From a post by u/sopcol:
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Korean Biomedical Review: 'Pelvic beauty' becomes achievable, Harvard professor says (http://www.koreabiomed.com/news/articleView.html?idxno=1649)
Biomedical Review/by Constance Williams 10/2018
Gender Analysis: A new plastic surgery technique for hip widening (https://genderanalysis.net/2018/02/a-new-plastic-surgery-technique-for-hip-widening/)
Keypoints:
Implants are used to extend the hips.
Launches for clinical use in March.
Currently a large waiting list to be the first patiant.
Surgery takes less than an hour, can be discharged in after 2 hours and can walk and run immediatly after, but no swimming or baths for a week
The cost for the implant is $4,500, and hospital fee is $10,000, including anesthesia and other supplies.
From the Korean Biomedical Review article:
To widen the pelvic bone, Wu started the process with a 3D printer to create the "pelvic osteoplasty" – the first skeletal aesthetic technique used to create a customized hourglass figure. Small incisions will be made on the lower back (posterior superior iliac spine) to hide the scars with clothes, undermining the muscles to create a tunnel for the implant. The implants will be drilled with 3.5-mm cancellous screw fixations onto the surface of the iliac crest- the curved ridge at the top of the pelvic bone.
"We call this the Minimal Invasive Plate Osteosynthesis (MIPO) to extend the pelvic width," Wu said. "The only incision we must be careful is to avoid the superior cluneal nerves."
Asked if the procedure is available to the public at the moment, Wu confirmed that it is still experimental. "Our commercialized implant is almost ready for the clinical use, and the review of the regulations is done. We will officially launch the procedure next March, and we have a waiting list for a lot of patients willing to be the first subject," he said.
Wu noted that one of the good indications for this technique is the male-to-female transgender who have the desire to have a female figure, but his ideal target market is for anyone who wants an ideal hip/waist ratio.
The procedure takes less than an hour under general anesthesia, and patients can be discharged after a few hours. Side effects of this surgery would be minor common surgical complications, including pain, infection, loosing of the implant and minimal decrease of the sensation of surgical site which usually recovers. The cost for the implant is $4,500, and hospital fee is $10,000, including anesthesia and other supplies.
"After surgery, you can immediately walk, or even run," Wu said. "But we advise staying away from the water by avoiding swimming or taking baths for a week. Patients don't even need to worry about pregnancy affected by the procedure."
For real?? Who on earth would want to do that? Hrt does a good job adding to your hips. I think some procedures are necessary for some transwomen but I think they are taking it a little too far.
Quote from: Julia1996 on February 01, 2018, 08:39:04 AM
For real?? Who on earth would want to do that? Hrt does a good job adding to your hips. I think some procedures are necessary for some transwomen but I think they are taking it a little too far.
Hi Julia,
I think what you're saying about HRT doing a good job on your hips is more likely with woman who start HRT young like you. I don't believe the bones after the age of 25 respond to HRT. I'm guessing your bone structure has been altered by HRT. Granted fat distribution alone will help many transgender women but many seem unsatisfied by their hips.
I can see why someone would try this. It sounds way safer than putting silicone in your butt.
Take care,
Paige :)
Oh wow, I'm gonna put this on my list of crazy-ass surgeries, along with shoulder reductions. I understand body dysphoria, but mounting hunks of metal of the outer edges of your hips seems a little insane.
Tempting, but looks like this is going to make airports even more of a hassle.
Heck, they keep this up and all you'll have to do is lay on a 3D printer while the tech erases what you original had and programs a rebuild.
Think I'll wait for an alien abduction. Heard there's someone on this site from the planet Pandora :)
Or God forbid if I need a hip replacement I'll ask for the Trans Model :)
Drilling and mounting permanent metal screws into my pelvis bones?
Pass.
Quote from: Janes Groove on February 01, 2018, 06:28:30 PM
Drilling and mounting permanent metal screws into my pelvis bones?
Pass.
I have a titanium hip replacement which is screwed in place. I had arthritis so bad the femur was almost about to grind through the hip bone. I needed it to be able to walk again. It works just fine.
Quote from: Paige on February 01, 2018, 10:41:45 AM
Hi Julia,
I think what you're saying about HRT doing a good job on your hips is more likely with woman who start HRT young like you. I don't believe the bones after the age of 25 respond to HRT. I'm guessing your bone structure has been altered by HRT. Granted fat distribution alone will help many transgender women but many seem unsatisfied by their hips.
I can see why someone would try this. It sounds way safer than putting silicone in your butt.
Take care,
Paige :)
Exactly! However with that said. I wouldn't recommend this to anyone. No need becoming a guinea pig for dr. Frankenstein. Wait for 1,000 successful stories and 5 years of testing and then maybe.
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That sounds like an incredible recovery time. Even minor implants seem to be more debilitating, and this is bonescrew surgery? I don't quite believe you could run after being discharged, lol. It wouldn't be advisable, surely.
Quote from: Cassi on February 01, 2018, 06:19:48 PM
Heck, they keep this up and all you'll have to do is lay on a 3D printer while the tech erases what you original had and programs a rebuild.
Think I'll wait for an alien abduction. Heard there's someone on this site from the planet Pandora :)
Or God forbid if I need a hip replacement I'll ask for the Trans Model :)
well i always called myself the bionic woman lmfao
Quote from: TinaVane on February 09, 2018, 04:41:30 PM
well i always called myself the bionic woman lmfao
Howdy Jamie Sommers!!!!!
Honestly, doesn't sound that extreme. Plenty of women, cis and trans, go for stuff like butt implants. The only real difference here is that its mounted so its probably far less complications with sliding around or potential injuries. Certainly many people have grafts. I mean, also a lot of us go in to have our face peeled back and bones ground down as a standard procedure, this seems lightweight in comparison.
Provided that the implants are titanium, osseointegration should eventually occur. This means that if all goes well they will in effect fuse to the bone. I expect that the screws are there just to ensure there is no movement until this happens.
I really like Korea, and admire the courage with which they explore the bounds of cosmetic and other medicine. That said, I myself would not want to undergo this procedure. Once proven, it may be a boon for people whose hip width really bothers them, but I personally hate even the thought of having anything artificial implanted into me.
(Modified for grammar.)
Ceramic coated iron costs less than titanium, and I can think of a fun game with magnets.
Quote from: Kendra on February 10, 2018, 02:54:54 AM
Ceramic coated iron costs less than titanium, and I can think of a fun game with magnets.
Besides that, the number of metal detector you can set off at security check points.
As long as I don't get rheumatism, due to having a metal object in my body, like I hear some coworkers agonize when the weather shifts to more humid climates.
A Human Weather Vane.
Quote from: Dena on February 10, 2018, 09:00:54 AM
Besides that, the number of metal detector you can set off at security check points.
I have been through several metal detectors at airports since getting my titanium hip implant five years ago.
Yes, I do set off the metal detectors, but I just tell the security people that I have a hip implant and they pat me down and I am good to go.
Not any problem at all.
Medically speaking, this looks to be safe for the long term. Let's hope the trials and success rates go really well! :)
Quote from: Kendra on February 10, 2018, 02:54:54 AM
Ceramic coated iron costs less than titanium, and I can think of a fun game with magnets.
Bone only accepts Titanium as a permanent implant, it even tries to grow around it and absorb it! Everything else will loosen up much faster.
I think this is a good option for those trans who have narrow hips.
Quote from: amandam on July 29, 2018, 11:44:56 AM
I think this is a good option for those trans who have narrow hips.
Agreed. Providing its fairly safe I can totally see why trans or cis women would be interested.
Fat transfer to the hips tends to sit better if someone already had wide hips.
For a dramatic change its implants. Adding a couple of inches to the hips does incredible things to feminize one's shape. It may not be everyone's preferred look however wide hips is always seen as very female.
I would definitely consider this 10 years down the line if it's widely done in the States. Butt implants have given arise to some amazing bodies and this is probably long term going to be a new edition.
South Korea always pushing the boundaries.
Quote from: Alexa Ares on September 26, 2018, 06:45:42 AM
Agreed. Providing its fairly safe I can totally see why trans or cis women would be interested.
Fat transfer to the hips tends to sit better if someone already had wide hips.
For a dramatic change its implants. Adding a couple of inches to the hips does incredible things to feminize one's shape. It may not be everyone's preferred look however wide hips is always seen as very female.
I would definitely consider this 10 years down the line if it's widely done in the States. Butt implants have given arise to some amazing bodies and this is probably long term going to be a new edition.
South Korea always pushing the boundaries.
Absolutely. If this is safe then I think it's a great option for people. I know I would love wide hips to feminise my figure.
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I would personally sign up today if it was possible :D
A test for a rare titanium allergy would be see if you can handle a dental implant made out of titanium.
Compared to all of the other trans related surgeries I have had, this would be a small thing. I'd do it.
I'd think about it only because I have a bad hip already.
Quote from: Maid Marion on September 26, 2018, 07:14:12 AM
A test for a rare titanium allergy would be see if you can handle a dental implant made out of titanium.
Yeah that makes sense as a test. Let's see how this operation goes over the next few years. If the top US surgeons start doing it, that's a sign its safe. If they don't, it's probably one of those has significant risks... Like voice work is.
say this a few days ago http://ostymeditech.com/ and like the contact address is in the usa..honsetly count me in...
Ok, I'm officially watching this like a hawk...
Quote from: Veronica A on September 27, 2018, 04:59:16 AM
say this a few days ago http://ostymeditech.com/ and like the contact address is in the usa..honsetly count me in...
Hi Veronica,
I wonder how much this procedure costs. It looks very interesting. I would like to some real before and after pictures.
Thanks for the link.
Paige :)
Quote from: Paige on September 27, 2018, 01:59:18 PM
Hi Veronica,
I wonder how much this procedure costs. It looks very interesting. I would like to some real before and after pictures.
Thanks for the link.
Paige :)
Same, tho the reality of me affording this...
Quote from: MollyPants on September 26, 2018, 06:55:55 AM
Absolutely. If this is safe then I think it's a great option for people. I know I would love wide hips to feminise my figure.
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Lots of Us would! We are in the era of Curvy. Be it small and curvy, muscle and curves or big and curves. Hips give the hourglass, or bubble butt.
Is this procedure similar to "limb lengthening" surgeries or how the procedures are done to increase the length/width?
From what I can see, its a graft onto the hip bone which adds significant width. They say its completely safe, of course take this with a pinch of salt! As Maid Marion rightly says theres a issue with if the body will tolerate the metal, and of course, other complications we have not yet foreseen......Hips is a difficult area to operate on....would not be like leg bone lengthening, which is a dangerous enough thing, but not as dangerous as the idea of trying to do that bone lengthening to the hips (I struggle to see how it could be done to the hips?)
As they also say lipo, bbl, and butt implants don't do much for shape (trust me, they do!.....case in point is look at Nikki Minaj circa 2008, and today. She looks amazing, of course some of this will be surgery)
Hopefully this will prove safe, and will add to the arsenal of surgical options for the aspiring Bombshell xx
Quote from: Dena on February 10, 2018, 09:00:54 AM
Besides that, the number of metal detector you can set off at security check points.
Perhaps my stents are too small to set off metal detectors. However, The material use for this would have to be non-magnetic and some form of either titanium or stainless so you wouldn't be torn apart by an MRI.
My old bones have been fixed in place for years now and at my age, HRT has limited effects. If Kaiser will cover it for me, count me in.
A quick look at the "before and after" depictions shows a lot more than hip widening going on. :-\
Always do your own thinking, don't let an animator do it for you.
Quote from: Devlyn on October 02, 2018, 09:30:08 AM
A quick look at the "before and after" depictions shows a lot more than hip widening going on. :-\
Always do your own thinking, don't let an animator do it for you.
Oh, absolutely. I finally broke down and looked at this. Yeah...
The procedure places a titanium cap atop and slightly out on the major curve of the hip bones.
On the other hand... The CGI animations and stills show magical shrinkage of the circumference of the lowest ribs, thickening of the thighs favoring the outside portions, reduction of waist size, and a few other changes. I cannot find an explanation as to how these metal caps can produce such wide ranging changes at so many sites.
I bet if pressed that they will say those images represent changes from the titanium caps plus various other services offered by the surgeons; implants, rib removal/fracturing, liposuction, abdominoplasty...
Quote from: Michelle_P on October 02, 2018, 10:14:42 AM
Oh, absolutely. I finally broke down and looked at this. Yeah...
The procedure places a titanium cap atop and slightly out on the major curve of the hip bones.
On the other hand... The CGI animations and stills show magical shrinkage of the circumference of the lowest ribs, thickening of the thighs favoring the outside portions, reduction of waist size, and a few other changes. I cannot find an explanation as to how these metal caps can produce such wide ranging changes at so many sites.
I bet if pressed that they will say those images represent changes from the titanium caps plus various other services offered by the surgeons; implants, rib removal/fracturing, liposuction, abdominoplasty...
Yes, as much as I hate too, I would have to agree. And I didn't even knowing that people are getting rib removal/fracturing or abdominoplasty. And what about the thighs and butt below the hip bones? If you are not already well endowed in these areas, It could end up making you look worse. We all hope for that easy magical procedure that will make us beautiful and passable but the reality is, it's still going to take all the painful procedures we must go through, and we still may not be all that happy with those results. Ok! Well, back to hoping for an alien abduction. Darn, I was so hoping.
