I used FaceApp to show a friend of mine what I was planning with FFS.  Honestly though, I'm hoping the FFS works better than the app!

Roll:

--- Quote from: rmaddy on September 04, 2017, 11:58:42 pm ---I used FaceApp to show a friend of mine what I was planning with FFS.  Honestly though, I'm hoping the FFS works better than the app!

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It's extremely sensitive to lighting and angle, you have to take a few pictures and find one it can read properly to get the full face change working right. (On a few of mine it just cut off the edge of my head for some reason, wouldn't add hair, or did a fishbowl distortion.)

rmaddy:

--- Quote from: Roll on September 05, 2017, 12:01:05 am ---It's extremely sensitive to lighting and angle, you have to take a few pictures and find one it can read properly to get the full face change working right. (On a few of mine it just cut off the edge of my head for some reason, wouldn't add hair, or did a fishbowl distortion.)

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Exactly.

My plastic surgeon's office has a software package that works something like FaceApp, but he is able to individually select and modify areas to a varying degree.  The thing that can't be changed is lighting.  You can simulate eyebrows sitting somewhat higher on your face, but not the increased lighting into the eye sockets due to work on brow bossing.

Also, my FaceApp picture tends to look fairly similar to my regular because my hair is curled/colored, my eyebrows are nicely waxed and I've gotten fairly decent with the makeup brush through daily use.

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