Quote from: AoifeB on March 03, 2019, 12:21:23 PM
My son wanted me to go in a ball put with him. I hopped in and he proceeded to body slam one knee right into a boob
Quote from: Darlene on March 03, 2019, 12:08:29 PM
HI Girls!!!
As I sit here in the middle of a snow storm. I'm totally bored & wondering how everyone's breasts are progressing. How long will they grow? Bra / No bra?
My questions stem from my adjustments to my own breast growth. I've been on HRT 10 months now & I'm up to a small C cup.... Is this normal? How long will my beasts continue to develop?
I've heard 1,2, & 5 years... In addition my nipples hurt like crazy. Did you know sore nipples are like a cut finger? You bang em on everything. When they are sore like this.. It's generally the only time I put on a real bra. I stick mostly to a sports bra to keep em from bouncing around.
Any tips , advice or general input???
Thanks Darlene
Quote from: krobinson103 on March 03, 2019, 12:27:55 PMI'm beginning to get discouraged by my lack of growth. Two years into HRT and I'm still not quite a B cup. I really wish these doctors would come up with a consensus and figure out what works best. I fear that my approach has left my estrogen too low for too long and I have "missed the boat".
Been a year and four months and I've hit D cup and yes they are still tender so I guess they are still growing. You get used to avoiding stuff that will cause pain... quickly!
Quote from: Darlene on March 03, 2019, 12:19:42 PM
In addition... My Dr told me a bra was a preference. She said one wasn't necessary that bras weaken the muscles around the breast area? Anyone ? Anyone?
Quote from: jkredman on March 03, 2019, 07:07:16 PM
A bra may enable the weakening of muscles, but when any bump or rub causes an intense neurological reaction; I prefer the bra.
Kate
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Quote from: Darlene on March 03, 2019, 07:19:59 PM
AMEN
Quote from: krobinson103 on March 03, 2019, 07:43:49 PM
Totally agree they are FAR too sensitive and large at this point to not have support! The feeling of something rubbing would be... distracting!
Quote from: Darlene on March 03, 2019, 08:45:49 PM
Did you have breast augmentation or something? I only ask.... because D's?? Really??
Quote from: Dietlind on March 03, 2019, 09:56:53 PM
The bra or no bra questions is as old as the chicken or egg question!
Quote from: krobinson103 on March 03, 2019, 10:22:44 PM
Really just hrt and looking after myself. No BA all natural growth.
Quote from: StacyRenee on March 03, 2019, 07:02:06 PM
I'm beginning to get discouraged by my lack of growth. Two years into HRT and I'm still not quite a B cup. I really wish these doctors would come up with a consensus and figure out what works best. I fear that my approach has left my estrogen too low for too long and I have "missed the boat".
Quote from: Julie -2010 on March 03, 2019, 07:33:18 PM
I at the other end of the spectrum. 2 years on HRT and I'm about a AA or A. Not very big. My E levels are where they should be and my Dr. just says everyone is different. I have a lot of sisters and a couple are very flat and a couple have C or higher. So I'm not sure where I should land. :( I'm hoping I'm a late bloomer.
Quote from: AoifeB on March 03, 2019, 10:24:59 PM
Remember there is a not insignificant number of cis women with smaller breasts.
Quote from: KathyLauren on March 04, 2019, 07:55:57 AM
I am at 2 years and 2 months of HRT. I finally made it to an A. I doubt if I'll ever be a B. My E levels are stable in the normal female range.
It's just a matter of everyone's body responding differently. We inherit genes from our parents, so looking at the women in both sides of your family will give you an idea of how you will likely respond. My mother had small breasts. Recently, I found a photo of my paternal grandmother and she had small breasts. So my A's are not surprising.
And my cis woman friend N has breasts that are smaller than mine, so I'm not about to complain.
Quote from: KathyLauren on March 04, 2019, 07:55:57 AMMy family are all D cup or more (except for my vegetarian sister). I'm hoping for a full C/small D. That's the primary reason for the orchiectomy I had in January. It will probably be another year and a half before ZDV SRS.
I am at 2 years and 2 months of HRT. I finally made it to an A. I doubt if I'll ever be a B. My E levels are stable in the normal female range.
It's just a matter of everyone's body responding differently. We inherit genes from our parents, so looking at the women in both sides of your family will give you an idea of how you will likely respond. My mother had small breasts. Recently, I found a photo of my paternal grandmother and she had small breasts. So my A's are not surprising.
