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Title: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: sysm29 on December 09, 2011, 10:46:45 AM
I'd like to read about your experiences with straight men, before during and after your transitions?  How do the dynamics of it change?  Are men nicer to you?  Do straight guys ever hit on you?

If a straight guy's staring at you a little too long for just a usual random look, what's in his mind?  Does he know you are trans, is he attracted to you, or is he just really confused?

Wouldn't the world be a much easier place to transition if there were just women in it and no men?  It's the men I'm afraid of.
Title: Re: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: Bishounen on December 09, 2011, 10:57:25 AM
Quote from: sysm29 on December 09, 2011, 10:46:45 AM
I'd like to read about your experiences with straight men, before during and after your transitions?  How do the dynamics of it change?  Are men nicer to you?  Do straight guys ever hit on you?

Muuch prefer straight males before gay males, as gay males tends to be quite discriminating against gendervarianted people.
Funny enough, I have always except for a couple of instances, been very accepted by the heterosexual community, but very dis-respected by the gay.- Unfortunately for those, though, as I am a true bitch when needed. ;D

Anyway, the majority of those that hits on me is actually straight, even when I am in "Boy-mode", which is quite funny.

QuoteIf a straight guy's staring at you a little too long for just a usual random look, what's in his mind?  Does he know you are trans, is he attracted to you, or is he just really confused?

Depends on the stare. It is quite easy to find out as the stare itself will generally reveal the message, however if it is a totally neutral stare, then I always tend to wonder; "Is he interested in me or do he want to smack me?"

QuoteWouldn't the world be a much easier place to transition if there were just women in it and no men?  It's the men I'm afraid of.
ROTFL Yeah right, I doubt that the chick in the following article and Video would agree with that. http://www.care2.com/causes/transgender-woman-beaten-by-two-women-at-baltimore-mcdonalds-video.html (http://www.care2.com/causes/transgender-woman-beaten-by-two-women-at-baltimore-mcdonalds-video.html)
Title: Re: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: stldrmgrl on December 09, 2011, 11:22:19 AM
Quote from: sysm29 on December 09, 2011, 10:46:45 AM
I'd like to read about your experiences with straight men, before during and after your transitions?
I don't have any experiences.

Quote from: sysm29 on December 09, 2011, 10:46:45 AM
How do the dynamics of it change?  Are men nicer to you?  Do straight guys ever hit on you?
I'm not full-time yet, thus have not been hit on.

Quote from: sysm29 on December 09, 2011, 10:46:45 AM
If a straight guy's staring at you a little too long for just a usual random look, what's in his mind?  Does he know you are trans, is he attracted to you, or is he just really confused?
I would not know what he would be thinking, though you may be able to distinguish by his facial expressions and body language.

Quote from: sysm29 on December 09, 2011, 10:46:45 AM
Wouldn't the world be a much easier place to transition if there were just women in it and no men?  It's the men I'm afraid of.
Not really.  Women can be just as if not more brutal.  Not to mention I like a bit of diversity.

Quote from: Bishounen on December 09, 2011, 10:57:25 AM
ROTFL Yeah right, I doubt that the chick in the following article and Video would agree with that. http://www.care2.com/causes/transgender-woman-beaten-by-two-women-at-baltimore-mcdonalds-video.html (http://www.care2.com/causes/transgender-woman-beaten-by-two-women-at-baltimore-mcdonalds-video.html)
Personally I don't care to hear stories like this knowing the victim did nothing to fight back.
Title: Re: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: JenJen2011 on December 09, 2011, 12:04:04 PM
Quote from: sysm29 on December 09, 2011, 10:46:45 AM
I'd like to read about your experiences with straight men, before during and after your transitions?  How do the dynamics of it change?  Are men nicer to you?  Do straight guys ever hit on you?

Before, straight men wouldn't look at me twice. During, they would make fun of me a lot. Now, they hit on me all the time. Men are much more nicer, they hold doors open for me, they give me compliments, etc.

QuoteIf a straight guy's staring at you a little too long for just a usual random look, what's in his mind?  Does he know you are trans, is he attracted to you, or is he just really confused?

It varies. It can mean they are attracted to me or they're trying to "figure me out".

QuoteWouldn't the world be a much easier place to transition if there were just women in it and no men?  It's the men I'm afraid of.