I watched the video/animation and it seems entirely different from "limb lengthening" surgery.
This procedure doesn't actually increase the hip's width, the titanium do the job i'm assuming and they're supposed to stay in place?
Wouldn't they have to be changed every now and then?
But I mean other than that.... I just like how it refers to the "hourglass shape"
I hate my shape...
This procedure is more akin the surgeries the dentist does to straightened a severe overbite that braces alone may not correct. In this procedure the upper jawbone is cut and reset. Usually a few screws are used and a retainer is worn for several months to a year afterwards. With the pelvic bones, more permanent hardware is needed due to more stresses put on this structure. Remember, it keeps you upright when you walk.
Joelene
I don't think messing around with the structure of the pelvis itself would be safe, as was just mentioned, you use that to walk/run. As I understand it, it's just using the mass/size of the implant itself to add the overall width.
I received the following reply:
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Hello Kendra
We are in the stage of waiting for the approval by the KFDA. We have the devices ready to be used in clinical trial.
KFDA regulation will be approved in approximately 3 months from now. Once the approval is done in S.Korea, pelvic Plasty will be available in 2019 spring in S.Korea only.
The surgery will be available in U.S after FDA regulation approval.
Price of the surgery will be estimated as $14,000 in S.Korea.
(Estimated time for hospitalization is less than a week and you can immediately walk. There will be no limitations except wound care)
Dr Won is currently residing in S.Korea and if the patient is willing to travel, the surgery will be done in Konyang University Hospital.
If you are interested in the email/waitlist, please let us know your name and email. We will update on the waitlist information once the regulation is approved.
Thank you for contacting us, and if you have further questions feel free to contact us.
Osty Meditech
Alex Y
Quote from: Kendra on October 11, 2018, 07:39:54 PM
I received the following reply:
>
Hello Kendra
We are in the stage of waiting for the approval by the KFDA. We have the devices ready to be used in clinical trial.
KFDA regulation will be approved in approximately 3 months from now. Once the approval is done in S.Korea, pelvic Plasty will be available in 2019 spring in S.Korea only.
The surgery will be available in U.S after FDA regulation approval.
Price of the surgery will be estimated as $14,000 in S.Korea.
(Estimated time for hospitalization is less than a week and you can immediately walk. There will be no limitations except wound care)
Dr Won is currently residing in S.Korea and if the patient is willing to travel, the surgery will be done in Konyang University Hospital.
If you are interested in the email/waitlist, please let us know your name and email. We will update on the waitlist information once the regulation is approved.
Thank you for contacting us, and if you have further questions feel free to contact us.
Osty Meditech
Alex Y
!! Thank you Kendra!! This is going on my surgery list.
Quote from: Julia1996 on February 01, 2018, 08:39:04 AM
For real?? Who on earth would want to do that? Hrt does a good job adding to your hips. I think some procedures are necessary for some transwomen but I think they are taking it a little too far.
Hormone therapy MAY widen hips, but that's not a given. Generally, the chances are better if the therapy begins at a young age, but in all cases of off-label hormone therapy the results with any particular patients are specific to the individual and not to be regarded as a barometer of overall efficacy. In other words, "your mileage may vary".
That said, plastic surgeons have been using cohesive gel implants to modify hip shape and width for years. If this is of interest to anyone, the surgery is readily available and generally a bit cheaper than that described in this post. And screws not required.
I know that it is very difficult but I hope that an complete augmentation of the pelvis too match the size of an cis female pelvis will also be possible in the future. Correct me if I'm wrong but having a pelvis that is big enough to push a baby's head through would probably also mean less and easier dilating and better sex reassignment surgeries because there would be more space for the Surgeons to work with.
Hearing that Doctors at least work in his field for transgender patients gives me hope. Maybe advancements in medical 3D printing would make this possible. There are already cheap 3D printed bone replacements out of hydroxylapatit in development that will guide new bone growth (Google it if you're interested). So there would be no need for any titanium implants or screws. It would be all natural after everything is healed.
Hmm, As a 29 year old trans woman I am never going to get the shape I really want from HRT alone. Although having more metal in me than a robot is a bit hard to swallow.
I'm one who is really hoping someday there will be a way to modify our pelvis area to make it like a cis-female. I am also hopeful that someday we will be able to have female parts 3d printed that function like any other women's allowing us to give birth and be able to feel it. Current transplants would not allow for nerve connections sadly.
Lisa
sign me up.... wow....