And my cis woman friend N has breasts that are smaller than mine, so I'm not about to complain.
Quote from: StacyRenee on March 04, 2019, 08:47:17 AM
My family are all D cup or more (except for my vegetarian sister). I'm hoping for a full C/small D. That's the primary reason for the orchiectomy I had in January. It will probably be another year and a half before ZDV SRS.
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Quote from: Darlene on March 04, 2019, 08:57:23 AMIt may just be my wishful thinking, but my boobs do seem to be getting bigger, but we're talking a 5% increase. It is a week short of two months since my surgery.
Stacy, what differences have you noticed since the ORCHI? If any....
Quote from: StacyRenee on March 04, 2019, 09:58:34 AM
It may just be my wishful thinking, but my boobs do seem to be getting bigger, but we're talking a 5% increase. It is a week short of two months since my surgery.
The fact that I'm 6'2" and my BMI is around 30 means my boobs are barely noticeable. If I lost 50lbs and didn't lose anything boob-wise (which might be possible as my boobs are nearly all breast tissue and very little fat), they'd be a little more proportional. If I had a 34/36 band size they'd be great.
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Quote from: StacyRenee on March 04, 2019, 08:47:17 AMI am like you, a family of D's are around me. And I hope for a nice size C. My breasts decide to be different in size currently, the left side is a pretty good and full B, while the right side is like a grunt and tries very hard to be called a B.
My family are all D cup or more (except for my vegetarian sister). I'm hoping for a full C/small D. That's the primary reason for the orchiectomy I had in January. It will probably be another year and a half before ZDV SRS.
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Quote from: krobinson103 on March 04, 2019, 12:28:12 PMI still want to loose about 5 to 20 pounds, and hope to reduce my band width and the waist a little. I am currently at a band width of about 40, and have a bust of 46, waist of 41, and hips of 43. I hope I will not loose to much of the bust when I loose my planned weight, but hope to be able to get one bandwidth size down, and a little more at the waist
I've lost a lot of weight over the last year and a half (35kg give or take) and it all left from other places. Got my band size to 38 and other measurements to 45 35 45 so things are a lot more noticeable when you get your bmi down to 26ish. Its been better for more to stay a little 'over' to compensate for my bone structure. Too thin would look... not right.
Quote from: Dietlind on March 04, 2019, 12:38:36 PM
I am like you, a family of D's are around me. And I hope for a nice size C. My breasts decide to be different in size currently, the left side is a pretty good and full B, while the right side is like a grunt and tries very hard to be called a B.
I don't know if the orchi I had 10 days ago will do anything about the girls, but at last I do not have to take spiro anymore, because the two of us did not get along very well!
Quote from: Darlene on March 04, 2019, 01:02:03 PMMany cis women report different breast sizes, sometimes an entire cup size different!
That's me too... I'm a small C at present but my right breast hasn't filled out as nice as the left. Time I guess.
Quote from: StacyRenee on March 04, 2019, 08:47:17 AM
My family are all D cup or more (except for my vegetarian sister). I'm hoping for a full C/small D. That's the primary reason for the orchiectomy I had in January. It will probably be another year and a half before ZDV SRS.
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Quote from: StacyRenee on March 04, 2019, 09:58:34 AMAll my family are D cup and above, I've been on HRT for 3 years and I'm not even A cup!
It may just be my wishful thinking, but my boobs do seem to be getting bigger, but we're talking a 5% increase. It is a week short of two months since my surgery.
The fact that I'm 6'2" and my BMI is around 30 means my boobs are barely noticeable. If I lost 50lbs and didn't lose anything boob-wise (which might be possible as my boobs are nearly all breast tissue and very little fat), they'd be a little more proportional. If I had a 34/36 band size they'd be great.
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Quote from: Belladona on March 04, 2019, 02:05:10 PM
All my family are D cup and above, I've been on HRT for 3 years and I'm not even A cup!
My bmi is about 18 I used to be a little heavier and none of the weight goes to my chest, I'm starting to think I just don't store weight there.
Back in November last year I went completely off the anti androgens and a month later I found a strange lump on my right breast so I had to get an ultrasound. The first thing the ultrasound technician said was that I had breasts like a teenager, she said it looked like I was as developed as a 13 year old.. I thought after 3 years of hormones I'd be older than 13 but apparently not :( oh the lump was a fibroadenoma which means that I'm still developing.