I agree with what stldrmgrl said. Plus, I NEED my men. :P
Title: Re: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: envie on December 09, 2011, 12:13:44 PM
Before I started with my physical transition men were treating me just like another guy. They didn't hesitate with some sexist jokes at times or just yelled out "what's up dude" when I entered an office or a place. Gay men however did show an interest in me which I didn't appreciate very much as they all were way too direct bordering to be actually vulgar.

During the transition I was probably perceived as gay male but I didn't really go out or was around a lot of people so no experience with straight male. Only few times I spotted some men looking down my hand to see if I have a wedding ring but that was it.

After I started passing, straight male are giving me quite a bit of attention. They hold doors for me, let me go first out of the elevators and I catch them sometimes checking me out too. Some of them flirt heavily  ;D. When you start passing the difference in male behavior towards you is unmistakably different, there is no way to miss it.
I love this attention and flirt back. IT feels so good to be able to do that and not be afraid of their reaction. I used to be really scared of showing any affection towards men prior to my transition as I grew up in extremely homophobic environment. Coming out would have been basically a suicide back then.

I went on one date so far and it felt really good. I was able to tell a man in his face that I liked him and it was liberating to say at least to be able to do that.
I think the longer you pass the less of anxiety you'll experience when they look at you. In the beginning I wasn't sure either what their stares meant but now it has become just obvious.

That is as far as my experience goes.
Title: Re: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: Mahsa Tezani on December 09, 2011, 05:14:18 PM
Quote from: sysm29 on December 09, 2011, 10:46:45 AM
I'd like to read about your experiences with straight men, before during and after your transitions?  How do the dynamics of it change?  Are men nicer to you?  Do straight guys ever hit on you?

I always get men buying me drinks. It doesn't matter whats in my pants though. Men like pretty things. Straight guys always hit on me...I kinda am waiting for the bisexual men. I came out to one of my friends(he's bi) and he freaked out and thought it was a joke. But then again i got hit on all the time as a boy(extremely feminine boy)

Oh god...please no more women. I can only take my GG friends in small doses. I was the "gay best friend" forever and it's nice to have a break. Especially not being part of the cattiness and whatever it is the hell girls do.
Title: Re: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: lilacwoman on December 09, 2011, 06:01:59 PM
I don't see or get this cattyness except from Ls and Gs.   

at work and with out with women friends and neighbours we just chat about life and men and children and food and diet and housekeeping and television/cinema and vacations and fashion and medical problems and family issues and other such boring stuff.

when I was LGBT rep and had to attend conferences I was bored out of my skull with the Gs crotchwatching or talking nonstop about homosex and the Ls talking either about the minutiae of work or holidays in lesbian resorts. 
I only felt attracted to one guy who was about my own age and had nice twinkly eyes and smile and was into art and classical music and had a nice mellowness, just a shame he was gay and wanted penissex.
Title: Re: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: JennX on December 09, 2011, 06:40:26 PM
Quote from: sysm29 on December 09, 2011, 10:46:45 AM
I'd like to read about your experiences with straight men, before during and after your transitions?  How do the dynamics of it change?  Are men nicer to you?  Do straight guys ever hit on you?

If a straight guy's staring at you a little too long for just a usual random look, what's in his mind?  Does he know you are trans, is he attracted to you, or is he just really confused?

Wouldn't the world be a much easier place to transition if there were just women in it and no men?  It's the men I'm afraid of.

I only date "straight-hetero males" (if there is such a being). As far as dynamics changing... well they treat me like a female. How else would/should they treat me? As for hitting on me, yes, fairly frequently. I usually don't have to wait to figure out what's on their mind either... most guys around where I live will come right up and ask for your number or when can they call you. I also get the Hey baby "insert snarky trying to be flattering somewhat rude sexually laced comment here" from their car window. They are pretty brazen that way.

The guy I'm dating right now is a "straight-hetero male" and I have disclosed my past. But that was not until our fifth date. I don't waste my time on guys with telling them every lurid detail about me, until I'm fairly certain they are worth my time.

Nothing to be afraid of really. But always remember to use good common sense. ;)
Title: Re: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: MsDazzler on December 09, 2011, 08:08:17 PM
My soul and heart have always matched hetero men, but now as I get older, I realize I prefer hetero men who are familiar and/or exposed to the LGBT community, so that they have no hang ups, etc.

