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Ted Cruz and forcing decisions on children
« on: October 25, 2019, 11:21:28 am »
I am not going to post the link here because we don’t need links to transphobic articles here, but I just happened upon something that was published yesterday about senator  Ted Cruz opposing hormone blockers for children suffering from gender dysphoria because, in his thinking, it somehow forces a medical procedure on children who are too young to make an informed decision.

It literally does the very opposite. It “pauses” the sexual maturation process UNTIL the child is old enough to make an informed decision. That’s why such treatments were developed, so children didn’t have the choice to undergo a damaging puberty forced on them by biology.

If you live in Texas, please write to senator Cruz and let him know that he has been very badly misinformed and that his statements could cause much damage to children in Texas and elsewhere.


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Re: Ted Cruz and forcing decisions on children
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2019, 12:01:16 am »
There has been plenty of news regarding a 7 year old transgender child involved in a custody battle in Texas with the father refusing to allow the child any treatment. The far right has opted to voice their strong opinions, and Cruz was just one of  those whom did. The hate and willful ignorance of some people is staggering. Many want us all to go back to the days when all transgender people had to wait until after they turned 18 to decide if they want to transition. Of course, by then, puberty already did its damage.
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Re: Ted Cruz and forcing decisions on children
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2019, 09:29:00 am »
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To me it feels like these people want us to just disappear completely off the face of the earth.

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Re: Ted Cruz and forcing decisions on children
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2019, 10:21:42 am »
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To me it feels like these people want us to just disappear completely off the face of the earth.

Lisa

We're easy to demagogue, that's about it. If you read the right wing press there is so much misinformation about how anything trans related works, they honestly think we're giving surgery and hormones to 6 year olds. If I thought that was what was happening I'd be angry too. I think a lot of people find the subject so "icky" that they can't comfortably learn anything about us and that makes it easy to sow false information.

Furthermore, a lot of people consider the idea that LGBTQ people are delusional and wrong to be so obvious, that anyone who is supportive is either crazy or up to something nefarious.
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Re: Ted Cruz and forcing decisions on children
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2019, 10:23:33 am »
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To me it feels like these people want us to just disappear completely off the face of the earth.

Lisa

Oh no, they want us here because we're the Orwellian enemy of the moment.  It's a common political ploy practiced by every party I can think of.  At its base this is really just a chant of "we're different from them and that makes us better"

It's not just limited to the GOP or other conservatives bashing on trans people either.  Leftists bash on the ethereal "rich bad people" among others, and both parties bash on each other of course.

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Re: Ted Cruz and forcing decisions on children
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2019, 10:41:55 am »
A big problem with this issue is that we just don't know what is best.  There haven't been any real clinical trials to say what the best treatment would be, and any time children are involved, it's very hard to get anything approved, because by the very nature of trials, there has to be a control group, and an "experimental" group.  The first tenet of medicine is "do no harm", and it's hard to know or prove what would be the biggest harm might be or to prove skeptics wrong without scientific data to back up our claims, which sadly we don't have much of and might need to wait years before it is thoroughly studied.

I've been there, and I hate seeing children suffer through this, but I don't know what we can do.  I wish there was a simple lab you could run to prove it to people beyond a reasonable doubt, like if you're anemic or have a vitamin deficiency, but the brain is a complex organ.

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Re: Ted Cruz and forcing decisions on children
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2019, 01:39:12 pm »
A big problem with this issue is that we just don't know what is best.  There haven't been any real clinical trials to say what the best treatment would be, and any time children are involved, it's very hard to get anything approved, because by the very nature of trials, there has to be a control group, and an "experimental" group.  The first tenet of medicine is "do no harm", and it's hard to know or prove what would be the biggest harm might be or to prove skeptics wrong without scientific data to back up our claims, which sadly we don't have much of and might need to wait years before it is thoroughly studied.

I've been there, and I hate seeing children suffer through this, but I don't know what we can do.  I wish there was a simple lab you could run to prove it to people beyond a reasonable doubt, like if you're anemic or have a vitamin deficiency, but the brain is a complex organ.
But in the early age, nothing in any form or shape is given to the kiddies, and at 10 or 11 puberty blockers are given.  We pretty well know how they work and what they do.  Once the kid is old enough to make an informed decision (probably with 14 or 16), the blockers are stopped, and either replaced with the target gender appropriate hormones, or the puberty sets in and the kid develops with a little later starting puberty.  This is no tragic event and happens a lot in natural ways.
My puberty started around 15, and I never finished it.  Great for me that nobody in those days knew what to do about it, and I have this nice female body.  But these days most pediatricians know what to do about late onset puberty, and they can do appropriate interventions.
I don't see the problem here, except a political power play!  I think I grew up into a decent, successful adult, why should those kids be different?


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Re: Ted Cruz and forcing decisions on children
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2019, 10:46:23 pm »
Politically, we are the favorite target to take aim at, so the steeple don't see the big picture whenever the big wigs do something truly evil.  Accidently blow up a school in Afghanistan? Oooh! Look! Some transgender person tried to use the bathroom at Chic-Fil-A!
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« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2019, 01:24:29 am »
Politically, we are the favorite target to take aim at, so the steeple don't see the big picture whenever the big wigs do something truly evil.  Accidently blow up a school in Afghanistan? Oooh! Look! Some transgender person tried to use the bathroom at Chic-Fil-A!

