Author Topic: Christian and SrS  (Read 449 times)

AnamethatstartswithE and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Queenie

  • Newbie
  • **
  • Posts: 18
  • Reputation: +1/-0
Christian and SrS
« on: July 22, 2018, 03:00:55 pm »
I'm a little worried because I'm Christian. And I'm about to get SrS... Everyone tells me that that I am ruining a piece of God's perfectly healthy part or whatever... And that I am thinking that God made a mistake

How I see it is that God did NOT make a mistake. Rather, He made me like this for a reason. I DON'T think, darnit God, you made a mistake, why haven't you made me born a woman? However, I do think, God this kinda sucks. I wish I was born a woman. ANYWAYS that was just me ranting

I'm about to get SrS and people are telling me I'm mutilating and all this stuff... I mean I kinda am? I'm not sure what to think. I don't see it as me "fixing" something God created. But rather doing this for me to feel comfortable in my own skin.

Offline MaryT

  • Friend
  • ****
  • Posts: 301
  • Reputation: +3/-0
  • Gender: Female
Re: Christian and SrS
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2018, 03:55:24 pm »
SRS does involve a form of castration.

In Matthew 19:12, Jesus says

"For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it.” (English Standard Version)

Most theologians (and some non-literal translations) don't take it literally and say that Jesus meant celibacy.  However, celibacy just frustrates sexual desire whereas literal castration does reduce it.

I think that even theologians project their castration fears onto their belief systems.


Offline Doreen

  • Family
  • *****
  • Posts: 667
  • Reputation: +4/-0
  • Gender: Female
Re: Christian and SrS
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2018, 04:12:14 pm »
I'm a little worried because I'm Christian. And I'm about to get SrS... Everyone tells me that that I am ruining a piece of God's perfectly healthy part or whatever... And that I am thinking that God made a mistake

How I see it is that God did NOT make a mistake. Rather, He made me like this for a reason. I DON'T think, darnit God, you made a mistake, why haven't you made me born a woman? However, I do think, God this kinda sucks. I wish I was born a woman. ANYWAYS that was just me ranting

I'm about to get SrS and people are telling me I'm mutilating and all this stuff... I mean I kinda am? I'm not sure what to think. I don't see it as me "fixing" something God created. But rather doing this for me to feel comfortable in my own skin.

Their first mistaken assumption is that Gods creation is perfect.  Incorrect.  Mistakes, genetic variations, mutations, and 'failure to thrive' births happen all the time.  Those that manage to make it to term are born full of errors and natures oopsies.  Its how we advance as a species is all the mistakes made that manage to survive.  Who knows?  Maybe the future is full of hermaphrodites as a species?  I don't for a moment buy into the mistaken assumption that if you 'pray hard enough'  God will fix your illnesses.

They use that as a cop out to not understand someones challenges & difficulties.  Don't let peoples prejudices prevent you from living your life.  Christian or not, the choice is yours to make.

I've seen people use this as excuses not to fix cleft pallates, and 'encourage' parents to have children even when they're pretty certain they'll have very difficult genetic illnesses to deal with like cystic fibrosis.  Abortion is evil, right?  Again.. Your body, your choice, in the end.

Offline HappyMoni

  • *
  • Posts: 2,663
  • Reputation: +41/-0
  • Gender: Female
  • Smiles for the house, it's on me!
Re: Christian and SrS
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2018, 04:27:59 pm »
These people who tell you these things never dealt with dysphoria no doubt. They are trying to guilt you into not doing something that you already decided that you needed. Those of us who know dysphoria know you are legitimate in the choice you made to do this. Not to be disrespectful, but these people are probably freaked out  because 'sex' is involved in it. I doubt they are going down to the nearest Red Lobster trying to convince people not to eat shell fish.
I'm no expert, since I'm an atheist, but it is hard to imagine that any God would want you miserable if there is a way to fix it. Also, isn't there something about it not being their place to judge?
Good luck with surgery and finding peace in your life. You are doing the right thing.
If I ever offend you, let me know. It's not what I am about.
"Never let the dark kill your light!"  (SailorMars)