"Too straight" men are a hassle for me because they re usually not ready to accept this aspect of thesmelves that they could be attracted to transgender women, and I have no time to help him come to terms with it, heh.
Title: Re: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: fionabell on December 09, 2011, 08:46:18 PM
Gay men are unacceptable.
Title: Re: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: Mahsa Tezani on December 10, 2011, 02:43:30 AM
Quote from: MsDazzler on December 09, 2011, 08:08:17 PM
My soul and heart have always matched hetero men, but now as I get older, I realize I prefer hetero men who are familiar and/or exposed to the LGBT community, so that they have no hang ups, etc.

"Too straight" men are a hassle for me because they re usually not ready to accept this aspect of thesmelves that they could be attracted to transgender women, and I have no time to help him come to terms with it, heh.

I meet the best men at gay bars. My boyfriend told me, "If we lived together, you'd have no gay male friends"...eeek.

Do you like macho macho men?
Title: Re: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: MsDazzler on December 10, 2011, 11:22:14 AM
Quote from: fionabell on December 09, 2011, 08:46:18 PM
Gay men are unacceptable.

You mean for relationships, right? heh
Title: Re: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: MsDazzler on December 10, 2011, 11:23:59 AM
Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on December 10, 2011, 02:43:30 AM
I meet the best men at gay bars. My boyfriend told me, "If we lived together, you'd have no gay male friends"...eeek.

Do you like macho macho men?

True - straight men who are willing to go out ot gay bars are alreay open minded so you have one less hurdle to traverse.

I like the stereotypical masculine man. :) Shoot me, but I am old fashioned, heh
Title: Re: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: ByeBye on December 10, 2011, 09:47:19 PM
I don't want to date a man until I have a vagina.
Title: Re: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: Dahlia on December 11, 2011, 03:40:59 AM
Most closet bi/tv/cd's present as 'straight men' - very masculine, in order to hide their tv/cd tendencies- ....and there's a lot of them.
Pre anything MTF's too btw..and those are very masculine too...
And you bet they have a 'sixth sense' to read MTF's, no matter how feminine and passable they are.

I've read a post on one of these boards a couple of months ago and I was really laughing my head off...because I found it kind of hilarious.

A 'straight' guy who's in a LTR with a girl he suspected being a post op MTF....he was asking advice on how to bring up the subject and suggested he'd show himself in 'full gear' because he's a closet TV and his MTF GF didn't have a clue about that.

**SURPRISE**!!! 'I have something to confess too'!!

A stealth post op MTF and a stealth TV who presents as a straight male in a relationship....he never posted or repllied on how the 'two way' disclosure about their past and present ended.

But anyway: as soon a 'straight' guy turns out to be a closet TV or CD......he's not that straight to me anymore. More some kind of 'lesbian'....
Title: Re: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: madirocks on December 11, 2011, 04:59:13 AM
I'm pre-transition and I feel that most of the time straight men feel completely awkward when they talk to me. I think they're not sure in how they should talk to me. However, women talk to me just fine. Sometimes I feel that there is this sort of strange attraction from even the straight men, which has me seriously confused on a lot of occasions. I suppose both sexes pick up on it, no matter how hard you try. So anymore, I just try to not talk to men, period. I'm sure that'll change once I start transition, and I'm interested what will change afterwards.
Title: Re: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: Mahsa Tezani on December 11, 2011, 02:22:59 PM
Quote from: ~~♥BeeBeeLyss♥~~ on December 10, 2011, 09:47:19 PM
I don't want to date a man until I have a vagina.

Gonna be a long time then. Plus ffs and ba... I don't know how you could do it. I admire your patience and courage.

You will have enough time to work out your identity...I had less than 6 months from going from living as a boy to "passing" LOL... I never got t work out that aspect of who I was and adapt.
Title: Re: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: El on December 11, 2011, 03:32:35 PM
Quote from: Dahlia on December 11, 2011, 03:40:59 AM
Most closet bi/tv/cd's present as 'straight men' - very masculine, in order to hide their tv/cd tendencies- ....and there's a lot of them.
Pre anything MTF's too btw..and those are very masculine too...
And you bet they have a 'sixth sense' to read MTF's, no matter how feminine and passable they are.

