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Title: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: HappyMoni on October 28, 2018, 08:48:01 AM
Hi ho, Neighbors! That is how Kermit the Frog used to greet isn't it? Well, I bring him up because he and I have a similar complexion. Well, I'm not green, but years of abuse from the sun, lack of moisturizing, lack of general care, and electrolysis out the wazoo has caused my skin to be pretty rough. A friend once called it 'ruddy' whatever that means. I have dark spots, fine wrinkles, and large pores especially in the areas of the nose and chin. It always struck me as something that detracted from my feminine appearance and helped get me clocked.
So, I had my nose repaired by Dr. Papel in Baltimore and he recommended a skin specialist. I offer this information because in three weeks of treatment I see real results already. It isn't terribly cheap and not covered by insurance, but I figured it is better to skip all the garbage in the stores they say work wonders and go for real treatment. My chin is looking so much better as are other areas of my face. The treatment involves monitored application of prescription Retin A, exfoliation, moisturizing and UV protection. I also will do a peel soon. The procedure works on different layers of skin. It is exciting for me because after my electrolysis, my skin without any beard still looked like it had shadow. Well, I thought I would share.
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: ChrissyRyan on October 28, 2018, 09:52:31 AM
Hi Moni,

Hugs.  I think it is great that you think your face is in better condition and appearance in so short of a time.  I am not as far along in transition as you, that is for sure.  Somedays I wish that I was though.

I never had a peel, but I have done masks and facials and use cleansers, moisturizers, and overnight creams with non perscription strength Retin-A.  I have not visited a dermatologist but do talk with an estestician for advice.  I use relatively inexpensive brand name creams that I can buy at drugstores or at beauty supply stores, nothing expensive.  I bought a take-home patch and mask kit that I might try today, it was just a few dollars.

I have been thinking of what I can do for the time being.  Certainly less facial hair would be nice.
I have noticed that my facial hair seems to be less over time.  Still have a shadow later in the day.
I have not started electrolysis, I am giving it some real serious thought though.  But I heard you have to not shave for a few days before an appointment and I do enjoy the smooth face look very much. 

Your posts have helped me think things out and I look forward to them.  Of course, I do not want to forget all the others that post great insights and tips here also.  Thanks!  It is nice to have this type of sharing.

Chrissy
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: Linde on October 28, 2018, 12:33:15 PM
I am not that far advanced in getting my face female as you girls are.  But mother nature helped me a little, and i have to shave only every 3 or so days, and have naturally soft skin that has no big pores.
My problem are a million wrinkles around my eyes.  I never liked to wear sunglasses and rather preferred to squint, and the result is all those wrinkles. 
As a male, it did not bother me, because if any, it made me look tougher! ( and with my androgynous body i had to do what I could to look tough) 
But the problem with this is that I am not a male anymore, and the wrinkles look not very elegant on a female face.  I have very sensitive skin, and I tried some over the counter stuff, and could not sleep for several nights because my entire face was itching like crazy.  I have that sensitive girlish skin, decorated with beard growth and bad wrinkles!
Do you ladies have any advise what I can do to convert my face into that absolutely stunning look of a cover girl, or at least take it away from the looks of an old witch?
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: Allison S on October 28, 2018, 02:59:29 PM
I get drying. Interestingly enough, I also still have a bit of a shadow, though no where near as much hair grows on my upper lip.

It sounds like you have a great skin care routine and it's actually very natural. Our skin is constantly peeling and regenerating. My motto is: "I will have new skin. It will be better". This kept me going for years and years and gave me hope when dysphoria was at it's wost. I really did have to learn resilience.

I have to add, it also wasn't just the "motto" I had in hindsight. I had many depressive episodes, overeating and excessively drinking alcohol, but I tried to take care of my body as best as I can. Drinking water, eating fruit and vegetables, fat, protein and carbs and of course exercise. All in moderation. I try not to skimp on my workouts, but I also will have a treat whether dessert or a sugary beverage. To me, savory foods aren't treats, they're best rotated in a balanced diet so I can slightly satisfy my craving and keep my sanity too... [emoji4]

