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Offline Carla68

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full depth or gentle fingering?
« on: June 10, 2021, 02:34:51 pm »
Hi

I finally bit the bullet and I have an appointment tomorrow to discuss removing my penis and installing a vagina

I am very nervous as was not expecting to get here but also always knew it was going to be an inevitable destination

I know i will have and get lots of questions tomorrow but am still undecided what to do basically I know I want penis gone

I am 90% sure i don't want some bloke (man) sticking his bits in my bits neither does my missus (wife)

I am also aware of the old adage use it or lose it and if i had a full depth vagina i'm at least 70% sure i would want to test it

basically i want my penis gone so i have nice bikini/skirt/jeans/pole dance figure without gaff and to be truly me

I don't think i want male penetration, I don't really envisage dual ended dildo action with the wife either

But I do want some kind of release when I get horny (less now than before hormones but when it happens it hits hard)

I also want to take as few days off work as possible (I'm a contractor and only had 2 days off last year total and that was for the Orchiectomy) and do this before end of year

how many operation options are there?

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Re: full depth or gentle fingering?
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2021, 04:26:43 pm »
Carla,

Well for bottom surgery, I believe, that you have two basic options, full depth or minimal depth. There are other more technical terms for them.  With full depth you usually have (your results may vary from that of others) enough depth and width to have painless (after total healing)penetration with a penis or a sex toy (skip the male pieces!).  With full depth there a few different techniques, the traditional and most common penile inversion where they remove the skin and other tissue from the penis and use that to form the vaginal canal.  The tissue gets thrown away. they do not remove the nerve bundle and penis tip where you get all those wonderful feeling while using it.  That gets reconfigures and reduced some to create your clitoris, which will then be your future nerve bundle to get aroused and reach climax. They form that vaginal canal from the skin from the penis and if that is not enough they may use part of the scrotum (I think) or harvest some other like tissue from someplace else. The other two newer procedures use either part of the colon or peritoneal lining of the abdominal cavity to form the vaginal canal. The benefit of these newer techniques is that they reduce the amount of dilation needed to maintain the approximate depth of the canal obtained during the surgery. And you probably know that dilation at the beginning may entail 3-4 30 minutes or longer dilation routines that are supposed to be done everyday up to a year or more then gradually reduced to a minimal dilation routine depending on what your particular surgeon recommends.  No dilation for many mean loss of depth as the internal canal begins to self close and grow together.  The full depth is there for your own pleasure and cannot be seen from the outside, with its main purpose to allow for some type of penetration and associated pleasure.


\The other procedure, the minimal depth is there for people who, like me cannot have a full depth one because of some type of medical complication, and for those who do not want or do not want to be penetrated in any way, or just do not want to dilate  regularly for many years to maintain some type of reasonable depth for penetration.  In this technique they create the outer vagina, including labia minor and major (little and big lips), and maybe an inch or so of depth per what 2 surgeons told me.  They also create the clitoris with the nerve connection from the tip of the penis.  This technique requires no dilation at all and minimal to non pre-surgery hair removal in that area.

I am trying to find a doctor who accept Medicare and is relatively close because I can get recovery time personal care from family and friends nearby, versus having to travel a long distance then stay in a hotel and either brig that support with me or pay for it there.  Plus, I can drive myself to most post op follow up doctor appointments.

The main thing to consider, and this really means thinking it all through and even thinking about what ifs, is if you will ever want or need full depth for sexual pleasure of that penetrative type.  I say this because if tragedy strikes and you lose your wife to death or divorce you may very likely reconsider having some depth after all.  It does happen!  The good news is that the minimum depth variety can be later revised into a full depth version using the Peritoneal or colon techniques.  But then that may or may not be covered by your insurance where here in the USA many States require that transgender care and specifically bottom surgery be covered some way by all insurance policies issued in the State except for Federal plans like Medicare.  That would need to be well researched by you.

The above is based on what I have learned here and from other sources.  I am sure the following people who post here will and add and maybe correct what I have written.  The main thing is that you are asking the right questions and need to think about it and keep asking questions until you can finally decide what you want to do, find the doctor that is acceptable to you and then your insurance, or your own bank account and then schedule it and then wait the 8 months to 2 years to get it done!

I also highly recommend that you start reading all the active and older threads on this site because many if not all of your questions have been addressed here and with long detailed personal blogs on their own personal decision making processes and preparation to recovery of their own surgeries.

Good and happy learning.