I've read a post on one of these boards a couple of months ago and I was really laughing my head off...because I found it kind of hilarious.

A 'straight' guy who's in a LTR with a girl he suspected being a post op MTF....he was asking advice on how to bring up the subject and suggested he'd show himself in 'full gear' because he's a closet TV and his MTF GF didn't have a clue about that.

**SURPRISE**!!! 'I have something to confess too'!!

A stealth post op MTF and a stealth TV who presents as a straight male in a relationship....he never posted or repllied on how the 'two way' disclosure about their past and present ended.

But anyway: as soon a 'straight' guy turns out to be a closet TV or CD......he's not that straight to me anymore. More some kind of 'lesbian'....

Well a transvestite is someone who cross-dresses yes? Sometimes the word is used explicitly to describe people who get sexuall aroused from crossdressing. Now you have to consider if these people identify as males then they are males and if they identify as females then they are (as long as we are sticking to labels) transexuals? Now assuming they dont identify as females then they are males who crossdress, if they are attracted to women and not men then surely that makes them a straight man? I was under the impression that the clothes you wear do not make up sexual orientation, that sexual orientation was something seperate from gender identity.

Title: Re: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: pretty pauline on December 12, 2011, 01:19:02 PM
Quote from: sysm29 on December 09, 2011, 10:46:45 AM
I'd like to read about your experiences with straight men, before during and after your transitions?  How do the dynamics of it change?  Are men nicer to you?  Do straight guys ever hit on you?

If a straight guy's staring at you a little too long for just a usual random look, what's in his mind?  Does he know you are trans, is he attracted to you, or is he just really confused?

Wouldn't the world be a much easier place to transition if there were just women in it and no men?  It's the men I'm afraid of.
I found men are much nicer to me, but depends if they know my history, I get doors opened for me all the time, I never have to lift anything heavy, Iv never changed a wheel on a car although I could do it, a man will always make himself available to do stuff like that, the local gas station if your female a young guy will do the fill, I don't like smelling of gas anyway, its nice, I like the attention.
Im used to guys staring at and talking to my boobs, many years ago I had a boyfriend when I was pre op, we didn't get intimate till I had my surgery and the right equipment, few years after that I was post op, had another boyfriend, when I disclosed my history he didn't except me and ended the relationship.
Then I met my current fiancé, dated him for over a year, disclosed my history, he excepted me, got engaged and we are now married, over all, Iv had very different experiences, I remembered being bullied in my school days, called a puff, fag etc. one of my tormentors saw me many years later, he couldnd get over the change, he apologized, said I made an attractive woman, I think he found me attractive, started to hit on me, but I definitely wasn't interested, he wasn't my kind of guy, I knew his history, he was a bully, not the kind of guy a girl like me would want to have a relationship with, my present husband is a straight guy, a gentleman who knows how to treat a woman.
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Title: Re: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: Mahsa Tezani on December 12, 2011, 04:33:31 PM
Quote from: pretty pauline on December 12, 2011, 01:19:02 PM
I found men are much nicer to me, but depends if they know my history, I get doors opened for me all the time, I never have to lift anything heavy, Iv never changed a wheel on a car although I could do it, a man will always make himself available to do stuff like that, the local gas station if your female a young guy will do the fill, I don't like smelling of gas anyway, its nice, I like the attention.
Im used to guys staring at and talking to my boobs, many years ago I had a boyfriend when I was pre op, we didn't get intimate till I had my surgery and the right equipment, few years after that I was post op, had another boyfriend, when I disclosed my history he didn't except me and ended the relationship.
Then I met my current fiancé, dated him for over a year, disclosed my history, he excepted me, got engaged and we are now married, over all, Iv had very different experiences, I remembered being bullied in my school days, called a puff, fag etc. one of my tormentors saw me many years later, he couldnd get over the change, he apologized, said I made an attractive woman, I think he found me attractive, started to hit on me, but I definitely wasn't interested, he wasn't my kind of guy, I knew his history, he was a bully, not the kind of guy a girl like me would want to have a relationship with, my present husband is a straight guy, a gentleman who knows how to treat a woman.
p

Thats what I find ironic... The guys I date now would want nothing to do with me as a boy and probably would have said, "Look at that fairy over there". As a boy I had no straight male friends... Why the hell would I? I was a huge flamer and I met few guys who were open to my sexuality. It's funny what makeup, hormones, and cute clothes do to men.
Title: Re: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: Emily Ray on December 12, 2011, 04:46:34 PM
While I like playing with men, the whole sraight-gay thing makes me crazy. I'll just stick to girls and let the rest pass me by.

