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Sandi:
By MIKE GARRETT
THE PUEBLO CHIEFTAIN

TRINIDAD - In the city known as the “sex change capital of the world,” a group of local ministers blame the practice for unleashing gender and morality confusion.

Some ministers and congregation members are asking what kind of spiritual, emotional and physical damage the sex-change operations are having on recipients and the city's reputation since Dr. Stanley Biber began offering the surgeries in the late 1960s.

They say that such surgeries really aren't necessary, citing Johns Hopkins University studies that conclude that they don't successfully treat most patients in dealing with their gender identity issues. After originating the sex-change operations, Johns Hopkins has since discontinued them based on those studies.

Since last November, some Trinidad Ministerial Association members and their respective congregations have been circulating petitions asking that Mount San Rafael Hospital and resident gynecologist and sex-change surgeon Dr. Marci Bowers cease performing the operations.

"This is thinly-veiled bigotry and I'm really saddened by it," said Bowers, a protege and former patient of Biber, the now retired sex change surgeon. She said critics should personally ask her patients how they feel about themselves after their operation and not base their actions on flawed, superficial misinformation before casting moral judgments.

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Susan:

--- Quote from: Sandi on July 04, 2005, 10:41:10 am ---TRINIDAD - In the city known as the “sex change capital of the world,” a group of local ministers blame the practice for unleashing gender and morality confusion.

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I dunno about the rest of you but my morality meter is a strong as ever. There is no immorality associated with transgender behavior provided you are not dressing to attempt deceive people for immoral purposes. That's another reason I support informed consent when dealing with people in any intimate situations.


--- Quote from: Sandi on July 04, 2005, 10:41:10 am ---Some ministers and congregation members are asking what kind of spiritual, emotional and physical damage the sex-change operations are having on recipients and the city's reputation since Dr. Stanley Biber began offering the surgeries in the late 1960s.

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Transgender people world wide are known as being spiritual people just look at this site. We discuss spirituality with a depth and breadth most people who are considered by society to be normal wouldn't even touch. For me my spirituality is a core part of my being.


--- Quote from: Sandi on July 04, 2005, 10:41:10 am --- They say that such surgeries really aren't necessary, citing Johns Hopkins University studies that conclude that they don't successfully treat most patients in dealing with their gender identity issues. After originating the sex-change operations, Johns Hopkins has since discontinued them based on those studies.
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They may not think they are necessary but the majority of transsexuals would be quite happy to disagree. Any post ops here not more comfortable in yourself since having the surgery? It sounds like these people are stuck on the word sex change. I much prefer the word gender reassignment over sex change as sex is something you do while gender is something you are.


--- Quote from: Sandi on July 04, 2005, 10:41:10 am ---Since last November, some Trinidad Ministerial Association members and their respective congregations have been circulating petitions asking that Mount San Rafael Hospital and resident gynecologist and sex-change surgeon Dr. Marci Bowers cease performing the operations.

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I hope every one of my members will take a moment and write the hospital and Dr Bowers and let them know they are providing a much needed service to a community that desperately needs it.


--- Quote from: Sandi on July 04, 2005, 10:41:10 am ---"This is thinly-veiled bigotry and I'm really saddened by it," said Bowers, a protege and former patient of Biber, the now retired sex change surgeon. She said critics should personally ask her patients how they feel about themselves after their operation and not base their actions on flawed, superficial misinformation before casting moral judgments.

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Agreed on the bigotry part but I strongly disagree that there is anything thinly veiled about this.

Sandi:
Susan I couldn't agree with you more. The reason I posted it was to expose the idiocy of the article, not to endorse it, though I guess I didn't make that clear.


Sandi

stephanie_craxford:
My support for Dr Marci Bowers, has been emailed and is on it's way.  It gets really scary when groups try to enforce their beliefs on other groups.  It reminds me of the days when people went around burning abortion clinics.  But sadly that still happens from time to time.  It that same old stupid argument that "we" and antthing accosiated with us is immoral.  It makes you want to scream.  Just because they have a god that they worship, they think that they are the keeps of us all, and only they know what's best for us.  I know that there a lot of member here who believe in God {or a god/supreme being) and I in no way accosiate them and the article being discussed,  but I get so darn mad when some try to force their "morals" on me, and others like me.  I guess I was "moral enough" when I spent 29+ years risking my liffe serving my country.  But I digress...  stepping down from the soap box...

Thanks for that - wow do I feel better  :D

Terri-Gene:
  "They may not think they are necessary but the majority of transsexuals would be quite happy to disagree. Any post ops here not more comfortable in yourself since having the surgery? It sounds like these people are stuck on the word sex change. I much prefer the word gender reassignment over sex change as sex is something you do while gender is something you are"

I look at it rather the opposite.  Actually i'd care less if they called it dirty rotten rat surgery, as long as it got the job done.

From the very depths of TG culture it is always about sex vs. gender, with one camp describing sex as the presence or absence of a chromozone and the other describing a state of mind, or gender.

From that I can't understand GRS or Gender Reassignment Surgery, whatever, I don't really believe my gender is being touched, so I've always been more prone to SRS rather then GRS, though like I said, if it does the job, who cares?  Anyway, I hope it bothers nobody to much if they have a favorite.  Just another word with a pile of definitions.

Terri

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