I didn't know how else to word the subject.
Here's my story (for those who don't know it). I'm 24 years old, I am 5'8.5"ish, and I weigh ~140lbs. I've been on hormones for two years now, and I had SRS a little less than a year ago. I am basically flat. I honestly don't need a bra. I wear a 34AA, but even that is pointless really. My mom is my closest bio female relative, and she had small breasts (A cup) until she got older, put on a little weight and went up to a B cup, and then when she got preggers with me, up to a C cup. I haven't really seen any growth in over a year. Sure, I get really sore for a while, then it goes back to normal, but they haven't gotten any bigger. Yes, I have pictures to back that up. They are basically the same size now that they were a year ago.
I just graduated from college, and I am in a bit of limbo. I'm going back to graduate school in the fall, and now would be an ideal time to get a boob job, since I don't have much to do till then. Plus, I have the time to finance a boob job since my loans won't be in repayment until I graduate grad school, and I'm living at home. I can basically put all my money towards this if need be.
My question is, since I've had SRS, it's been 2 years of HRT, I'm pretty skinny, and my mom had smaller boobs until she was pregnant, do you think it would be wise for me to get a boob job? Can I reasonably expect to make it to a B cup (my ideal size), or even an A cup for that matter? My plan when I started transition was to wait 2 years before I made any decisions about a boob job, and now that it's been, I need some advice.
Please let me know.
Valerie
Two years is a pretty short time span; I've allowed eight years total for my breast development before I'd ever consider implants.
Quote from: Vexing on January 12, 2011, 01:41:33 AM
Two years is a pretty short time span; I've allowed eight years total for my breast development before I'd ever consider implants.
Yep. Mine took about 7 or 8 years to reach their full potential. I think most non-trans girls are still pretty small only 2 years into puberty. But what about other relatives? Do you have any sisters?
I don't know. Ladies, did you achieve more growth after two years?
I agree with forum admin. Mine took 5 years or so after puberty to grow their biggest. I don't know if it's the same with hormones though, so I'm not sure.
Quote from: Forum Admin on January 12, 2011, 01:55:10 AM
Ladies, did you achieve more growth after two years?
I'm an A cup after 3 years of HRT, but definitely still growing.
One thing to be wary of when asking the breast sizes of MTFs is:
a) they tend to over-report their size
b) they often don't know how to measure their cup size properly
I'm not sure if the period it takes a GG to reach full size is a true guide for us - not sure it's not either.
But this is the first time I've ever heard "7 or 8" - every other time I've seen this question ask the answer has been "what you got after 2 years is pretty close to all you are going to get"
Might be different for you girls in your 20's than for us old broads?
As a GG it took me about 5-6 years to fully develop. Weight fluctuation play a big part of it for me.
Yeah I've heard that a lot too, there may still be growth after 2 years but the general word that goes around is the bulk of it should occur by then. I'm just passed two and a half years and I'm going for a BA in a couple of weeks, not prepared to wear forms any longer.
Quote from: Imadique on January 12, 2011, 02:59:17 AM
Yeah I've heard that a lot too, there may still be growth after 2 years but the general word that goes around is the bulk of it should occur by then.
Interesting. I'm definitely having another growth spurt after SRS (and I've also started to cycle progesterone).
I'm not sure why 2 years would be a benchmark, since cis puberty lasts roughly 6-8 years. 2 years of hormone uptake for a cis girl would give the first stage of breast development (at around age 11), but she'll have another strong growth period a few years later (say 13-14). Some cis women don't get full breast growth until well into their 20s (just as some men don't get facial hair until their 20s).
I think impatience is a large factor here; a lot of girls can only wait 2 years before needing a boob job.
I'll keep you posted over the next 5 years ;)
Hey Valerie....
I was v.small after two years of HRT, and so post SRS (1992) in fact within 6 months or so I had/opted for a boob job....with a top breast chap out of Harley St.... Mr Dai Davies.
As a picture is worth a thousand words.... here's ma rack for a wee while online to see the result some 18 years on... taken about 6 weeks ago.....in fact. A fan of mine wanted to be reminded of them...*s>-bleeped-<s*
For me a 'real' result was what I wanted, and still is with all the surgery that I do, my facelift is in a 14 days now (gulp).... though for the first few years or so my boobs were more bullet tipped rigged!