Huggs

Emily
Title: Re: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: Mahsa Tezani on December 12, 2011, 04:51:46 PM
Quote from: Emily Ray on December 12, 2011, 04:46:34 PM
While I like playing with men, the whole sraight-gay thing makes me crazy. I'll just stick to girls and let the rest pass me by.

Huggs

Emily

I prefer a man in gay culture. Being with a straight married man reminds me how oppressive this part of the life is. Like I like the validation from unknowing straight men...But will take the queer guy who loves transgirls any day. Chances are he's already "out" to his family/friends.
Title: Re: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: Emily Ray on December 12, 2011, 05:21:56 PM
That makes good sense Mahsa. I would hate to go out with a man and find out after SRS that he was really only interested in my male parts. A queer man whether gay or bi would at least be honest about me I hope.

Huggs

Emily
Title: Re: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: Sadie on December 12, 2011, 05:31:02 PM
Well I just started going out for the first time as I am only 51/2 months on hormones, but my friend takes me to the "safe bars" (gay/lesbian bars) for now and I seriously don't know what the hate is against gays and lesbians in this thread they have been nothing but friendly, polite, and sweet to me. In fact its my first time in gay/lesbian bars and I find the whole atmosphere way more friendly than straight bars.

Sadie
Title: Re: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: drvotion86 on December 12, 2011, 05:44:05 PM
Well i have been hit on by alot of straight guys. But most ppl cant tell im trans. Most guys like 90% accept me anyways after i tell them... My fiance is a straight man, He is comfortable with himself sexually and has no problem with a trans girl.... I was dating a gay man when i started my transition... He was only interested in guys that liked me, he wasnt jealous because guys were hitting on me, but he was jealous because he wanted those guys. Since they were straight or bi and very good looking. I have never been hit on by a gay man after going full time... in the beginning they would ask me what family i was in like i was a drag queen or asked if i was going to get work done, like illegal silicone. I feel dating a straight man is good, because they would be dating me because i am a beautiful woman. After going full time i havent been with a gay man.
Title: Re: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: Krissy_Is_A_Gem on December 12, 2011, 06:33:27 PM
I work in a predominately male environment. Mining. During my transition not many men would even want to talk to me. Fortunetly I left the mining scene here in Western Australia during my transition. Recently Ive gone back to a remote minesite in WA. It was very daunting as there is always a fresh meat syndrome displayed by the guys when a new girl comes on site. The way I was treated before and the way I am now is completely different. I dont know whether they know about my past. Im treated well and thats what matters to me.
Title: Re: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: MsDazzler on December 12, 2011, 10:51:57 PM
Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on December 12, 2011, 04:51:46 PM
I prefer a man in gay culture. Being with a straight married man reminds me how oppressive this part of the life is. Like I like the validation from unknowing straight men...But will take the queer guy who loves transgirls any day. Chances are he's already "out" to his family/friends.

I am in an odd pickle right now - I went into details about in my other thread (but no one is responding there! :( ) ... a gay ex popped up in my life just now again - and he wants to rekindle things even though I have already told him that I ve long ago started my transition and was not going to detransition again.
Title: Re: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: Bishounen on December 13, 2011, 08:18:13 AM
Quote from: Sadie on December 12, 2011, 05:31:02 PM
Well I just started going out for the first time as I am only 51/2 months on hormones, but my friend takes me to the "safe bars" (gay/lesbian bars) for now and I seriously don't know what the hate is against gays and lesbians in this thread they have been nothing but friendly, polite, and sweet to me. In fact its my first time in gay/lesbian bars and I find the whole atmosphere way more friendly than straight bars.

Sadie

I really wouldn't call the emotions 'hatred' from the persons you refer to, but rather disliking because of crappy experiences.
However, one must remember that just as there are nasty gay people, there are also wonderful gay people that are truly warm and loving personalities, however this definitely do not account for all of them, and if you would ask around here on Susan's, you would find that a lot of members do not have very nice experiences of gay people at all, but in many cases in fact far better experiences from Straight people. Oh the irony, huh.

