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Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2019, 07:44:10 pm »
Hi Katie,

That makes total sense- thank you so much for sharing this. I only visited E3000 early July this year for the first time. I know that it is now co-owned by Denise and i think her sister Sabrina. I have only had Denise and one of their techs Natasha work on me during my 1st clearing. BTW i am a gay male and im not transitioning but i want most of my facial hair gone. My husband, an ex surgeon, was accompanying me and i had to call him into the room because i felt the numbing injections stabbing in my face and i felt that something wasnt right. When he asked one of the techs to change her technique slightly it made a HUGE difference in pain. The tech, Natasha, was very willing to try out a new way and I was extremely pleased that they did not feel threatened by having my husband around. Denise, the owner (who also worked on my face at the same time as did Natasha) is better at injecting than the other techs so going ahead i will feel comfortable with them. That said i must say that my husband also said that they did a GOOD job with injecting though it could have been better... he said that in any case numbing shots on the face hurt like crazy and not even all doctors or nurses inject perfectly- some are better than the others.

Anyway with regards to the actual electrolysis, I had about 14 total tech hours on my face, 90% on Day 1 and the remainder on Day 2. My face did swell but not as much as i had expected it to. I iced it a lot on the 1st night and slept in an elevated manner. I live in Boston so i flew back 3 days after with some swelling and mild bruising on my left side of the neck. All the swelling went down within 10 days as did the bruises. Right now on Day 17, i have 4-5 ingrowns on my neck. I shaved once on Day 15 because i wanted to give my skin a break from any further irritation. All my stubble is back now and i cant wait for Session 2.

I think possibly what might have gone wrong in your case is that they used a much higher current than they should have- perhaps they were new in those days and not as experienced. I have also read that numbing shots dont allow an electrologist to get feedback on the client with regards to the current because the person is totally numb- this can lead to over treatment and scabbing etc...I think that now they probably treat more conservatively but im not a professional to comment on technique.  I think that over the past 15 years the owner Denise has gained much experience to not do that....

Precision sounds like a good bet though i have concerns about using twilight sedation - im totally cool with the lidocaine shots though- i have read here that people felt groggy for hours after their treatment. Im not sure i would like to deal with that for 3 clearings!


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Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2019, 09:46:06 pm »


So, it was either 2000 or 2005, I don't recall which. (Those were the years I flew to the Oshkosh, WI AirVenture, and I stopped in on the way to AirVenture.) I had heard good things about them and so made an appointment. They told me they should be able to do a complete clearing in one day, which would not show hairs for a week or two, and within a week or so, I could be back in makeup. They did not ask for pictures of my facial hair. When I got there, they were VERY pleasant, and in spite of my looks called me she/her 100% of the time. The owner, maybe, at the time was a dentist, and she would come in and give you some injections, and the technicians would get to work. We stopped for lunch, and after lunch more injections, and they went at it again. The injections hurt like holy tarnation. But they were hugely effective. The whole thing was completely painless except for the excruciating pain of the injections.

When they were done at the end of the day, they had "cleared" my upper lip, and about an inch wide swath down each side of my face, in sort of the goatee area. They did not touch the cheeks, nor throat. (Which as it turned out, was good for me.)  My lower face resembled hamburger, and was oozing and dripping a lot. They suggested zinc oxide and some antibiotic. But either of those just sort of melted off pretty quickly. After a week of oozing, it did stop, to be replaced by huge scabs all over my chin. The scabs lasted another month or so. During that time, I could not shave anywhere close to the area, and hair was everywhere. I had hoped to visit AirVenture dressed as female, but that was not possible. And, actually it was probably two months before I could remove enough facial hair and /or wear make to go outside. It was one of the most embarrassing times of my entire life. When all the healing had finished, I had several scars left in the area. They are still there, my reminder of trying to do the easy-button version of transition.

Fast forward 15 or 20 years, and because of my work schedule, I have had perhaps 20 hours of additional electrolysis. It is a huge pain for me to work as a female, and somehow let my facial hair grow for 3 or 4 days to get long enough to zap. And having to shave while hiding in a bathroom stall every mid-afternoon has been less than fun. So, in desperation... once again, I am thinking of trying for the easy button approach.

I literally don't know what I will do if Precision hair ends up the way Electrology 2000 did for me.

Was that more information than I should have shared?  ;D

Katie

Katie I didn't have any oozing or dripping. I had redness on the left side of my neck that lasted a few weeks. That was the worst of it.

My numbing medication stopped working during the last hour of removal. I can say that the electrolysis definitely hurt, but by no means did I feel like it was worse than I could handle or that it was burning me.

All the ladies at Precision were very conscious and good at their job. I feel like I was in good hands with women who truly care about the transgender community and work very hard to help us during this step.