Then on the 18th January I had an orchiectomy so it isn't quite 2 months ago anyway I have noticed some breasts changes, they have changed shape a little to be more round, I found another smaller lump on the left side which is side that usually lags behind and I think my nipples have enlarged a little maybe. I honestly thought nothing much changed but now I'm wondering if it wasn't just all in my head cause my nipples are standing out more and are sensitive, they nowhere near as painful as they were with the initial growing stage but are definitely more tender than their usual desensitised self.
I'm starting to wonder if lack of breast growth isn't much to do with testosterone but more to do with the anti androgens, when I was on cyproterone my T levels were 0.7 and when I stopped taking them I got more growth.
The other thing I'm puzzling over is if one has more growth hormones when a teenager but starts HRT in their 20s then does the lack of growth hormones means it takes longer than 5 years to fully develop? If my breasts are a 13 year old now then does that mean I have 10 more years of growing? I really wish science could answer these things all I can go off of is the 5-7 years it normally takes a cis-woman.
Quote from: Belladona on March 04, 2019, 02:05:10 PMI have really no clue what really causes breast growth. I came into this HRT spiel with almost the same size of breasts I have now. I know that my intersex condition caused this growth. I don't know the exact trigger, but I guess that I am in the process of finishing puberty, and because I am biologically mostly female, this happens by growing some boobs for me.
I'm starting to wonder if lack of breast growth isn't much to do with testosterone but more to do with the anti androgens, when I was on cyproterone my T levels were 0.7 and when I stopped taking them I got more growth.
The other thing I'm puzzling over is if one has more growth hormones when a teenager but starts HRT in their 20s then does the lack of growth hormones means it takes longer than 5 years to fully develop? If my breasts are a 13 year old now then does that mean I have 10 more years of growing? I really wish science could answer these things all I can go off of is the 5-7 years it normally takes a cis-woman.
Quote from: Belladona on March 04, 2019, 02:05:10 PMMy concern is mostly that my E2 levels are too low. I realize that my last test was at the end of the three month cycle I've been on. But at that point, my E2 was something like 78pg/ml. That's well within normal range, but I'm wondering if it needs to be higher in more of a pubertal range, like 150-250pg/ml.
All my family are D cup and above, I've been on HRT for 3 years and I'm not even A cup!
My bmi is about 18 I used to be a little heavier and none of the weight goes to my chest, I'm starting to think I just don't store weight there.
Back in November last year I went completely off the anti androgens and a month later I found a strange lump on my right breast so I had to get an ultrasound. The first thing the ultrasound technician said was that I had breasts like a teenager, she said it looked like I was as developed as a 13 year old.. I thought after 3 years of hormones I'd be older than 13 but apparently not :( oh the lump was a fibroadenoma which means that I'm still developing.
Then on the 18th January I had an orchiectomy so it isn't quite 2 months ago anyway I have noticed some breasts changes, they have changed shape a little to be more round, I found another smaller lump on the left side which is side that usually lags behind and I think my nipples have enlarged a little maybe. I honestly thought nothing much changed but now I'm wondering if it wasn't just all in my head cause my nipples are standing out more and are sensitive, they nowhere near as painful as they were with the initial growing stage but are definitely more tender than their usual desensitised self.
I'm starting to wonder if lack of breast growth isn't much to do with testosterone but more to do with the anti androgens, when I was on cyproterone my T levels were 0.7 and when I stopped taking them I got more growth.
The other thing I'm puzzling over is if one has more growth hormones when a teenager but starts HRT in their 20s then does the lack of growth hormones means it takes longer than 5 years to fully develop? If my breasts are a 13 year old now then does that mean I have 10 more years of growing? I really wish science could answer these things all I can go off of is the 5-7 years it normally takes a cis-woman.
Quote from: Dietlind on March 04, 2019, 12:38:36 PMThat was why I had my orchiectomy, to stop taking the spironolactone. I've seen here at Susan's as well as elsewhere that it's believed that Spiro may also block estrogen to a lesser extent.
I am like you, a family of D's are around me. And I hope for a nice size C. My breasts decide to be different in size currently, the left side is a pretty good and full B, while the right side is like a grunt and tries very hard to be called a B.
I don't know if the orchi I had 10 days ago will do anything about the girls, but at last I do not have to take spiro anymore, because the two of us did not get along very well!
Quote from: krobinson103 on March 04, 2019, 12:28:12 PMI'm looking to lose weight this year, once the weather gets warmer. Ideally I'd like to lose 50 lbs. I'm hoping that will help proportions. Most of my breast size is breast tissue, very little fat. I think I won't lose to much breast size if I do lose weight.
