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Joining The Military Post Trans-Ban?
« on: February 17, 2021, 03:26:51 pm »
Now that Trump's trans ban has ended I've been thinking about eventually joining as a trans woman.  I'm going a month and a half on HRT so far and I'm pushing myself. Cuz for one I GOT to get rid of my beer gut. (When I do, I'm working on my butt ). But, I also want to build up strength and keep some of as my transition continues. I dont want to get muscular, but toned. Right now I'm doing 3x10 crunches, then a minute plank. I've actually graduated to press release push ups which is the new standard in the Army.

Also I have a BA in Sociology (in my dead name, if that matters), so I'm going in as an officer. Will I have to change my name on my degree? I haven't officially changed my named yet but thats down the road.

Thanks for taking the time to listen.

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Re: Joining The Military Post Trans-Ban?
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2021, 06:57:00 pm »
ROTC ?

Or maybe a direct commission as many medical professionals are commissioned this way.




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Re: Joining The Military Post Trans-Ban?
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2021, 08:02:23 pm »
ROTC ?

Or maybe a direct commission as many medical professionals are commissioned this way.
I was thinking about going into OCS (Officer Candidate School). Its actually something I've been thinking about for some time now. I'd also like to serve as trans.

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Re: Joining The Military Post Trans-Ban?
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2021, 09:18:34 pm »
I’d think it’s a very unstable career for the next 10-20 years. What happens 4 years from now?

If you leave in 4 or 8 years will it have been a good choice?

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Re: Joining The Military Post Trans-Ban?
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2021, 06:21:00 am »
I’d think it’s a very unstable career for the next 10-20 years. What happens 4 years from now?

If you leave in 4 or 8 years will it have been a good choice?

The last time the US had a massive reduction in the size of the military was just after WW II. Shortly there after another war broke out in Korea. Many influential people have said, "If you desire peace, prepare for war." Military expenditures are a major drain on the US economy, but without it, the US would be vulnerable to attack.

Many military men and women serve only a few years in active duty and for any number of reasons they leave and pursue a civilian life.  Some will then join a reserve component and continue their service that way. A retirement as a reservist can be very rewarding in terms of benefits and retirement pay, not to mention the respect from many people.





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Re: Joining The Military Post Trans-Ban?
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2021, 09:35:21 am »
Hi, Robin.   

First of all, thank you for your consideration to serve.  That in itself is wonderful. :)

The big thing is that DoDI 1300.28 gets a proper update (it doesn't appear to have been revised since the prior administration, or if it was, I can't find it): https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/DD/issuances/dodi/130028p.pdf?ver=2020-09-04-115910-477
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Re: Joining The Military Post Trans-Ban?
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2021, 04:47:05 pm »
Hi, Robin.   

First of all, thank you for your consideration to serve.  That in itself is wonderful. :)

The big thing is that DoDI 1300.28 gets a proper update (it doesn't appear to have been revised since the prior administration, or if it was, I can't find it): https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/DD/issuances/dodi/130028p.pdf?ver=2020-09-04-115910-477
Thank you so much for this.

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Re: Joining The Military Post Trans-Ban?
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2021, 09:07:30 pm »
Thank you so much for this.

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You're most welcome! :) 
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Re: Joining The Military Post Trans-Ban?
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2021, 05:57:48 pm »
Robin,

I think it is great that you are considering joining the military.  Do you have any idea what you want to do in the military?

Someone mentioned a direct commission into the US Army Medical Corps as a Social Worker.  My understanding is that that path requires a Masters in Social Work, so you might not qualify. 

As far as your physical fitness goes, if you are enlisting just go for it.  They will get you in shape as you go through basic training.  If you are commissioning, you will need to pass height/weight and the Army Physical Fitness Test prior to joining.  An officer who is overweight or out of shape will not get the choice assignments or jobs. 

I would recommend changing your verbiage.  You joining as a woman, who happens to be transgender, not a trans woman. 

Your target gender/sex you might need to update your information prior to joining.  They will need some form of documentation to establish if you are male or female.  Being one of the other will change things in your service, for example APFT is sexed as are uniforms.  I would think changing your legal name and gender prior to signing any contracts.  This would probably include changing your Social Security info and possibly your birth certificate.  Being a college graduate is a requirement for officership, so I would think your transcript needs to be updated with your female name.  I would also recommend letters from counselors and MDs stating your far enough through gender transition that you should be considered female. 

One of thing that stops people from commissioning is the requirement to obtain a Secret security clearance.  Being LGBTQ is does not disqualify you from a clearance, but not informing the investigators could.  You will most likely have to give them your dead name to complete the investigation.  The big thing that stops a secret clearance is personal finances, specifically debt.  People with high credit card debt are easier for agents to manipulate into selling information.  If you are seeking to service that requires a clearance get your finances under control.  College debt isn't such a big deal, and the Army does have college loan payback programs. 

Finally, I think Rakel said something very important.  Military service isn't a lifetime commitment.  Most people complete their initial service obligation and move on to another chapter in their lives.  If you join and it's not what you hoped, complete your tour with honor and move along. 

All the Way,
Jane
 
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Re: Joining The Military Post Trans-Ban?
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2021, 12:21:43 am »
The last time the US had a massive reduction in the size of the military was just after WW II. Shortly there after another war broke out in Korea. Many influential people have said, "If you desire peace, prepare for war." Military expenditures are a major drain on the US economy, but without it, the US would be vulnerable to attack.

I was referring to politics rather than need.

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Re: Joining The Military Post Trans-Ban?
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2021, 05:43:37 am »
I was referring to politics rather than need.

I was doing the same.  :P




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