Age makes everything drop....lol
Quote from: Tammy Hope on January 12, 2011, 02:46:33 AM
I'm not sure if the period it takes a GG to reach full size is a true guide for us - not sure it's not either.
But this is the first time I've ever heard "7 or 8" - every other time I've seen this question ask the answer has been "what you got after 2 years is pretty close to all you are going to get"
Might be different for you girls in your 20's than for us old broads?
Well, think about your average 12 or 13 year old girl. Usually, her breasts are not close to done. Mine started around 10 or 11 and they still went up a size from about 17-18.
Even if not quite the same, it seems odd that a trans woman's breasts would be done growing so much faster. Unless there's some kind of cap on their growth or something.
Are you on progesterone?
Um, sorry Cruella. you can't post that. :-X
Well as one woman who decidedly does not over-report my size I eventually reached an F cup. The thing is I am naturally ample, and you yourself said that you tended to be skinny. There is unfortunately a correlation. The women in my family all have big hips, big butts, and big boobs - I'm no different. I am just a typical BBW.
I do agree with those who have said that waiting for up to six years is a good idea though. For a start you don't know how far things may progress, and for a second thing after a little longer you may find that you get used to the size that you are. Being slim does have it's pluses. After two years I was just about a B cup and I was happy, but I had NO inkling where things would end up. Now decades later whenever my back aches or I have to run for a bus I actually wish I was smaller.
You're almost exactly the same height and weight as me and by the sound of it pretty much excatly the same pra sise...I'm not quite filling a UK A-cup. But the things is, with a good padded bra on I really don't look out of proportion. I think patience is the key, things will likely develop on their own...maybe after another couple of years if things have been static you could think about implants.
Like jenny said, being skinny has it's advantages
Thanks for all the replies!!
I have heard quite a bit of talk too that after two years, what you have is all you're going to get (more or less). And I'm not exaggerating my nothing either. I mean it's about nothing. When I stand up straight, there is nothing there.
I dunno. It's just hard. Like how do I deal with hooking up with a guy, explaining the breast forms? I know how I would explain it, but it's saddening to have to do it. I know that I am a little impatient too, but it's hard when all my girlfriends have bigger boobs (well, boobs in general) than me. I just hear about the trans women who have better success than me early on, and it makes it tough.
Yes, I am on progesterone. My aunt (mothers side) had small boobs too.
I get comparing us to cis women, but I feel like the development is a little different. In the sense that I was already a (more or less) fully developed male before I started female hormones. I just think that it's a little different. I dunno.
Any other thoughts?
Quote from: Valerie Elizabeth on January 12, 2011, 10:46:45 AM
I dunno. It's just hard. Like how do I deal with hooking up with a guy, explaining the breast forms?
The same way flat chested cis women deal with it :)
Quote from: Valerie Elizabeth on January 12, 2011, 10:46:45 AM
Thanks for all the replies!!
I have heard quite a bit of talk too that after two years, what you have is all you're going to get (more or less). And I'm not exaggerating my nothing either. I mean it's about nothing. When I stand up straight, there is nothing there.
I dunno. It's just hard. Like how do I deal with hooking up with a guy, explaining the breast forms? I know how I would explain it, but it's saddening to have to do it. I know that I am a little impatient too, but it's hard when all my girlfriends have bigger boobs (well, boobs in general) than me. I just hear about the trans women who have better success than me early on, and it makes it tough.
Yes, I am on progesterone. My aunt (mothers side) had small boobs too.
I get comparing us to cis women, but I feel like the development is a little different. In the sense that I was already a (more or less) fully developed male before I started female hormones. I just think that it's a little different. I dunno.
Any other thoughts?
Looking, but haven't found any good sources on MTF development yet.
One thing to consider is how strongly you feel about having natural breasts. You could lose some sensation. And if you were to develop more after awhile, how would you feel about that versus implants? There's definitely something to be said for having your own homegrown breasts. Though implants are common enough no one would find your having them odd. But if you did develop a nice set later, would you regret the implants?
As for a guy, you could just tell him the truth - you had a delayed puberty. At your age, it's believable and some women are still developing. Most guys understand that women can be sensitive about being small chested and wouldn't comment. (And if he does, he doesn't deserve your time anyway). It's really not out of the norm for how small and thin you are.