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Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: HappyMoni on October 28, 2018, 04:35:07 PM
Thank you for posting ladies. Chrissy, I'm glad some of my posts are helpful. I think I will follow this program to the letter but once I get to a better place I may look to find some cheaper alternatives for some items. I am gradually doing the Retin A, every other day. She wants me to get to using it every day. Dietlind, I think the Retin A does the job on the wrinkles. The ones near my eyes are fading already. I have gotten a lot of warnings from people saying that it tears up your face before it helps. Part of my procedure is to rub it in and then wipe the edges to make sure there is no areas of build up. It seems to work as I have had no big issues with flaking or irritation.
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: Linde on October 28, 2018, 09:27:39 PM
Quote from: HappyMoni on October 28, 2018, 04:35:07 PM
Thank you for posting ladies. Chrissy, I'm glad some of my posts are helpful. I think I will follow this program to the letter but once I get to a better place I may look to find some cheaper alternatives for some items. I am gradually doing the Retin A, every other day. She wants me to get to using it every day. Dietlind, I think the Retin A does the job on the wrinkles. The ones near my eyes are fading already. I have gotten a lot of warnings from people saying that it tears up your face before it helps. Part of my procedure is to rub it in and then wipe the edges to make sure there is no areas of build up. It seems to work as I have had no big issues with flaking or irritation.
Thanks for the info.  I just wonder if I can use this considering my very sensitive skin and the warning: "Limit your time in the sun. Avoid tanning"
I am living in SW Florida, it is impossible to avoid tanning or limiting the time in the sun.  Sun is an omnipresent fact in this part of the country!

I have to check a little more into it.
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: Linde on November 04, 2018, 07:00:13 PM
My ex wife has now joined my consultant group.  It seems as if we are on the path of becoming good girlfriends!

She just reminded me that I have very sensitive skin and have to be careful with a lot of the cosmetic stuff.  My ex hardly wore anything more than a lipstick.  She did not need it, she always had a very natural and vibrant beauty.
But she knows my skin best, and hopefully will find something that I can use safely.
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: HappyMoni on November 04, 2018, 08:00:56 PM
With the amount of sun in your life living in Florida, you should be using a broad spectrum UV protector. Part of my program involves an SPF 45 UV shield. My skin specialist told me that all the good I am doing now will be undone if the skin is not protected from the sun. I was having problems putting foundation on after doing my skin procedure in the AM. It turns out that I can get a tinted UV protector that works better than the foundation that I was using. Just a little blush and eye make up if I feel fancy, and I look pretty good for an old broad. Actually, I end up looking at my skin every day as I am excitedly seeing progress. According to her, I have only taken baby steps so far. I have a student who graduates this year. In the graduation ceremony, a staff member can stand with (behind) the student. My goal is to be there for my one long time student with clear skin, having learned how to really apply make up. He is an awesome kid and I started working with him as my old self. Silly maybe, but I want to be my best for him. I am so proud of him.
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: Linde on November 04, 2018, 08:20:35 PM
I think I should search out some professional help for the beginning to get an idea what I need to do.  Those web based face cognition things always judge me 20 to 25 years younger than I am (looking young is another intersex thing - I was carded when I was 40).  But even the youngest looking face can look old very fast, if it is allowed to do so.  My current face protection that seems to work pretty well, is after shave lotion by Nivea.  It keeps my face nice and soft and doe not itch at all.  I don't know if it has anything to protect against the sun.  All female stuff I have tried so far make me itch like crazy.  Some stuff was so bad, I could not sleep well for two nights in a row, even though I washed it off, as soon as I felt the itching to start!
What kind of business would I want to look for to get a good advise for my face?

By the way, congrats for your success with the kid you were able to get through the system all the way to graduation!

My wife did a masters project with an autistic kid and brought him to graduation.  This kid is now a teacher at a middle school!
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: HappyMoni on November 04, 2018, 08:34:41 PM
An Aesthetician was recommended to me by the doctor who did my deviated septum repair. I would go with a professional for sensitive skin, and definitely sun protection. Thanks, I won't get too specific about my student, but he is awesome.
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: Linde on November 04, 2018, 08:47:47 PM
Quote from: HappyMoni on November 04, 2018, 08:34:41 PM
An Aesthetician was recommended to me by the doctor who did my deviated septum repair. I would go with a professional for sensitive skin, and definitely sun protection. Thanks, I won't get too specific about my student, but he is awesome.
Thanks, I will start my search for such a person/business!
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: Chloe on November 05, 2018, 04:45:54 AM
Quote from: HappyMoni on October 28, 2018, 08:48:01 AMIt isn't terribly cheap and not covered by insurance

