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<not allowed> and Homosexualism as a Birth Defect

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JonasCarminis:
i posted this in a "gay Muslim" group on facebook that was meant for the discussion of homosexuality in Islam.  its just my thoughts, opinions, and what ive heard.

hey everyone, i am not a Muslim, but i am contemplating converting and would like to discus a few things.

if you disagree with me(i know it can be a touchy subject), dont just "yell" about how i am wrong, please DISCUSS your points.

in science, i believe that there is enough evidence to prove (to me) that there is a biological reason for homosexuals to be attracted to the same sex and for <not allowed> people or transsexuals to feel like their gender identity doesn't match their birth sex.

studies done on MTF transsexuals have shown that their brain was physiologically similar to a genetic female brain. you can not change how your brain develops physically (without trauma or surgical interference of course) there are currently 2 theories about why a transsexual or <not allowed> person are trans. (i am going to use a MTF transsexual as an example) one is that the fetus was meant to be a girl, but the wrong surge of hormones influenced the development and masculinized the body, but not the brain. the other is that the fetus was meant to be a boy, but the wrong surge of hormones affected the brain and feminized it.

there is currently a theory about a "gay gene" which could cause people to be pre-disposed to homosexuality. there is also a similar theory, to the transsexual ones, that hormones effected the part of the brain that has to do with attraction. another is that the mothers body sees the (male) fetus as a foreign object because he differs from her biologically, and the immune system reacts and tries to make the baby similar to the mother and somewhat feminizes him.

in any of these theories, they would still fall under "birth defect" or genetic condition. (quotes because in some peoples eyes, it is not a defect, but a difference)

Birth defects and genetic conditions occur naturally, such as a cleft lip, webbed fingers, or sickle cell disease. they are not the choice of the baby or the parents, but they would be acceptable to Islam.

Monique Martinez:
The possible problem with labelling it on genetics is that some people (haters) could say.. Well now that we know this we can let (encourage) people to abort fetus' that show signs of 'deformity'. It may not happen in our life time but it could still happen. On the other hand it does make sense and it would be nice to have an answer, well you know just the 'one' answer! :P
S.x

Silver:

--- Quote from: Shannon on October 18, 2009, 04:55:59 am ---The possible problem with labelling it on genetics is that some people (haters) could say.. Well now that we know this we can let (encourage) people to abort fetus' that show signs of 'deformity'. It may not happen in our life time but it could still happen. On the other hand it does make sense and it would be nice to have an answer, well you know just the 'one' answer! :P
S.x

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Ever see GATTACA? Reminds me so much of that movie.

JonasCarminis:

--- Quote from: Shannon on October 18, 2009, 04:55:59 am ---The possible problem with labelling it on genetics is that some people (haters) could say.. Well now that we know this we can let (encourage) people to abort fetus' that show signs of 'deformity'. It may not happen in our life time but it could still happen. On the other hand it does make sense and it would be nice to have an answer, well you know just the 'one' answer! :P
S.x

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being able to identify gayness or <not allowed> before birth is a possibility, and aborting the fetuses would suck a lot. :/  im not sure what the Qur'an says about abortion, but genetic or hormonal abnormalities are acceptable in islam, so there wouldnt be a religious reason for abortion if/when they find out how to identify gays/trans people before birth.

Deanna_Renee:
But is homosexuality and <not allowed> accepted forms of identity in Islam? I have heard that homosexuality at least is against the law in some Muslim dominant countries. Is this just local law or Islamic law? You have me curious now. I don't practice any particular religion for various reasons, but it would be interesting to find out.

Deanna

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