HRT June 11, 2015. (new birthday) - FFS in late June 2016. (Ugh!) - Full time June 18, 2016 (Yeah! finally) - GCS June 27, 2017. (McGinn=Yeah!) - Eye repair from FFS 8/17/17 - Nose surgery-November 20, 2017 (Dr. Papel=Yeah) - Hair Transplant on June 21, 2018 (Dr. Cooley) - Breast Augmentation on July 10, 2018 (Dr. Basner- in Baltimore)

]

Offline Danielle Kristina

  • The girl inside of me that I’ve been battling for years is winning the war.
  • Friend
  • ****
  • Posts: 170
  • Reputation: +2/-0
  • Gender: Female
  • One day at a time, one step at a time.
Re: Christian and SrS
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2018, 04:54:59 pm »
Queenie,

I too am a Christian.  In fact, I'm currently in school for Christian ministry.  My goal is to spread the Word of God and bring others to Christ. 

In dealing with my own transgender feelings I too was scared of what God might think of me expressing who I am as a trans woman.  After talking with others in the trans community, therapy sessions, personal reflection, and research study on transgender issues I have come to the conclusion that God does not make any mistakes.  He does, however, make anomalies.  Some people are born conjoint twins; some are born intersex; others are born with autism; still others are born blind or deaf; and some are born transgender.  Are these mistakes on God's part?  No.  Would it be a sin for a person born blind to undergo a surgery that will enable him or her to see?  No.  While we don't necessarily know or understand God's reasons for making people the way He does, we have to believe that He loves us all very much.  We each must walk the paths laid before us and learn the life lessons that He has ordained for us, and bear in mind that no two people can ever walk down the exact same path. 

Some people will use the Bible as a means of condemning others and claim to be Christians.  THe Ku Klux Klan is famous for quoting scripture as the reason for their activities, but yet they actively go against everything that Christ taught about love, tolerance, and caring for one another.  However, bear in mind that just as all Muslims are not radical terrorists, not all Christians condemn or persecute other people in the name of God. 

One final point: people have looked for reasons to persecute, hurt, and kill one another for thousands of years, religious or not.  On top of this, people love to justify their actions no matter how dastardly they might be, and they will use any means necessary, including God and the Bible, to excuse their behavior.  Just remember that not everyone that claims to be Christian by mouth necessarily does so by deed.  Also, no matter how perfect we try to be as humans, at our very best we are "but filthy rags" to God and thus can never stand up to His standards.  In matters of the Christian faith we must rely on His sufficient perfection, because all of human perfection is terribly tainted and corrupt at very best.


Hugs!!!



Danielle
April 19, 2018: First post here on Susan’s Place
April 27, 2018: First session with my gender therapist
July 30, 2018: Received my HRT letter

Becoming me more every day!!!

Online gingerViktorKay

  • ****
  • Posts: 125
  • Reputation: +2/-0
  • Gender: Female
Re: Christian and SrS
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2018, 05:10:40 pm »
Wouldn't God want you to be happy? Your not hurting anyone or doing bad things to people, so I don't think God will fault you. For many people SRS isn't an option because of cost and other things. You having the opportunity to have SRS can be considered a blessing.
40yo MtF
<abducted by aliens twice maybe three times> pretty sure they probed me

Offline amandam

  • Friend
  • ****
  • Posts: 389
  • Reputation: +3/-0
  • Gender: Female
Re: Christian and SrS
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2018, 05:15:02 pm »
I too am a Christian. Me and my therapist have decided I am not a candidate for transition. But, I would do it if warranted and have the wife's "permission". Think of your motivations for transition.

Is it some sort of kink? Transpeople can have sexual kinks that even include crossdressing, etc. Sexual feelings can be intertwined with gender issues. You have to peel back the layers to discover if your motivation is, at it's root, just a sexual thing. If that is the case, it is the wrong reason for transition.

