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Excellent column on trangender hater Jordan Peterson
« on: May 25, 2018, 09:10:36 am »
I was Jordan Peterson’s strongest supporter. Now I think he’s dangerous

Several years ago, Jordan Peterson told me he wanted to buy a church. This was long before he became known as “the most influential public intellectual in the Western world,” as he was described in the pages of the New York Times a few months ago. It was before he was fancied to be a truth-telling sage who inspired legions, and the author of one of the bestselling books in the world this year. He was just my colleague and friend.....

https://www.thestar.com/news/insight/2018/05/25/i-was-jordan-petersons-strongest-supporter-now-i-think-hes-dangerous.html


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Re: Excellent column on trangender hater Jordan Peterson
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2018, 10:34:47 am »
I have a real hard time associating truth and religion.  They're incompatible.
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Re: Excellent column on trangender hater Jordan Peterson
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2018, 11:36:27 pm »
I have a real hard time associating truth and religion.  They're incompatible.
My 'faith' in Christ Jesus has nothing to do with 'religion' whatsoever.

Some might cry 'semantics', however, there is a gulf of difference between the two.

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Re: Excellent column on trangender hater Jordan Peterson
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2018, 01:04:59 am »
Never  heard of you son! Who are you? Wouldn't be the least bit surprised to find he likes to wear slingbacks & stockings, quite a few of the most vociferous haters often do!

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Re: Excellent column on trangender hater Jordan Peterson
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2018, 09:36:22 am »
This article isn't about religion, it's about a university professor regretting hiring Jordan Peterson.  Professor Peterson if you haven't heard has become famous for suggesting his rights are being taken away because the Canadian government added adding "gender identity or expression" to Canadian Human Rights Act.

Peterson is a nasty piece of work in many ways.  He's a fascist and a misogynist but he started by using transgender people as scapegoats for most of the problems of modern society.



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Re: Excellent column on trangender hater Jordan Peterson
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2018, 11:15:13 am »
As is often the case, people like that use perceived problems to justify attacking the rights of others, claiming they're protecting their own.  There was an article in National Geographic magazine, a few months ago, that showed how some use it to justify mass murder.
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Re: Excellent column on trangender hater Jordan Peterson
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2018, 05:01:47 am »
As is often the case, people like that use perceived problems to justify attacking the rights of others, claiming they're protecting their own.  There was an article in National Geographic magazine, a few months ago, that showed how some use it to justify mass murder.

Exactly!  Show me someone who stirs up hatred against another group and I'll show you that same person painting themselves as the "victim."
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Re: Excellent column on trangender hater Jordan Peterson
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2019, 11:27:50 am »

Sorry the link is not working, but to see the controversy search on YouTube for “Jordan Peterson threatens everything we value in NZ”, and “Jordan Peterson Cath Newman”.

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Re: Excellent column on trangender hater Jordan Peterson
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2019, 12:50:27 pm »
I'm an atheist but I really like Jordan Peterson. I think he'a a great speaker and very witty.

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Re: Excellent column on trangender hater Jordan Peterson
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2019, 01:12:02 pm »
Hey Zumbagirl,

Did you check out the YouTube videos on confrontations with him l listed?  They are wild and enlightening.



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Re: Excellent column on trangender hater Jordan Peterson
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2019, 06:54:37 am »
Hey Zumbagirl,

Did you check out the YouTube videos on confrontations with him l listed?  They are wild and enlightening.



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I have seen some of the confrontation videos on youtube. I think that the people who do this are complete nutcases. If you can't win an argument shouting someone down doesn't make one the winner in the debate. I still think the guy is fascinating and frankly entitled to his own opinion. Besides I don't measure my own existence in this world on what other people think about me.

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Re: Excellent column on trangender hater Jordan Peterson
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2019, 12:04:42 pm »
Hi Zumbagirl,

Don’t get me wrong about JP.  I’m with you, very much.  It’s just that it cannot be spoken openly of, without being judged.  People that have only heard one side, prior to making up their mind should check out the clips I mentioned to at least consider the other side, before pulling out their knives.
Have you seen the JP and Cathy Newman interview?  That is the height of attempted character assination and thoughtful rebuff. 
My Trans goddess, Theron Meyer spoke with him without controversy several times, while giving me visual lessons on the best feminine mannerisms. I can’t watch her for more than 2 minutes without getting a crush.  As I recall JP went to her wedding.


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Re: Excellent column on trangender hater Jordan Peterson
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2020, 08:17:52 am »
I love Jordan Peterson, he's awesome, and not at all a trans hater.

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Re: Excellent column on trangender hater Jordan Peterson
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2020, 04:23:05 pm »
When someone is as demonized as he I simply have to look for myself.
In his case I was very impressed by the calmness, respect and clarity he showed toward those whose goal clearly was to bait and trap him.

