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Reform of the Gender Recognition Act 2004

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Charlotte F:
I don't know Alexa.  What is good for you isn't necessarily good for many other people.  Transitioning isn't a way for me to demonstrate my strength, it is a way for me to be at peace by living & presenting as my true self.  When we are 'diagnosed' by a medical specialist, really it is nothing more than bureaucracy as the only person that knows if we are trans is us.  Not only does this take a good 2-3 years if you have the misfortune of having to go through the NHS GICs but in a country where the government and the NHS have consistently neglected mental health for decades, what mental health professionals there are could be far better used on other things than confirming what someone already knows

The arguments of the red top newspapers and TERFs that self certification leads to all sorts of danger for cis women is complete nonsense.  Other countries like Ireland, where self certification is allowed, haven't had a single incident in a female only space.  I find it quite dangerous when we start to believe or pander to these people

The fact is that to obtain a GRC we currently have to jump through hoops and conform to whatever image of femininity and womanhood a random group of strangers on a panel decide is appropriate.  If they don't think we are 'womanly' enough, we aren't getting a GRC - why should someone judge me on whether they think I've had enough surgery or taken enough hormones or am wearing a frilly enough dress?

We should also remember that no matter how stringent or difficult it is or how many gatekeepers we need to pass to legally change our gender, those who campaign against us will never be satisfied it is enough and will certainly never recognise its legitimacy


--- Quote from: Alexa Ares on July 29, 2018, 06:17:06 pm ---Its a good thing as it means people who may wish to claim trans identity so to be little trans people or to make some political point are screened out from doing so.

Pyschiatrists are not always popular as at times they are going to have to give people some harsh realities of that being openly trans is tough and taking the kids to sainsburys on a Tuesday afternoon and still being open is very different to a trans friendly club.... If one cannot handle cis gender hetro environments well they are likely to be struggling alot in a openly trans role and as such granting a GRC is questionable on if it will help them..

Im all for making the process a bit faster however there do have to be gatekeepers or else a can of worms is opened up. As a community its vital to be seen as legitimate and taken seriously by society and to not have those who wish ill on us to tarnish our name. Further i feel to be openly Trans you need to have some mental toughness, meeting a Pysch and being open and proud demonstrates this.

GRC cert should be earnt not given out on a whim. We don't need another media story of unsuccessful transition out there.

Again i won't be popular for this view however its what i feel and given im openly trans despite being a Manly looking trans I got reason to feel this needs to be said as a balance to the general mood on the board that we know best above all experts in all aspects...

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Alexa Ares:

--- Quote from: Charlotte F on August 02, 2018, 03:08:50 pm ---I don't know Alexa.  What is good for you isn't necessarily good for many other people.  Transitioning isn't a way for me to demonstrate my strength, it is a way for me to be at peace by living & presenting as my true self.  When we are 'diagnosed' by a medical specialist, really it is nothing more than bureaucracy as the only person that knows if we are trans is us.  Not only does this take a good 2-3 years if you have the misfortune of having to go through the NHS GICs but in a country where the government and the NHS have consistently neglected mental health for decades, what mental health professionals there are could be far better used on other things than confirming what someone already knows

The arguments of the red top newspapers and TERFs that self certification leads to all sorts of danger for cis women is complete nonsense.  Other countries like Ireland, where self certification is allowed, haven't had a single incident in a female only space.  I find it quite dangerous when we start to believe or pander to these people

The fact is that to obtain a GRC we currently have to jump through hoops and conform to whatever image of femininity and womanhood a random group of strangers on a panel decide is appropriate.  If they don't think we are 'womanly' enough, we aren't getting a GRC - why should someone judge me on whether they think I've had enough surgery or taken enough hormones or am wearing a frilly enough dress?

We should also remember that no matter how stringent or difficult it is or how many gatekeepers we need to pass to legally change our gender, those who campaign against us will never be satisfied it is enough and will certainly never recognise its legitimacy

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Hi Charlotte, Firstly I respect you have a different point of view on the GRC to Myself. It is good to be able to discuss these things, as they affect us alot tbh.

I will say the system should offer a fast track where appropriate if someone can demonstrate reasons why they qualify.

I also question whether the GRC panel are still expecting Trans Women to conform to Cis Gender Hetronormative presentation of their Female identity? 

We are very lucky in this country with the NHS. Globally for Free Health care,  for TG, we are one of the best. I am very grateful to be British.

I disagree that the only person who knows if we are Trans is us. I think if one is, it becomes pretty clear after a analysis of past and present, and goals for future, and the viewpoints of those around us. PLUS a medical professional.

I Feel its vital anyone who feels they are Trans does go to see a Psychiatrist to get a diagnosis and sees a Pyschologist fairly regularly  before going head first into a transition. There are cases and situations where someones Gender Dysphoria is going to be best met by looking at other approaches than full on transition. Once someone is out of the Box so to speak ,its very hard for them to go back.  Further, many TGs will have other issues going on, and Gender Transition will not solve them all. Its vital one is realistic about life, and learns to manage themselves as that is needed for what is a very tough undertaking.
Support groups can be echo chambers rather than reality checks.

To not make it too easy to change Gender, helps to make people think long and hard about what they are doing.
Lets be real, a lot of Gender Dsyphoric people are not fully aware of what exactly they are going to be dealing with in going from presenting as the opposite Gender from time to time, in a safe space, to being in the full blown public eye.