If the root cause is not sexual, then could it be some form of idol worship where you want to not just be a woman, but a pretty one.

It could even be a little of both, or both of these mixed with some real trans identity issues. This was my problem. I am probably not going to transition, but even with all three above traits, I know God still loves me and I'm not cursed or condemned.

Are you looking for some "escape" from life or think that the other sex has it better? This wouldn't necessarily be a sin but it could be huge mistake.

Explore and understand your motivations. If the above cases don't seem to apply, then what you are left with is probably indeed a true transgender, i.e., a "birth defect" where the brain doesn't match the body. God doesn't condemn those who have medical issues.

Offline Dianne H

  • Newbie
  • **
  • Posts: 42
  • Reputation: +2/-0
  • Gender: Female
Re: Christian and SrS
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2018, 10:51:53 pm »
I too am a Christian. Me and my therapist have decided I am not a candidate for transition. But, I would do it if warranted and have the wife's "permission". Think of your motivations for transition.

Is it some sort of kink? Transpeople can have sexual kinks that even include crossdressing, etc. Sexual feelings can be intertwined with gender issues. You have to peel back the layers to discover if your motivation is, at it's root, just a sexual thing. If that is the case, it is the wrong reason for transition.

If the root cause is not sexual, then could it be some form of idol worship where you want to not just be a woman, but a pretty one.

It could even be a little of both, or both of these mixed with some real trans identity issues. This was my problem. I am probably not going to transition, but even with all three above traits, I know God still loves me and I'm not cursed or condemned.

Are you looking for some "escape" from life or think that the other sex has it better? This wouldn't necessarily be a sin but it could be huge mistake.

Explore and understand your motivations. If the above cases don't seem to apply, then what you are left with is probably indeed a true transgender, i.e., a "birth defect" where the brain doesn't match the body. God doesn't condemn those who have medical issues.

Amen.
Christian
US Army vet

Offline SallyChoasAura

  • Friend
  • ****
  • Posts: 272
  • Reputation: +1/-0
  • Gender: Questioning
Re: Christian and SrS
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2018, 11:00:33 pm »
Hey I was talking about this stuff earlier! The way I see it is that God makes some of us the wrong gender on purpose to test us or something else. Maybe He wanted us to be how we really are and to let us decided who we wanna be.😾

Offline SallyChoasAura

  • Friend
  • ****
  • Posts: 272
  • Reputation: +1/-0
  • Gender: Questioning
Re: Christian and SrS
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2018, 11:01:32 pm »
😸

Wrong emoji sorry😅

Online pamelatransuk

  • Finally taking action after decades of suppression
  • *
  • Posts: 591
  • Reputation: +3/-0
  • Gender: Female
Re: Christian and SrS
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2018, 08:51:48 am »
I too am a Christian. Me and my therapist have decided I am not a candidate for transition. But, I would do it if warranted and have the wife's "permission". Think of your motivations for transition.

Is it some sort of kink? Transpeople can have sexual kinks that even include crossdressing, etc. Sexual feelings can be intertwined with gender issues. You have to peel back the layers to discover if your motivation is, at it's root, just a sexual thing. If that is the case, it is the wrong reason for transition.

If the root cause is not sexual, then could it be some form of idol worship where you want to not just be a woman, but a pretty one.

It could even be a little of both, or both of these mixed with some real trans identity issues. This was my problem. I am probably not going to transition, but even with all three above traits, I know God still loves me and I'm not cursed or condemned.

Are you looking for some "escape" from life or think that the other sex has it better? This wouldn't necessarily be a sin but it could be huge mistake.

Explore and understand your motivations. If the above cases don't seem to apply, then what you are left with is probably indeed a true transgender, i.e., a "birth defect" where the brain doesn't match the body. God doesn't condemn those who have medical issues.

Hello Queenie and Amanda

I am Christian - Catholic to be precise and I started therapy last year (having suppressed and buried being transgender for so long that I could take the GD no longer) and have been on HRT for almost 6 months. I expect to transition next year. I do not know whether or not I will have GCS but I expect to have some surgeries probably BA.