I love Jordan Peterson, he's awesome, and not at all a trans hater.

I felt so as well. I'd have loved to have him as a teacher when I was in school.

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Re: Excellent column on trangender hater Jordan Peterson
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2020, 04:40:12 pm »
In his case I was very impressed by the calmness, respect and clarity he showed toward those whose goal clearly was to bait and trap him.
I see that calmness as simply a rhetorical techniques to create the illusion of respect when it is in fact a lot easier to keep calm about topics that you have no personal stake. This technique is the go to for members of the self-described "Intellectual Dark Web" who frequently use it to mask a lack of empathy under a veneer of "intellectualism" in order to paint their opponents as wild, overly emotional zealots just because they have something to lose.

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Re: Excellent column on trangender hater Jordan Peterson
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2020, 09:28:46 pm »
I see that calmness as simply a rhetorical techniques to create the illusion of respect when it is in fact a lot easier to keep calm about topics that you have no personal stake. This technique is the go to for members of the self-described "Intellectual Dark Web" who frequently use it to mask a lack of empathy under a veneer of "intellectualism" in order to paint their opponents as wild, overly emotional zealots just because they have something to lose.

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Re: Excellent column on trangender hater Jordan Peterson
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2020, 06:25:49 am »
I have disliked him ever since he first came to public notice.  He is a propagandist and a media manipulator.  The claim that put him in the media spotlight (prior to which he was an unknown university psychology professor), namely that Canada's law protecting trans right would criminalize the use of incorrect pronouns, was entirely untrue.  Yet the media picked it up because it created "controversy" where none had been before.  That is media manipulation. 

He manipulated the media to become famous, and now he is famous just for being famous, not for anything particularly profound that he has said.  Being famous for being famous is nothing new.  If that was all it was, I would dismiss him as just another piece of fluff, like a Kardashian or a Paris Hilton.  But his fame is based on a lie that the media have never questioned, and that makes him dangerous.
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Re: Excellent column on trangender hater Jordan Peterson
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2020, 02:47:19 pm »
I have disliked him ever since he first came to public notice.  He is a propagandist and a media manipulator.  The claim that put him in the media spotlight (prior to which he was an unknown university psychology professor), namely that Canada's law protecting trans right would criminalize the use of incorrect pronouns, was entirely untrue.  Yet the media picked it up because it created "controversy" where none had been before.  That is media manipulation. 

He manipulated the media to become famous, and now he is famous just for being famous, not for anything particularly profound that he has said.  Being famous for being famous is nothing new.  If that was all it was, I would dismiss him as just another piece of fluff, like a Kardashian or a Paris Hilton.  But his fame is based on a lie that the media have never questioned, and that makes him dangerous.

He didn’t and doesn’t manipulate the media.  He is however hyper aware that certain people will jump on him for even the most minor of even perceived transgressions.

* JP was against government mandated compelled speech, under force of law * - as we all should be in a free country.  The fact that the subject was pronouns is just the context.  The media started following him after he testified in govt hearings and the media DID question him about criminalization.

 JP was correct that, in a round about way it does do so.  Get convicted in a human rights tribunal (which are basically kangaroo courts) and then don’t pay the resulting fine.  You’ll be risking prison. So no, not “entirely untrue”.

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« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2020, 02:21:07 pm »
* JP was against government mandated compelled speech, under force of law * - as we all should be in a free country.  The fact that the subject was pronouns is just the context.  The media started following him after he testified in govt hearings and the media DID question him about criminalization.

I am well aware that his big thing is "compelled speech".  And I am against it too.  However, it is a case of tilting at windmills, because there really isn't any law compelling speech.  In particular, Bill C-16, the one he claimed "compelled" the use of pronouns, does not compell any form of speech at all.  It is a simple prohibition of hate speech.  Unlike 99.9% of his fan base, I have actually read it.  No doubt, Peterson has read it too, so he should know better.  But he knows that almost no one will check up on it.  So all he has to do is make the claim that it mandates the use of pronouns, and his fans will believe him.

What the law actually does is prohibit hate speech against people on the grounds of their gender identity.  There are already hate-speech prohibitions for other identifiable groups, none of which has ever been interpreted by the courts as "compelling" speech.  Hate-speech prohibitions are generally (though not universally) perceived as reasonable limitations on free speech, same as shouting "fire" in a crowded theatre.  But prohibiting hate speech is a very different thing from compelling speech.
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Re: Excellent column on trangender hater Jordan Peterson
« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2020, 08:08:26 am »
Here's another article about him, where he's calling for the Ontario Human Rights Commision to be abolished.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/doug-ford-jordan-peterson-meeting-appointment-1.4992909

The current Premier of Ontario seems to be aligning himself with the right wing types, etc., including Jordan Peterson.  Peterson is definitely not friendly to the LGBQT community, among others.
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