They're always adding new help vdo's been a 'Platinum' member for years have you ever checked out 'platinumskincare' ?
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: HappyMoni on November 05, 2018, 04:20:04 PM
@Kiera,
   The Retin A is what really makes the difference in this process, for me. It is prescription strength, and that only comes from a doctor. Besides that, if the Retin A is applied incorrectly, it will tear up your face. Your suggestion might be good for someone with minor issues. Thank you for posting it. I have had years of sun damage, damage from acne, and years of neglect. When I was younger, they thought tanning was healthy stuff. If I only knew what I know now. I suspect there are others like me. I guess I think about others with this thread, who need a 'repaving' rather than a 'few potholes filled.' lol There is hope if someone has badly damaged skin.
Moni
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: Linde on November 05, 2018, 09:21:50 PM
What do you girls think about microblading?  It sure is not cheap, is it a good return on investment?
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: Beverly Anne on November 27, 2018, 10:08:38 PM
My complexion has worsened since HRT. Or maybe it's the makeup causing issues?
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: HappyMoni on November 28, 2018, 04:39:03 PM
I have learned a few things on this program. Moisturizing is very important as is UV protection. This one floored me. Using a facecloth on your skin is really bad for it. It damages your skin. Makeup can cause issues if one doesn't take steps to care for the health of the skin. The damage from beard removal that I had is now being reversed and it is looking like normal soft skin again. Come January I will do a peel. I'm curious to see what that does. I also want to look into laser treatment for my GCS scars.
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: sarahc on November 28, 2018, 04:54:02 PM
Yeah, skincare is something I'm going to be ramping up on in the near term. I subscribe to Skincare Addiction on >-bleeped-<, and it's a really good resource / discussion group - I'm going to be starting skincare next week based on their recommendations. One of their recommendations is you must, must use moisturizer, even if you have oily skin.

I have traditionally had oily skin, but between winter being here and me eating much better, my skin is definitely trendy more towards normal, not oily. So my next concern is uneven skin tone, pores and occasional acne. In addition to face, I'm also very concerned with my upper chest....I don't feel great wearing scoopnecks and v-necks given the numerous imperfections there.

I'm going to start with daily cleansing + moisturizer and see how that goes. If I tolerate that well, then I'll move on to exfoliation and see if I get results, especially in conjunction with starting HRT in January. If that doesn't work, then I'll see a dermatologist.
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: Linde on November 28, 2018, 11:00:38 PM
Quote from: HappyMoni on November 28, 2018, 04:39:03 PM
I have learned a few things on this program. Moisturizing is very important as is UV protection. This one floored me. Using a facecloth on your skin is really bad for it. It damages your skin. Makeup can cause issues if one doesn't take steps to care for the health of the skin. The damage from beard removal that I had is now being reversed and it is looking like normal soft skin again. Come January I will do a peel. I'm curious to see what that does. I also want to look into laser treatment for my GCS scars.
I had this microneedeling done, which requires about 4 follow up peels.  I had my first peel done on Monday.  This was OK concerning discomfort.  Nothing in the world can be as painfull as this microneedeling.  My entire face and neck did hurt for almost a week, but it is supposed to eliminate all the fine hairline creases and skin imperfections like spots from sun damage, etc.  I hope they did not oversell me on that one, because it was not cheap!
Part of the entire package are special skin care items, for different treatments in the morning and at night.  For the day I got a skin tone colored sun protection  cream that can be used instead of a light foundation.
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: ChrissyRyan on November 29, 2018, 06:31:07 AM
I cleanse my face.  I also moisturize my face, and as needed, elsewhere.
I have also been to a spa this fall for a facial.

These are good things to do. 

I do not use much makeup.

Chrissy
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: blackcat on December 09, 2018, 08:40:11 PM
I'm a little late to this thread, but if anyone is looking for an esthetician, I would highly recommend finding someone who is trained with Dermalogica. They are one of the largest skincare companies, there's a store locator on their website, and lots of chain beauty stores/massage places carry Dermalogica as one of their lines.

I'm an esthetician, and I've had my hands in a multitude of products, and Dermalogica is the one line that has never ever failed me. I've always had amazing results consistently with clients.