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Re: full depth or gentle fingering?
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2021, 08:13:11 am »
Thank you Allie.

Carla,
Allie has mentioned just about everything there is to consider. I have nothing more to add, but I just want to emphasize that this is your decision. You need to be aware of all the consequences of your actions and accept them what ever the costs, whether it is financial or personal.

Think carefully and take care.  :-*




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Re: full depth or gentle fingering?
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2021, 05:54:08 pm »
Thanks for the info

I had the appointment today and all went well, I will probably write another post as it has brought up some other subjects

Basically Dr Kanhai gave me three options

zero depth which basically give abilty to go to toilet and thats was it

I guess medium depth this would be based on current penis size and just invert and using the tip as a clitoris

The 3rd option was full depth and would take a lot longer as he would need to use skin from elsewhere and that needed hair removal (it got a bit too medical for me but think my mind made upon on option 2)

The Dutch insurances covers all 3 which is good

Option 2 will still require a lot a of dilatation but not as much as option 3 and hopefully quicker recovery

It is only about 3 hours to the clinic probably less by car so thats  good

Thanks

Carla

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Re: full depth or gentle fingering?
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2021, 01:53:06 am »
Carla, I am really surprised that you were not offered a minimal depth vaginoplasty.   I had one.  I have all the same anatomy as a full depth, except for the fact that my depth is only about 2cm.  I therefore do not have to dilate, but I do once a day when I shower place my finger in my shallow vagina to keep it open and to enjoy it presence! I have a clitoris and labia majora and minora with all the potential pleasure that comes with them.  Ecstatically I am indistinguishable from a CIS women, both a midwife and an ultrasound technician have told me!
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Re: full depth or gentle fingering?
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2021, 05:01:08 pm »
Carla, I am really surprised that you were not offered a minimal depth vaginoplasty.   I had one.  I have all the same anatomy as a full depth, except for the fact that my depth is only about 2cm.  I therefore do not have to dilate, but I do once a day when I shower place my finger in my shallow vagina to keep it open and to enjoy it presence! I have a clitoris and labia majora and minora with all the potential pleasure that comes with them.  Ecstatically I am indistinguishable from a CIS women, both a midwife and an ultrasound technician have told me!

This is what I had, and I am very happy with my decision. My Gynecologist is also amazed at how correct it all looks! I did do some research into a full depth revision in the future, but the cost was similar to doing the whole procedure from scratch. I am not planning on such a revision!

My specialist nurse told me that 60% of women over 50 who have full depth stop dilating within 5 years, and let it close.

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Re: full depth or gentle fingering?
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2021, 09:51:25 am »
Hello again Carla

I was always virtually certain that I wanted MDV (as I am mainly asexual with minor lesbian tendencies) but like you I did not make my final official decision till I attended my Consultation at Brighton UK and listened to the options. No need to think again and I confirmed MDV as it almost totally appearance and alignment for me.

My MDV was scheduled for April 28th and postponed and rescheduled for June 10th. Therefore I have now had MDV with no second thoughts or regrets. It is advisable to take considerable time if necessary to reach a final decision.

I wish you every success and happiness.

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Re: full depth or gentle fingering?
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2021, 10:33:31 am »

My specialist nurse told me that 60% of women over 50 who have full depth stop dilating within 5 years, and let it close.

Hugs,

Allie

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Re: full depth or gentle fingering?
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2021, 10:40:39 am »
I was always virtually certain that I wanted MDV (as I am mainly asexual with minor lesbian tendencies) but like you I did not make my final official decision till I attended my Consultation at Brighton UK and listened to the options. No need to think again and I confirmed MDV as it almost totally appearance and alignment for me.

My MDV was scheduled for April 28th and postponed and rescheduled for June 10th. Therefore I have now had MDV with no second thoughts or regrets. It is advisable to take considerable time if necessary to reach a final decision.


Hi Pamela,

When I had made my mind up to continue with further surgery in March I followed your post with interest and when your operation was rescheduled I still thought my operation was along way in the future, who thought a small change of fate could put mine 12 days behind yours!!

I hope all is going well sofar and assume you will be home before I go into my Hospital next week

Hugs

Carla


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Re: full depth or gentle fingering?
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2021, 02:34:21 pm »
Thank you Carla. For me it was arrive Wed 9th June, op Thurs 10th, discharge (providing all well which it was) Mon 14th. Hence I am home.

I hope all goes perfectly for you both for preparation and for op on Tues 22nd June.

Hugs

Pamela xx

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