I didn't have to shave for 2.5 weeks after. Even now after almost a full month, the hair that is growing back is extremely sparse and most of it is more peachy than it is man hair.

I'm sorry you had such a terrible experience. Ivana is familiar with the place down in Texas. If you share your experience with her, I am sure she will talk through any concerns you have.

Good luck sis!
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Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2019, 02:13:04 pm »
Hi Lacy-

How many hours of electrolysis did you need for your face on your last clearing at Precision? Also was it your 1st ever clearing? You mentioned that you scheduled for 2 days- could you tell me the breakup of how many hrs on days 1 and 2.

My 1st clearing took 14 hours. Im curious to hear your experience-

thanks a ton :)

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Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2019, 10:45:14 am »
Hi Lacy-

How many hours of electrolysis did you need for your face on your last clearing at Precision? Also was it your 1st ever clearing? You mentioned that you scheduled for 2 days- could you tell me the breakup of how many hrs on days 1 and 2.

My 1st clearing took 14 hours. Im curious to hear your experience-

thanks a ton :)

@Cav27,
This was my first clearing. I had 30 hours over two days. it was split up 12/18 (6/9 with 2 technicians) on those two days.
I feel like they did a very good job. They got all but a small patch on the lower right side of my neck.

The worst part for me was laying down for that long. The first day was worse because I was on a table that didn't recline. It was just flat. I had hardly any support for my lower back and ended up with some pretty intense cramps. I would definitely recommend asking for or bringing a pillow or cushion for support. The second day I was in a room with a chair that reclined to all the way flat. It had much better support for my back, and even in the most reclined position, I was never completely flat!

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Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2019, 04:18:21 pm »
Wow 30 hours is a lot! I was done in 14 hours in E3K in Dallas but im not sure whether Precision uses a different technique than does E3k. E3k uses thermolysis. If i do switch to Precision, i hope im not in for 30 hrs- seems too brutal ... lol

Did you feel the pain from lidocaine shots? Not sure what the point of twilight is if one still feels all the pain from the shots?

Btw prior to my 1st ever clearing i was told that i have an "average" beard if that makes a difference.

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« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2019, 05:00:17 pm »
Wow 30 hours is a lot! I was done in 14 hours in E3K in Dallas but im not sure whether Precision uses a different technique than does E3k. E3k uses thermolysis. If i do switch to Precision, i hope im not in for 30 hrs- seems too brutal ... lol

Did you feel the pain from lidocaine shots? Not sure what the point of twilight is if one still feels all the pain from the shots?

Btw prior to my 1st ever clearing i was told that i have an "average" beard if that makes a difference.

I had a thick beard! Thankfully not a thick mustache! I come from a family where the men have been known to win collegiate beard-growing contests! 30 hours was intense! I was ready for a break by the time it was over! Now I just want to kill more hair!

They do free consultations for new patients. You have to grow your facial hair out for a while to ensure they see your full growth. That is the unfun portion. If you have already had 14 hours or more done, there is no way you will need 30 hours at a time!

Yes, I could feel the bone pinching flavor of the lidocaine shots! The twilight wasn't nearly as potent as I expected. But I know everyone handles each drug differently, but I would have preferred a stronger brew! That said once things were going I did notice myself doses off to sleep.
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Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2019, 09:29:04 pm »
I remember that for my clearing i must have had 70-80 shots in all in 1 day! I was emotionally drained... AND THOSE SHOTS HURT LIKE HELL too-

How many shots did you get at a time? And how many times per day? Was it Dr Zukowski himself injecting you? Sorry for my questions but the more one knows about it before going in, the better it can be emotionally...

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« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2019, 04:54:42 pm »


I remember that for my clearing i must have had 70-80 shots in all in 1 day! I was emotionally drained... AND THOSE SHOTS HURT LIKE HELL too-

How many shots did you get at a time? And how many times per day? Was it Dr Zukowski himself injecting you? Sorry for my questions but the more one knows about it before going in, the better it can be emotionally...

They are definitely painful! I thought it felt like an extremely hard pinch on my bones! I didn't get anywhere near 70 or 80 shots. I couldn't imagine that many!
I believe I got maybe 30 to 40. That was spaced out over the 8 hours time. They only numbed the area they were working on and a bit around it.

Dr. Zukowski and 2 nurses are the only ones who can give the injections. He gave me all of them but 1 round. He was gone for a kunch meeting and one of the nurses came in and numbed me back up. I thought they both did a very good job with it. Having him place my IV and give me the shots made me feel very comfortable.

I completely agree that knowing as much ahead of time is vital for emotional reprieve of anxiety! I will answer any and all questions you may have!

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Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
« Reply #28 on: August 26, 2019, 08:49:53 am »

 I will answer any and all questions you may have!

