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Faith:
Other than places that only go by what's listed on a resume (thus certs are a must there), experience means so much more in filling a position. When I see a person with certs everywhere, I look at what they've done. Low experience means low practical application. It won't totally discount them as everyone can learn but if we need a drop in tech experience wins.

I've been in computer retail service repair, corporate desktop management, now servers and network infrastructure/security. I don't have any certs. The 25+ years experience adds up to more. If I were to look in a bigger market, no question I'd have to back it up with certification.

So, not really a clear answer but that's life :)

sarah1972:
There are many jobs out there for people like you! start looking at LinkedIn or just go to websites of larger companies you could see yourself working for and check their jobs section.

I would agree that for any development job, knowledge of Scrum / Agile is a must have these days. It does not have to be scrum master, there are other scrum roles as well.

The fixation on certificates is really annoying. I know way to many project managers with full PMP certification but they are useless.

For an IT support job it would certainly help to have any kind of related certification (be it Windows, Cisco or any of the other) would be helpful. But then again experience is all.

I never believed much in certifications, it is the experience that counts.

Roll:
(A sentence seems to be missing from my first post in this thread. Was supposed to say that was told about those courses from a woman who is a developer for the NCAA and NBA sites, and seems to be really good at what she does from what I've seen, so I trust her recommendation on the courses.)


--- Quote from: sarah1972 on November 15, 2017, 08:29:04 am ---I never believed much in certifications, it is the experience that counts.

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Agreed, I hate that I'm having to jump through hoops right now just to get noticed in the markets I'm interested in. Unfortunately, I feel like it's going more and more that way for non-senior positions, and it honestly probably will for senior positions as well in the next few years as the employee market that were raised in credentials get to that point in their career. (Ie: Now it may be get the person with 15 years of experience who has been working in the industry before certs and degrees were standard. But soon it's going to be everyone has that 15 years, and the certs/degrees are what will set them apart.)

The funniest part? The BS IT program I'm in prepares you for nothing, and I've heard that is the case for most. It actually may even be detrimental if students take its outdated nonsense as gospel. For example, Scrum/Agile is constantly talked about as some upstart that will never replace waterfall models... It's also all theory with virtually no practical application except for a smattering of programming courses, and even they spent over a month on creating Java applets. Java applets. If you were to hire people whose experience was entirely this degree program, and then went to them to, say, install a network, you would wind up with blank stares and too many gantt charts.

Roll:

--- Quote from: Sarah_P on November 15, 2017, 07:27:15 am ---Jill -  Thanks for the reply. This is a problem I face, is that I just don't know most of the terminology. For the most part I solve any PC / network issues at work without too much trouble, but sometimes resort to google for solutions.  :P
Another problem is not having the tools to solve some problems, since I'm limited by library budgets & board approval. We get IT services as part of the regional library system, and the rare times I can't fix a problem myself we call them in.

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I'm the same way on all accounts. I edited my post above a few times trying to make sure my terminology usage was remotely right. ;D I just never learned the business/professional side of anything, and my courses aren't helping at all. And I just don't have the tools to do things sometimes, and I don't do them enough to warrant spending money on them. (Which is why I have to use kitchen spatulas for prying off monitor edging!)

I don't think resorting to google is a negative either. So many people I've worked with over the past year or so will just bash their heads against the wall, convinced they know how to solve something, then I'll just google it and have it taken care of in minutes. Knowing what you don't know or looking for refreshers is super important to actually getting things done. Why go through endless trial and error when someone else has already done it for you? :D

elkie-t:
There are many ways to get into IT... Self-startup, coding camps (there is a good one in Milwaukee), volunteer to build a web for a smaller company, get some Microsoft Certification exams - if you want to get into web development. You need to show something tangible to prove you can do the job, something you can put into your resume.

A+ certification is nearly a must for hardware/networking specialist. And there are MS certifications for System Administration / Network engineer type of jobs.

I doubt any company would want to relocate someone with little experience, so your best bet would be to look locally, or relocate to a bigger city on your own if you can.

Dice.com is a great place to put your resume - I got so many calls from recruiters for my resume placed there.



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