Part of their facial process involves an in-depth skin analysis, and then an esthetician will sketch up a routine customized to your skin (and should be able to explain precisely why what products are chosen, citing the ingredients involved). I wouldn't recommend buying their products without first consulting with an esthetician who is trained in the line because they have SO many products, and if you pick the wrong ones, you won't get the best results (this is true for any skincare line).

Some stores also have someone who will just do an analysis if you want to skip the facial, I do believe.

There are always coupons you can google for their online store.  ;)

So if anyone feels really overwhelmed about where to start with skincare, I recommend Dermalogica, because it's so personalized and education-oriented. Everyone's skin is SO different, and small details of your lifestyle, which are also highly individual, have a huge impact on your skin.
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: HappyMoni on February 18, 2019, 05:45:56 PM
Anyone tried  laser treatments on their face to reduce pore size or remove hyper pigmented areas? I am going to have my GCS and BA scars treated with laser to make them less obvious. I saw in the literature that they can target the face for the issues I listed above. My skin program has made a big difference, but I still want to make it better. Any thoughts?

Moni
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: Linde on February 18, 2019, 08:21:58 PM
Quote from: HappyMoni on February 18, 2019, 05:45:56 PM
Anyone tried  laser treatments on their face to reduce pore size or remove hyper pigmented areas? I am going to have my GCS and BA scars treated with laser to make them less obvious. I saw in the literature that they can target the face for the issues I listed above. My skin program has made a big difference, but I still want to make it better. Any thoughts?

Moni
I got microneedeling, which i more intensive than laser.  I had it done for the entire face and neck.  This was followed with spot laser treatment of skin discolorations (sun damage mostly), and some red blood vessels on one side of my nose.

My face is now absolutely spot free and has the same appearance across.  The skin is nice and soft, I almost could fall in love with myself with this skin! :angel:
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: HappyMoni on February 18, 2019, 09:21:30 PM
Quote from: Dietlind on February 18, 2019, 08:21:58 PM
I got microneedeling, which i more intensive than laser.  I had it done for the entire face and neck.  This was followed with spot laser treatment of skin discolorations (sun damage mostly), and some red blood vessels on one side of my nose.

My face is now absolutely spot free and has the same appearance across.  The skin is nice and soft, I almost could fall in love with myself with this skin! :angel:
Expensive Linde?
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: Linde on February 18, 2019, 09:52:59 PM
Quote from: HappyMoni on February 18, 2019, 09:21:30 PM
Expensive Linde?
The microneedeling, yes, pretty expensive.  The spot laser about $200.  They did a follow up for free for th laser, to treat little spots they missed before.  They also could do a setting to kill the hair inside my nose, and in the ears.  No more nose or ear hairs for this lady!  But I did not have many to start with.
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: KimOct on February 26, 2019, 11:03:03 PM
I never looked at this thread before until now.  If I had seen it was started by you Moni I would have done so just for the occasional humor.  :)

I have been thinking about micro-needling or Retin A or some sort of skin treatment.  FFS is doubtful for me but I have had some juvederm injections in the past which I really liked.  If I can maybe just do something with my skin and some filler injections I will leave it at that.

I did 80 hours of electro and could use more but it really left some major 'potholes' as Moni said.  I did a one day two techs simultaneously mass clearing.  Big mistake my face looked like I was in an accident for weeks. 
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: Linde on February 26, 2019, 11:30:17 PM
Quote from: KimOct on February 26, 2019, 11:03:03 PM
I never looked at this thread before until now.  If I had seen it was started by you Moni I would have done so just for the occasional humor.  :)

I have been thinking about micro-needling or Retin A or some sort of skin treatment.  FFS is doubtful for me but I have had some juvederm injections in the past which I really liked.  If I can maybe just do something with my skin and some filler injections I will leave it at that.

I did 80 hours of electro and could use more but it really left some major 'potholes' as Moni said.  I did a one day two techs simultaneously mass clearing.  Big mistake my face looked like I was in an accident for weeks.
Professional microneedeling (pretty painful) will cause a new layer of skin to grow, and after that I had some laser touch ups.  Everybody is ah-ing and oh-ing about my skin now.  It was not dirt cheap, but now I don't look like an old hag anymore.
I want something done about the crows feet around my eyes and an, for me ugly, wrinkle at the top of my nose.  I am pretty much set after that, and just go for a monthly facial to keep everything nice.