Lacy

Hello Lacy,
I was wondering how things are going now a month+ post treatment? And, do you have your appointment for going back?  ;D

I am there this week. A bit nervous, but at this point, ready to try anything.

I am in the middle of letting the facial hair grow out. It's hard to leave the house. It has been perhaps 40 years since I have left the house without shaving. I have to fly to Chicago, and I am dreading the TSA and airplane people seeing me. I have been thinking of trying Boy mode travel, but all my ID is Girl mode, and the name is Kate.

And, I am desperate...

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Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
« Reply #29 on: August 29, 2019, 01:10:07 pm »
Im guessing that youre on the electrolysis chair now- how did day 1 go?

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Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
« Reply #30 on: September 01, 2019, 11:58:17 am »
Im guessing that youre on the electrolysis chair now- how did day 1 go?

So, I am back home now after both days. I have LOTS to say, and a few pictures to show. Some are exceptionally embarrassing to me, but I have been inspired by Lacy's transparency, and maybe any of this will help others thinking about Precision Hair Removal.

Short background: I had been to E2000 (now E3000) in about 2001, and had 16 hours of work done that damaged my skin and turned my chin into hamburger for at least a month. Since 2001, I have tried the hour here, hour there thing, but because of my work schedule could never get anything regular going for long. So, all told I have had perhaps 30 hours of electrolysis done on my face in my life. This is the picture I sent to Precision Hair as the before picture.



I was told to plan for two days, and I signed up for last Thursday and Friday. I was told to show up at 9:00 AM on Thursday and that a half hour of prep each day was built into the schedule. Being pathologically early to everything, I showed up at 8:15. I walked through the red doors and there were chairs and nothing else. No people, no nothing. So, I sort of stood around for a bit and maybe 10 minutes later, Irena sticks her head out of the back room and says, "Here for electrolysis? Have a seat, someone will be with you soon." Soon turned out to be 9:05, when Irena came back out and brought me to that same back room. She had me sit on the table and she slathered the numbing cream all over my face.



Irena said the doctor would be there about 9:30, do the IV and drugs, do the lidocaine in the face, and we would get started. 9:30 came, but no Dr. Z. 10:00 came and no Dr. Z. About 10:20 Dr. Z does come in. He is pleasant enough, although I still don't like being called Honey by men younger than me, which is just about all of them... While putting in the IV, he gave me the sales pitch about 60 - 80% of his practices is TG and... The Dr adds the versed (a benzodiazepine sedative), which works pretty quickly. A couple minutes later, the Dr comes in and injects the upper part of my face about 10 times with lidocaine. He does this in what looks like a willy-nilly cowboy fashion. One handed, and sloppy, it seems to me. Lidocaine is spraying all over the place, and I bleed like a stuck pig. But it doesn't hurt a lot. HEE-HEE breathing gets me through it.
Dan and Digmar (spelling?) start working on me. Talk about focus. In my life, I do not think I have ever seen such focus in one person, and here were two people, really going at it. they start at the top of my side burns and work down. They never stop. Never. The only time they stop is if I ask to stop. They never eat, they never pee, they talk only to ask me to move my head this way or that. It was incredible.
About 11:30, the Dr says he is leaving for an hour, and did anyone need more shots. Nope, we are all good, as the lidocaine should work for 4 to 6 hours. However, by about 2:30, I can feel everything. But no Dr. Z. Of course they keep working, because nothing stops these incredible people. 3:00 comes and goes without seeing Dr. Z. About 3:30, he comes into the office, and Digmar and Dan immediately stop and wait for him to inject me.
But did I mention that the lidocaine had worn off more than an hour ago? Hmmm. There is no Versed for anything but the first round of the day. So, Dr. Z goes to inject my face, in about the same 10 places, but this time I felt every little bit. If you would like to know what it felt like do this: Take a 2.5 inch 20 gauge needle and stick it into your face, all the way, under the skin about 10 times all around your cheeks, jaw, and chin. I was trying not to scream, but I was crying like a baby. I have not birthed a baby, so maybe I don't know severe pain, but those 3 minutes were the most painful of my entire life. Dr. Z kept saying, "You're doing great, honey." Like hell I was doing great...
Dan spent the next 5 minutes very gently wiping the tears and blood off my face.
Then, Digmar and Dan got back to work. They had me positioned with my head lower than my feet, which put a strange pressure on my back. After 3 or 4 hours, my back hurt a lot. I had to take breaks every hour or so to stretch it out, and even then, it hurt enough to make me cry. OK. You may be getting the idea that I am a big baby. Until Thursday, I did not think I was a big baby. (I have had 9 knee surgeries with no post-surgery pain killers after the first one, and every doctor I have ever been to has remarked about my high pain tolerance.) before the Dr left, they had him give me one more round, and he commented on how quickly I metabolize drugs. lucky me.
I thought because of the late start that Digmar and Dan would end at 5 or 6, and I would just be shorted hours. Little did I know their perseverance. At 6:00 I asked them how much longer. I was constantly crying because of my back. Dan replied, "How about another hour?" OK. Let's do it. At 7:00, we were done. I walked back to the hotel (which I was later told I should not have done. Don't exercise after electrolysis!) And, I looked like this:



I asked about what time to show up the next day, Friday. They said 12:15. 12:15???? How will we ever get done if we start so late???  Irina says, We will try really, really hard to get the rest done in that one day. Oh boy. No one told me previously that Friday was a late start day. Crud. If I had known, I would have scheduled a different day. Crud. Oh well, that will give time to do the Lymphatic Recovery thing in the morning at least.

I did all the things they told me about Neosporin and Eucerin, and sleeping elevated, and the next morning it looked like this:



Not super bad swelling. Reina came in, not at 8:00, but more like 8:35. Late, but Reina was great. She was VERY transparent about her own story, very knowledgeable about lymphatics, and very efficient. the Lymphatic Recovery felt very good, and maybe even it helped.
12:00, and I was back in the office. By 12:10, I was in the nearer room, with the flat table. I worried about my back with that table based on Lacy's comments. By 12:15, I was gooped up, waiting the for Dr again, who supposedly would be there at 12:30. Nope. 1:05 he shows up. He still calls me Honey, but at least this time he doesn't give me the sales pitch. He does the Versed, and the injections, which like day 1 I can feel but they don't hurt that much. He doses me pretty good I think, because of the day before.
The second day, I had Dan on the left, and Irina on the right, because although Dan is a right side person, so is Irina, and Irina wins. (I had no idea there were left side and right side electrologists. Apparently they CAN do either side, but always have a strong preference. Who knew???) They start working, and it is the same intensity as the day before. Incredible. About 3:30, the Dr calls out that he is leaving, and did anyone need anything. Irina asks, if he is leaving for the day, and Dr Z responds, "That's what leaving means..." Even though it may be a bit early, she asks him to come re-do me. He does, and because everything is still numb, I barely feel it. And then Dan and Irina get after it. By about 3:30 my back was hurting, but there was no way I was going to say anything and have them stop.

And, about 6:30, they were actually done with the lower half. even being so late on a Friday, the last 15 minutes were each one looking over the other's work to see if another set of eyes would find something else to zap. when I left, my face looked like this:



And the full face version:



The next morning, my upper face seemed a lot better, although both upper and lower face were still oozing quite a bit. By the time I got home yesterday afternoon, it didn't look all that bad besides the crusty oozing crud all over my chin and neck. In fact my spouse and I visited friends last night and neither of them commented on my face. Sort of, it looked a lot like it did when I was 30 pounds heavier. This morning, it is a bit more swollen, but at least I can open my mouth almost all the way. It is still oozing quite a bit.

But, I am confident that the swelling will be gone in less than a week, and that I should be able to go out and be seen by the 10th of September, when I am supposed to be back in front of customers.

So, my summary:
1: Irina and her whole crew are incredible in every way. They are not only exceptional at their job, they are dedicated and intense at a level that is nearly super-human. I cannot say good enough things about them. Considering that I have paid other electrologists $100/hour, their $130/hour is an incredible value.
2. Dr. Z sucks. Totally sucks. At least for this part. He may be the best plastic surgeon in the world. But I would not go to him to wash my car, much less slice open my face. I mentioned to Dan that Dr. Z did not seem very precise. Dan said, He is with his surgeries. Maybe. But I would never give him the chance. That said, if you go to Precision Hair Removal, you have no choice. None.

So, in fact, I will schedule my next appointment for round two. I will do my best to keep Dr. Z shooting me up before he leaves for long periods of time. In my mind, Dr. Z is the price I pay to get Irina, Dan, and Digmar.

Sorry for the super long post. I just thought I would do the brain dump, in case anyone wanted to know.

Katie

PS. I thought I would add one final picture. This is a close up on my neck. There are two things to note: 1: The oozing scabbing part, which was significant on my chin and throat presumably because of the hair density there and all the heat it takes to nuke all of them. And, 2: there is bruising below the hair, right about where the adams apple would be. You can't see it well, but it is pretty well bruised. They end up having to push in pretty hard to stretch the skin and on my throat, that caused lots of bruising that I can still feel. And actually, the only painful thing today, Sunday, is that bruising. It looks like someone tried to strangle me. Which, come to think of it is sort of what it felt like when they were working down there...



(Edited to try to correct image links...
And a second edit for the PS...)

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« Reply #31 on: September 01, 2019, 04:53:35 pm »
Oh my god, Katie. That is VERY intense...!

Im glad you found the courage to go ahead with this and also book your next session.

So since we last texted, i did a 1 hour trial session with a local electrologist who is excellent with over 30 years of experience and is super professional. I hired my own doctor to give the lidocaine shots (with epinephrine) so the 1 hr trial with the electrologist worked fine. I dont why many other people do not pursue this option- look up "concierge doctors" in your area and reach out to each with your detailed story. I am now booked for an entire clearing over 2 days during the end of September. No more travel to either Texas or IL for now- im glad i did the 1st clearing in Texas though. Without it, i wouldnt have known what to look for in either the lidocaine shots or the electrologist.

Anyway, if this works for you- go with it. I would email the doctor directly and tell him your experience. Your pain is most important in this and you should not have to go through the stabbing pain. I felt that pain in Texas too and i also kind of cried. Never again!

Good luck with your recovery though- i was thinking of you on the 30th because i remembered that you were going to go through this with Precision.

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Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
« Reply #32 on: September 01, 2019, 05:16:13 pm »
Oh my god, Katie. That is VERY intense...!

Im glad you found the courage to go ahead with this and also book your next session.

So since we last texted, i did a 1 hour trial session with a local electrologist who is excellent with over 30 years of experience and is super professional. I hired my own doctor to give the lidocaine shots (with epinephrine) so the 1 hr trial with the electrologist worked fine. I dont why many other people do not pursue this option- look up "concierge doctors" in your area and reach out to each with your detailed story. I am now booked for an entire clearing over 2 days during the end of September. No more travel to either Texas or IL for now- im glad i did the 1st clearing in Texas though. Without it, i wouldnt have known what to look for in either the lidocaine shots or the electrologist.



Good luck with your recovery though- i was thinking of you on the 30th because i remembered that you were going to go through this with Precision.

Thanks, Cav!

I very much look forward to your report of the personal version of this...!

Katie

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Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
« Reply #33 on: September 01, 2019, 05:23:52 pm »
Ok- I will keep you posted here. I am in Boston, MA. Not sure where you live but im in touch with some trans women in Boston who might also use my research for their electrolysis. I emailed over 30 electrologists in the MA area and narrowed down on 1 eventually and the trial worked great.

The biggest problem with beard electrolysis is that it takes SO long and the electrologists need an MD to make the process more tolerable. In Texas, they dont have a Dr and my injections didnt work too well- in Chicago, you had an MD who injected you the really fast so you felt the stabbing pain. So much for the MD. We really need a sensitive doctor who truly cares to make this procedure easier- without which, i suspect everyone will have to endure the stabbing injections.

Anyway, more later this month once i have updates. Im just doing my clearing at my own schedule and convenience - with the doctor accompanying me to the electrologists office for the shots. IF for some reason this doc doesnt work out, there are several others. For the right amount of money, several other doctors (PCP's) will be interested in this.

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« Reply #34 on: September 01, 2019, 07:33:08 pm »
 Katie,
I am so glad that you got through your appointment! It takes a real trooper to handle so many hours of electrolysis.

Your description of Irena and her staff is so accurate! They are machines. Next level workers for sure.

Sorry to hear that Dr. Z was rough with your face and made you cry. Those shots are the worst! It is unfortunate that his nurses weren't available to come give you shots when he wasn't there. With him having his own practice and schedule it can be inconvenient not to have someone to numb you up when needed.

From your pictures, it looks like your swelling wasn't terrible the next morning. I can't believe you walked back to your hotel after all that work! You must have been one hurting girl!

The back pain was one of the worst parts for me. It is one of those things that drives me crazy! Next time I go there I will be bringing some back support.

It has been nearly 2 months since my session. I feel like the only hair that has grown back as much as it did before is my mustache. It never has been thick, but it seems it is pretty resilient. I think the lady who did the left side of my neck burned me a bit. That redness has just left within the past 2 weeks. The only other hair that grows back regular like and dark is the patch they weren't able to get. So that isn't unexpected.

It doesn't look like you have any burns. I'm happy for you!

How was your traveling adventures? How did you end up handling everything?

Lacy


So, I am back home now after both days. I have LOTS to say, and a few pictures to show. Some are exceptionally embarrassing to me, but I have been inspired by Lacy's transparency, and maybe any of this will help others thinking about Precision Hair Removal.

Short background: I had been to E2000 (now E3000) in about 2001, and had 16 hours of work done that damaged my skin and turned my chin into hamburger for at least a month. Since 2001, I have tried the hour here, hour there thing, but because of my work schedule could never get anything regular going for long. So, all told I have had perhaps 30 hours of electrolysis done on my face in my life. This is the picture I sent to Precision Hair as the before picture.