A transgender person tried to pee ON a chic-Fil-A is a more likely story.

I started puberty 23 years before Lupron was approved for children with precocious puberty (people like me who started at 10) in 1993. Even if I had a clue as to what I was going through then, what "help" I may have received is a fairly wide spectrum of almost good to truly horrific.

What gets me about this case is that a high political official has directed CPS to dig up dirt on the mom so they can charge her with child abuse. Having dealt with CPS, I will bet that someone in that organization will pick up that directive and run with it.

Sickening,

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Re: Ted Cruz and forcing decisions on children
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2019, 01:36:26 am »
A big problem with this issue is that we just don't know what is best.  There haven't been any real clinical trials to say what the best treatment would be, and any time children are involved, it's very hard to get anything approved, because by the very nature of trials, there has to be a control group, and an "experimental" group.  The first tenet of medicine is "do no harm", and it's hard to know or prove what would be the biggest harm might be or to prove skeptics wrong without scientific data to back up our claims, which sadly we don't have much of and might need to wait years before it is thoroughly studied.

I've been there, and I hate seeing children suffer through this, but I don't know what we can do.  I wish there was a simple lab you could run to prove it to people beyond a reasonable doubt, like if you're anemic or have a vitamin deficiency, but the brain is a complex organ.

Phina I could not agree more...we need emphirical data to help the case of these kids and unfortunately we do not have it. Saying things like we pretty well know what it does and how it works, needs to change to we absolutely know what it will do and how it works but until we have studies to support this, the small amount of uncertainty will be used against the community. 
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Re: Ted Cruz and forcing decisions on children
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2019, 05:40:40 am »
Let us not forget all the genetic males with androgen insensitivity syndrome who were "converted" as very young children. They did not have any say in how their gender would be changed or not.

Gender dysphoria and all the other related conditions are a very personal condition and only the individual so affected has any right to seek treatment or not seek treatment of their condition. Everybody else should just pause their comments and actions and let the child decide at a time of their choosing. Parents need to be supportive, but not pushing. Political elected officials need to solve the problems of the nation, not medical conditions.







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Re: Ted Cruz and forcing decisions on children
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2019, 06:11:55 am »
Let us not forget all the genetic males with androgen insensitivity syndrome who were "converted" as very young children. They did not have any say in how their gender would be changed or not.
It's not only those kids, almost all intersex kids were manipulated to fit the gender somebody decided was right for them (I was made into a male).  And it still going on these days in this very country, and in many countries around the world!
We were robbed of our life the way it should have been, and forced into a life others thought was best for us!  It was a pretty miserable life for me!


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Re: Ted Cruz and forcing decisions on children
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2019, 10:05:10 am »
Let us not forget all the genetic males with androgen insensitivity syndrome who were "converted" as very young children. They did not have any say in how their gender would be changed or not.

But that's OK because we need lots of hetero men and women to make lots of cannon fodder err babies to fight in the crusades.

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Re: Ted Cruz and forcing decisions on children
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2019, 10:20:23 am »
The problem is, they don't care about facts or reason.  Their agenda is to appease their base, who are conservative and religious, and have been lead to believe that LGBT people are a threat to them.  Fear and prejudice are being weaponized.  People unite over a common imaginary enemy.  Facts and knowledge and real understanding are in fact discouraged.

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Re: Ted Cruz and forcing decisions on children
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2019, 10:28:08 am »
But that's OK because we need lots of hetero men and women to make lots of cannon fodder err babies to fight in the crusades.
I think that is exactly the reason why I was made into a male!


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« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2019, 10:34:21 am »
The problem is, they don't care about facts or reason.  Their agenda is to appease their base, who are conservative and religious, and have been lead to believe that LGBT people are a threat to them.  Fear and prejudice are being weaponized.  People unite over a common imaginary enemy.  Facts and knowledge and real understanding are in fact discouraged.

Yes but I think they're trying to appeal to an idea of what their base was 40 years ago instead of the reality of the far more secular population that exists now.  This would also explain why they've been slipping in the polls.  Cruz kept his seat not because of religious fervor so much as people being dutiful "party people" and some swing voters not liking Beto's stance on things.

Of course the parties don't see it that way and instead see it as proof that the identity politics <poo> is a great way to win.

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« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2019, 10:42:46 am »
The problem is, they don't care about facts or reason.  Their agenda is to appease their base, who are conservative and religious, and have been lead to believe that LGBT people are a threat to them.  Fear and prejudice are being weaponized.  People unite over a common imaginary enemy.  Facts and knowledge and real understanding are in fact discouraged.

^^^This exactly^^^


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« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2019, 10:52:56 am »

Of course the parties don't see it that way and instead see it as proof that the identity politics <poo> is a great way to win.
and the right wing religious groupings do everything they can to muddle the reality picture!


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« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2019, 11:00:11 am »
and the right wing religious groupings do everything they can to muddle the reality picture!

It is not just the right wing political groups, I have been seeing plenty of misinformation in right wing media. If you take this case with the 7 year old for example, and watch some of the right wing media content you'll see a lot of half truths, where only one side of the story (the father's) is presented. Half-truths and whole lies are known to make great bed partners.

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« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2019, 02:47:28 pm »
and the right wing religious groupings do everything they can to muddle the reality picture!

So does the left on their favorite divisive issues.  It's the sad reality that is politics.  If it comes from a politician you have to remember that anything they say is being said for their own benefit, not yours or anyone else's.

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