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Does this count?
« on: November 18, 2010, 09:57:39 pm »
Does a clitoral release count as SRS? Because I REAALLYYY don't want SRS but it's required in my state to change your birth certificate and drivers license.




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Re: Does this count?
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2010, 10:35:28 pm »
There are plenty of ways to game most systems. You need to talk to the PTBs and find out exactly what kind of evidence they require for the documentation change. If you need a letter, find out what wording is required. If you only need to have "irreversible genital surgery," or something of that nature, then find a surgeon who has no problems with writing such a letter.

Your state is really militant...
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Re: Does this count?
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2010, 10:53:48 pm »
Hey Morgan, let us all know what you find out? It'd be great if it could be something simpler than SRS. Good luck man

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Re: Does this count?
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2010, 12:34:19 pm »
I see my hormone doctor on the 3rd (I think. This office is bad at explaining what to expect with each visit XD I'm kind of just rolling with it right now) And I intend to ask her. When I find anything out, I'll make a new topic if this one dies out (which it probably will, since it's not a hot press topic, just to us Virginians :P )

Arch, I've seen one place quote genital reassignment surgery, and another quote irreversible surgery. I'm not sure which source is more recent, but I'm hoping the irreversible one is, because that would be easier to get around, with the clitoral release or hysto.
EDIT: Okay I found another site talking about what's required.
12 VAC. 5-550-320. Change of Sex.
 
Except as provided in 12VAC 5-550-450-C upon presentation of acceptable
evidence (preoperative diagnosis, postoperative diagnosis and description of
procedure)
, and a notarized affidavit from the physician performing the surgery,  a new
certificate of birth may be prepared by the State Registrar for a person born in this
Commonwealth whose sex has been changed by surgical gender reassignment
procedure.
A certified copy of the court order changing the name of the registrant as
well as designating the sex of the registrant must be in the possession of the State
Registrar together with a request that a new certificate be prepared.


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And, man, if you think VA is militant, I feel bad for those that don't allow amendments at all, like Idaho and a few others.




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Re: Does this count?
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2010, 02:37:09 pm »
clitoral release takes stupidity to a new low?
what idiot thinks that the odd few FtMs wanting to live as male with all the document changes is a grave concern to national security.
do they had to measure pre and post release lengths of clitoris just to be sure?

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Re: Does this count?
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2010, 02:44:04 pm »
clitoral release takes stupidity to a new low?
what idiot thinks that the odd few FtMs wanting to live as male with all the document changes is a grave concern to national security.
do they had to measure pre and post release lengths of clitoris just to be sure?

 ???  What has this to do with the surgery needed to change a birth cert?

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Re: Does this count?
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2010, 02:46:54 pm »
what idiot thinks that the odd few FtMs wanting to live as male with all the document changes is a grave concern to national security.
do they had to measure pre and post release lengths of clitoris just to be sure?

Well, the new security regulations require penis sizes of all citizens to be on file, and they will be used to check ID via groping at airports. 



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Re: Does this count?
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2010, 03:45:31 pm »
Let's hope you're kidding, shiinee. Otherwise I'm never going on a plane again XD

Lilac, I'm not sure it's an issue of national security, more the fact that as long as being trans has been around, it's still new to the general public, and especially new to the law systems (in comparison with other laws). The understanding of transsexuals as a whole is spreading, many laws have been changed in our favor over the last ten years regarding changing official documents. VA only started offering amendments for gender on your birth certificate in 2003, so it could possibly be simple ignorance thinking that penis=man and vagina=woman and only surgery can bring this about.




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Re: Does this count?
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2010, 07:43:17 pm »
And, man, if you think VA is militant, I feel bad for those that don't allow amendments at all, like Idaho and a few others.

My state of birth won't change the birth certificate at all, no matter what you do.

Oh, but if you produce all sorts of documents, they WILL affix a little CARD to the original birth certificate. Thanks a lot, guys. That makes all the difference in the world. ::)
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Re: Does this count?
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2010, 08:29:48 pm »
My state of birth won't change the birth certificate at all, no matter what you do.

Oh, but if you produce all sorts of documents, they WILL affix a little CARD to the original birth certificate. Thanks a lot, guys. That makes all the difference in the world. ::)

Oh but it's a super SPECIAL card! That lets eeeveryone know your little secret  ;) /sarcasm

In other news, interesting article deserves a read. It deals on what is considered gender reassignment surgery and whatnot. http://srlp.org/birth-certificate-sex-designation-overview-issues
It's just from a discussion had by the Office of Vital Statistics in February, 2003, but still.




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Re: Does this count?
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2010, 11:09:30 pm »
I can't complain too much. My state of residence is fairly liberal about licenses.
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Re: Does this count?
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2010, 11:10:59 pm »
I have read that top surgery is supposed to be sufficient for FTMs, just as this link suggests. But you'll need to find out the specific guidelines in your state. Call 'em up and see what color smoke comes out. It's the only way to be sure.
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