An FTM explains a classic example of this:  Transphobia in the LGB Community (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=LaaGzsyZN_M#)
Title: Re: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: Tigger on December 13, 2011, 10:24:58 AM
As a straight guy I will admit that I do look at a girl who is pretty but there had better be a lot more than a pretty face. I always looked for a true soul mate who is a caring loving girl. I am not your cave man type of of guy who is still pounding rocks together to start a fire and I truely feel that what is between your ears determines your gender and makes you a true girl. A former gf was transgender and I never viewed her as anything other than a wonderful girl, she is a loving sweet girl, and I still care for her even though we are not together. It was a matter of being at two different places in our lives that we couldn't work out that we aren't together still. So girls there are some straight guys who don't have their heads in the rear end out there who love the girl for who she truely is and the rest doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: Sirenia on December 13, 2011, 11:24:32 AM
Quote from: Tigger on December 13, 2011, 10:24:58 AM
As a straight guy I will admit that I do look at a girl who is pretty but there had better be a lot more than a pretty face. I always looked for a true soul mate who is a caring loving girl. I am not your cave man type of of guy who is still pounding rocks together to start a fire and I truely feel that what is between your ears determines your gender and makes you a true girl. A former gf was transgender and I never viewed her as anything other than a wonderful girl, she is a loving sweet girl, and I still care for her even though we are not together. It was a matter of being at two different places in our lives that we couldn't work out that we aren't together still. So girls there are some straight guys who don't have their heads in the rear end out there who love the girl for who she truely is and the rest doesn't matter.

♥ A lovely thought. Men like you make me hopeful that we'll all find a good guy to be with some day.
Title: Re: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: pidgeontoed on December 13, 2011, 11:45:59 AM
Bishounen, what a well put together video. Thanks for linking it! I'm just as dumbfounded as the person who made the video is to hear that transphobia exists within the rest of the community. Never would have thought about that, though I've always been a "love all" believer. I guess that thinking everyone in the rest of the community will accept us is just as stereotyping as the usual negative stereotypes. Everyone is different.
Title: Re: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: Keaira on December 13, 2011, 11:36:10 PM

Quote from: Bishounen on December 13, 2011, 08:18:13 AM
I really wouldn't call the emotions 'hatred' from the persons you refer to, but rather disliking because of crappy experiences.
However, one must remember that just as there are nasty gay people, there are also wonderful gay people that are truly warm and loving personalities, however this definitely do not account for all of them, and if you would ask around here on Susan's, you would find that a lot of members do not have very nice experiences of gay people at all, but in many cases in fact far better experiences from Straight people. Oh the irony, huh.

An FTM explains a classic example of this:  Transphobia in the LGB Community (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=LaaGzsyZN_M#)
Without the help of the gays and lesbians, I have no doubt that my job would be hell right now. I go to PFLAG meetings every month and I do feel extremely welcome there. And I've never had anyone who is gay, bi or lesbian tell me God hates me, You bought into Satan's lie, etc.

Quote from: Tigger on December 13, 2011, 10:24:58 AM
As a straight guy I will admit that I do look at a girl who is pretty but there had better be a lot more than a pretty face. I always looked for a true soul mate who is a caring loving girl. I am not your cave man type of of guy who is still pounding rocks together to start a fire and I truely feel that what is between your ears determines your gender and makes you a true girl. A former gf was transgender and I never viewed her as anything other than a wonderful girl, she is a loving sweet girl, and I still care for her even though we are not together. It was a matter of being at two different places in our lives that we couldn't work out that we aren't together still. So girls there are some straight guys who don't have their heads in the rear end out there who love the girl for who she truely is and the rest doesn't matter.

It worked out though. Tigger, I think found his soul mate after all.  His former gf felt that, he deserved someone who didn't have the hangups and emotional baggage that she carried. Having said that, If any girl here were to date him, she would find him to be a very caring and loving man. He just needed a little education at first, given he had not known much about transsexuals in the first place.
It's that ability to look into your heart and past the exterior that I find endearing and just a small part of why he is my best friend.

Title: Re: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: Rebekah with a K-A-H on December 14, 2011, 02:15:55 AM
Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on December 11, 2011, 02:22:59 PM
Gonna be a long time then. Plus ffs and ba... I don't know how you could do it. I admire your patience and courage.