I agree with Amanda that if you like me desire to be a woman but it is NOT sexual neither to be pretty nor to gain some sort of advantage by escaping but IS a gender identity problem you wish to correct, then I suggest GCS is the right course of action and would NOT offend God who wishes us to correct medical problems including by drugs or by surgery or both.

Hugs to you both

Pamela 



Offline Sydney_NYC

  • 46 MtF - NY/NJ, Kinky and Geeky, 6'5¼" Tall Redhead
  • *
  • Posts: 1,230
  • Reputation: +11/-0
  • Gender: Female
    • Tall Girl Sydney
Re: Christian and SrS
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2018, 01:43:48 am »
It's not any different than a child born with a cleft lip/palate. So as a Christain are you to say a child was created by God this way and it shouldn't be corrected??? Of course not, that would be silly.
Sydney



Born - 1970
Came Out To Self/Wife - Sept-21-2013
Started therapy - Oct-15-2013
Laser and Electrolysis - Oct-24-2013
HRT - Dec-12-2013
Full time - Mar-15-2014
Name change  - June-23-2014
GCS - Nov-2-2017


Offline LexieDragon

  • Friend
  • ****
  • Posts: 400
  • Reputation: +1/-0
  • Gender: Questioning
Re: Christian and SrS
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2018, 08:57:05 am »
Jew here. We all met...

and have decided to take the old testament back, we only lent it to you all as a basis to begin with and since so many Christians decide to harp on 1 part of Leviticus while simultaneously violating literally EVERY other rule in it, we feel that its not worth letting them use it anymore.

Good news! That means that you should be perfectly fine because that just leaves you with a _od that loves you no matter what you do.

Tongue in cheek yes. But there is a reason for that.

So much atrocity has been done and misery allowed in the name of rules and ideas that made sense to middle eastern men that hated the proto-Europeans (and honestly everyone that was not them) and REALLY REALLY loved to fight...a lot...several thousand years ago.

Remember Christians: God was mad in the old testament and imposed rules and regulations because of original sin. Jesus died as absolution for original sin. Ergo, in the christian bibles: the old testament is supposed to make you appreciate Life and _od's love by showing you what the ancients had to go through and what _od sent their son to absolve humanity of. IOW: You can ignore the only testaments teachings. _od is a happy and loving god, not a vengeful and cruel one.

Hope this helps somewhat.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Alexandra teh gr8

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Some clever text here]

Offline Coffeedrew

  • Neighbor
  • ***
  • Posts: 59
  • Reputation: +2/-0
Re: Christian and SrS
« Reply #13 on: Yesterday at 08:30:41 pm »
I read a book called Mastery by Robert Greene.I remember it talking about Charles Darwin’s religious view.I thought, and correct me if I am wrong, I vaguely remember it saying he used to be religious before he discovered his theory of evolution.I was raised Christian all my life.As I get older my faith in a higher power has been dim :(.To be completely honest with my feelings, I do not know what to believe anymore. One could argue many different points and they could all be right or wrong depending on individual beliefs.I will say one thing we all could assume to be a fact.We have one life to live and we need to live it to the fullest.(If I die and I have to stand before someone to be judged for my actions.I want the positive actions to outweigh the negative actions.I would be deeply saddened if my soul was negatively judged because I decided to change the way the body that holds it looks.In the end if it should have a negative consequence at least we have each other to keep us company. :)

Offline Virginia

  • Childhood trauma survivor with male & female alters
  • Friend
  • ****
  • Posts: 400
  • Reputation: +20/-0
  • (Vee-Aye, The State I live in, not my name)
Re: Christian and SrS
« Reply #14 on: Today at 05:43:05 am »
@ Queenie:
What is your God telling you about it? You are the only one who can decide whether other people's opinions and approval are more important to you than your own.
~VA (pronounced Vee- Aye)

Tags: