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Title: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Smith on October 05, 2010, 11:08:56 am
Sorry stupid question, but I just wanna know, is that possible to implant ovaries, fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman?

Maybe this is insane or really stupid question, sorry if this question make some people not like it, but I just want to know.  :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: cassie09 on October 05, 2010, 11:13:40 am
Sorry stupid question, but I just wanna know, is that possible to implant ovaries, fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman?

Maybe this is insane or really stupid question, sorry if this question make some people not like it, but I just want to know.  :embarrassed:

There has been an attempt in recent years to transplant a uterus, but it hasnt been succesful. The recipient had to have it removed 3 months later as it was causing complications. They are trying. It's still a while away but there's a great possibility that someday (who knows when), a transgender woman would be able to concieve a child. That being said, i dont think you can transplant ovaries and fallopian tubes, so the child will never be the genetic child of the trans woman unless her sperm was frozen and utilized to fertilize the egg.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Izumi on October 05, 2010, 11:15:03 am
Sorry stupid question, but I just wanna know, is that possible to implant ovaries, fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman?

Maybe this is insane or really stupid question, sorry if this question make some people not like it, but I just want to know.  :embarrassed:

Medical technology has not progressed enough to do this, the last i heard they tried to transplant a uterus to another woman, it failed.  Still a lot to learn.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Izumi on October 05, 2010, 11:16:15 am
There has been an attempt in recent years to transplant a uterus, but it hasnt been succesful. The recipient had to have it removed 3 months later as it was causing complications. They are trying. It's still a while away but there's a great possibility that someday (who knows when), a transgender woman would be able to concieve a child. That being said, i dont think you can transplant ovaries and fallopian tubes, so the child will never be the genetic child of the trans woman unless her sperm was frozen and utilized to fertilize the egg.

Heh, Asexual reproduction.. the hard way.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Angela on October 05, 2010, 02:18:06 pm
I often wonder, when the day does come when this is possible, will we be looked upon in a better light ???  Because, then they cant say we cant do anything a born female can do. 
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: tori319 on October 05, 2010, 03:37:34 pm
Sorry stupid question, but I just wanna know, is that possible to implant ovaries, fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman?

Maybe this is insane or really stupid question, sorry if this question make some people not like it, but I just want to know.  :embarrassed:
They've been able to create artificial ovaries and they found a way to genetically change gender in mice so while it's not possible today I think we'll see lot of things happen within the next decade.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Iceprincess on October 05, 2010, 04:22:48 pm
give it 25 years and it will be possible ;)
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Elsa.G on November 22, 2010, 11:03:16 pm
I highly doubt it. I dont think it will ever be seen as medically necessary so i doubt doctors would actually take time to figure this out. Sure it would be convenient as it would be pretty expensive but i think its unlikely
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: tori319 on November 22, 2010, 11:43:53 pm
Do you know how many bio women lack some of these parts? Of course this is medically necessary. And what starts with bio women could be followed by by trans women.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: YellowDaisy on November 22, 2010, 11:54:39 pm
i'm not really that interested though. if you want to reproduce, there is sperm freezing, or even getting donors. other than that, i really don't need monthly cramps or labor pains to make me feel like a "real woman." i think trying to do this would be a bit on the extremist side.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: justme19 on November 23, 2010, 12:18:16 am
After doing some reserch into this, im going to say, I believe in the next 20-30years or longer. But from what ive read, it looks possible, but we just don't no how exactly.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: sarahla on November 23, 2010, 01:18:01 am
Hi,

I just want to add to the mix that science is experimenting with stem cells, both embryonic and adult.  Although it is not possible now, I have heard talk about growing body parts, like hearts and why not an ovary.

IMHO, I would agree that about 20 to 30 years or so.  Transplants may or may not be first, because of the rejection issue, but stem cell looks promising and worked on extensively.

I would love to have my own ovaries and the rest of the body parts.  That would put in in parity with genetic women.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: tori319 on November 23, 2010, 01:37:29 am
i'm not really that interested though. if you want to reproduce, there is sperm freezing, or even getting donors. other than that, i really don't need monthly cramps or labor pains to make me feel like a "real woman." i think trying to do this would be a bit on the extremist side.
It seems extreme to want to function like a normal female?
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: sarahla on November 23, 2010, 01:49:59 am
Hi Tori,

I agree with you.  It is "those extremes" that bind women and create a solidarity.  That is the female condition.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: caitlin_adams on November 23, 2010, 02:13:07 am
i'm not really that interested though. if you want to reproduce, there is sperm freezing, or even getting donors. other than that, i really don't need monthly cramps or labor pains to make me feel like a "real woman." i think trying to do this would be a bit on the extremist side.

Not at all.

I want to have children. If I partner with a genetic male, the only way to have children is to find a surrogate (difficult in many jurisdictions, even when it is legal) or adopt.

I could do without the labor pains and monthly cramps, but it would be nice to have children.

The procedure may not receive the same levels of funding or research as terminal cancers, but there are enough people (genetic females included) that desire to have their own children and can't due to their reproductive organs that will provide a market for this procedure.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: tgirljuliewilson on November 23, 2010, 03:13:43 am
To function like a genetic woman is the goal.

I would much rather have a transplanted vagina and the associated tissue than have an inverted penis (or colon material) in a vagina approximation...

Give me the real thing--even if I wasn't born with it--rather than a 90% attempt...'

Just my 2 cents, and yes, I asked the same question here a few years ago....
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: pebbles on November 23, 2010, 03:32:21 am
Tissue rejection is an issue MHC's are different making organ transplantation impossible not only that but if the organ comes from a donor then it won't be your child your carrying.

We've done work on tissue engineering however the experiments we've got thus far are limited. Organ cloning however is big business.

We've cloned a rat heart... What we do there is you get an organ kill all the cells on it leaving the ECM Extra cellular matrix get some of your own stem cells de-then Re-differentiate them into heart muscle cells and gently wash the cells over the clear ECM allowing the cells to adhere causing a new heart with genetics of the donor mouse to be created  with no tissue rejection.

Problem is Germ line cells like Egg and sperm cells have there own separate linage and those cells separate off early thus its difficult to create these in a lab.

Another problem I think will come up and I've observed researching orgasms is that male and female orgasms are different the reason for this difference is potentially due to differentiation at puberty into either the male or female limbic system.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: glendagladwitch on November 23, 2010, 05:06:18 am
They've been trying to do this for a very long time.  Lily Elbe reportedly died of such a procedure in 1931.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lili_Elbe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lili_Elbe)
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Elsa.G on November 23, 2010, 05:30:03 am
Do you know how many bio women lack some of these parts? Of course this is medically necessary. And what starts with bio women could be followed by by trans women.
The thing is bio women have a different make up of their body. Different dna, hormones, body structure, etc. Sure they could possibly advance in this area as far as bio women are concerned but mtf's are a whole different story. GG's bodies are built for giving birth, regardless if they are infertile, missing ovaries, uterus, etc. Transplanting the works would be extremely complicated especially in a way where mtf's would be able to get pregnant and give birth.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: glendagladwitch on November 23, 2010, 06:10:48 am
The thing is bio women have a different make up of their body. Different dna, hormones, body structure, etc. Sure they could possibly advance in this area as far as bio women are concerned but mtf's are a whole different story. GG's bodies are built for giving birth, regardless if they are infertile, missing ovaries, uterus, etc. Transplanting the works would be extremely complicated especially in a way where mtf's would be able to get pregnant and give birth.

I don't think there's much difference between a fully surgically transitioned mtf and a gg who has had a complete hysterectomy.  And if the MTF transitioned pre puberty, the hips would even be enlarged for giving birth.  Even without enlarged hips, c section can still be used to deliver.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Aidan_ on November 23, 2010, 07:34:51 am
Hrm. This type of thing probably will not be available for a long time (read as: 30+ years). By that time, I'd be 51 and that's roughly the age where women are unable to bear children. Though if it were available when I have my SRS and it was safe with no huge risk, I would probably take it seeing as it would put me that much closer to a GG.

Still, I wouldn't cross your fingers for it anytime soon...Maybe our grandchildren will see it in action though.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Jalene E. on November 23, 2010, 08:06:31 am
The major difference between male and female as far as giving birth is a GG has a longer torso than the male for the purpose of child birth. There may not be enough room for the baby to grow in the mtf and it could pose some very serious risks.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: glendagladwitch on November 23, 2010, 08:09:07 am
There are numerous documented Internet hoaxes about men giving birth through ectopic pregnancy, so don't get your hopes up.  However, I did come across this article about a purported SRS surgeon in China supposedly actively recruiting volunteers to try it out.

Given that ectopic pregnancies in women are routinely aborted to save the mother's life, I would doubt that it is true, and wouldn't recommend volunteering if it is true.

http://www.ayushveda.com/pregnancy/male-pregnancy.htm (http://www.ayushveda.com/pregnancy/male-pregnancy.htm)
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: sarahla on November 23, 2010, 10:40:49 am
Thanks for the article.  It was an interesting read.

If safe, I would love to get all the plumbing and have a 100% female anatomy downstairs with my own eggs, not that of someone else, but I do see that as about 30 years sadly, which would make me a bit old for bearing children.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Aidan_ on November 23, 2010, 12:08:08 pm
Looks like we just have to make due with what we get (which is more than enough for me). Hey, maybe reincarnation is really true and we won't lose the coin toss this time!
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Debra on November 23, 2010, 12:38:47 pm
Yeah I've heard all kinds of things they've been researching.

Even taking your DNA from your sperm and implanting the DNA into a donor egg that can then be fertilized by someone's sperm.

I don't want to be pregnant right now but I do LONG for it. The fact that I CANT be really pains me. I know I can adopt and stuff but it just wont be the same.

And yeah I suspect 30-40 years before they have anything even close to the technology that will work. I'll be an old lady....
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: YellowDaisy on November 23, 2010, 12:59:38 pm
It seems extreme to want to function like a normal female?

i don't think i could tell you one genetic female that enjoys having periods and pms.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: girl_ashley on November 23, 2010, 01:13:23 pm
The thing is bio women have a different make up of their body. Different dna, hormones, body structure, etc. Sure they could possibly advance in this area as far as bio women are concerned but mtf's are a whole different story. GG's bodies are built for giving birth, regardless if they are infertile, missing ovaries, uterus, etc. Transplanting the works would be extremely complicated especially in a way where mtf's would be able to get pregnant and give birth.

You should further qualify your argument here.  You said several times that the bodies are made different, yet you do not elaborate as to how different specifically. 

Yes, GGs pelvis is shaped in a way to support child birth.  A trans woman's pelvis is not shaped this way and thus would not allow such a birth.  However, there is this procedure called "Cesarean" where by a newborn child can be safely plucked from the womb without harm to mom or the child.  So, a trans woman, should be able to have a child.  But even with a fully functioning parts, a trans woman would never be able to have a vaginal birth, a c-section would be necessary.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: girl_ashley on November 23, 2010, 01:16:42 pm
The major difference between male and female as far as giving birth is a GG has a longer torso than the male for the purpose of child birth. There may not be enough room for the baby to grow in the mtf and it could pose some very serious risks.

You should probably modify your understanding of human anatomy.  There is plenty of room in the torso.  Why should torso size make a difference?  If what you say were true, then little people would not be able to give birth to normal sized children (or any sized children for that matter), and they do all the time (Watch "Little People, Big World" on TLC if you need proof).
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: tori319 on November 23, 2010, 01:22:47 pm
The thing is bio women have a different make up of their body. Different dna, hormones, body structure, etc. Sure they could possibly advance in this area as far as bio women are concerned but mtf's are a whole different story. GG's bodies are built for giving birth, regardless if they are infertile, missing ovaries, uterus, etc. Transplanting the works would be extremely complicated especially in a way where mtf's would be able to get pregnant and give birth.
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You could be right assuming your talking about the trans women who transitioned in adulthood. Not to mention the women who do get a lot of changes on hormones.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: juliemac on November 23, 2010, 05:49:33 pm
Well we all had the basics at one time. Unfortuneatly, we got tagged by the TDF segment of a gene (Testes Determining Factor). The Mullarian segments were absorbed by the body and the Wolfian developed instead.
(Damn)
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: tori319 on November 23, 2010, 06:21:21 pm
i don't think i could tell you one genetic female that enjoys having periods and pms.

I understand that but I still don't see how  it's extreme.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: YellowDaisy on November 23, 2010, 07:29:05 pm
I understand that but I still don't see how  it's extreme.

fair enough, but i think if you are thinking you are something less than a "real" woman because you don't have these parts, you are being too hard on yourself.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: glendagladwitch on November 23, 2010, 07:34:04 pm
fair enough, but i think if you are thinking you are something less than a "real" woman because you don't have these parts, you are being too hard on yourself.

As sad as it may be, I'm sure there are some GGs who had full hysterectomies and, as a result, no longer view themselves as "real women."  That's a truly narrow viewpoint.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: YellowDaisy on November 23, 2010, 07:36:57 pm
this issue keeps coming up agai and again. Wishfull thinking coupled with misleading half-scientific reports. If we could engineer organs, nobody would be dying of kindney or liver fzilure. Tye promise of stem cell technology is real, but even if we could maake pu your vagina, uterus, fllopuan tuve and ovaries, the problem remain of how to mak ger cell, you know th celles tha make egss

I thik the first tissue to be enginnered woulkd be he mucosa of ye aigna, out of bucal cells. The technology already exist, and in vitro vaginas habe been made in Egypt. Plear buy me a tickey to Egypt :)

actually, there is no cell that makes eggs. they are follicles in the ovaries that don't start maturing until puberty. the mature follicle is an egg cell. every newborn female has them even when they are in menopause and aren't using them anymore.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: A on November 23, 2010, 07:51:55 pm
The first successful (fully recorded) vaginoplasty patient also died from an attempt to get an uterus. He (because at the time I am told he still functionned as a male) did it himself, with an assistant, too. Not very safe.

Anyway, just to say that doctors have been trying to do this forever, and are still trying. Stem cells and cloning give the most promising results, without anything close to a satisfactory result, yet. So, yeah, like people have said, it will happen. But we do not know when.

But even with an uterus, unless they find a new hormone that makes the body de-develop and re-develop as female (not likely) or HRT is started very early, the bone shape will most likely not allow the birth of a child, so they will have to cut us open. This is not an ideal situation, but it's still an improvement.

Apart from that, I BELIEVE full in vitro reproduction without any uterus is already possible. And they someone, somewhere, is surely working on making "mixed clones" by manually removing an ovule's genetic material, then adding half of one person's genes, and half of another. If not, they will soon enough. They are already capable of doing it with one person (it's called a clone and it's illegal, but they CAN do it).
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: YellowDaisy on November 23, 2010, 07:53:42 pm
As sad as it may be, I'm sure there are some GGs who had full hysterectomies and, as a result, no longer view themselves as "real women."  That's a truly narrow viewpoint.

to me it sounds like you're saying women should feel less if they lack these reproductive organs. why?
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: glendagladwitch on November 23, 2010, 08:00:38 pm
to me it sounds like you're saying women should feel less if they lack these reproductive organs. why?

I did not say "should," but I think some of them do, especially in some other cultures (e.g., south america or so i'm told).  I don't think they should feel that way, and I don't think any MTF should see herself as less of a woman for not having those organs either.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Debra on November 23, 2010, 10:50:29 pm

But even with an uterus, unless they find a new hormone that makes the body de-develop and re-develop as female (not likely) or HRT is started very early, the bone shape will most likely not allow the birth of a child, so they will have to cut us open.

I have to admit that even if I could be pregnant, they better C-section me anyway, dont want my new vagina messed up! lol
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Elsa.G on November 24, 2010, 01:55:24 am
You should further qualify your argument here.  You said several times that the bodies are made different, yet you do not elaborate as to how different specifically. 

Yes, GGs pelvis is shaped in a way to support child birth.  A trans woman's pelvis is not shaped this way and thus would not allow such a birth.  However, there is this procedure called "Cesarean" where by a newborn child can be safely plucked from the womb without harm to mom or the child.  So, a trans woman, should be able to have a child.  But even with a fully functioning parts, a trans woman would never be able to have a vaginal birth, a c-section would be necessary.
Its not that simple, its not just an issue of transplanting a uterus here. There's so many things involved here. You cannot just put a foreign object into a body that has no idea what to do with it. As we all unfortunately know males and females have different dna structure. Sadly male dna is not wired to be pregnant. If anyone gets any kind of transplant they face the issue of rejection to which they have to take immunosuppresors. Most people get transplants such as kidneys, its a different issue than a uterus. Males and females both have all these organs, but a uterus is more of a sex specific organ. A male body is not necessarily the right enviroment to transplant a uterus. Like i said its not just about putting something foreign in the body, supporting a uterus and a pregnancy also has to do with bio-chemistry, the right hormones, enzymes, cells, etc. Like i said before and ill say it again a female body is built for having children, right down to the hips, pelvis, spine, everything.  Its all more complicated than people think
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: A on November 24, 2010, 09:59:29 am
Well, I know it's not as simple as we put it, but the thing is, I believe all of these obstacles to be possible to overcome. Rejection is not an issue. And if we make ovaries that have the right genetic material, these, if "plugged" correctly, along with the uterus, that "should" behave like it was there at birth, all of these should react favorably to pregnancy. I do realize ovaries/testicles are certainly the hardest organs to make, but I'm sure they will eventually be able to do it.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Cruelladeville on November 24, 2010, 10:14:20 am
It still staggers me that few get that the next 20 years are going to be nothing like the previous 20....

We could be going back to the future literally..... watch, listen and learn....

http://www.chrismartenson.com/page/crash-course-one-year-anniversary (http://www.chrismartenson.com/page/crash-course-one-year-anniversary)

Hit Part 6: Our Current Predicaments (8:43) for the summary...kids....

So the future of medicine might in fact be more herb garden, than robotic medic stem cell regeneration gleaming stainless steel fantastic...

To hedge yer bets start making plans accordingly !

PS: We are already (way-over) population over shoot..... want a baby?

Adopt one!
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Sadie on November 24, 2010, 11:03:13 am
Until you could create a genetically compatible tissue, basically engineered/cloned from your own DNA you would have to fight the problem of rejection.

Anyone who receives any type of organ transplant spends the rest of their life taking immunosuppression drugs to keep from rejecting the transplanted material, now try to add the difficulty of growing a baby in an immunosuppressed system and then trying to regulate all of the hormonal fluctuations that are necessary to take place during a pregnancy, well I don't see this really being viable any time soon, for MTFs.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: tori319 on November 24, 2010, 07:18:58 pm
It still staggers me that few get that the next 20 years are going to be nothing like the previous 20....

We could be going back to the future literally..... watch, listen and learn....

http://www.chrismartenson.com/page/crash-course-one-year-anniversary (http://www.chrismartenson.com/page/crash-course-one-year-anniversary)

Hit Part 6: Our Current Predicaments (8:43) for the summary...kids....

So the future of medicine might in fact be more herb garden, than robotic medic stem cell regeneration gleaming stainless steel fantastic...

To hedge yer bets start making plans accordingly !

PS: We are already (way-over) population over shoot..... want a baby?

Adopt one!
Adoption is a long and expensive process.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: sarahla on November 25, 2010, 12:33:44 am
I am by no means a doctor, but in this case DNA differences have nothing to do with the body fighting off the baby.   A woman who gets pregnant would also fight off the fetus, and sometimes if the separation is not perfect I have heard of such problems.  The uterus and placenta are more than just a baby storage facility for the lack of a better phrase.  They also separate out the new life from the mother.  Fluids get exchanged through the placenta and evidence of a foreign body is hidden in this way.

If a transsexual woman would get a full transplant, which the body would accept and not reject, then the transsexual woman would be able to carry a baby to term.

I was researching public bones / pelvises and the differences between males and females.  Here is an article, which matches the illustrations that I saw on wikipedia.

http://etransgender.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=407 (http://etransgender.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=407)

Basically, men and women are the same by and large with women wider and men's a bit thicker.  Pre-puberty (< 13 or so), the bones are separated but fuse during puberty.

Pregnancy:  I was reading another website (referred to by wikipedia as the source of its information (#32 on the footnotes) and even women have some problems.  The pubic bone / pelvis in women is meant to support the baby, hence being a bit wider (and fused).  The opening of the pelvis has to be large enough for the baby to pass through during child birth.  The site said that some small women with short pelvises have problems with large babies, but usually there is no problem.

From what I read, I do not see where a transsexual women who received all the plumbing would have problem carrying a baby to term.

The topic is all theoretical.

Oh, the article said that pre-puberty the skeletal structure in males and females are identical and only differentiate during puberty (wider hips, etc.)
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: A on November 25, 2010, 12:39:38 pm
This is surprising. I have always found young boys had proportionally wider shoulders than young girls, even before the age of 10. I think there IS a difference.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: pixiegirl on November 25, 2010, 10:00:08 pm
This has got me thinking lots.. I'll have to start a couple of threads of my own for the thoughts though :)

But first... to answer the original question: No, nowhere near it for Transpeople. They are working on uterine transplants for GG's though, and ovarian ones are pretty common at this stage (I think one type of it is considered an outpatient procedure and the least invasive type of transplant surgery). Give it 20-30 years maybe... for more on this point I'm going to start a new thread though.

I hope I'm not overstepping myself here but I really want to say a few things about some of the other stuff in the replies so far:

@Sadie: I don't see how the immunosupressant regimen for a donor set of girl plumbing ( :) ) would be a problem even today if the procedure was possible. Pregnancy of an organ recipient has a few extra risks and is recommended less the more severe the surgery, but it happens all the time. The first successful post transplant pregnancy was in 1963 afaik. Just involves a lot of extra medical montoring during and after the pregnancy to watch for problems. After nearly 50 years of practice I think they have this bit down.

@elsa: I'm sorry, but can you clarify what you've been saying please, not much of it is making sense to me. Yes, pregnancy is quite complex when you get to the details, but:
dna structure has nothing to do with pregnancy, once past the point that male dna causes you not to develop ovaries and a uterus, naturally produce female hormones and have wide hips ie: what hrt and this transplant would get around.
The rest of the physiological points you've made about torso size, or the spine simply aren't relevant.
As far as biochemical and hormone environments in the body goes, if ovaries were transplanted too and functioning they'd regulate a correct body response to pregnancy... if not, well, a lot of treatments for infertility involve artificially doing that for the body in the same way as HRT - the ability to do this is with a little tweaking is possible today, has been for decades now.

I guess what I'm saying is that every reason you've stated about why this is going to be impossible seems counterable to me. Now I'm not saying it's do-able yet, or that there wouldn't need to be a lot of changes and development to hormone regimes, or even that something so far unseen won't make it impossible/too dangerous/etc... but I've yet to see anything that would definitively rule it out as you seem to think.

Uhh, this turned into a long post. Hi everyone, by the way.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: sarahla on November 25, 2010, 11:02:40 pm
Pixidust:  You stated my original point that it is definitely possible, just needs a bit of time.  I think that a vaginal birth is also possible, although I am not sure the penial inversion would be suitable for a vaginal birth.  Doctors would have to transplant / grow a vagina as well.  That would have the additional benefit of the vaginal mucosa and the g-spot, if all the plumbing would be transplanted.  Doctors would have to measure to make sure that the child could fit through the pelvis, but otherwise, why not?

my own comment:  IMHO, one does not need a baby to feel like a woman, although a vagina does help.  Having a baby should never be about feeling like a woman.  Having a baby is about brining a life into this world, loving it, and being a mother, in this case to a genetic child that you bear and raise.  Personally, unless I get old, I would love that experience, although I would not be crazy for the stretch marks and stretching of the vagina, although Kagel exercises are supposed to help there.

I would like my own set of ovaries, real vaginal mucosa glands, and a real vagina.  I would love a female larynx too, as long as we are doing a wish list.

There is one more point on a off topic.  Medical science cannot even transplant or grow hair from stem cells to help people with male pattern baldness.  I keep hearing about growing hair in a petri dish and then transplanting it, but so far absolutely nothing.  That would come years before anything like what we are talking about here with ovaries and the like being grown and transplanted.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Cruelladeville on November 26, 2010, 03:40:37 am
The interesting aspect of stem cell regeneration... of organs, currently is...

You need a dying/living person to donate the base organ to create a cellular framework....

This is then cleaned down to the base level and then is bombarded with the recipient’s stem cell cultures..

The organ is then grown/fed to flesh style in an incubator....

Then when its functioning finally transplanted...can’t see that bringing up any ethical or moral issues in an uber-Christian nation such as the USA....lol Using another woman's baby-making parts to create the first TG woman's child...

The National Enquirer headline, well you can guess can't you!

Most complex thing they've done this with so far? A mouse’s heart, which did start spontaneously beating!
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: rejennyrated on November 26, 2010, 07:34:28 am
It's way to late for me now, but I find it rather odd that so many people on hear seem not to want the whole female experience.

Yes Periods are undoubtedly sometime messy and uncomfortable but they are part of the authentic experience of being a woman for the majority of women. I would like to have been fertile, and to do so it would have been well worth any discomfort or inconvenience.

I suspect that gene manipulation and the ability to grow cloned fully genetically compatible organs from our own tissue may one day be possible and when it does then a true biological sex change will at last be properly possible. Unfortunately however this may not take place for another 50 or more years, because, as Cruella rightly observes, the human race has a few other considerably more pressing problems to solve first.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Telzey on November 28, 2010, 03:35:04 pm
I believe there are a lot of physical differences between Genetic and MtF woman, but I don't think that the differences are so difficult that they would negate the procedure were it available. And that gives me for one hope, that someday I would be able to have my own children. That is one fulfillment that we are denied currently through a cruelty of fate so the idea that it is a possibility really excites me. :o
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Danacee on December 01, 2010, 02:47:22 am
it is most likely doctors will perfect a method of entropic pregnancy and make eggs from steam cells. There are verifiable cases of normal women giving birth to perfectly healthy babies through embryos that literally fell out of the fallopian tubes into the abdominal cavity. With actual placement methods developed to keep the placenta from rooting anywhere too dangerous its actually plausible stuff in the next 10-15 years. Gametes are among the least ambitious things to be made from scratch with stem cells.

Also, a healthy placenta makes more than enough hormones to carry a pregnancy itself after the first month. Uterus transplants, reproductive organs made entirely with stem cells is far flung science fiction next to the entropic method.

Personally I'd rather have my child in external man-made uterus. Even though I've been thin all my life I've suffered from periods of hormone induced stretch marks around my thighs since my teens. Could only imagine what would happen if I was pregnant, not to add my belly. Would never wear a swimsuit again.


Also, as said C-section completely negates all genetic male versus female arguments. No women who has gone through anything that would obstruct her vaginal canal would ever, ever be considered or consider vaginal birth. Besides some of us, such as myself according to my gyno have a large pelvic opening which can be ascertained by the bone structure. Many genetic women have completely male like apple frames as well with a male like pelvis, and although are watched extra carefully during birth, they usually can squeeze them out too. This is not a black and white matter.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Christine Snider on December 05, 2010, 10:40:18 pm
I've looked into this quite a bit over the past several months and found some interesting medical developments. They are currently developing a method that would allow them to use your own DNA + stem cells to literally print (cell by cell) a working bio identical uterus (and other organs) for transplantation. Also, biological males have the same DNA women but because of testosterone only certain genes are activated. Once we have gone through puberty certain aspects of our bodies will not change much or at all. However, There is also another type of synthetic hormone used in osteoperosis patients that forces reabsorption and rapid growth of bone called teriparatide. I emailed one of the leading experts in bone development and heath at harvard and she informed me that, unfortunately, it is to dangerous to be used for the purpose of causing female pattern bone growth. This is because the FDA approved it for only 2yrs use on osteoporosis patients because after prolonged use it causes osteocarcinoma (bone cancer). She told me that the reason the body reacts so negatively to Teriparatide is because it is not yet bioidentical and is only the second generation of the hormone.  So with luck and lots of research maybe we will be able to have genetically identical female reproductive organs and those feminine hips many of us desire. Hopefully within the next 20yrs... just saying....
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Post by: A on December 05, 2010, 10:55:42 pm
Whoa, that is some huge thing to hope for.

Thank you so much for researching this, Christine Snider !
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Post by: Christine Snider on December 05, 2010, 11:14:00 pm
You're very welcome. I really hope they can get teriparatide to a point where it won't cause bone cancer. Oh also there is a new breast augmentation procedure being reviewed for FDA approval that is supposed to mimic fat cells in the breast.

here's the link - http://www.microbreastaug.com/ (http://www.microbreastaug.com/)
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: tori319 on December 07, 2010, 02:36:07 am
I've looked into this quite a bit over the past several months and found some interesting medical developments. They are currently developing a method that would allow them to use your own DNA + stem cells to literally print (cell by cell) a working bio identical uterus (and other organs) for transplantation. Also, biological males have the same DNA women but because of testosterone only certain genes are activated. Once we have gone through puberty certain aspects of our bodies will not change much or at all. However, There is also another type of synthetic hormone used in osteoperosis patients that forces reabsorption and rapid growth of bone called teriparatide. I emailed one of the leading experts in bone development and heath at harvard and she informed me that, unfortunately, it is to dangerous to be used for the purpose of causing female pattern bone growth. This is because the FDA approved it for only 2yrs use on osteoporosis patients because after prolonged use it causes osteocarcinoma (bone cancer). She told me that the reason the body reacts so negatively to Teriparatide is because it is not yet bioidentical and is only the second generation of the hormone.  So with luck and lots of research maybe we will be able to have genetically identical female reproductive organs and those feminine hips many of us desire. Hopefully within the next 20yrs... just saying....


Here's hoping I'm 19 now and hope for something by the time I'm 44. Of course I'll adopt but it would be great to give life to my own children.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: VeronikaFTH on December 09, 2010, 09:33:43 am
I suppose I'm lucky in some ways. Although I wished I had transitioned earlier in life, I was married and have a daughter already. I only got to experience the pregnancy vicariously through my (ex) wife.

There are certain parts of being pregnant that I really wouldn't wish for, such as morning sickness, the horribly uncomfortable 9 month way-too-big stage, and of course the birth. I was there for the birth, and am I ever glad that it wasn't me lying there. LOL...

And let's not forget menstruation... Which natal women hate, and some even take birth control just to avoid. My sister-in-law called me a "Lucky b@&$*" because I'll never go through it...

Having said all this though... Would I be willing to go through these experiences to be a 100% functioning female? Absolutely...
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: sarahla on December 09, 2010, 10:24:15 am
You phrased it well Veronika.  There is also the fact that having a kid distorts the vagina, but then of course you have your own child.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Zebulon Virginia on December 10, 2010, 04:22:30 pm
Aloha. I've been postponing breast hormones, hoping to get someone pregnant before losing my fertility. I'm 32 now, hoping someday I can become a fully functional, fertile woman... I realize I am a bit old, but who knows. Do you think it matters if I take hormones or not, in terms of getting all the plumbing installed someday?
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: A on December 10, 2010, 04:28:35 pm
Uh, I don't know ; only a physician (and maybe not any physician) could answer that, I think. But maybe taking hormones is better. I mean, it works with genetic females and they have those hormones.

Maybe you should think of freezing some sperm. That way, you don't have to sacrifice wellness for fertility and you can use that white thingie anytime later.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Zebulon Virginia on December 10, 2010, 05:08:29 pm
Could anyone reccomend where/how to freeze sperm in Los Angeles area? (free or cheap, hopefully)
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: A on December 10, 2010, 05:14:18 pm
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=fr&client=firefox-a&hs=0vC&rls=org.mozilla%3Afr%3Aofficial&q=sperm+storage+los+angeles&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= (http://www.google.ca/search?hl=fr&client=firefox-a&hs=0vC&rls=org.mozilla%3Afr%3Aofficial&q=sperm+storage+los+angeles&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=)
http://www.ihr.com/infertility/provider/spermbank.html (http://www.ihr.com/infertility/provider/spermbank.html)
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: lisanicholeb on December 11, 2010, 08:41:06 am
why on earth would anyone want to have that stuff installed? I cannot think of one reason.... tissue typing would also be a major problem not to mention the anti rejection drugs tha one would be one for life which would alos interfere with estrogens.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: VeronikaFTH on December 11, 2010, 11:30:03 am
why on earth would anyone want to have that stuff installed? I cannot think of one reason.... tissue typing would also be a major problem not to mention the anti rejection drugs tha one would be one for life which would alos interfere with estrogens.

Well, the goal is to function like a natal female, and I understand the desire to possess those organs. But I agree, I wouldn't want it transplanted from someone else. There are way too many complications with transplanted organs, as you mentioned.

Now if they found a way to make me grow them myself, or perhaps grew them from my own stem cells so that it was my own DNA, I might consider it.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: A on December 12, 2010, 11:53:40 am
That's pretty amazing.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: glendagladwitch on December 13, 2010, 08:10:49 pm
Well, the goal is to function like a natal female, and I understand the desire to possess those organs. But I agree, I wouldn't want it transplanted from someone else. There are way too many complications with transplanted organs, as you mentioned.

Now if they found a way to make me grow them myself, or perhaps grew them from my own stem cells so that it was my own DNA, I might consider it.

I'm a bit confused about the whole rejection of implanted organs thing.  Is it based purely on DNA?  I seem to recall something about using some kind of technique to destroy whatever it is in the transplant tissue that casues it to be perceived as a foreign invader, and then imbuing it woth your own characteristics so it can be transplanted without rejection.  I don't recall if it was just basic DNA, or if mitochondrial DNA matters (which I think you get from your mother or whomever carries you in their womb), but I thought it sounded pretty interesting.  I was just wondering if having our own organs cloned, but deprived of T during development to prevent musculinization, so it would have our own DNA, would be enough to avoid rejection, or if there is more to it.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: A on December 13, 2010, 10:25:40 pm
I believe organ rejection is based on blood type, but I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Smith on April 21, 2011, 01:05:14 am
This morning, I was listening radio that nowadays, every candidate of mother could choice what would be the gender of her baby.  The doctor could make what the candidate of mother's wanted.
Is this some kind new hope or something or maybe has related to be possible to implant ovaries, uterus by changing the DNA? 
Be a real female and become a mother ( like any bio woman else) is my big dreaming as TG woman, don't you feel the same ladies?
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: wannalivethetruth on April 21, 2011, 09:19:01 am
Idk...but all i know is..i want to give birth in maybe 5 years to my husband or bf baby
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: milktea on April 21, 2011, 10:27:14 am
Be a real female and become a mother ( like any bio woman else) is my big dreaming as TG woman, don't you feel the same ladies?
and this is one of the things i just don't get...why is having children a 'goal' for so many people? maybe i'm weird but i don't see the point in reproduction from a utilitarian viewpoint -- i mean from an individualised perspective what benefit do you derive from having a kid? you got to put in lots of effort to bring up a kid (or otherwise it is socially regarded as 'bad parenting'), spend lots of money, sacrifice your own fun and privacy, and there is absolutely no guarantee of any financial reward (or companionship) after your kid grows up.
so i can only conclude that whatever desire to have kid (or the satisfaction or joy associated with parenting) is because of some biological instinct hardwired into human brains for the obvious purpose of facilitating reproduction. and the whole sad thing about reproduction is that it is the way of collective immortality -- immortality on a specie level, not individual. in fact it takes a toll on the individual far more than advantage in today's world.
if my theory is true there is no benefit in reproduction for any given individual.
rebut me!
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Debra on April 21, 2011, 11:12:42 am
i don't think i could tell you one genetic female that enjoys having periods and pms.

I don't think any of us would *enjoy* having periods/pms but at the same time, we'd give anything to been born the way we feel we are.....and all the positive and negative that goes with it....including peroids/pms.

and this is one of the things i just don't get...why is having children a 'goal' for so many people? maybe i'm weird but i don't see the point in reproduction from a utilitarian viewpoint -- i mean from an individualised perspective what benefit do you derive from having a kid? you got to put in lots of effort to bring up a kid (or otherwise it is socially regarded as 'bad parenting'), spend lots of money, sacrifice your own fun and privacy, and there is absolutely no guarantee of any financial reward (or companionship) after your kid grows up.

What you're talking about is difference in personality and desire. Yes having kids is a totally different way of life than that of those who never do. Some people want to and others just dont.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: missjanealice on April 21, 2011, 02:04:48 pm
and this is one of the things i just don't get...why is having children a 'goal' for so many people? maybe i'm weird but i don't see the point in reproduction from a utilitarian viewpoint -- i mean from an individualised perspective what benefit do you derive from having a kid? you got to put in lots of effort to bring up a kid (or otherwise it is socially regarded as 'bad parenting'), spend lots of money, sacrifice your own fun and privacy, and there is absolutely no guarantee of any financial reward (or companionship) after your kid grows up.
so i can only conclude that whatever desire to have kid (or the satisfaction or joy associated with parenting) is because of some biological instinct hardwired into human brains for the obvious purpose of facilitating reproduction. and the whole sad thing about reproduction is that it is the way of collective immortality -- immortality on a specie level, not individual. in fact it takes a toll on the individual far more than advantage in today's world.
if my theory is true there is no benefit in reproduction for any given individual.
rebut me!

Wow... well to start my 6 year old daughter is my best friend in the world. I have not sacrificed anything, I give it freely because I choose to. I still have privacy, money, and freedom... but I also have TRUE unconditional love. The child/ parent relationship is (my opinion) the only place one obtains true unconditional love. She is also a way for me and my philosophies to live on past my death.
Also, there have been studies done and people with children on average live longer then those with-out

Sorry but at the end of my life my daughter will be the only thing I will have left for this world and to me that is more then enough to make it worth my time and effort.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: wannalivethetruth on April 21, 2011, 04:24:19 pm
The above post is so beautifull :).
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Jacelyn on April 21, 2011, 10:52:56 pm
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to have kid (or the satisfaction or joy associated with parenting) is because of some biological instinct hardwired into human brains for the obvious purpose of facilitating reproduction

Agreed. There seems to be MTFs with a desire to imitate a cis-women in every aspect, and in the process may miss the point of being female in the first place. Fact is many cis-women would rather be male for the dismay of having to conceived. Doctors would be quick to remove the urethra of women whenever they got the chance as an option to prevent cancer. Biological woman is not perfect, the presence of urethra is what prevent many women from hrt after menopause, as a result they cannot prevent aging due to atrophy of ovaries.

The concept of "complete" woman is misleading, its all the matter of mental prospective, one does not need to go through the physical process of child-bearing to feel "complete". To be free of the pain of child-bearing is a blessing, but some failed to appreciate it.

The fun of having a child, can more be translated into distraction of one's original lifestyle. As such one may have less time for oneself, or for one's love ones. But if one really desire a child to fulfill one's maternal nature, adaption is always an option.

As for the purpose of having a child other than maternal instinct [to love and care for someone], I think whatever that purpose may be, would be cruel as far as the child is concerned, as one would be using the child for something, to fulfill one's selfish objective.

If one is contented for having no purpose to have a child and still wants a child, it is recommended for adaption. To risk the health of one's body [like desire to have ovaries and urethal which are sources of cancer risk] in order to be able to conceive is not medically ethical.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: milktea on April 22, 2011, 11:48:16 am
agree that missjanealice has made some touching statements. but for pure academic discussion purposes, it seems very coincidental that all our emotions -- unconditional love for your kids, joy in seeing them grow and be happy, etc. -- serve the very effective purpose of propagation of your DNA in the human genome pool, not unlike any other animal or life forms.

so ya, your kid is what you leave to the world when you're gone. more exactly your kid is your effort in the proliferation of your dna to the world's biosphere. and perhaps, just perhaps, all our emotions are just brain circuit clockwork hardwired through ages of evolution to facilitate that.

but really, what benefit do i, as a separate sentient entity, get out of promoting my genes? it's the next best thing but nothing changes the fact that me and my kid are separate existences and we do not share a collective self-awareness. so although our emotional clockwork urges us to have kids, that urge is really only to benefit the specie as a whole and not on the individual.

it's almost 1am and i'm babbling. night...
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Post by: Jacelyn on April 22, 2011, 08:54:27 pm
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although our emotional clockwork urges us to have kids, that urge is really only to benefit the specie as a whole and not on the individual

In today's over populated society, the same emotional clockwork if not countered by birth-control effort, the effect of over population may drive human to the edge of starvation, and possibly war, which at this nuclear era will be level of total extinction of all species on earth.

Our genes are not that perfect to worth propagated, but then if our genes are perfect (eg. immortal), we have lesser need to pass it on, as we don't need offspring to replace us.

Having giving birth to a child is a gift, such a child certainly worth cherishing, it's nice feeling to know you finally have a son / daughter. It is something else when all these does not come by naturally, but is done at a high price in term of the body, mind and financial burden, as the resultant child could no longer be considered a gift [from nature].

Simply having the ability to bear offsprings does not solve society's problem, otherwise many under-developed countries which undergoes starvation would be better off. We are in need of the advancement of science, to cure all diseases, to bestow immortality so as to enable fullest quality of life, without the over-population problem that could inevitably result in wars due to fewer resources available to be distributed fairly. Due to over-population problem, even if science have the cure for old age, one can be sure that the cure would be kept in secret to few selected top government officials, or those with the money or those few who have the first knowledge of the cure. Facts: If human overcome the age barrier, the ability to propagate must cease, to halt population explosion.

As MTFs who gone through great length to achieve the seemingly impossible task of transition, such is the mark of exellence of the human spirit [which overcome the natural birth gender], but to entertain the narrow scope of propagating their own species,  they missed the further challenge against nature, such as old age, they unfortunately push their level to that of ordinary household women whose mindset is centered around family and kids.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: babykittenful on April 23, 2011, 12:12:20 am
To those who wish to have some ovaries cultivated from their DNA... I don't think that stuff is in our script. Male DNA is not meant to create functional female organs. And if we modify the DNA to create it... well, it's no longer ours, so our body won't recognize it anyway. Human body is very complex, and so is pregnancy.

An issue I also haven't seen on the tread is how our brain will interfere with it. Basically, the management of our reproductive system is done by the hypothalamus (a part of our brain), which then releases hormones so that the pituitary gland produces the hormones that are going to stimulate the testicles or the ovaries to do their job. However, considering how males and females are meant to function under very different hormone levels, I'm pretty sure that the hypothalamus is wired to react to male hormone levels. What this means is that even if you manage to get a fully compatible and functioning ovary, you're brain will have no idea of how to make it work! And that part means that unless you want to have a new brain part transplanted, your body will never be able to handle by itself such a delicate process as pregnancy. If we were to make this happen, we would have to manually control the levels of every hormones to a point that there wouldn't be much about it that would be "natural".
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: wheat thins are delicious on April 23, 2011, 01:07:50 am
Do you know how many bio women lack some of these parts? Of course this is medically necessary. And what starts with bio women could be followed by by trans women.


It's not medically necessary that anyone reproduce. 
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Jacelyn on April 23, 2011, 08:01:01 am
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Evolution is considered successful when genes create bodies that get them passed on. So, creatures don't have have to be perfect; just good enough. The same applies to consciousness. It doesn't have to be perfect, and in fact, it isn't. There are tons of (what we would consider) shortcuts and blind spots in the human mind that occur naturally.

There is evolution because there is imperfection in which to be evolved and overcome. Whenever defects and diseases are evidence in our species, evolution must go on.  The thing with consciousness and mind, is that it is not subject to evolution, and as such they are the cause for our species to be freed from evolution, its just a matter of time and judging from the short time we arrived at this stage of knowledge achievement, it wouldn't be long before the evolution of our species is finally put to an end.
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Post by: Jacelyn on April 23, 2011, 07:33:17 pm
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Evolution is a natural process. It doesn't have goals or intentions

That's why it takes billions of years for other beings to evolve aimlessly, and fraction of that for human to evolved into civilization. When mind take precedence over body, evolution ceases (the biological state no longer condition what we shall become). We are so close to it yet so far due to certain ignorance among us that resist advancement.

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saying that evolution is trying to eliminate imperfection is like saying that the process of erosion is trying to turn a boulder into sand

Something that evolve don't go on forever, there is a point where it will ceased, the emergence of mind in biological beings is the mark of evolution, it certainly mark its end. Imperfection is the impetus for the species to evolve, when perfection is reached, the process ceases,  that is the level of mental evolution, but the biological evolution necessary precede it. Imperfection entails the biological adaptation, then the mental component, the more intelligent species will always dominate. Imperfection entails less mentally adept, that's necessitate mental evolution, but when intellectual status reached its peak, evolution of mind ceases. Intellectual is not equate knowledge gain, it is matter of mental culture and altitude. A sound mind with mature intellect and culture know itself and know others, it reinforce itself and in others its likeness, is resistance to degeneration (influence of those who degenerate mind to level of biological impetus), is resistance to change of its sound condition (due to evolution of itself)
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Post by: babykittenful on April 23, 2011, 09:12:25 pm
We haven't ceased to evolve because we are perfect.

We have ceased to evolved because people who should normally die survive because of our medical system. When misadapted people don't die and reproduce, the process of evolution is simply stalled. It doesn't mean that we are now Perfect.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: soulfairer on April 23, 2011, 09:25:27 pm
Do you know how many bio women lack some of these parts? Of course this is medically necessary. And what starts with bio women could be followed by by trans women.

Not only this. Could new ovaries and uterus trigger generation of hormones? That's... No more HRT? Cramps and menses, okay, I'd cope with them if it was possible. Maybe then I can think of transitioning :)
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: soulfairer on April 23, 2011, 09:39:58 pm
This morning, I was listening radio that nowadays, every candidate of mother could choice what would be the gender of her baby.  The doctor could make what the candidate of mother's wanted.
Is this some kind new hope or something or maybe has related to be possible to implant ovaries, uterus by changing the DNA? 
Be a real female and become a mother ( like any bio woman else) is my big dreaming as TG woman, don't you feel the same ladies?

Probably he chooses the "right" karyotype when fertilizing. I don't think he manipulates the DNA after the fertilization, as it's then uncontrollable :) (then, there's the option of bombarding the fetus with estrogen or testosterone, maybe estrone and progesterone, but it would likely make the baby need to choose his/her path as many of us)

Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: soulfairer on April 23, 2011, 10:05:25 pm
To those who wish to have some ovaries cultivated from their DNA... I don't think that stuff is in our script. Male DNA is not meant to create functional female organs. And if we modify the DNA to create it... well, it's no longer ours, so our body won't recognize it anyway. Human body is very complex, and so is pregnancy.

An issue I also haven't seen on the tread is how our brain will interfere with it. Basically, the management of our reproductive system is done by the hypothalamus (a part of our brain), which then releases hormones so that the pituitary gland produces the hormones that are going to stimulate the testicles or the ovaries to do their job. However, considering how males and females are meant to function under very different hormone levels, I'm pretty sure that the hypothalamus is wired to react to male hormone levels. What this means is that even if you manage to get a fully compatible and functioning ovary, you're brain will have no idea of how to make it work! And that part means that unless you want to have a new brain part transplanted, your body will never be able to handle by itself such a delicate process as pregnancy. If we were to make this happen, we would have to manually control the levels of every hormones to a point that there wouldn't be much about it that would be "natural".

Hi! That stuff is somewhere in our script. As there are documented cases of true gonadal intersex (people 46, XY with both ovaries and testes) and cases of perfect external female genitalia, it may be possible to create "a woman from a man". Entirely, probably without changing much of the DNA, if any. The Y chromosome has no vital genes. People who are born XX and form male bodies usually carry the SRY gene (related to "maleness").
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Jacelyn on April 24, 2011, 12:01:32 am
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We have ceased to evolved because people who should normally die survive because of our medical system

The simple fact of survival does not equate perfect condition, quality of life and its duration have to be considered. We are not perfect yet, but the time will come when both quality of life and its duration can be mastered by the human will, at least at that time, we can say we have reached the end of our evolution, as there is nothing more needed to evolve in order to improve.

The point here is that evolution do come to an end, as there will reach a stage where the given species have no choice between survival and advancement (leaping over from stage of evolution). Without having evolved a mind in the first place, the option of advancement would not even exist, and distinction of the species is the only option of nature.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: milktea on April 24, 2011, 05:02:53 am
great discussion. the point i was trying to make is that evolution favours those who reproduces and ensure their children survive till they themselves reproduce. humans who fit this criteria are those who (1) have a big urge to want children; and (2) take care of their children. over time this want-children-and-care-for-them gene becomes dominant in the human gene pool.

so no matter how selfless and wonderful parenthood love is, the reason why human feel this way and behave this way (and society tries to make everyone this way) is just bio clockwork built into your genes.

but some of us (like me) lack this clockwork, so i don't derive joy from parenthood. and i don't want to promote my genes either...in fact i want my genes to be the only occurrence ever.

reminds me of the ever unresolved mystery -- why does evolution select against immortality?
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: babykittenful on April 24, 2011, 06:39:31 am
The simple fact of survival does not equate perfect condition, quality of life and its duration have to be considered. We are not perfect yet, but the time will come when both quality of life and its duration can be mastered by the human will, at least at that time, we can say we have reached the end of our evolution, as there is nothing more needed to evolve in order to improve.

The point here is that evolution do come to an end, as there will reach a stage where the given species have no choice between survival and advancement (leaping over from stage of evolution). Without having evolved a mind in the first place, the option of advancement would not even exist, and distinction of the species is the only option of nature.

Perfection is a pretty relative things. What would be perfection for you? To have all of the 10 billions of human beings that we are to be perfectly happy and prosperous? Immortality? Lots of money for everyone?

Its totally illusory  to believe that such a thing as "perfection" can even be achieved when it's not even possible to know what it would actually imply. Civilization doesn't work toward "perfection", it works trough individuals who try to satisfy their own personal needs. I agree that many of them actually want to help out others, but there is no common goal that unite the whole humanity, and to presume that there would ever be, considering the amazing diversity of opinions that we can find in the world is nothing less then delusional.

There will always be suffering and misunderstandings. The only thing we can hope for is that at least, we won't lose the hope to make it better, because even just the hope is a ray of sunshine that all humanity needs. This is one reason (see below for others) why I think immortality would be a disaster for humanity. Because we need the young to bring fresh views and new hopes to the world. Without them, it withers in pervasive cynicism of old ideas. Just look at how young "revolutionizers" like Fidel Castro became old farts who dictate their "ideals" without realizing that the world is still evolving.

Evolution doesn't have a goal, it is just how the species adapt to what the world is trowing at them. Same goes with human civilization, it evolves simply by taking in what happens to the world and by trying to adapt. When it doesn't succeed in doing so, it collapses.

reminds me of the ever unresolved mystery -- why does evolution select against immortality?

Overpopulation. Cancer tumors are cells of our body who want their shot at immortality. We know what that leads to. Death is the only way to keep life possible. Without it, we cannot eat (we feed on living organisms), plants can't get their nutrients (which are mostly obtained from the organic matter of other living beings) and the energy cannot be renewed. Without death, we all die.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Jacelyn on April 24, 2011, 09:20:02 am
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Perfection is a pretty relative things. What would be perfection for you?

By perfection I refer to the biological body. Our greatest obstacles to well-being and happiness are diseases and aging, if these cures are found, then perfection of the biological body can be achieved. Our impetus for biological change (not by evolution's impetus) is for bodily perfection. Thus I said imperfection is impetus for change (or "evolution" as mental impetus is equally biological in the sense the the mind is evolved biologically).

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Civilization doesn't work toward "perfection"

Civilization is equally subject to various interpretation, as long as there is evidence of crime, or motive of war, be it individual level or national level, we are not civilized. An ideal civilization does work toward "perfection" for its communities. We are not there yet, but it is an optimistic goal that we can do it, at least if we can start to think like that ourselves, that will goes a long way than if we are leading the wrong example ourselves.

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I think immortality would be a disaster for humanity. Because we need the young to bring fresh views and new hopes to the world. Without them, it withers in pervasive cynicism of old ideas.

If we don't grow old, we will not show signs of mental decline to need someone to replace us.

The term "immortality" shouldn't be use when speaking of perfection of the human organism, it should be "agelessness" instead, as immortality is not possible with biological stuff we are made of.

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Evolution doesn't have a goal, it is just how the species adapt to what the world is trowing at them. Same goes with human civilization, it evolves simply by taking in what happens to the world and by trying to adapt. When it doesn't succeed in doing so, it collapses.

Just as engineering is about manipulating environment to adapt to conceptual design, thus the difference to some is the ability to manipulating biological stuff rather than adapting to its nature process.

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Overpopulation. Cancer tumors are cells of our body who want their shot at immortality. We know what that leads to. Death is the only way to keep life possible. Without it, we cannot eat (we feed on living organisms), plants can't get their nutrients (which are mostly obtained from the organic matter of other living beings) and the energy cannot be renewed. Without death, we all die.

Mechanism in each species varied greatly, species like carol reef basically does not age, this show there is much room for scientist to explore, to find the cure for aging. Evolution is not a mechanism nor a universal truth, it is a process which are dependent on causes and conditions, and each one of these can be pin-pointed with precision, manipulated and control.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: babykittenful on April 24, 2011, 11:19:54 am
Here by perfection I refer to the biological body only. Our greatest obstacles to well-being and happiness are diseases and aging, if these cures are found, then perfection of the biological body can be achieved. Our impetus for biological change (not by evolution's impetus) is for bodily perfection. Thus I said imperfection is impetus for change (or "evolution" as mental impetus is equally biological in the sense the the mind is evolved biologically).

Our greatest obstacles to well-being and happiness aren't diseases and aging, as you will find that the happiest person on this planet don't care about both of these. True happiness comes from the realization of what you actually have and is something which is very personal to every single person. There are loads of people who are young and healthy, but yet feel incredibly unhappy and depressive. How would you explain to those people that living their shitty lives forever are guaranteed to make them "perfectly" happy and well?

Civilization is equally subject to various interpretation, as long as there is evidence of crime, or motive of war, be it individual level or national level, we are not civilized. An ideal civilization does work toward "perfection" for its communities. We are not there yet, but it is an optimistic goal that we can do it, at least if we can start to think like that ourselves, that will goes a long way than if we are leading the wrong example ourselves.

Unless you find a way to tune the brain of every single person on this planet so that they don't feel any greed or desire for power, you will always have people who will rise to bring war and fear. Don't get me wrong, I really believe that we have some power into making things better. We can chose to help each other and try to make life easier for everyone. But I also believe that there will always be people who will choose not to. There is no such thing as "ideal" world. Wherever you are, there are going to be people who will be unhappy about the system and will seek to change it. The world is in constant motion, it is not still. Ideas collide all the time and sometimes this raise war and sorrow. I don't want to see wars, but I know are part of what being humans means. The goal is not perfection, the goal is balance. The world isn't organized, it just is. An ideal civilization is a civilization that can adapt to whatever happens to allow it to survive, but inside the civilization, there will be individuals who will rise and fall.

The term "immortality" shouldn't be use when speaking of perfection of the human organism, it should be "agelessness" instead, as immortality is not possible with biological stuff we are made of.

You can have a young body and still be an old fart. Do you really think all those left people who turn to the right when they grow older do so because of dementia? Experience in life is as poisonous as a lack thereof. When you grow older, you get encrusted into old ideas and patterns. Unless there are some younger people to get new ideas on the shelve, the collective mind becomes progressively more and more conservative, leading to a lack of adaptability which can only prove fatal to a civilization when the world is changing.

Just as engineering is about manipulating environment to adapt to conceptual design, thus the difference to some is the ability to manipulating biological stuff rather than adapting to its nature process.

If you've ever met anyone who does engineering, you'll see that reality is always very far from what you'll see on paper. Try to think about the ideal bridge. Chances are hight that you will think about a bridge that, once built, will stay there indefinitely and that can be so strong it doesn't need any work done on it. Now, think of that bridge in terms of real life. Is there any material that can withstand everything? A stream can dig a hole trough a mountain if you give it enough time, and to my knowledge, there is no material that can withstand everything. But let's say we do find that material, will that bridge be the perfect bridge we want it to be? What if the river stops flowing under, what do you do then with an indestructible bridge? Or what if, after using it for decades, you realize that it was too small, or too big. When you built it, it really was perfectly suited to its job, but now that the world around it has changed, the bridge is no longer as "perfect" as it was.

The same goes with a civilization. Even if, somehow, you manage to create a civilization that can perfectly accommodate every single of its inhabitants, when the world around the civilization change, so will the civilization have to. And even if you create a biological being that is perfectly suited to its environment (and evolution has already created an incredible amount of highly specialized beings), those biological beings would still have to change if the environment was to, or else they'd simply vanish.  There is no such thing as perfect, there is just "stuff that works for now". And if the "work for now" is enough for you to call perfect, then life as it is now is just as perfect as it can be.

In theory it is possible to shift position, thus achieved the solution we sought. The key here is the knowledge of the existence of agelessness of some cells, which in theory give the possibility to achieve agelessness in human genes.

I gave that example of cancer to illustrate how death is a process that is absolutely essential to the well being of the organism as a whole. The same goes for the ecosystem we live in. If some organisms were to "cheat" death and start living forever, this would quickly lead to a change in the balance that could very well kill the ecosystem along with the "agelessness" organisms. Unless of course your perfect organism doesn't have any bodily need like breathing, keeping a constant body temperature, feeding, having access to medicines, base materials...

I agreed that our food source are biological based, and that the evolution of some plant/animal necessitate living and dying process. But being the top of the food chain, we are entitled to feed on them without ourselves [being necessary forced to] become subject to the chain of evolution (of living and dying).  It would be illogical that on one side we are master of food chain, on the other side, we are slave to chain of evolution (of living and dying). For the time being, we have no choice as we have not attain the stage of mastery over evolution (of living and dying), but it doesn't mean this is what we supposed to be.

Being on top of all of this means that we are utterly dependent on it. So the perfect beings that we are will still be vulnerable if the ecosystem that supports all of it were to collapse.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Jacelyn on April 24, 2011, 08:24:28 pm
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There are loads of people who are young and healthy, but yet feel incredibly unhappy and depressive.

Agreed when speaking of happiness from the point of view of the less mentally cultured. The point is really not about the mental state of happiness, especially not from an unsound mental level. When speaking of happiness from the view of a sound mind (as I did here), one which does not have any issue which are not already within its grasp (with the help of present science), except the disease and aging issues, these if overcome would certainly leave a great mark on the history of human evolution, and for a healthy individual with a sound mental perspective, it will inspired hope (knowing the possibilities that is available to him / her when age is no longer a barrier, one's phase of life need no longer be in a rush, there is room for waiting, for contemplation, without being perceived as the cost of one's precious life) and contentment (an inner calm that arise due to knowing that he / she needs no worry that disease and aging should robe away her beauty and youth, and there can the assurance that effort in self-improvement would not go wasted, unlike when aging and death can take this accumulation to vain). These are very positive outcome and boost the living enthusiasm of society as a whole, as people will not be so self-destructive (which can be harmful to others), when one's biological body is of perfection (life is no longer fragile because of it), this in turn reinforce the mind not to degenerate itself with views that only serve existence for no more than a few decades. As a result, tendencies for suicide, and/ or suicide-based terror will likely be ceased.

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The goal is not perfection, the goal is balance. The world isn't organized, it just is. An ideal civilization is a civilization that can adapt to whatever happens to allow it to survive, but inside the civilization, there will be individuals who will rise and fall.

Perfection starts with the individual, balance is the outcome of the masses. The point is there must be a shift toward perfection as against imperfection, the generation of goodness as against the degeneration of goodness. All these must start in individual level to reach collective mass of accumulation. Survival of the collective mass species start with individual knowledge of harmony based on causality, so that the species know the importance of action and its consequence, so as to be restrained in doing things that could harm other, which indirectly bring negative consequence to him / her. On the contrary, the species understand happiness to oneself is due to seeing other happiness, or by causing happiness in others, one received the same as a positive consequence.

The point is when there is perfection of the body (as against the body as a time-bomb of self-destruction), that fact communicates a message to the individual the need to cherish life, and that happiness is a positive thing to be sought, and that all the negative emotion such as hatred which are cause of harmful motive, are counter-productive to one's happiness.

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When you grow older, you get encrusted into old ideas and patterns.

To one who is all the time driven by his own thought pattern yes. Not a fact to one who sees the face of mind, who actually stay outside of thought, and unconditioned by thought. Thus is all the time abiding in the state of intuition and creativity itself. Old age is no hindrance to such a one, and with a cure to an aging mind, all this (cure) is mere added luxury (a good thing to have but not a necessity in a mental sense).

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And even if you create a biological being that is perfectly suited to its environment (and evolution has already created an incredible amount of highly specialized beings), those biological beings would still have to change if the environment was to, or else they'd simply vanish.  There is no such thing as perfect, there is just "stuff that works for now". And if the "work for now" is enough for you to call perfect, then life as it is now is just as perfect as it can be.

Yes, that's why I would not equate immortality to agelessness, the former is a status of indestructibility even against the decomposition of the elements (the atoms) due to situations such as impact with external elements, the destruction of the environment and so on , that is purely unachievable with a biological body composed of atoms.

Engineering is not about absolute perfection (except for gradual refinement to close to perfection) of the conceptual-design, it is about attaining functionality of the conceptual-design, in this case, refer to using the imperfect biological body as a basis to work to achieve its "ideal functionalities" in the sense of being resistance to aging.

Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: kate durcal on April 24, 2011, 09:10:41 pm
I know of at least two companies in the USA, and 6 abroad who will be marketing in vitro grown organs ad tissues within the next 5 years. They grown the tissues or organs from somatic stems cells that have been genitally engineered with zinc-finger technology. Yes ladies, if you have the monies you will be able to have your own (vagina, uterus, falpian tubes, and ovaries) made from your own cells. Yaya!

As for evolution, the data shows are not only evolving but we are evolving faster than we anticipated.

Love,

Dr Kate
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Kaelleria on April 25, 2011, 12:17:58 am
I'm super skeptical about things like that Kate... Stuff takes a long, long time to get approved. I don't see a procedure like that being approved anytime soon considering those parts have never been grown before.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: kate durcal on April 25, 2011, 02:20:50 pm
I'm super skeptical about things like that Kate... Stuff takes a long, long time to get approved. I don't see a procedure like that being approved anytime soon considering those parts have never been grown before.

Two in vitro grown vaginas have been implanted in cis-females; one in Egypt and the other in Italy. The cutting-edge of biomedical research is fast leaving the good ol USA. That is to my displacesure and angst; but we are beeing overtaken by the the christians inquisitors
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Kaelleria on April 26, 2011, 07:30:54 am
Any chance you can link me some of that information? I'd love to read up a bit more on it.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Smith on January 29, 2012, 09:43:27 am
Hi girl's, although this is old thread, but I've just found a new article, this article can prove that, the technology to make our dream come true is exist now.
Stem-Cell is the solution for MtF will become 100% woman, I love this so much, and I couldn't imagine how much the price to make reality....hihihi  :D
But this is really make me happy, it means a hope, we can pregnant (great, I love this so much), no more hormone regimen, etc.  :-*
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_a_mtf_transsexual_get_pregnant (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_a_mtf_transsexual_get_pregnant)

What do you think Girl's ? :D :D :D
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Steffi on January 29, 2012, 12:36:35 pm
If all the womb/ovary problems were sorted and an MTF were to get pregnant then the size and structure of the pelvis would be a problem.  Womens bodies have room to carry the distended uterus and a large enough pelvic arch to give birth.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: A on January 29, 2012, 12:58:58 pm
SOME of us would probably be okay. The others can give birth through Caesarian section, which isn't uncommon in other women.

As for just carrying the baby, hmm... Don't know, but I doubt that'll be such a big problem...
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: 0451 on January 29, 2012, 01:20:43 pm
The article you are referring to refers to the creation of a vaginal vestibule using existing vaginal mucosal tissue.  Many sufferers of MRKH syndrome still possess mucosal dimples where their vagina should normally be.  As such, a biopsy can be performed to retrieve said tissue, which then can be cultured and used to create a lining for a neovagina.

This is a long way from creating an entire vagina/vulva from scratch using stem cells.  The most promising new SRS method IMHO uses a similar technique using buccal mucosa (mouth cells), which are very similar to vaginal mucosa as opposed to existing vaginal mucosa in the MRKH case, but is similar.  This has only been done a few times with MRKH sufferers, and is not available from any surgeon for trans women.  The Bangkok Gender Clinic did experiment with using buccal transplants in MTF patients, but no longer are doing this I don't think.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Smith on April 13, 2012, 06:05:16 am
here is really good information, quite detail:
http://www.secondtype.info/pregnant.htm (http://www.secondtype.info/pregnant.htm)
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: ~RoadToTrista~ on April 15, 2012, 02:28:45 am
Hasn't a transwoman already given birth with a donor uterus? Just curious because this thread is old and at the begining it says it's never been done before.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: The Passage on April 15, 2012, 03:15:07 am
No... I've accepted myself as a woman who's reproductive parts just don't work (or are not there entirely). So, like those unfortunate women, I plan to adopt. If I were to do this, I would want it to be my own baby -- from my own blood. But I don't see that happening, short of cloning myself and somehow putting that cloned fetus of me inside of my belly... weird. LOL!!

Anyway, yes, I imagine it will be possible someday. Although, maybe not in our life time. :P

Edit:

"Hasn't a transwoman already given birth with a donor uterus? Just curious because this thread is old and at the begining it says it's never been done before."

It has? o.o
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: A on April 15, 2012, 10:17:18 am
If I recall well, a cis woman without an uterus was able to keep an uterus from her mother(?) for a few months, after which she died because the immuno-suppressants weren't being nice on her.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: pasupatidasi on May 09, 2012, 03:54:44 pm
have been fervently researching this for my nine year old affirmed female child.  she has undescended testes which we will remove rather than surgically descend, staving off the need for testosterone blockers too, she also has juvenile polyposis coli syndrome.
the two of these facts taken together mean that usual and past means of vaginoplasty are unavailable to her.
there have indeed been vagina transplants.
there is a way to avoid rejection using a method called microchimera therapy
and there is cheek cell vaginoplasty wherein a person's epithelial tissue is grown around a scaffolding to create a vagina. this has been done many places around the world for women who suffer a rare genetic condition wherein they are born without a vagina. and was done two years ago in thailand as part of a srs procedure.
my daughter does wonder if she could ever have a womb and carry a child. but as she is also a lesbian, she is fine with her wife carrying one, and as an adopted child, she is also way okay with adoption.
just thought i'd weigh in on this one since i've been all over it lately
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: A on May 09, 2012, 04:19:58 pm
You sure have a surprisingly mature and thoughtful child! And all my congratulations to you for treating the issue seriously so soon.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Jean24 on October 17, 2014, 01:42:31 am
i don't think i could tell you one genetic female that enjoys having periods and pms.

Sorry, but this really got to me. Could you think of many mothers that would trade their children for a lifetime of being period and pms free?
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: dnshuford9 on August 01, 2015, 05:51:41 pm
I suggest that you check this out;
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9492020
They are growing vaginal canal and uterus, and grafting them into mice now!  Next step home grown ovaries and eggs!
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Zoetrope on August 01, 2015, 07:03:34 pm
Well I cannot see this happening anytime soon.

When it comes to any kind of experimental transplant surgery, it will only be approved in very special circumstances.

I do not believe this will be permitted electively - and nor do I think it should.

Surgeons are not going to perform a procedure that risks so many complications. Bringing a child into the world by experimental means - in general - is also a big no-no.

Think about the risks for the child. That is an enormous con, to the pro of feeling more validated as a woman. Ethically, it does not weigh up.

Not to mention, that it's probably a bad idea trying to give birth through a male pelvis. It is not designed for the job. You would probably need to have that rebuilt, as well.

*shudder*
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Jean24 on August 03, 2015, 05:38:57 am
I believe transplants are possible but totally impractical. You need a donor and because their tissues don't match yours genetically, it's interpreted as a threat and attacked by the immune system. Some women with AIS develop tiny wombs which are usable, as seen here http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2933979/I-born-no-womb-ve-given-birth-twins-says-mother-feared-no-man-want-me.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2933979/I-born-no-womb-ve-given-birth-twins-says-mother-feared-no-man-want-me.html). The human genome has been almost completely mapped and we know which of them control gender. Regenerative medicine involving stem cells has been effective in trials. My point is that we are so close to being completely functional. All of these wonderful techniques can come together and help us - our number one problem is the way healthcare is viewed and undervalued, followed by the social stigma surrounding the trans community. If we are able to change those views, there will be a procedure to grant us fertility in 5 years.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: RoseH on August 03, 2015, 07:26:43 am
This is a very interesting topic.
Personally, I think I'm coming to terms with the fact that I can't bear a child.
I would like to have a biological child with my boyfriend, however, but I have not had any sperm frozen before I started HRT.

I have read a bit about artificially combining DNA from two parents and having a surrogate carry the fetus. Is it possible that we would maybe see this lab-helped means of becoming biological parents sooner than transplanted ovaries?
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Laura_7 on August 03, 2015, 07:56:12 am
You can find one experience from a mtf person concerning children after hrt here:
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,183837.msg1645823.html#msg1645823


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Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: iKate on August 03, 2015, 08:02:05 am
It will happen but probably 50 years from now.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Laura_7 on August 03, 2015, 08:03:52 am
It will happen but probably 50 years from now.

Thats what people said about gay marriage, too  :)


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Title: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: iKate on August 03, 2015, 08:08:30 am
Thats what people said about gay marriage, too  :)


hugs

Hey I sincerely hope that it's sooner!

Actually one of the first few attempts at MTF surgery way back when involved transplanting a uterus and the person died.

But having been to fertility clinics and involved in assisted reproduction as a patient, I believe that a full female reproductive system for a MTF is not only possible but a lot easier than people think. You basically can mimic the whole hormonal cycle with injections and kick start the body into pregnancy. It's routinely done. Stem cells can be used to make all sorts of things these days. I think it's only a matter of time before it's used to make a uterus and ovaries.

The biggest barriers I see are people who oppose it because it's "playing God" or some other nonsense. In reality they don't want to legitimize us as real and this would certainly do it.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Promethea on August 03, 2015, 09:12:44 am
Wow, this is an interesting thread. I only read the first couple of pages, so sorry if this has already been mentioned, but from the last few posts it doesn't seem so.

This, or some of it, will be done much sooner than 50 years. I read a year or two ago that, in Sweden, they successfully transplanted a uterus into a cis woman who didn't have hers (I forgot if she had had it removed or if she was born without it). She did give birth to a healthy child and was considering having another baby before having the uterus removed. The plan was to remove it after she was done having children so she wouldn't have to be taking medicine to prevent rejection of the uterus for life. That was probably not the only case, and apparently there was one case in the US too.

It's only a matter of time before they do it with trans women, specially in a country like Sweden. Of course, it wouldn't be with out eggs, but that's also a matter of time.

I read that, separate from the above, there's research being done about removing the nucleus from an egg and replace it with the nucleus from a sperm. I read it longer ago, but I think the first experiments were successful, but I don't remember if they were using human cells yet. If they were they didn't implant the embryos at that time yet, we would have heard more about it, but they're getting there.

Sure, it's not the whole uterus, tubes and ovaries transplant, it will take more medical involvement, but it will bring us really close.

I'm moving to Sweden next year, and I'll do everything I can to find out what they are doing now and get involved, I'd get a uterus transplant once I have a partner and we're ready to have children.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: iKate on August 03, 2015, 10:42:42 am
You'd have to find a suitable donor. I would rather have them grow it from stem cells.

There is another story about a woman who had some hormonal problem, never grew ovaries or a uterus then through extensive hormone therapy grew them and was able to give birth. Our mullerian ducts are long gone but I am thinking that research into stem cells could make this possible.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: KristinaM on August 03, 2015, 03:51:39 pm
I read that, separate from the above, there's research being done about removing the nucleus from an egg and replace it with the nucleus from a sperm. I read it longer ago, but I think the first experiments were successful, but I don't remember if they were using human cells yet. If they were they didn't implant the embryos at that time yet, we would have heard more about it, but they're getting there.

I remember hearing about this too several years ago.  Basically taking an egg and blanking it out, then combining two sperms to "fertilize" it.  I don't know if it ever went to human trials or not either though.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: iKate on August 03, 2015, 04:08:48 pm
This is a very interesting topic.
Personally, I think I'm coming to terms with the fact that I can't bear a child.
I would like to have a biological child with my boyfriend, however, but I have not had any sperm frozen before I started HRT.

I have read a bit about artificially combining DNA from two parents and having a surrogate carry the fetus. Is it possible that we would maybe see this lab-helped means of becoming biological parents sooner than transplanted ovaries?

They're actually doing this now in the UK (only place where it is legal) but as usual people are crying against it because it will allow three parent babies and lesbians to have children which share their genes. The reasons they cite are that it would impair the "emotional health" of the child, which is nonsense because people conceive from donor eggs that have none of their own DNA, and the kids are just fine.

Anyway in this procedure they basically take the mitochondria from a donor and put it in the egg to replace the defective one which carries diseases such as diabetes. Sadly the US FDA banned it after three kids were born. No doubt under pressure, even though they cited "safety" concerns (yet a natural pregnancy with defective genes is OK?).
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Rejennyrated on August 03, 2015, 04:14:06 pm
A long time ago in a galaxy far far away (mid 1980's uk) there was a project looking at possible ways to generate a trans pregnancy - but sadly it lost its funding and so never happened.

Which is a shame because a certain young British girl that I know rather well was very interested in becoming the guinea-pig... A fact that a certain tabloid newspaper in the UK then discovered with the result that a headline screamed "Sex change Jenny wants baby" (... and research being carried out at a British University may soon make this possible... ) This was not my finest hour I fear, and with several long lens wielding paperazzi chasing me about the small market town where I then lived, I more or less went into hiding for several weeks...

So this isn't a new idea - and indeed its one with which I have much personal history.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Promethea on August 03, 2015, 05:12:09 pm
people are crying against it because it will allow (...) lesbians to have children which share their genes.

Heh, you just reminded me of this:

(http://smbc-comics.com/comics/20071002.gif)

They didn't say whose safety it was that worried them.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: RoseH on August 04, 2015, 03:23:18 am
They're actually doing this now in the UK (only place where it is legal) but as usual people are crying against it because it will allow three parent babies and lesbians to have children which share their genes. The reasons they cite are that it would impair the "emotional health" of the child, which is nonsense because people conceive from donor eggs that have none of their own DNA, and the kids are just fine.

Anyway in this procedure they basically take the mitochondria from a donor and put it in the egg to replace the defective one which carries diseases such as diabetes. Sadly the US FDA banned it after three kids were born. No doubt under pressure, even though they cited "safety" concerns (yet a natural pregnancy with defective genes is OK?).

Yay! Thank you for the reply. I live in Denmark, so this is great news for me.
I'm sure this will be allowed in more European countries in a matter of years, which will probably but a pressure on the US FDA to also allow this practice once again.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: iKate on August 04, 2015, 05:15:21 am

Yay! Thank you for the reply. I live in Denmark, so this is great news for me.
I'm sure this will be allowed in more European countries in a matter of years, which will probably but a pressure on the US FDA to also allow this practice once again.

Don't get too excited though. All they use is the mitochondrial DNA and they take it from a donor egg not sperm. This means the child won't have your physical characteristics if such a DNA swap were made. It's not legal to swap any other genes. They fear people will make "designer babies."

But this does show promise in the future. However as I said, "ethics" issues are the biggest hurdle.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: RoseH on August 04, 2015, 06:46:23 am
Don't get too excited though. All they use is the mitochondrial DNA and they take it from a donor egg not sperm. This means the child won't have your physical characteristics if such a DNA swap were made. It's not legal to swap any other genes. They fear people will make "designer babies."

But this does show promise in the future. However as I said, "ethics" issues are the biggest hurdle.

After your initial reply I actually tried to look into the subject again. This time I searched for the possibilities of gay partners both being biological fathers (unrelated, though not entirely since that is another scenario where a baby would not be conceived by traditional sex).
Over the recent years there has been made a huge process in the science of stem cells, and now they can create sperm and eggs at a progenitor cell state from stem cells. It's all very exciting. As someone who won't be thinking about having kids for another decade, it looks like there's hope for me being a biological parent.

Here is one of the articles: http://europe.newsweek.com/biological-babies-same-sex-parents-possibility-after-stem-cell-breakthrough-309453 (http://europe.newsweek.com/biological-babies-same-sex-parents-possibility-after-stem-cell-breakthrough-309453)
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: iKate on August 04, 2015, 07:28:04 am

After your initial reply I actually tried to look into the subject again. This time I searched for the possibilities of gay partners both being biological fathers (unrelated, though not entirely since that is another scenario where a baby would not be conceived by traditional sex).
Over the recent years there has been made a huge process in the science of stem cells, and now they can create sperm and eggs at a progenitor cell state from stem cells. It's all very exciting. As someone who won't be thinking about having kids for another decade, it looks like there's hope for me being a biological parent.

