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trans and christian? what the bible say?

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nvikki:
Hi all,

I am a transgender woman, and really try to be Christian but so difficult when all my family are so much homophobic. They love me, but the same time they make me always so stressed out and depressed because they believe being transgender is just wrong. Both my mom and dad are pastors. I am divorced with two kids. I just love them too much so I don't want to cut all communications with my ex and with them, but I don't know what to tell them, and they would not listen to me anyways...and feel that my transition is so beautiful, and it would be if they would accept me. But now my life is totally in ruins and always stressed out because of relationship breakdown, psychological abuse and a huge guilt that this is all I did, and I do it to myself because I choose to transition and not choosing God. I believe it is possible to be trans and Christian, I really try to be. But with such guilt putting, I don't know how possible...
They tell me that :
- God created me, and I should not create myself
- God created the man and woman and there is no other gender.
- that I am a <transgender person> whore, and it is Sodom who I am (I am not a sex worker)
- it is immoral to be a transgender
- that I should return to be a man and go back to my ex (I won't be a man again)
- I am serving the devil and don't listen

anyways, I don't even know how to deal with them and how to deal with this all at all...and I can't prove myself and I can't defend myself because my life is not pretty now, and they are better talkers and they always win with words.
and...what really the Bible say?
 

Alice V:
I'm not a specialist, but as far as I know it depends on your pastor. The thing is, Bible was written when people technically couldn't perform transition, so it can't say anything about that particular issue.
Basically, religion teach us to be good and don't do evil stuff and nothing more.

Faith:
I should keep quiet, yet I won't.

The Bible wasn't written by God. Even if you say that God guided and influenced the writing, it was written by men (as in male).
A large portion (I hate to speculate %) touts love, forgiveness, non-judgement. Only a small portion condemns.
MEN translated from the original with all their bias.

My research is from a while back, I can paraphrase three things that stood out to me:
1) Ritually Unclean. a translation from the original text.
- One section says that a man having 'relations' with a woman during her monthly made him ritually unclean and he must abstain and cleanse for a month. My surmise is due to cleanliness.
- another section, using the same original wording, dealt with men and anal sex. 'ritually unclean .. except! it was translated as an abomination.
2) Judgment called down by God (as the story goes) on people celebrating and worshiping. It was basically an orgy men, women, mixed couples, etc. Judgement was called down. The current interpretation says that the abominable sexual acts is why judgement was called down. The original text states that the reason was because they were worshiping a false god. It had nothing to do with the sexual acts.
3) effeminate man shall not gain the kingdom of heaven.
- Current translations & interpretations states that effeminate man refers to gay men
- the original translation meant a soft self-important gluttonous man in power. One that used his position to take advantage of the innocents under his position.

severe paraphrasing in there. My point is, you cannot trust the translations and interpretations that are currently touted.  If you read the bible and get hate and judgement out of it you are reading it wrong. God and the bible is about love.
Love God
Love yourself
Love others.

The brain is wrong and the body is right views.
God is spirit. God is both man and woman and neither.
We all contain the spirit of God
Body goes to dust, spirit goes to heaven
My spirit is just fine, thank you very much.

I'll not continue a discourse, I just wanted to share some of my views. If you truly dig, you will find many cases of translations and interpretations that are skewed.

Melinda@heart:
As a transwoman with deeply rooted Christian beliefs I can only share what my personal thoughts on the matter. I was always taught that YOUR walk with God is what matters most.

@Faith had it right. The Bible was written by men. The Bible has been open to interpretation since time immemorial. Do you believe it literally? Word for word? If so, then the Earth is the center of the universe. The entire universe revolves around the Earth. This would be according to the book of kings. God stopped the Sun during one of the israelite kings battle. If he stopped the sun, that would mean it was revolving around the Earth and not he Earth around it. Francis Jennings Dake  explains this in the Dakes bible. He had some interesting thoughts, to say the least.

For me, it all comes down to a simple verse in the New Testament, I believe it's in Hebrews, but I could be wrong. It is "We have been redeemed from the curse of the law." The "Law" being all those rules that men made up outside of the Ten commandments. Now, last time I checked there are no commandments against being transgender. Perhaps, in his infinite wisdom he saw us and loved us enough to make sure we would not be excluded from his mercy and grace.

Religion is a very personal thing for many. What you have to do is pray, hear from God and be obedient. It doesn't matter what others think or believe. If Jesus has listened to the religious leaders of his day, he would have remained silent and we would not have his message 2000 years later.

Mindy

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Northern Star Girl:

--- Quote from: nvikki on August 06, 2019, 06:27:23 am ---Hi all,

I am a transgender woman, and really try to be Christian but so difficult when all my family are so much homophobic. They love me, but the same time they make me always so stressed out and depressed because they believe being transgender is just wrong. Both my mom and dad are pastors. I am divorced with two kids. I just love them too much so I don't want to cut all communications with my ex and with them, but I don't know what to tell them, and they would not listen to me anyways...and feel that my transition is so beautiful, and it would be if they would accept me. But now my life is totally in ruins and always stressed out because of relationship breakdown, psychological abuse and a huge guilt that this is all I did, and I do it to myself because I choose to transition and not choosing God. I believe it is possible to be trans and Christian, I really try to be. But with such guilt putting, I don't know how possible...
They tell me that :
- God created me, and I should not create myself
- God created the man and woman and there is no other gender.
- that I am a <transgender person> whore, and it is Sodom who I am (I am not a sex worker)
- it is immoral to be a transgender
- that I should return to be a man and go back to my ex (I won't be a man again)
- I am serving the devil and don't listen

anyways, I don't even know how to deal with them and how to deal with this all at all...and I can't prove myself and I can't defend myself because my life is not pretty now, and they are better talkers and they always win with words.
and...what really the Bible say?

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