I do put toner on in the morning and night, and follow up with acid for hydration.  During the day I always apply a slightly colored sunscreen which is also my foundation.  I like it a lot when people guess my age to be early to late 50s when I wear the right makeup.
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: HappyMoni on February 27, 2019, 04:56:14 PM
I would never do an all day clearing involving a big emphasis on face. I hear it is pretty bad. I don't want to know how much money I spent on electrolysis, but I am very close to being done. Think I will do a few remaining leg hairs as a treat. I never did drugs or alcohol or took expensive trips or have fancy cars. I decided this is something I would do, become a hairless chihuahua. Woof woof!
If it doesn't snow next Tuesday, I will go for a moderate chemical peel on my face and also my first session with the laser on my breast and GCS scars. I signed up for a special of 300 dollars for three 15 minute sessions. This laser targets the pigment and makes the color difference less noticeable. I will let you know how it goes. I have some dark spots on my face so I will  ask about them also.
Moni
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: Linde on February 27, 2019, 05:29:35 PM
Quote from: HappyMoni on February 27, 2019, 04:56:14 PM
I signed up for a special of 300 dollars for three 15 minute sessions. This laser targets the pigment and makes the color difference less noticeable. I will let you know how it goes. I have some dark spots on my face so I will  ask about them also.
Moni
I did the spot treatment on the face, and it really works like a cham!  I don't know what color difference you need to correct on your chest, but I do not know your chest either  >:-)
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: KimOct on February 27, 2019, 07:56:50 PM
chihuahua  LMAO  Yeah the mass face clearing is a nightmare, later on tonight I will post some pics.  It was pre-transition
so it is REALLY scary.  :D 

I strongly advise against mass facial clearings.  When I find the pics later that should scare everyone off.
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: KimOct on February 27, 2019, 09:09:05 PM
This is 3 years ago before transition.  The first pic is a few days before a mass electrolysis clearing.  8 hour day and a tech on each side of me.  They gave me lidocaine injections into my face which did not help much.  My skin still has pock marks 3 years later that were not there before that day. 

Don't do this.  It took a month to look normal again and I was still in the closet - I couldn't admit what it really was.  I made up some ridiculous stories.  Sound much like someone in the closet?  :D

(https://i.imgur.com/Hsrdrat.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/NX08rT6.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/6BvesgI.jpg)
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: Linde on February 27, 2019, 09:31:11 PM
Had some fight in North Minneapolis?
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: KimOct on February 27, 2019, 11:14:08 PM
LOL - looks like it doesn't it.  It was in suburban Chicago, Probably don't want to give more details here or he might sue me.  :D
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: HappyMoni on February 28, 2019, 04:50:45 PM
Quote from: KimOct on February 27, 2019, 11:14:08 PM
LOL - looks like it doesn't it.  It was in suburban Chicago, Probably don't want to give more details here or he might sue me.  :D

Ouch!  That must have been tough explaining that. I have worse pictures but they were after serious facial surgery. My 9 hour facial surgery was out patient. On the way to where I stayed, we stopped at a light and a guy on the street saw me. I think I scared the crap out of him.
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: KimOct on February 28, 2019, 08:26:24 PM
LMAO !! Yeah he probably thought you escaped from intensive care.   9 hour OUT patient that is insane.  Drive through surgery is getting nuts. 

When I had my kidney removed they gave me the option of going home the next day.  I hate hospitals but I couldn't believe it.  I could barely sit up and they wanted me to go home?  I stayed an extra day.
WTF ??
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: Linde on February 28, 2019, 08:34:31 PM
Quote from: KimOct on February 28, 2019, 08:26:24 PM
LMAO !! Yeah he probably thought you escaped from intensive care.   9 hour OUT patient that is insane.  Drive through surgery is getting nuts. 

When I had my kidney removed they gave me the option of going home the next day.  I hate hospitals but I couldn't believe it.  I could barely sit up and they wanted me to go home?  I stayed an extra day.
WTF ??
When I had part of my spine removed, and replaced with steel rods, they allowed me 3 nights in the hospital!  They wanted to kick me out after 2 nights, but my wife almost begged on her knees to keep me longer.  It was one night she could achieve!