And cisgirls develop at different rates and times, so I wouldn't think you all would be much different. Your friends may be faster than you, but that doesn't mean anything. You could just be slow. It's very common for pubescent girls to feel left behind when other girls develop faster. But it's normal.
But I understand. Women are so impatient with their breasts. :laugh:
Try not to feel rushed though. Don't let the idea that this seems like a good time financially and leisure wise rush you into a decision. There may be other equally good or better times in the future. And other things may change in the interim. You may develop more and feel great about having grown them yourself. You may meet the perfect guy who loves them the way they are (in turn making you feel better about them).
So let go of the 'ideal time' idea. That 'closing window' time fallacy leads a lot of people into decisions they wouldn't otherwise have made. Only get them if you really want them. And if you would get them now anyway even if this wasn't an ideal time.
Good luck with whatever you decide to do. And you're looking awesome in the avatar. With a face like that, who needs breasts? :laugh:
Everyone seems to be different. I'm about an A cup after 1 year on HRT and hoping I'll make a B in 3 or 4 years but who knows.
I figure I may want that fat-redistribution boob surgery, if they aren't quite where I want them to be by then.
Quote from: Vexing on January 12, 2011, 02:02:31 AM
One thing to be wary of when asking the breast sizes of MTFs is:
a) they tend to over-report their size
b) they often don't know how to measure their cup size properly
That's not limited to us transgirl. ;)
I don't know. I usually read 2 to 3 years, with noticeable development immediately postop. But since that is already the case. :-\ Maybe wait another year or two? :-\
(This is definitely very much do as I say and not as I do. >:-) I am also hoping for a B but willing to settle for a full A. However if in a couple of years time (just started some HRT) I am still AA and can afford it, I would consider BA as well... :embarrassed:)
Here is some of the information out on the web.
It won't say it all accurate.
QuoteTanner Stage
Description
(as applies to transsexual woman)
Example
Stage I
(Pre-hormone treatment)
The undeveloped "pre-adolescent" pre-hormone type breast consists of a small elevated nipple (papilla) only, with no significant underlying breast tissue.
Stage II
(Hormone treatment started)
After 6-8 weeks of hormone treatment subareolar nodules can be (painfully) felt and the nipple becomes very sensitive. After about three months breast buds will visibly start to form.
There is an elevation of the nipple and surrounding breast area as a small but increasingly obvious mound, and the areola diameter may begin to enlarge (particularly in young women). Milk ducts inside the breast begin to grow. Elderly transwomen may not get beyond this stage. There is a lack of material for satisfactory breast implants - any implant will be very obvious.
Stage III This stage is reached by most transwomen after between six months and a year of continuous hormone treatment.
There is further enlargement and elevation of the breast and areola (with no separation of their contours). The areola may begin to darken in colour. The milk ducts give rise to milk glands that also begin to grow.
Stage IV If achieved, it will take one to two years to reach this stage.
There is a projection of the areola and papilla to form a secondary "mound on a mound" above level of breast. Many twenty-something transsexual women display this characteristic after pro-longed hormone use. Suitable breast implants can result in an excellent Tanner V-like appearance.
Stage V Only a very few transsexual women (mostly under age 20) reach this "mature" stage, after two or three years of hormone treatment.
The breast has now fully filled out and only the nipple still projects, the areola has recessed and become part of the general breast contour i.e. the secondary mound has disappeared.
If I were you Valerie.
I'd go for them.
Not large implants but just enough for you to feel good about yourself.
Isn't that what it is all about anyway.
Jillieann
Quote from: Jillieann on January 12, 2011, 07:54:58 PM
Here is some of the information out on the web.
It won't say it all accurate.
If I were you Valerie.
I'd go for them.
Not large implants but just enough for you to feel good about yourself.
Isn't that what it is all about anyway.
Jillieann
The only thing in the article that I would question is that idea that Tanner stage V is so rare in women over 20 - due to legal restrictions in the UK back then, I didn't start my HRT until 21 or 22 and I certainly got to tanner V - and I really don't think I am THAT unusual.
Quote from: Valerie Elizabeth on January 12, 2011, 10:46:45 AM
Like how do I deal with hooking up with a guy, explaining the breast forms?
Just wanted to point out that I used to have an ex (bio female) who had boobs smaller than an A cup. She wore a very padded bra and none of her boyfriends questioned it.
Does anyone have any experience with breast growth after implants?
Say I got implants this spring, up to a size B cup. If say I had a little more breast growth over the next couple years, how would it look? Would I end up looking weird, or would it look normal?
Any experience?
Quote from: Valerie Elizabeth on January 13, 2011, 12:36:04 PM
Does anyone have any experience with breast growth after implants?
Say I got implants this spring, up to a size B cup. If say I had a little more breast growth over the next couple years, how would it look? Would I end up looking weird, or would it look normal?
Any experience?
A friend of mine got implants (to a C I think) then ended up developing F cup breasts. She had to get the implants removed and consequently lost a decent amount of sensation in her breasts.
There are risks involved in getting and owning implants. Make sure you research them all and be aware of them before you go through with it.
Quote from: Vexing on January 13, 2011, 01:58:05 PM
A friend of mine got implants (to a C I think) then ended up developing F cup breasts. She had to get the implants removed and consequently lost a decent amount of sensation in her breasts.
There are risks involved in getting and owning implants. Make sure you research them all and be aware of them before you go through with it.
Do you know how long she had been on hormones before getting implants, and how big her breasts were before getting them?
Quote from: Valerie Elizabeth on January 13, 2011, 03:24:11 PM
Do you know how long she had been on hormones before getting implants, and how big her breasts were before getting them?
She'd been on hormones for a number of years I believe and she was somewhere around a small B cup.
Ugggggggh. I'm soooo torn.
I don't know what to do.
http://www.secondtype.info/surgeryba.htm (http://www.secondtype.info/surgeryba.htm)
I thought this breast augmentation story would help... Warning, not completely work safe to open, but really informative. At the end of her journal, she describes her growth after SRS.
Thanks for that link. The first picture shown there would be amazing. I would kill to have that right now, and those are her before implant pictures. If that's an A cup, then what do I have? I have a 34AA pushup right now (amongst other non pushups) and it is essentially useless. My boobs don't even get to be pushed up, that's how little there is.
I think part of my problem is that I don't, and never had very much body fat. Pre-hormones I weighed about 150 pounds, and had about 6% body fat (maybe 5). I was in the Army ROTC for my sophomore year of college, and part of my junior. I was into running before and after my time in the ROTC, and I had been rock climbing (indoor and outdoor - sport and bouldering) since my freshman year. I was in good shape, and have been my entire life. Now, I'm pretty inactive, but I do go climbing every once in a while - once or twice a month (as opposed to 5 times a week). Between being a little lazy, surgeries, graduating and moving, I haven't worked out in about a year. I haven't gained a pound. My weight is constant. I'm not sure if it is my eating habits or if I have a strong metabolism.
I don't know for sure, but from my own experience I really don't expect any more than a small A cup when I'm done developing. Maybe I'm just being pessimistic, but I just don't see it happening. Aside from a 3 month period after SRS, they had been hurting non stop since about a month or so of starting HRT, and to have so very little to show for it, I just don't see it going much farther than where it is now.
I still haven't made a decision yet, and anything anyone else wants to offer would be greatly appreciated.
The explanation for the 2 year rule of thumb I was led to believe is that the levels of human growth hormone rapidly decrease after puberty so it's not really fair to compare the conditions of a cis girl growing up to a trans girl applying HRT after her peak period of development (and it'd be fair to say that most of us start well after puberty). Sure we're applying the same primary hormones but they only tell the cells in which manner they should reproduce, they don't control the rate and extent to which they do it.
The growth spurt after SRS is something I've heard of a lot too, supposedly due to castration but I never understood why that is if the HRT was completely blocking testosterone anyway?
As for waiting 5-6 years to see what happens that's just not an option for me - I'm broad shouldered/chested and ugly so I can't get by without forms and I'm so sick to death of having to put on a bra to make my identity obvious even if I just want to go to the shops across the road. I miss the beach, can't go swimming with forms in. It's summer and I live in Australia, they're sweaty and uncomfortable nearly all the time. The issue of sexual relations was raised earlier too, that is probably the biggest issue - I tend to shy away from romantic advances 'cos I don't feel like I have anything to offer anyone at the moment; when I'm undressed I look like a boy - partially my fault for preferring short hair and humorous tattoos but the lack of boob doesn't help even if she can get past the other thing...
As to whether a BA is right for you that's entirely your own unique situation, if you're happy the way you are then maybe it's a better idea to wait and see but I'm off to Thailand in 10 days and will probably hold a bra burning party when I get back. :D
Quote from: Imadique on January 15, 2011, 05:20:52 AM
The explanation for the 2 year rule of thumb I was led to believe is that the levels of human growth hormone rapidly decrease after puberty so it's not really fair to compare the conditions of a cis girl growing up to a trans girl applying HRT after her peak period of development (and it'd be fair to say that most of us start well after puberty). Sure we're applying the same primary hormones but they only tell the cells in which manner they should reproduce, they don't control the rate and extent to which they do it.
That's what I thought.
Quote from: Imadique on January 15, 2011, 05:20:52 AM
The growth spurt after SRS is something I've heard of a lot too, supposedly due to castration but I never understood why that is if the HRT was completely blocking testosterone anyway?
I didn't understand that either. I think I may have brought that up a long time ago in another post.
Quote from: Imadique on January 15, 2011, 05:20:52 AM
As for waiting 5-6 years to see what happens that's just not an option for me - I'm broad shouldered/chested and ugly so I can't get by without forms and I'm so sick to death of having to put on a bra to make my identity obvious even if I just want to go to the shops across the road. I miss the beach, can't go swimming with forms in. It's summer and I live in Australia, they're sweaty and uncomfortable nearly all the time. The issue of sexual relations was raised earlier too, that is probably the biggest issue - I tend to shy away from romantic advances 'cos I don't feel like I have anything to offer anyone at the moment; when I'm undressed I look like a boy - partially my fault for preferring short hair and humorous tattoos but the lack of boob doesn't help even if she can get past the other thing...
My forms SMELL. I can't for the life of me get the smell out. I sweat into them, and no matter how I wash them, or how many times, it just wont come out. I tend to do the same with romantic advances because I have a boy chest too.
I don't miss the beach so much as I do the pool. I missed going to the pool and the hot tub with my friends. Hotel parties, school, my apartment, etc.
I really just miss dating, even if it ends badly, I still miss it. And sex.
Quote from: Imadique on January 15, 2011, 05:20:52 AM
As to whether a BA is right for you that's entirely your own unique situation, if you're happy the way you are then maybe it's a better idea to wait and see but I'm off to Thailand in 10 days and will probably hold a bra burning party when I get back. :D
Good luck with your BA. I am not happy with how my chest is, and I am currently not in a growth "spurt" and my chest shrank some (if that's even really possible). What little I had seems smaller, so I guess.
I think at this point I am going to go ahead and get them. Thanks for the feedback.
Quote from: Valerie Elizabeth on January 15, 2011, 10:35:24 AM
I think at this point I am going to go ahead and get them. Thanks for the feedback.
Considering all factors, I think this is a good move - you're clearly extremely unhappy with your breasts and they are impinging on your social life heavily.
Here I was criticizing myself last night, and it seems I'm lucky. I've just reached a B cup after 15 months of HRT. :-X
(I'm tall, too, so maybe that explains it.)
In any case, I'd say give it just a while longer. I'd hate to hear you had a sudden growth and have things be uneven. :-\
Quote from: AbbyJ on January 15, 2011, 01:44:16 PM
Here I was criticizing myself last night, and it seems I'm lucky. I've just reached a B cup after 15 months of HRT. :-X
(I'm tall, too, so maybe that explains it.)
In any case, I'd say give it just a while longer. I'd hate to hear you had a sudden growth and have things be uneven. :-\
I know for sure that my bra band size is a 34. I wear a 34AA bra, and I do NOT fill it out, not even close. It's just hard to expect that I'm going to get to an A cup (let alone a B cup) since it's already been 24 months.
I'm going to talk to Dr. Zukowski about implant sizes next week in Toronto, and see what he has to say. I know it's in his best interest to sell me implants, but he hasn't steered me wrong yet. I trust that between what he has to say, your advice, and my own judgment that I can make the right decision.
Quote from: Vexing on January 12, 2011, 03:08:09 AM
Interesting. I'm definitely having another growth spurt after SRS (and I've also started to cycle progesterone).
I'm not sure why 2 years would be a benchmark, since cis puberty lasts roughly 6-8 years. 2 years of hormone uptake for a cis girl would give the first stage of breast development (at around age 11), but she'll have another strong growth period a few years later (say 13-14). Some cis women don't get full breast growth until well into their 20s (just as some men don't get facial hair until their 20s).
I think impatience is a large factor here; a lot of girls can only wait 2 years before needing a boob job.
I'll keep you posted over the next 5 years ;)
I dunno but I'm 47 and I'm on the clock. Haven't even started HRT yet (March is the plan) and I'm not giving the puppies 8 year unless I'm too broke to do different.
You girls who transition in your 20's want to wait, i see your thinking.
My Mom is a 32D. I am 55 and have been on hormones for 4 plus years. I am maybe an A cup at the most. And I am over weight. Dear I would get the implants if I were you. But that is just me. I can't afford them. If you can why not do it?
Amelia
Quote from: Valerie Elizabeth on January 15, 2011, 10:35:24 AM
My forms SMELL. I can't for the life of me get the smell out. I sweat into them, and no matter how I wash them, or how many times, it just wont come out.
I think at this point I am going to go ahead and get them. Thanks for the feedback.
Hmm, are you talking about the foam type of forms? If you get stuck wearing them for any reason try the silicone type, they clean up really easily and don't retain a smell if you wash regularly with plain soap and water.
Thanks for the luck, glad to help :)
Quote from: perlita85 on January 16, 2011, 04:56:01 PM
It is all in the genes. I come form a long line of big breasted women DD to DDD (sisters, Mom, aunties, and grandma's), so no surprise that after of only 4 months on Spiro I am already an A, with both nipple and aerola growth (aerola is already 1 1/3 inch in diameter.
I'm jealous!!!! It took me a year to get to an A! lol. If I get to a B it'll probably be in a couple more years, I suspect.
Quote from: Jerica on January 19, 2011, 10:34:22 AM
I'm jealous!!!! It took me a year to get to an A! lol. If I get to a B it'll probably be in a couple more years, I suspect.
I'm super jealous too! It took me two years to get to nothing (well, a tad more than nothing - like AAA) :-(
On a side note, I'm seeing Dr. Zukowski in Toronto today, if anyone else is going to be there.
Quote from: Valerie Elizabeth on January 19, 2011, 10:40:28 AM
On a side note, I'm seeing Dr. Zukowski in Toronto today, if anyone else is going to be there.
I heard he was going to be in Seattle for some event or something on Feb 22nd. Slightly interested.
Thanks for the feedback.
I talked with Dr. Zukowski for a really long time yesterday. Probably about an hour.
Anyway, I've already had my SRS so I'm not expecting anything more really in the boob department. Dr. Zukowski and I talked about implants for a while, and we settled on a C cup. That's good for me. I decided on Mentor Memory Gel implants, and we're looking at like 375CC to 400CC implants under the muscle.
I will NOT gain weight, I'm too vain to ever gain weight. No offense. I count my calories and am typically pretty active, although right now I'm not. I just can't. I grew up with overweight parents, and I saw what it did to them, and how they looked. I make it part of my life to stay skinny and healthy.
And on a side note, Dr. Z said a lot of people need them replaced in like 10 years, but it's not uncommon for them to last 15 years or more. He said he just replaced them in two women, implants 18 years and 22 years old. So, it all depends. I'm not worried.
Anyway, thanks!
Quote from: Valerie Elizabeth on January 20, 2011, 10:36:40 AM
I will NOT gain weight, I'm too vain to ever gain weight. No offense. I count my calories and am typically pretty active, although right now I'm not. I just can't. I grew up with overweight parents, and I saw what it did to them, and how they looked. I make it part of my life to stay skinny and healthy.
Which is actually rather unhealthy, mentally.
How is eating only the calories I need and exercising unhealthy? Please elaborate on the mental aspect.
Quote from: Valerie Elizabeth on January 20, 2011, 12:42:06 PM
How is eating only the calories I need and exercising unhealthy? Please elaborate on the mental aspect.
Obsessing over it is the unhealthy aspect, as is letting your parent's problems drive your obsession.