You will have enough time to work out your identity...I had less than 6 months from going from living as a boy to "passing" LOL... I never got t work out that aspect of who I was and adapt.

Seriously, I said stuff like that a lot before transition, but I broke down after about six months and had to start dating again, 'cause I'm a sex and affection fiend.
Title: Re: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: Mahsa Tezani on December 14, 2011, 02:25:23 AM
Quote from: Wonderdyke on December 14, 2011, 02:15:55 AM
Seriously, I said stuff like that a lot before transition, but I broke down after about six months and had to start dating again, 'cause I'm a sex and affection fiend.

I've been dating for the last 15 years. Does this ever stop? Oh crap, don't wanna jinx it. Wait, I have a date tomorrow...with that guy, the guy with the beard.
Title: Re: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: Rebekah with a K-A-H on December 14, 2011, 02:33:19 AM
Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on December 14, 2011, 02:25:23 AM
I've been dating for the last 15 years. Does this ever stop? Oh crap, don't wanna jinx it. Wait, I have a date tomorrow...with that guy, the guy with the beard.

Mahsa, I don't think anyone with the swag you're rockin' could not always have someone around their arm.
Title: Re: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: Mahsa Tezani on December 14, 2011, 02:49:09 AM
Quote from: Wonderdyke on December 14, 2011, 02:33:19 AM
Mahsa, I don't think anyone with the swag you're rockin' could not always have someone around their arm.

Off the hor moans today and I wore a red/white/blue dress. No one flirted with me, then again I was extremely sleepy and drowsy on vicodin. however a guy I made out with...this overcompensating "straight" boy asked me out to a strip club.
Title: Re: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: Rebekah with a K-A-H on December 14, 2011, 02:53:05 AM
Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on December 14, 2011, 02:49:09 AM
Off the hor moans today and I wore a red/white/blue dress. No one flirted with me, then again I was extremely sleepy and drowsy on vicodin. however a guy I made out with...this overcompensating "straight" boy asked me out to a strip club.

Whoremoans, even.  (That's my new favorite word, by the way.)

But see here.  You're in a Vicodin haze and you still manage to snog a dude.  That's honestly impressive.  Normally, I just end up in questionably platonic cuddles with my queer friends.
Title: Re: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: Mahsa Tezani on December 14, 2011, 02:59:41 AM
Quote from: Wonderdyke on December 14, 2011, 02:53:05 AM
Whoremoans, even.  (That's my new favorite word, by the way.)

But see here.  You're in a Vicodin haze and you still manage to snog a dude.  That's honestly impressive.  Normally, I just end up in questionably platonic cuddles with my queer friends.

I knew him previously. I think God and or Jesus don't want me to have a full plate until I've done something with the men on my plate now. The guy with the beard is obsessed with me.
Title: Re: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: Rebekah with a K-A-H on December 14, 2011, 03:12:58 AM
Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on December 14, 2011, 02:59:41 AM
I knew him previously. I think God and or Jesus don't want me to have a full plate until I've done something with the men on my plate now. The guy with the beard is obsessed with me.

Heh, I wouldn't complain if I were you.  There isn't much bad about having too much of a good thing.
Title: Re: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: Mahsa Tezani on December 14, 2011, 03:17:06 AM
Quote from: Wonderdyke on December 14, 2011, 03:12:58 AM
Heh, I wouldn't complain if I were you.  There isn't much bad about having too much of a good thing.

I think he wants me to focus on one thing at a time. Namely figuring out what to do with the married guy, the single young horny guy, and the nice bearded guy. I need to go out and socialize more. Today was the first day I went out alone in 3 weeks to actually meet other people.
Title: Re: Straight Men and Transgender Women
Post by: Rebekah with a K-A-H on December 14, 2011, 03:28:32 AM
Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on December 14, 2011, 03:17:06 AM
I think he wants me to focus on one thing at a time. Namely figuring out what to do with the married guy, the single young horny guy, and the nice bearded guy. I need to go out and socialize more. Today was the first day I went out alone in 3 weeks to actually meet other people.

That's awesome.  I've been really sick lately, but I've told myself next semester that I'm going to flirt and socialize a little more, so I don't confine my life to just my girlfriend and then occasional parties with already-made friends.