I was told to plan for two days, and I signed up for last Thursday and Friday. I was told to show up at 9:00 AM on Thursday and that a half hour of prep each day was built into the schedule. Being pathologically early to everything, I showed up at 8:15. I walked through the red doors and there were chairs and nothing else. No people, no nothing. So, I sort of stood around for a bit and maybe 10 minutes later, Irena sticks her head out of the back room and says, "Here for electrolysis? Have a seat, someone will be with you soon." Soon turned out to be 9:05, when Irena came back out and brought me to that same back room. She had me sit on the table and she slathered the numbing cream all over my face.



Irena said the doctor would be there about 9:30, do the IV and drugs, do the lidocaine in the face, and we would get started. 9:30 came, but no Dr. Z. 10:00 came and no Dr. Z. About 10:20 Dr. Z does come in. He is pleasant enough, although I still don't like being called Honey by men younger than me, which is just about all of them... While putting in the IV, he gave me the sales pitch about 60 - 80% of his practices is TG and... The Dr adds the versed (a benzodiazepine sedative), which works pretty quickly. A couple minutes later, the Dr comes in and injects the upper part of my face about 10 times with lidocaine. He does this in what looks like a willy-nilly cowboy fashion. One handed, and sloppy, it seems to me. Lidocaine is spraying all over the place, and I bleed like a stuck pig. But it doesn't hurt a lot. HEE-HEE breathing gets me through it.
Dan and Digmar (spelling?) start working on me. Talk about focus. In my life, I do not think I have ever seen such focus in one person, and here were two people, really going at it. they start at the top of my side burns and work down. They never stop. Never. The only time they stop is if I ask to stop. They never eat, they never pee, they talk only to ask me to move my head this way or that. It was incredible.
About 11:30, the Dr says he is leaving for an hour, and did anyone need more shots. Nope, we are all good, as the lidocaine should work for 4 to 6 hours. However, by about 2:30, I can feel everything. But no Dr. Z. Of course they keep working, because nothing stops these incredible people. 3:00 comes and goes without seeing Dr. Z. About 3:30, he comes into the office, and Digmar and Dan immediately stop and wait for him to inject me.
But did I mention that the lidocaine had worn off more than an hour ago? Hmmm. There is no Versed for anything but the first round of the day. So, Dr. Z goes to inject my face, in about the same 10 places, but this time I felt every little bit. If you would like to know what it felt like do this: Take a 2.5 inch 20 gauge needle and stick it into your face, all the way, under the skin about 10 times all around your cheeks, jaw, and chin. I was trying not to scream, but I was crying like a baby. I have not birthed a baby, so maybe I don't know severe pain, but those 3 minutes were the most painful of my entire life. Dr. Z kept saying, "You're doing great, honey." Like hell I was doing great...
Dan spent the next 5 minutes very gently wiping the tears and blood off my face.
Then, Digmar and Dan got back to work. They had me positioned with my head lower than my feet, which put a strange pressure on my back. After 3 or 4 hours, my back hurt a lot. I had to take breaks every hour or so to stretch it out, and even then, it hurt enough to make me cry. OK. You may be getting the idea that I am a big baby. Until Thursday, I did not think I was a big baby. (I have had 9 knee surgeries with no post-surgery pain killers after the first one, and every doctor I have ever been to has remarked about my high pain tolerance.) before the Dr left, they had him give me one more round, and he commented on how quickly I metabolize drugs. lucky me.
I thought because of the late start that Digmar and Dan would end at 5 or 6, and I would just be shorted hours. Little did I know their perseverance. At 6:00 I asked them how much longer. I was constantly crying because of my back. Dan replied, "How about another hour?" OK. Let's do it. At 7:00, we were done. I walked back to the hotel (which I was later told I should not have done. Don't exercise after electrolysis!) And, I looked like this:



I asked about what time to show up the next day, Friday. They said 12:15. 12:15???? How will we ever get done if we start so late???  Irina says, We will try really, really hard to get the rest done in that one day. Oh boy. No one told me previously that Friday was a late start day. Crud. If I had known, I would have scheduled a different day. Crud. Oh well, that will give time to do the Lymphatic Recovery thing in the morning at least.

I did all the things they told me about Neosporin and Eucerin, and sleeping elevated, and the next morning it looked like this:



Not super bad swelling. Reina came in, not at 8:00, but more like 8:35. Late, but Reina was great. She was VERY transparent about her own story, very knowledgeable about lymphatics, and very efficient. the Lymphatic Recovery felt very good, and maybe even it helped.
12:00, and I was back in the office. By 12:10, I was in the nearer room, with the flat table. I worried about my back with that table based on Lacy's comments. By 12:15, I was gooped up, waiting the for Dr again, who supposedly would be there at 12:30. Nope. 1:05 he shows up. He still calls me Honey, but at least this time he doesn't give me the sales pitch. He does the Versed, and the injections, which like day 1 I can feel but they don't hurt that much. He doses me pretty good I think, because of the day before.
The second day, I had Dan on the left, and Irina on the right, because although Dan is a right side person, so is Irina, and Irina wins. (I had no idea there were left side and right side electrologists. Apparently they CAN do either side, but always have a strong preference. Who knew???) They start working, and it is the same intensity as the day before. Incredible. About 3:30, the Dr calls out that he is leaving, and did anyone need anything. Irina asks, if he is leaving for the day, and Dr Z responds, "That's what leaving means..." Even though it may be a bit early, she asks him to come re-do me. He does, and because everything is still numb, I barely feel it. And then Dan and Irina get after it. By about 3:30 my back was hurting, but there was no way I was going to say anything and have them stop.

And, about 6:30, they were actually done with the lower half. even being so late on a Friday, the last 15 minutes were each one looking over the other's work to see if another set of eyes would find something else to zap. when I left, my face looked like this:



And the full face version:



The next morning, my upper face seemed a lot better, although both upper and lower face were still oozing quite a bit. By the time I got home yesterday afternoon, it didn't look all that bad besides the crusty oozing crud all over my chin and neck. In fact my spouse and I visited friends last night and neither of them commented on my face. Sort of, it looked a lot like it did when I was 30 pounds heavier. This morning, it is a bit more swollen, but at least I can open my mouth almost all the way. It is still oozing quite a bit.

But, I am confident that the swelling will be gone in less than a week, and that I should be able to go out and be seen by the 10th of September, when I am supposed to be back in front of customers.

So, my summary:
1: Irina and her whole crew are incredible in every way. They are not only exceptional at their job, they are dedicated and intense at a level that is nearly super-human. I cannot say good enough things about them. Considering that I have paid other electrologists $100/hour, their $130/hour is an incredible value.
2. Dr. Z sucks. Totally sucks. At least for this part. He may be the best plastic surgeon in the world. But I would not go to him to wash my car, much less slice open my face. I mentioned to Dan that Dr. Z did not seem very precise. Dan said, He is with his surgeries. Maybe. But I would never give him the chance. That said, if you go to Precision Hair Removal, you have no choice. None.

So, in fact, I will schedule my next appointment for round two. I will do my best to keep Dr. Z shooting me up before he leaves for long periods of time. In my mind, Dr. Z is the price I pay to get Irina, Dan, and Digmar.

Sorry for the super long post. I just thought I would do the brain dump, in case anyone wanted to know.

Katie

PS. I thought I would add one final picture. This is a close up on my neck. There are two things to note: 1: The oozing scabbing part, which was significant on my chin and throat presumably because of the hair density there and all the heat it takes to nuke all of them. And, 2: there is bruising below the hair, right about where the adams apple would be. You can't see it well, but it is pretty well bruised. They end up having to push in pretty hard to stretch the skin and on my throat, that caused lots of bruising that I can still feel. And actually, the only painful thing today, Sunday, is that bruising. It looks like someone tried to strangle me. Which, come to think of it is sort of what it felt like when they were working down there...



(Edited to try to correct image links...
And a second edit for the PS...)
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Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
« Reply #35 on: September 02, 2019, 12:37:48 pm »
Just a huge amount of thanks to all of those who provided details about their experience.

 I live in down state IL & it is impossible to find anyone local. Even for an hour. Either of the 2 ladies doing it in my hometown area desire small projects apparently. Grrrr.

 So quick question. How long of a span is needed prior to having FFS between electrolysis at this level? Guessing 3 months would be ideal?

 Also, how long after the treatment with the lidocaine & twilight before you can drive? Would rather make it a crazy long day vs 2 nights in a hotel. Just to clarify, will have completed 15 rounds of laser with a local facility by weeks end. Had a few hours of electrolysis years ago. That is where I learned the first facility really preferred small spot treatments.

 Any info appreciated & (again) much appreciate all of the info provided in this thread.

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Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
« Reply #36 on: September 02, 2019, 12:42:44 pm »
Katie,
I am so glad that you got through your appointment! It takes a real trooper to handle so many hours of electrolysis.

Your description of Irena and her staff is so accurate! They are machines. Next level workers for sure.

Sorry to hear that Dr. Z was rough with your face and made you cry. Those shots are the worst! It is unfortunate that his nurses weren't available to come give you shots when he wasn't there. With him having his own practice and schedule it can be inconvenient not to have someone to numb you up when needed.

From your pictures, it looks like your swelling wasn't terrible the next morning. I can't believe you walked back to your hotel after all that work! You must have been one hurting girl!

The back pain was one of the worst parts for me. It is one of those things that drives me crazy! Next time I go there I will be bringing some back support.