I don't think it's an unhealthy habit. Keeping a mental tally of the calories I eat during the day isn't an obsession. I just don't want the health problems my parents (and many other overweight people) have. Wanting to stay skinny isn't a bad thing. I'm not anorexic skinny. I keep my weight within the medical norms for my height and age. I'm just a tad under 5'9" and I weigh 140 pounds. 130 - 170 are the medical recommended weights for my age and height.
I just know that I will not let myself get overweight. If you feel that it's an obsession then it's your prerogative - just as it is my prerogative to want to stay skinny and healthy.
I don't mean to assail you or your opinions. I just wanted to defend myself. So, I apologize if it came across as such.
Quote from: Valerie Elizabeth on January 20, 2011, 02:11:50 PM
I just know that I will not let myself get overweight. If you feel that it's an obsession then it's your prerogative - just as it is my prerogative to want to stay skinny and healthy.
You know, there's a massive difference between 'overweight' and 'skinny' - there's a whole range of healthy weights in between the two.
However, your body, your choice. Do whatever you like with it :)
Quote from: Valerie Elizabeth on January 20, 2011, 02:11:50 PM
I don't think it's an unhealthy habit. Keeping a mental tally of the calories I eat during the day isn't an obsession. I just don't want the health problems my parents (and many other overweight people) have. Wanting to stay skinny isn't a bad thing. I'm not anorexic skinny. I keep my weight within the medical norms for my height and age. I'm just a tad under 5'9" and I weigh 140 pounds. 130 - 170 are the medical recommended weights for my age and height.
I just know that I will not let myself get overweight. If you feel that it's an obsession then it's your prerogative - just as it is my prerogative to want to stay skinny and healthy.
I don't mean to assail you or your opinions. I just wanted to defend myself. So, I apologize if it came across as such.
You sound a lot like me...scarily like me in fact. i'm around the 5'9" mark, i weigh less than you...bearing in mind i was 60kg with my boots on when i weighed my self at my friends today, means i am probably under 132 lbs now, and i obsess about my fat intake (though my boobs quite often need feeding and i'll fall off the wagon and stuff my face with carbs and be in a foul mood for the rest of the day for being so weak...don't even get me started on how i feel when my tits demand dead animal flesh and i cave in). I know it's an obsession, even though i can't stop myself doing it and if i'm honest i don't want to stop myself doing it, but i still know it's an obsession.
Hey Val..I know this is off topic but are you 100% satisfied with your FFS done by Dr. Z and would you recommend him to other girls? I'm asking because I plan on having FFS with him, hopefully by the end of this year. I think you look great and so do a couple other girls I've seen done by him.
Quote from: JenJen2011 on January 21, 2011, 12:29:02 PM
Hey Val..I know this is off topic but are you 100% satisfied with your FFS done by Dr. Z and would you recommend him to other girls? I'm asking because I plan on having FFS with him, hopefully by the end of this year. I think you look great and so do a couple other girls I've seen done by him.
I sure am, and I do recommend him! I think he can be a little forward, and maybe a tad pushy, but he does good work. I think he is straightforward in what he tells you.
I am getting a boob job with him, and if I didn't trust him I wouldn't go back to him a second time. I've recommended him to other people who have also been satisfied.
Also, I needed a slight revision to my nose. It was a minor thing, and he did it for free and it wasn't a hassle at all. He also did some secondary fat grafting for free at the same time. I just really enjoyed the whole process, and I would make the same decisions again a second time.
Feel free to find me on YouTube and ask me any questions. You can also see the progression from the surgery until now.
http://www.youtube.com/user/valerievideos (http://www.youtube.com/user/valerievideos)
Thanks for the info!
As for breast implants, I say, go for them!
I started HRT in late 2005 and by mid 2007, I had a 32A cup.
My mom and sisters have quite large breasts but I felt mine
were growing too slow and since I have broad shoulders I opted
to have breast implants. I got 375CC's which is a 36B cup size, gel breast implants.
Three years later I am still very happy with the results :)
Quote from: Valerie Elizabeth on January 20, 2011, 10:36:40 AM
I will NOT gain weight, I'm too vain to ever gain weight. No offense. I count my calories and am typically pretty active, although right now I'm not. I just can't. I grew up with overweight parents, and I saw what it did to them, and how they looked. I make it part of my life to stay skinny and healthy.