I've lost a lot of weight over the last year and a half (35kg give or take) and it all left from other places. Got my band size to 38 and other measurements to 45 35 45 so things are a lot more noticeable when you get your bmi down to 26ish. Its been better for more to stay a little 'over' to compensate for my bone structure. Too thin would look... not right.
Quote from: StacyRenee on March 04, 2019, 05:08:32 PM
I'm looking to lose weight this year, once the weather gets warmer. Ideally I'd like to lose 50 lbs. I'm hoping that will help proportions. Most of my breast size is breast tissue, very little fat. I think I won't lose to much breast size if I do lose weight.
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Quote from: StacyRenee on March 04, 2019, 05:05:02 PMI don't know if spiro messed up with my breast development, but it sure messed my head up. I felt like a slug, almost like in a deep depression, and had no desire to do anything, even making food seemed to be chore to hard to do!
That was why I had my orchiectomy, to stop taking the spironolactone. I've seen here at Susan's as well as elsewhere that it's believed that Spiro may also block estrogen to a lesser extent.
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Quote from: KathyLauren on March 04, 2019, 07:55:57 AMKathy,
I am at 2 years and 2 months of HRT. I finally made it to an A. I doubt if I'll ever be a B. My E levels are stable in the normal female range.
And my cis woman friend N has breasts that are smaller than mine, so I'm not about to complain.
Quote from: Dietlind on March 04, 2019, 02:55:33 PM
I have really no clue what really causes breast growth.
Quote from: Chloe on March 04, 2019, 09:35:48 PM
Well, I noticed when I cycle down on E only for a week, breasts start acting up, aching once again ;)
Quote from: Chloe on March 04, 2019, 09:35:48 PMYou are lucky that you can influence the pain in your boobs! Mine hurt continuously for 3 to 4 years now. I think I would miss something if they would stop hurting. It is some type of hate love with me, i think. They tell me all day long that they are there, specifically if I hit something with them!
Well, I noticed when I cycle down on E only for a week, breasts start acting up, aching once again ;)
Quote from: Dietlind on March 05, 2019, 07:09:47 AM
You are lucky that you can influence the pain in your boobs! Mine hurt continuously for 3 to 4 years now. I think I would miss something if they would stop hurting. It is some type of hate love with me, i think. They tell me all day long that they are there, specifically if I hit something with them!
Quote from: Chloe on March 04, 2019, 09:35:48 PM
Well, I noticed when I cycle down on E only for a week, breasts start acting up, aching once again ;)
Quote from: krobinson103 on March 06, 2019, 12:08:07 PMI can cycle anything, or eat anything, my girls are hurting 24/7, and that for several years now!
Try eating the wrong food! If I eat anything with dairy or animal protein the next day is total agony and even hospital grade pain killers don't do much!
Quote from: Dietlind on March 06, 2019, 12:21:19 PM
I can cycle anything, or eat anything, my girls are hurting 24/7, and that for several years now!
Quote from: Darlene on March 06, 2019, 12:30:41 PMNot really, it can be a little depending on the way you take estrogen. Normally, the pituitary gland would stimulate the ovaries to make more estrogen to start the monthly cycle. I doubt that you have ovaries, but if you take estrogen in a different way, it might create something resembling this feeling.
Mine only get really painful. Around once a month. I told another transgender friend about this. She speculated about something similar to a cis girl having her period.
Now this is completely foreign to me. Is there a possibility that's true???
Quote from: Dietlind on March 06, 2019, 12:45:30 PM
Not really, it can be a little depending on the way you take estrogen. Normally, the pituitary gland would stimulate the ovaries to make more estrogen to start the monthly cycle. I doubt that you have ovaries, but if you take estrogen in a different way, it might create something resembling this feeling.
It is similar to the eating desire that one has when one begins to take estrogen, and that mimics a little the onset of a pregnancy.
If you really have this feeling every month, you might want to talk to your doc about it, because it seems to indicate a fluctuation in hormones.
Quote from: Darlene on March 06, 2019, 12:30:41 PM
Mine only get really painful. Around once a month. I told another transgender friend about this. She speculated about something similar to a cis girl having her period.
Now this is completely foreign to me. Is there a possibility that's true???