I bring up strength as it does take a lot of guts for one to be open and have a this is me attitude. This isn't to do with muscles, its to do with self acceptance and courage. Ive seen people on groups online talk a lot about how comfortable they are with their Gender yet find it hard to function in Hetro normative society. As not everyone will live in a liberal enclave this is important.

In regards to nations like Ireland. Theres been a case in Canada of some Male, identifying as Female, so to obtain cheaper car insurance. This makes me feel like society is taking the piss out of me.....Hence why I feel there needs to be checks on who can say they are Trans Female. You aint like Me, if you just want cheaper car insurance. You aint like me, if you feel like a girl some days as its a fun and a hoot on a night out......Openly stating trans Identity is HUGE. To say otherwise mocks us, and the pain of dsyphoria.

About Cis Women, and the Radical feminists. As Women, its vital we at least try to hear what they have to say. They are not really the enemy, nor are they of great social and political significance. If the Rad Fems, say anything thats a bit crazy, no one is really caring much outside of their echo chambers on social media.  The public debate has been won by the progressives thankfully.  I don't worry about a Cis Female attacking me for wearing make up and a dress. I do worry about Cis Men. I also feel Trans Women who dislike Cis Rad Fems have to remember it is still not right to use superior physical size to attack them. To do such only validates hetro men doing that to Us.

We should also remember Emily Pankhurst was probably seen as a bit radical in her day, so not all Rads are bad.

As a Husband to a Cis Wife who is the centre of my world, I would not feel okay with just anyone being able to download a form online, and then state they identify as Female, and as such access Female only spaces.  There HAS to be a process. You can't just expect to be given the status of Female. Many Cis Women, will be unhappy yet not speak out. I disagree with your statement that its utter nonsense to say Cis Women have reason to feel threatened by a free for all on GRC. Quite the opposite.....

Its not fair on Cis women. We should acknowledge as Trans women we have to take on board the feelings of Cis women, and find some middle ground. We ARE different. There can be some solidarity, yet we have to respect some Cis women, will find it very difficult, that Barry who was a musclebound cad, now identifies as Alexa, after 36 years of a Male role, and 4 kids.

The best we can all do is set a good example and be nice people. I notice when I do little things like hold doors open and show myself to be pleasant , society is pretty good to me, despite my appearance.

I LOVE Cis Women, and overall feel inspired by many to be a better less selfish trans woman.

I expect many will not like what I said here, however given I can already change my name, and the law gives me recognition as Trans if I follow a process, is the UK not better than say 195 out of 215 other nations?..........Given on top of this, our great economy, decent schools, police force, etc, I would rather live here than pretty much anywhere else.
Try being Trans in Russia, or Nigeria, or China or North Korea, or the Caribbean, etc etc.

Lexa xx

Angelic:
Comparing pee to poop doesn't actually make the pee edible.

Because homos get stoned in Africa doesn't mean a homo from down south should feel relief at "only" being kicked out of his family.

Because transwomen get treated worse in other places, doesn't mean I am going to celebrate the <not allowed> treatment I receive.

If you don't mind, I am going to continue to be a bitter, selfish transwoman, who is a misanthrope who hates society and also hates most cis women and men and deeply wishes for people to suffer.

About the prison thing, in my ideal world I would make transwomen immune to prosecution, they've had to deal with enough, so what if they let loose and commit some crimes here and there, its harder for them to get jobs so its fair.


--- Quote ---respect some Cis women, will find it very difficult, that Barry who was a musclebound cad, now identifies as Alexa, after 36 years of a Male role, and 4 kids.
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Those cis scums will get zero respect from me.

Alexa Ares:

--- Quote from: Angelic on September 18, 2018, 02:50:25 pm ---Comparing pee to poop doesn't actually make the pee edible.

Because homos get stoned in Africa doesn't mean a homo from down south should feel relief at "only" being kicked out of his family.

Because transwomen get treated worse in other places, doesn't mean I am going to celebrate the <not allowed> treatment I receive.

If you don't mind, I am going to continue to be a bitter, selfish transwoman, who is a misanthrope who hates society and also hates most cis women and men and deeply wishes for people to suffer.

About the prison thing, in my ideal world I would make transwomen immune to prosecution, they've had to deal with enough, so what if they let loose and commit some crimes here and there, its harder for them to get jobs so its fair.
Those cis scums will get zero respect from me.

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Okay.... If this is a attempt at tounge in cheek humour it misses the spot girl.

If you really feel like what you express above, please try to fix up... As frankly no one who is claiming trans identity can expect society to like them if they profess to disrespect cis women.

Also the word Homo..... Ain't cool. Some of us on here, did ID as Gay Men before. Others will see it as the same as calling us a <not allowed> or a Shim.... So I would say it's probably not the best term for use on here.

All in all your reply totally validates why we need gatekeepers for people who are trans before the gender certificate is changed. Female passports should not be given lightly.    Cis women deserve our upmost respect.

Alice Skye:
Maybe I am being cynical here... but do we really think that this government is going to be sympathetic to our needs?  The far right of the Tories in cahoots with the DUP... I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble or hopes but I can't see them being at all helpful to us. If this was happening under a moderate Tory government closer to the centre or under Labour...  or any combination of centrist or left parties then sure. But we are talking about a government that is being propped up by the DUP... Trans rights... seriously? The DUP and trans rights don't go together in a positive sounding sentence.

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