It has been nearly 2 months since my session. I feel like the only hair that has grown back as much as it did before is my mustache. It never has been thick, but it seems it is pretty resilient. I think the lady who did the left side of my neck burned me a bit. That redness has just left within the past 2 weeks. The only other hair that grows back regular like and dark is the patch they weren't able to get. So that isn't unexpected.

It doesn't look like you have any burns. I'm happy for you!

How was your traveling adventures? How did you end up handling everything?

Lacy

LACY!

I have thought of you VERY often in the last week. You have been my inspiration!  ;D

The travel was easy, but embarrassing. I travelled there with a TON of facial hair. I went in sort of boy mode, although all of my ID shows girl mode and is in my name. But that did not cause any issues. Maybe a bit of confusion for TSA and Flight Attendants, but none of them made any comment. Travelling home, I had no makeup, and a fat oozy face, but was in girl mode, and it seemed a bit easier. At least in my mind!

Walking to the hotel was almost required. I really needed to move, after laying in that chair for more than 10 straight hours. I didn't find out until after I did it that I should not have done it. (Don't do anything that creates heat in your face!) OK. But it felt good.

The swelling was very manageable. Not super bad, and the cheeks were pretty good even on Sunday. The throat not so much...

So, now 4 days later on the cheeks and 3 on the throat, there are a few things I am a bit worried about.

The throat area has all sorts of the oozy lymph scabs. They melt away each time I wash my face, and then dry up to a chunky mess all under my chin and jaw, and my upper throat. I certainly could not put on makeup over these scabs.

The second thing I am a bit concerned about is that I still have no feeling whatsoever in my throat area. The good news is that electrolysis won't hurt and I won't need lidocaine there, but I am not sure this is a desired result. There is still a fair bit of swelling in the throat area, and perhaps when that goes away, sensation will return. But the swelling has gone down considerably, without any change in sensation in the throat area. If those nerves are damaged for good, I will certainly know the cause.  >:(

So, for you, after 8 weeks only the moustache area has come back???? THAT seems a pretty wonderful result actually. Irina had suggested scheduling a return visit in about 10 weeks for me. It sounds like in your case that 10 weeks would not be enough time to get a bunch for them to work on. What are your thoughts on that? Have you scheduled a return visit?

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Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
« Reply #37 on: September 02, 2019, 12:45:33 pm »


 Also, how long after the treatment with the lidocaine & twilight before you can drive? Would rather make it a crazy long day vs 2 nights in a hotel. Just to clarify, will have completed 15 rounds of laser with a local facility by weeks end. Had a few hours of electrolysis years ago. That is where I learned the first facility really preferred small spot treatments.

 Any info appreciated & (again) much appreciate all of the info provided in this thread.

So they SAY that 24 hours is required before driving. But since the narcotic is only given once, in the morning, and is completely worn off in a very short time, I cannot imagine it would be a problem driving home after the very long session. But that is me, and I am not the doctor...

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Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
« Reply #38 on: September 02, 2019, 01:28:26 pm »
Twilight and general normally have a do not drive until the next day restriction. Even if you seem awake, both can leave you unsteady in your feet and your reactions may be off. Better the cost of an additional night in the hotel than an accident.
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Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
« Reply #39 on: September 02, 2019, 04:30:58 pm »


Just a huge amount of thanks to all of those who provided details about their experience.

 I live in down state IL & it is impossible to find anyone local. Even for an hour. Either of the 2 ladies doing it in my hometown area desire small projects apparently. Grrrr.

 So quick question. How long of a span is needed prior to having FFS between electrolysis at this level? Guessing 3 months would be ideal?

 Also, how long after the treatment with the lidocaine & twilight before you can drive? Would rather make it a crazy long day vs 2 nights in a hotel.

Alexis,
Here is an excerpt from the patient information they send you.

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PLEASE NOTE: 

Please arrange for transport to and from our office. Operating a vehicle or heavy machinery is prohibited for 24 hours following treatment. If you drive to your appointment, you will be denied. 

If you are taking spironolactone, please discontinue use 4 days prior to your large volume electrolysis session. After treatment, you may resume.

Do not take ibuprofen (Advil, etc.), aspirin, or acetaminophen (Tylenol, etc.) for 4 days prior to treatment.

Hydration is important! - please drink one gallon of water per day for a minimum 5 days prior to treatment.

Please do not eat 6 hours prior to the appointment.

A Pre-Electrolysis Facial is recommended to help prepare your skin and hair for treatment and better recovery. Please contact us to schedule.

If you're having electrolysis in the genital area, please ensure a hygienic environment for your technician.

Final payment is due on the day of treatment before treatment begins. We accept payment via major credit cards (3.5% convenience fee applies), cashier's check/USPS money orders (no fee), or cash. Please make cashier's checks and money orders payable to Precision Hair Removal and Skin Care.
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