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Re: Politics and this site
« Reply #40 on: October 22, 2018, 07:12:36 pm »
I'm not trying to derail this thread, BUT things are pretty bad when the FLOTUS resigns. I mean seriously? What is next a divorce? Just WOW everyone.

Is "Stormy" going to be the new First Lady. Foreign relations may improve with some countries.

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Re: Politics and this site
« Reply #41 on: October 22, 2018, 07:51:43 pm »
I'm not trying to derail this thread, BUT things are pretty bad when the FLOTUS resigns. I mean seriously? What is next a divorce? Just WOW everyone.

Is "Stormy" going to be the new First Lady. Foreign relations may improve with some countries.

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Re: Politics and this site
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Re: Politics and this site
« Reply #43 on: October 23, 2018, 01:21:26 am »
Isos, I am nonplussed.

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Re: Politics and this site
« Reply #44 on: October 23, 2018, 06:45:44 am »
Go volunteer and see what you can do.  They can use all hands and feet to make sure the blue wave comes!

Is this what they mean by "the silent majority"?

I think I hear the sound of crickets chirping!

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Re: Politics and this site
« Reply #45 on: October 23, 2018, 05:53:33 pm »
I'm not trying to derail this thread, BUT things are pretty bad when the FLOTUS resigns. I mean seriously? What is next a divorce? Just WOW everyone.

Is "Stormy" going to be the new First Lady. Foreign relations may improve with some countries.

  She has not resigned (though it would be nice if she did) If you go this "news" from Patheos's Laughing in Disbelief written by Andrew Hall you were reading a satire. That was all I could find saying she resigned.

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Re: Politics and this site
« Reply #46 on: October 23, 2018, 08:22:40 pm »
If that is how you feel you don't understand. My suggestion is if you feel that way simply stay away from political discussions for the time being. You aren't allowed a voice on this web site on political issues if you support the right side of the political spectrum at this time. When they stop attacking the trans and LGBTQIA community that will change. Until then go argue your points on the sites dedicated to those points of view, but make sure you tell them you are trans see how you get treated there.

Someone attacking the actions of political parties or politicians is  not the same as them attacking you though through the cognitive dissonance some of you are operating on it may feel the same, but it's not.

Well Susan, on other sites I go to, such as gun sites, there are trans and gay members who have their politics attacked, but, they still have a voice on those sites. The Republicans say that the first thing the left tries to shut down is free speech, ala antifa, to quiet those who would disagree with them . Banning my political speech means I have less rights than my liberal friends here. I understand your anger, but, is this really what you want to do? I will abide by your decision, but hope you change your mind.


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Re: Politics and this site
« Reply #47 on: October 23, 2018, 08:42:58 pm »
Well Susan, on other sites I go to, such as gun sites, there are trans and gay members who have their politics attacked, but, they still have a voice on those sites. The Republicans say that the first thing the left tries to shut down is free speech, ala antifa, to quiet those who would disagree with them . Banning my political speech means I have less rights than my liberal friends here. I understand your anger, but, is this really what you want to do? I will abide by your decision, but hope you change your mind.

I agree, Amandam. So sad.

I left other trans sites because of fighting, politics and just generally childish behavior. My life is already hell and stress from many other issues in my life. I was looking for a quiet, peaceful place to read about others' thoughts and life stories and, only occasionally, add my little two-cents worth. It seems even the little bit of joy and learning I sometimes get here is now lost. Anyway, I am in the process of shutting down here and moving on.

Again, so sad.....

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Re: Politics and this site
« Reply #48 on: October 23, 2018, 08:47:33 pm »
Yaya!! This is great. The Republican Party needs to be held accountable
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Re: Politics and this site
« Reply #49 on: October 23, 2018, 09:53:46 pm »
@amandam @Shellie Hart

Well, the problem I have with doing the ‘fair and balanced’ thing, presenting both the Republican platform variations and their Heratige Foundation and Family Values Council base arguments is that it sets us up for a debate weighted very heavily against us.

TRIGGER WARNING - Trans invalidation arguments

If we look at the arguments from the ‘other side’, they have a few core tenets.  First, ‘transgender’ is not a real thing, but merely a mental illness.  Second, gender dysphoria and related issues, including depression, anxiety, and suicidal tendencies are all symptoms of the same mental illness.  Third, gender is merely another name for biological sex as assigned at birth.

Starting from such premises on the opposing side is rather like holding a discussion on the Space program, with equal time being granted to the Flat Earth Society.

If such a discussion is held, there will be an infinite series of ‘prove it’ demands from the opposition, as we retrace over 150 years of research into gender, sex, and identity from psychology, neuropsych, neuroendocrine, cytology, and embryology perspectives.  Note that the lack of scientific education on the part of the general public will make it extremely difficult for them to follow the discussions, and the innate distrust of much of the population for science in favor of cultural commonalities will render the discussion moot.

I suppose if someone was really interested in doing this, or in discussing the space program with the Flat Earth Society, that one could use any of the free blogging sites to host the discussion.

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Re: Politics and this site
« Reply #50 on: October 23, 2018, 10:23:31 pm »
  She has not resigned (though it would be nice if she did) If you go this "news" from Patheos's Laughing in Disbelief written by Andrew Hall you were reading a satire. That was all I could find saying she resigned.