It is the insurances that required this, who cares about the patient!
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: HappyMoni on March 01, 2019, 03:54:33 PM
Quote from: Dietlind on February 28, 2019, 08:34:31 PM
When I had part of my spine removed, and replaced with steel rods, they allowed me 3 nights in the hospital!  They wanted to kick me out after 2 nights, but my wife almost begged on her knees to keep me longer.  It was one night she could achieve!

It is the insurances that required this, who cares about the patient!

Spine removed? I had that surgery the day I got married! (Sorry, old male humor alert!)
Quote from: KimOct on February 28, 2019, 08:26:24 PM


LMAO !! Yeah he probably thought you escaped from intensive care.   9 hour OUT patient that is insane.  Drive through surgery is getting nuts. 

When I had my kidney removed they gave me the option of going home the next day.  I hate hospitals but I couldn't believe it.  I could barely sit up and they wanted me to go home?  I stayed an extra day.
WTF ??

When I woke up after 9 hours, I found my nurse on a speaker phone trying to get the doctor to return to fix my drain that wasn't working. The doctor was an absolute a**! She very rudely refused. The icing on the cake was that it was an outpatient hospital and the staff was packing up to leave for the night. I felt like, "What about me." Take the money and run, right doc?"
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: Linde on March 01, 2019, 08:58:42 PM
Quote from: HappyMoni on March 01, 2019, 03:54:33 PM
Spine removed? I had that surgery the day I got married! (Sorry, old male humor alert!)
It was almost at the end of our marriage, it took her 36 years to get me there, she finally got me, and I chickened out!
Quote
I felt like, "What about me." Take the money and run, right doc?"
My endo seems to be of that type.  I called yesterday morning if they could call me back  if I should increase my E after surgery (I think I am low on hormones, because i am tired the entire day), no call, called this morning, answer machine, and no call, called at 3:30 PM, and got the machine telling me that they have gone home for the weekend!  Here I sit, i pay lots of money out of pocket for this guy, and receive zero customer service.  I will kiss him goodbye, once I find another endo knowing to do trans stuff!
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: HappyMoni on March 07, 2019, 05:01:57 PM
I did laser on my scars the other day. It is really quick and hardly any pain is involved. I am supposed to get like 3 treatments. She said it would address the redness in the scar and also help to flatten it some. It looks pretty red and bruised afterwards but is starting to fade pretty well on day two. I want to zap some brown spots as well, but that device was down for repair. It is cool because she will do anything I need during the period of time I bought (15 minutes). I might do some laser hair removal on my arms if I have time. It is pretty fine hair now, so not sure if it will do anything. I'll update as I see changes. As for the facial program, I did my second moderate peal. My skin has improved greatly since I started. It looks more feminine for sure. There are still some areas of larger pores. I see they talk about a type of laser helping with this, but I didn't ask about it yet. If it tears up the face in the process, I'll wait for summer.
Moni
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: Linde on March 07, 2019, 08:54:54 PM
I can't really say anything what laser did to me except removing the spots they called sun damage. I am blessed with that bay skin, and never developed any large pores.  The laser worked very well for those brown spots, they are all gone.  i had a big one, almost dime size on my forehead, and that is absolutely gone.  I am pretty impressed with the results!

I have a question for all here who were rendered to be without balls, do I just think that my facial hair is growing a little slower?  I shaved on Tuesday morning, and would probably shave tomorrow morning again.  If the growth would  slow down even more, I would not do much electrolysis anymore.
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: CynthiaAnn on March 18, 2019, 07:05:54 AM
Nice topic to catch up Moni, there was a wealth of info shared here, thanks

For myself, I am also in the camp of years of neglect and sun worship (un protected) as a young person, I paid the price. Finished with my electro last year after staring in 2012 (I would need over 300 hours in the chair to be free). I just bought my fresh sun screen for this season (SPF 55), and take my skin care more seriously now. HRT made my skin dry up a lot more easily, and we live in a fairly moist climate here in W. WA.

Kim that was brutal, OMG

Hugs

Cynthia -
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: HappyMoni on March 21, 2019, 08:37:22 PM
Quote from: CynthiaAnn on March 18, 2019, 07:05:54 AM
Nice topic to catch up Moni, there was a wealth of info shared here, thanks

For myself, I am also in the camp of years of neglect and sun worship (un protected) as a young person, I paid the price. Finished with my electro last year after staring in 2012 (I would need over 300 hours in the chair to be free). I just bought my fresh sun screen for this season (SPF 55), and take my skin care more seriously now. HRT made my skin dry up a lot more easily, and we live in a fairly moist climate here in W. WA.