Quote from: Darlene on March 06, 2019, 12:58:20 PMThe constant breast pain is present, as long as the breasts are still growing (teenagers have the same feelings). I know that my breasts are growing now for several years already (I am biologically a bit different than most of you here) and I think they are still growing, just with a similar speed as they grow with young girls.
Cool , yeah I'll mention it to her. I had talked to her before about the pain. She told me it was natural & could last years
Quote from: StacyRenee on March 03, 2019, 07:02:06 PM
I'm beginning to get discouraged by my lack of growth. Two years into HRT and I'm still not quite a B cup. I really wish these doctors would come up with a consensus and figure out what works best. I fear that my approach has left my estrogen too low for too long and I have "missed the boat".
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Quote from: Darlene on March 03, 2019, 12:19:42 PM
In addition... My Dr told me a bra was a preference. She said one wasn't necessary that bras weaken the muscles around the breast area? Anyone ? Anyone?
Quote from: Ellora on March 06, 2019, 09:35:10 PM
Hi! Ive been reading the same thing- Bras weaken the muscles around the breast area, but what are we supposed to do about perky nips? Im guessing maybe "pasties?" I start HRT next week, and if I have an increase in breast size (over time of course), I will def need a bra to keep the nips from drawing unwanted attention and discomfort in public. At home it wouldn't be to much of an issue. But then again, I would probably want a bra to help with cleavage (if and when im so lucky). lol
PS Pasties just made me think about those "Sticky Bra Strapless Backless Bra's", Im wondering if they dont mess with the breast muscles?
Quote from: Ellora on March 06, 2019, 08:50:10 PM
Have you tried Breast enlargement pumps,nipple pumps, and massaging? Im pre-HRT (starting within a week =)!!), and have been using creams (different ones over the years), and have noticed changes (for the better), especially with my nipples. Massaging and moisturizing the ladies are very important. Best of luck!
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Quote from: Ellora on March 06, 2019, 08:50:10 PMI'm considering breast pumps. I'm going for my estrogen pellets again today, but I will be asking about switching to injectable estrogen in hopes of raising my estrogen levels. I'm going to give it another 3 months. If I'm not getting the response I'm looking for after having had an orchiectomy 2 months ago, I'll likely invest in a breast pump.
Have you tried Breast enlargement pumps,nipple pumps, and massaging? Im pre-HRT (starting within a week =)!!), and have been using creams (different ones over the years), and have noticed changes (for the better), especially with my nipples. Massaging and moisturizing the ladies are very important. Best of luck!
Quote from: StacyRenee on March 07, 2019, 08:36:01 AMWhat size of breasts have your closest female relatives, like mother, sister? The max you can expect from any hormones is about one size less than they have/had.
I'm considering breast pumps. I'm going for my estrogen pellets again today, but I will be asking about switching to injectable estrogen in hopes of raising my estrogen levels. I'm going to give it another 3 months. If I'm not getting the response I'm looking for after having had an orchiectomy 2 months ago, I'll likely invest in a breast pump.
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Quote from: Dietlind on March 07, 2019, 08:41:48 AMMy mother was 40D, my sister is about 38DD, just a guess/estimate. I'm hoping for full 40C. I'm not quite a 40B yet after two years of HRT. They're noticable but not obvious (they're mistaken for manboobs I guess).
What size of breasts have your closest female relatives, like mother, sister? The max you can expect from any hormones is about one size less than they have/had.
If you want more, you need to go the other routes to increase the size of your boobs.
Quote from: StacyRenee on March 07, 2019, 01:14:18 PMMy left girl is a solid 40B, while the right one is trying to be one. I am also hoping for 40C, and I might have a chance to get there, because both breasts are still hurting constantly. I am at that edge of looking like large moobs, but I am not really fat, so moobs don't look right either. My areolae and nipples are larger than your typical male stuff.
My mother was 40D, my sister is about 38DD, just a guess/estimate. I'm hoping for full 40C. I'm not quite a 40B yet after two years of HRT. They're noticable but not obvious (they're mistaken for manboobs I guess).
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Quote from: StacyRenee on March 07, 2019, 08:36:01 AM
I'm considering breast pumps. I'm going for my estrogen pellets again today, but I will be asking about switching to injectable estrogen in hopes of raising my estrogen levels. I'm going to give it another 3 months. If I'm not getting the response I'm looking for after having had an orchiectomy 2 months ago, I'll likely invest in a breast pump.
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Quote from: Darlene on March 06, 2019, 09:40:08 PM
i wear a compression shirt
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