Here is one of the articles: http://europe.newsweek.com/biological-babies-same-sex-parents-possibility-after-stem-cell-breakthrough-309453 (http://europe.newsweek.com/biological-babies-same-sex-parents-possibility-after-stem-cell-breakthrough-309453)

Oh I have no doubt that the science will be there. However there will be issues of "ethics" and laws and that unfortunately is left in the hands of politicians and not scientists.

I would say plan on adoption just in case.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: RoseH on August 04, 2015, 08:30:41 am
Oh I have no doubt that the science will be there. However there will be issues of "ethics" and laws and that unfortunately is left in the hands of politicians and not scientists.

I would say plan on adoption just in case.
Yes, it is incredibly hard to predict how fast the ethics will change. I have seen fast changes in Europe though.
As of last September Danish citizens are allowed to change their legal gender without SRS or other surgical/medical treatment. Starting on hormones is an incredibly hard process though, but I was fortunate enough to live in Barcelona for 8 months where I started HRT immediately. I can only imagine this process will transmit to other issues.

I understand that the ethics and laws regarding assisted reproduction is far more complex though, but I do have hope for the future. With the increased focus on and general interest in trans* individuals we have a gateway to increase visibility on trans* issues  :) I might be naive in believing that this will happen within a decade or two though. Time will tell.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Harukahime on August 04, 2015, 08:41:37 am
People on this thread said around 20 years. Only 3 have passed and now we have this~!  ;D
To be honest, I'm excited. Give some more 10 years. We might be just there.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: noleen111 on August 05, 2015, 09:53:53 am
This is an interesting topic. It is something that makes me sad, that I cant give my man a baby.

I am holding thumbs.. as I would get this done in a heartbeat. Then my man can get me pregnant.

A girl can dream. ;D
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: iKate on August 05, 2015, 10:22:59 am
Based on my experience with fertility clinics, if you're over 35 the chances decrease rapidly. So if you're 25 now you better hope this happens in 10 years, and be willing to be a guinea pig. Might involve some travel and medical tourism too.

However it does not rule out older women. I saw women in their 50s trying to conceive. Some had to use donor eggs though. But that will be pretty much a given in this case.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Jean24 on August 06, 2015, 02:45:46 am
Based on my experience with fertility clinics, if you're over 35 the chances decrease rapidly. So if you're 25 now you better hope this happens in 10 years, and be willing to be a guinea pig. Might involve some travel and medical tourism too.

However it does not rule out older women. I saw women in their 50s trying to conceive. Some had to use donor eggs though. But that will be pretty much a given in this case.

I'm not too worried about menopause if that's what you're referring to. Fertility is a huge deal and I actually expect that to be resolved before we have any kind of permanent transplants or cloning of parts.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: iKate on August 06, 2015, 04:44:05 am

I'm not too worried about menopause if that's what you're referring to. Fertility is a huge deal and I actually expect that to be resolved before we have any kind of permanent transplants or cloning of parts.

It's not really menopause, it's just that after 35 it gets harder to conceive.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Jean24 on August 06, 2015, 05:13:29 am
It's not really menopause, it's just that after 35 it gets harder to conceive.

In what way?
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Rebekka on May 26, 2016, 09:37:37 am
i know that my post is resurrecting an old topic, but as much as i would love to have 'real woman parts' on the inside, im equally interested in having a (more) female pelvis. IMO the pelvis is as important, if not more so, than vaginal ducting and uterus and ovaries and other fiddly bits, because it is structural, and also visible. A womans pelvis and hip width (and all that would derive from it, such as the size of her rear end, the sway of her gait, ect ect) is there for the world to see.... Her internal parts ? no so much. (not to get too graphic, but even her nether-folds are largely hidden from view in normal movement, nevermind under clothes.)

Therefore, the way i see it, getting a more female pelvis developed first, would go a very Very LoOong way in helping us trans women in numerous ways (including, serving as a more proper 'seat' for said squishy internal 'real woman parts' later on, anatomically speaking.)
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: noleen111 on May 27, 2016, 09:57:00 am
i know that my post is resurrecting an old topic, but as much as i would love to have 'real woman parts' on the inside, im equally interested in having a (more) female pelvis. IMO the pelvis is as important, if not more so, than vaginal ducting and uterus and ovaries and other fiddly bits, because it is structural, and also visible. A womans pelvis and hip width (and all that would derive from it, such as the size of her rear end, the sway of her gait, ect ect) is there for the world to see.... Her internal parts ? no so much. (not to get too graphic, but even her nether-folds are largely hidden from view in normal movement, nevermind under clothes.)

Therefore, the way i see it, getting a more female pelvis developed first, would go a very Very LoOong way in helping us trans women in numerous ways (including, serving as a more proper 'seat' for said squishy internal 'real woman parts' later on, anatomically speaking.)

I know how you feel girl... I would also love all the internal female parts as well. Yes It would mean I would have periods.. but I think its worth it.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Serenahikaru on May 27, 2016, 10:52:54 am
I know how you feel girl... I would also love all the internal female parts as well. Yes It would mean I would have periods.. but I think its worth it.

I've always thought periods would be more than worth it to have proper internal parts and structure.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: KayXo on May 30, 2016, 02:29:22 pm
I don't care much for periods, PMS or a uterus, fallopian tubes, etc but a wider pelvis, YES, most definitely.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Paige on May 30, 2016, 03:59:12 pm
I've always thought periods would be more than worth it to have proper internal parts and structure.

Hi Serena,  I'm with you 100%, I would love to have all the working parts.

Paige:)
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: veritatemfurto on May 30, 2016, 07:09:21 pm
i know that my post is resurrecting an old topic, but as much as i would love to have 'real woman parts' on the inside, im equally interested in having a (more) female pelvis. IMO the pelvis is as important, if not more so, than vaginal ducting and uterus and ovaries and other fiddly bits, because it is structural, and also visible. A womans pelvis and hip width (and all that would derive from it, such as the size of her rear end, the sway of her gait, ect ect) is there for the world to see.... Her internal parts ? no so much. (not to get too graphic, but even her nether-folds are largely hidden from view in normal movement, nevermind under clothes.)

Therefore, the way i see it, getting a more female pelvis developed first, would go a very Very LoOong way in helping us trans women in numerous ways (including, serving as a more proper 'seat' for said squishy internal 'real woman parts' later on, anatomically speaking.)

feminine pelvic bones are already achievable. that's why it is/was so important to most of us to start as young as possible since puberty sets all that in place and the older you are, the harder it is to change a calcified secondary sexual characteristic. I've heard of a few cases where people even pay to have their bones broken to change the size and shape but that's quite extreme like the Barbie lady or reptoid man.  Most of the differences you noted are actually having to do with fat distribution and muscle tone, instead of the bones... The plumbing issue is completely different with it being a primary system, requiring lots of connections including into some vital arteries.


Hi Serena,  I'm with you 100%, I would love to have all the working parts.

Paige:)

Trust me, you DON'T want to be leaking blood from you vag all the time... It stinks, and can ruin clothes if the pad moves out of place. Besides, it's apparently a common occurrence to be leaking/spotting some blood for upwards of two years after getting GRS due to the stretching and finding weak spots in the skin from dilating.  (think: can't see through tights at rest, but pull on them and you start to see through) nevermind the cramps part.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: AbiDrew on May 30, 2016, 07:42:18 pm
Trust me, you DON'T want to be leaking blood from you vag all the time... It stinks, and can ruin clothes if the pad moves out of place. Besides, it's apparently a common occurrence to be leaking/spotting some blood for upwards of two years after getting GRS due to the stretching and finding weak spots in the skin from dilating.  (think: can't see through tights at rest, but pull on them and you start to see through) nevermind the cramps part.

You're right, I don't REALLY want that aspect of having the right bits...  But it's the price to pay for the OTHER aspects of having the right bits.  Especially the getting pregnant and carrying my own baby part.  Personally, I'm more than willing to accept the price paid, if I could just pay it.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Jean24 on August 25, 2016, 02:38:54 am
I thought I would post something new. I was reading the other day and apparently Stanford has found a way to engineer immune systems to mimic a donor's. This is huge, it means that we can potentially get an entire female reproductive system transplanted and with a bit of the donor's blood combined with stem cell tech, our immune system will not attack it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/08/10/hope-of-cure-for-arthritis-ms-and-diabetes-as-stanford-makes-ste/

Also scientists at Northwestern University fixed a mouse and used her stem cells and a 3D bioprinter to make new ovaries. They produced hormones and she even had healthy babies.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/janetwburns/2016/04/07/scientists-at-northwestern-restore-fertility-in-mice-with-3d-printed-ovary/#7825d9003416

The tech is out there. The new CRISPR CAS9 gene editing system holds great promise in being able to switch the right genes on and off to make a genetic sex change possible. That's pretty much the last obstacle and it's right around the corner.

The real challenge that lies ahead is getting access to it and other healthcare. Those who have been after our transition and recommend conversion therapy instead will launch a campaign to ensure we have as much difficulty as possible getting our treatment. We need to fight this by voting.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: spx_1112 on August 25, 2016, 08:18:07 am
Wow. Hugs Shannon
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: ~Carmen on August 25, 2016, 10:15:07 am
I'd love if I could have female organs
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Xirafel on August 26, 2016, 07:44:00 pm
I thought I would post something new. I was reading the other day and apparently Stanford has found a way to engineer immune systems to mimic a donor's. This is huge, it means that we can potentially get an entire female reproductive system transplanted and with a bit of the donor's blood combined with stem cell tech, our immune system will not attack it.
Is there a catch? I'm wary of new technologies. There are claims of new technologies being able to do this or that all the time.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Dena on August 26, 2016, 07:51:11 pm
Is there a catch? I'm wary of new technologies. There are claims of new technologies being able to do this or that all the time.
Much of the time it's 10 to 20 years from the time they see it in the lab until we can use it. That is except for nuclear fusion which they have been telling us we will have in 20 years since I was a child.
Title: Re: Implant ovaries, Fallopian tube and uterus for transgender woman
Post by: Jean24 on August 27, 2016, 02:39:29 am
Is there a catch? I'm wary of new technologies. There are claims of new technologies being able to do this or that all the time.

Yeah so there's a few things:

1. The transplants will likely come before the regenerative medicine hits the shelves so to speak.
2. There's going to be a ton of red tape around all of it because it's new and scary.
3. Seeing as much of the world views us as utterly insane for wanting to be the correct sex, there's going to be a debate on how "ethical" it is to treat our medical problems with any of this while they readily treat everyone else.
4. Stem cells can cause tumors if they aren't programmed to stop and tampering with genetics can lead to cancers.

Those come right to mind, I'm sure there's more. What kills me is that this is essentially available right now and personally I'd much rather try transplants or regenerative medicine than SRS.