Kim that was brutal, OMG

Hugs

Cynthia -

Thanks Cynthia,
   Update on laser on scars. I have noticed after the first laser section that the newer scars seem to have had the best result. Those are under my breasts. Older scars are about back to where they started in the healing process. I have two more sections scheduled. I think the newer scars will end up with significant improvement at least.
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: Linde on March 21, 2019, 08:43:13 PM
Quote from: HappyMoni on March 21, 2019, 08:37:22 PM
Thanks Cynthia,
   Update on laser on scars. I have noticed after the first laser section that the newer scars seem to have had the best result. Those are under my breasts. Older scars are about back to where they started in the healing process. I have two more sections scheduled. I think the newer scars will end up with significant improvement at least.
Since some of the scar tissue is removed by the laser, you might be able to improve the appearance of even the old scars with some dedicated scar massage!
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: HappyMoni on April 10, 2019, 04:32:28 PM
I went for my second laser treatment yesterday. Again, I treated my scars (GCS, BA, and others). I have seen good improvement on them. This time, they didn't look as bad after the treatment, not as red. I expect recovery to be quicker. Also, since I paid for a block of time instead of for a specific treatment, I had some dark marks treated on my face, shoulders, and back. It is a different laser. It didn't hurt but it stung a little for a few hours after. I have a dark area on my left check. She told me it was from sun damage from driving a car. I was like, "That makes sense!" Finally, I had the hair on my forearms lasered. This was the only thing that hurt. It is fine hair and not real dark, but I think if it was hurting, it must be doing something.
This is all through the office of the surgeon who did the repairs from my botched facial surgery. His name is Dr. Papel in Baltimore. Next week he will remove my trach shave scar and attempt to significantly improve its appearance. I really like him.
Moni
Oh, I meant to ask, and will next visit, about laser treatments for reducing pore size. I am curious if it is effective.
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: Linde on April 10, 2019, 05:24:33 PM
Quote from: HappyMoni on April 10, 2019, 04:32:28 PM
It is a different laser. It didn't hurt but it stung a little for a few hours after. I have a dark area on my left check. She told me it was from sun damage from driving a car. I was like, "That makes sense!" Finally, I had the hair on my forearms lasered. This was the only thing that hurt. It is fine hair and not real dark, but I think if it was hurting, it must be doing something.


Oh, I meant to ask, and will next visit, about laser treatments for reducing pore size. I am curious if it is effective.
Yeserday I had a little revision on the sun damage spot on my left check (there was a little bit left from the last time).  We must have had spot siblings residing on our checks!
But just for fun I had them laser my pubic hair.  I want to have surgery, I may as well be working on that.!  It was not really that bad, less dramatic than I thought it would be.

I also had my eyebrows microbladed.  I never had much of them (another part of me not really growing much hair, except on the top of my head).  I now have real eyebrows with , what they call, tails and everything needed for the seven yards!  I have to admit that this process was a little on the painful side.
What an old woman does not all in the name of beauty!