You want your breasts to grow but you refuse to gain weight? Keep in mind that estrogen has an affinity for fat, and if your body fat% is under recommended levels then there's a good chance you won't be getting the maximum benefit out of your hormones. A large proportion of a person's breasts are made up of fat--there is a reason skinny women tend to have small breasts!
Quote from: trnsboi on January 21, 2011, 02:44:43 PM
You want your breasts to grow but you refuse to gain weight? Keep in mind that estrogen has an affinity for fat, and if your body fat% is under recommended levels then there's a good chance you won't be getting the maximum benefit out of your hormones. A large proportion of a person's breasts are made up of fat--there is a reason skinny women tend to have small breasts!
I'm aware of that. I would rather have small breasts and need to get implants than have voluptuous breasts and be overweight. However, right now I have NO breasts.
My body fat is in the ideal range I feel, but then again I could be wrong.
Quote from: Vexing on January 12, 2011, 02:02:31 AM
I'm an A cup after 3 years of HRT, but definitely still growing.
One thing to be wary of when asking the breast sizes of MTFs is:
a) they tend to over-report their size
b) they often don't know how to measure their cup size properly
Vexing, I thought this was funny because I think that a lot of FTMs are like this, too! We think we're bigger than we are (horrors!), and a lot of us haven't got a clue what cup size we are.
Valerie, have you spoken to a trans-knowledgeable endocrinologist about this? Also, if you're using the usual height-weight charts without allowing for your natal body type, the calculations might be a tad off for you.
I was thinking something else...could sound pretty wild and could easily be just plain crazy. Cis women have a body-fat tipping point that determines whether they will menstruate. Girls who are underweight tend to have problems having a normal puberty. I wonder if it's possible that you are skinnier than you realize, and maybe you haven't reached the usual puberty tipping point that would signal your body that your breasts need to grow. However, you said that you get soreness, so it really does sound like your body is responding appropriately to the hormones--at least some.
Two years doesn't sound like much time, based on what I've read. But if you have no growth whatsoever AND there's nothing wrong with you, perhaps you could go for the smallest implants you would be happy with. I have a friend who got large implants after less than a year of HRT, and I worry that she is going to be very top-heavy and self-conscious in a few years.
Quote from: Arch on January 21, 2011, 05:26:20 PM"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer
I love that line LOL
Quote from: Arch on January 21, 2011, 05:26:20 PM
Valerie, have you spoken to a trans-knowledgeable endocrinologist about this? Also, if you're using the usual height-weight charts without allowing for your natal body type, the calculations might be a tad off for you.
I was thinking something else...could sound pretty wild and could easily be just plain crazy. Cis women have a body-fat tipping point that determines whether they will menstruate. Girls who are underweight tend to have problems having a normal puberty. I wonder if it's possible that you are skinnier than you realize, and maybe you haven't reached the usual puberty tipping point that would signal your body that your breasts need to grow. However, you said that you get soreness, so it really does sound like your body is responding appropriately to the hormones--at least some.
My endocrinologist is pretty trans knowledgeable, and he says my weight is good for my height.
I had soreness for the majority of the time I've been on hormones, with the exception of a month during the first year, and then about two months after SRS. Now about 2 or 3 weeks ago I stopped having soreness, so I don't know what to think. My aunt on my mothers side had (according to my mother) basically just nipples until she got pregnant, and my cousin (her daughter) is pretty much in the same boat. My mom was the same way, except that her boobs stayed bigger after my birth. So, I honestly can't see myself getting much in the boob department.
Quote from: Valerie Elizabeth on January 21, 2011, 05:06:19 PM
I'm aware of that. I would rather have small breasts and need to get implants than have voluptuous breasts and be overweight. However, right now I have NO breasts.
My body fat is in the ideal range I feel, but then again I could be wrong.
You don't have to be overweight to have bigger breasts. When I went from 150lbs to 130lbs (I'm 5'5") I also lost about a cup size, from a D to a C. At 5'9" and 140 lbs you are at the tail end of the medical definition of "normal" (which is dubious because the medical industry profits from making people believe they are overweight and performing bypasses, etc). You could easily gain another 15-20lbs and still be considered normal weight. Plus, it would help you overall figure in terms of curves, if that is what you want.
Do you know what your body fat% is?