Laurie

This speaks volumes about the entire administration.


edit: I want to add that I am not damning her for wearing the jacket. Maybe she is sending a not so subtle message to the American people.

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Re: Politics and this site
« Reply #51 on: October 23, 2018, 10:36:03 pm »
As far as "free speech" goes, I'll point out that this site is specifically a transgender support resource. As such, it's well within the bounds of reason to ban statements of support for transphobic polticians here. I would not necessarily support such a ban elsewhere; context and scope are key.

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Re: Politics and this site
« Reply #52 on: October 23, 2018, 11:11:01 pm »
The political system is broken in the USA.   We only hear about extreme positions. 
I am over a barrel on voting anymore as we have both political parties double down
on increasingly extreme positions.   George Carlin pointed out how this increasing
divisiveness may be part of a grander plan.   

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Re: Politics and this site
« Reply #53 on: October 23, 2018, 11:19:40 pm »
The political system is broken in the USA.   We only hear about extreme positions. 
I am over a barrel on voting anymore as we have both political parties double down
on increasingly extreme positions.   George Carlin pointed out how this increasing
divisiveness may be part of a grander plan.   


Sadly enough there are groups of gay and lesbian people who do not accept transgender people. The division is already here.

A house divided against itself will not stand.

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Re: Politics and this site
« Reply #54 on: October 23, 2018, 11:37:15 pm »
For all the conservatives complaining about the loss of their privilege to promote a political party that:

1. promotes transphobia.
2. wants to erase us from official existence.
3. whose leader/s benefit politically from playing the transgender card, demonizing us as a menace and winning votes from transphobes for doing so.
4. working to ban transgender people from military service (one of the few paths left in American society for working class kids to learn a skill and get upward mobility).
5. ban us from using the bathrooms that correspond to our gender identity.
6. prohibits officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention from using the word “transgender” in official documents.
7. I won't even mention the effect all these policies will have on further marginalizing trans kids. KIDS FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!!!

I would challenge you to read this thread that was posted way back on March 13, 2017 titled:

"Republicans and the transgender community"

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,221058.msg1957304.html#msg1957304

The list is long, dreary, and only getting longer.
All this from an administration that has already shown a remorseless, willingness and ability to put kids in cages.
Seriously!!! How bad does it have to get before transgender Republicans wake up and realize they are the proverbial chickens voting for Colonel Sanders?
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Re: Politics and this site
« Reply #55 on: October 24, 2018, 01:05:15 am »


I have. I see the world on my side. I am looking at the big picture, I'm not restricting my view to this one moment.
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Re: Politics and this site
« Reply #56 on: October 24, 2018, 01:07:26 am »
For all the conservatives complaining about the loss of their privilege to promote a political party that:

1. promotes transphobia.
2. wants to erase us from official existence.
3. whose leader/s benefit politically from playing the transgender card, demonizing us as a menace and winning votes from transphobes for doing so.
4. working to ban transgender people from military service (one of the few paths left in American society for working class kids to learn a skill and get upward mobility).
5. ban us from using the bathrooms that correspond to our gender identity.
6. prohibits officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention from using the word “transgender” in official documents.
7. I won't even mention the effect all these policies will have on further marginalizing trans kids. KIDS FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!!!

I would challenge you to read this thread that was posted way back on March 13, 2017 titled:

"Republicans and the transgender community"

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,221058.msg1957304.html#msg1957304

The list is long, dreary, and only getting longer.
All this from an administration that has already shown a remorseless, willingness and ability to put kids in cages.
Seriously!!! How bad does it have to get before transgender Republicans wake up and realize they are the proverbial chickens voting for Colonel Sanders?
Sadly some of them will not


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Re: Politics and this site
« Reply #57 on: October 24, 2018, 03:06:05 am »

Society and capitalism are on our side, LGBTIQ money is just as good as evangelical money. LGBTIQ skills in the workforce are as valid as anyone else's. This is the future, the tide has turned. The free market has outpaced our sad system of government where the players have rigged their way into lifetime positions.

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Interesting, when Donald Trump won the election I had a conversation with my dad and stated my opinion as -  america is run by business interests a lot more than government, businesses in the USA are not driven by the same methods and thinking as the government, I think the people who are very upset over this will come to realize this is not actually the end of the world at all and Trump will end up looking less powerful than people think he is.
Businesses in the USA are practical and pragmatic, hatefulness takes up too much time and energy, which is why most for profit businesses will avoid it.  But I think Trump has really tainted the US presidency and made it look cheap and tacky with these short term maneuvers.

just my opinion.

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Re: Politics and this site
« Reply #58 on: October 24, 2018, 07:19:07 am »
I certainly don't think the right-wing society I grew up in has our back. That's why we need government protections.

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Re: Politics and this site
« Reply #59 on: October 24, 2018, 07:28:45 am »
Sadly enough there are groups of gay and lesbian people who do not accept transgender people. The division is already here.

A house divided against itself will not stand.
It gets worse, there is a group of transgender people who consider anybody, who did not transition in childhood as not real trans.  If you ever used your sexual organ to create a child, you cannot be transgender I was told.  I am only a horny old guy who jumps the transgender bandwagon to be ale to spy on the transgender people and get high on this!!

That is what I was told (not in this group, though).  How can you expect lesbians or gay people to react different if there is a transgender police out there who decides who is transgender and who not?
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