I do not have any large pores, because I never got that grown-ups skin (never had a pimple in my life).  How do those large pore look like?  The only way I could imagine to eliminate them would be a rather deep resurfacing of your skin!
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: HappyMoni on April 15, 2019, 03:47:54 PM
Linde,
   They are just larger pores, and not real attractive. I am seeing slow progress with the skin treatment, but it takes a long time. I am happy with the dark spot laser. I had two spots near my eye and they just rubbed away. The area looks younger with them gone. I may need a second treatment on other spots. Refresh me on micro blading. It makes you look like you have hair?
Moni
I would do electrolysis for GCS. It is more permanent.
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: Linde on April 15, 2019, 06:28:49 PM
Quote from: HappyMoni on April 15, 2019, 03:47:54 PM
Linde,
    Refresh me on micro blading. It makes you look like you have hair?
Moni
I would do electrolysis for GCS. It is more permanent.
They use a scalpel like knife that can transfer some tattoo ink into the skin.  The make little cuts into you skin, and transferring the ink int it.  This way it looks like real hair is laying there.  My brows were relatively short and very blondish colored, and I had no visible tail toward the sides.  This is now there, and my brows look pretty real!  My new avatar pic shows how the brows are now pretty visible and pronounced.  The match the color close to the hair/skin color, to make it look as naturally as possible.  I never ever have to think about doing anything with my eyebrows again!
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: KimOct on April 16, 2019, 09:17:45 PM
Moni - Keep us updated on the pore treatment.  I could use some myself.
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: HappyMoni on May 19, 2019, 08:34:53 PM
Last month I had my trach shave scar redone. My facial surgeon used outdated methods for this and I ended up with a very obvious scar on my throat. It was my forth FFS revision surgery. Dr. Papel in Baltimore told me he thought he could made a significant improvement. I was worried at first, but it is definitely flattening out.  I post about this because of my part in flattening the scar. After getting some very hard scars elsewhere, I decided I would vigorously massage this scar. At first it was painful but now not so bad. I am breaking up anything that wants to harden into a hard scar. I have to say it is really working for me. I plan to continue more treatment with laser on my GCS  and BA scars and plan to massage them as well. The BA scars are newer and respond best to the laser. Thanks for fixing another doctors screw ups, Dr. Papel.
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: Linde on May 19, 2019, 11:03:02 PM
Quote from: HappyMoni on May 19, 2019, 08:34:53 PM
  I post about this because of my part in flattening the scar. After getting some very hard scars elsewhere, I decided I would vigorously massage this scar. At first it was painful but now not so bad. I am breaking up anything that wants to harden into a hard scar. I have to say it is really working for me.

Good to hear that your scar massage is working.  It needs some dedication and work involved.  But I can promise you the only indication of a scar that will be left is a thin line that could even blend in with the skin folds.

I had carpal tunnel surgery in both hands, which each caused a 2 1/4 long scar.  Nobody believes me that I had this surgery, I have to really point out to them the remainders of the scars!  Keep on going with the massaging, break up any hard scar tissue, and you will be very satisfied with the end result!
Hugs
Linde
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: HappyMoni on May 20, 2019, 08:32:40 PM
Thanks Linde, I can't believe that none of my surgeons ever recommended doing this. It works! It is so flat compared to a week ago. I massage twice a day then cover with silicone and then SPF.
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: Linde on May 20, 2019, 10:48:06 PM
Quote from: HappyMoni on May 20, 2019, 08:32:40 PM
Thanks Linde, I can't believe that none of my surgeons ever recommended doing this. It works! It is so flat compared to a week ago. I massage twice a day then cover with silicone and then SPF.
We discovered it in our lab, and went around, teaching it.  But many surgeons are not really interested in the looks of the scars.

If you could get a couple more sessions in per day, would be even better.
But keep on going until you can't see the scar anymore, unless you look very close for it.  You can do the same thing for the scars on your boobs, it could work even better, because there should be enough tissue that you could roll it between your fingers.

Good luck, pretty soon you will be the local beauty queen!
Hugs
Linde
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: HappyMoni on May 21, 2019, 05:10:53 PM
Quote from: Linde on May 20, 2019, 10:48:06 PM


Good luck, pretty soon you will be the local beauty queen!
Hugs
Linde

Ha ha, Senior division!

I just thought that this scar called out trach shave or maybe tracheotomy to someone who doesn't know that would be in the wrong place. Glad it is disappearing. It also was a reminder of all the trouble I have been through with this "surgeon" who did the FFS. I would recommend message to anyone. After all, if one has GCS, they preach dilation like crazy especially early on. If you don't, those scarring bonds set up and limit your width. I image it is a similar principle. My one lower GCS scar seems better after less than a week of message. Laser on top of that should make it much less noticeable. I go for laser next Tuesday. I think I might try it on a varicose vein or two. I'll report back. Thank you for the feedback Linde.
Title: Re: Skin care and transitioning
Post by: Linde on May 21, 2019, 05:19:12 PM
Quote from: HappyMoni on May 21, 2019, 05:10:53 PM
Ha ha, Senior division!

I just thought that this scar called out trach shave or maybe tracheotomy to someone who doesn't know that would be in the wrong place. Glad it is disappearing. It also was a reminder of all the trouble I have been through with this "surgeon" who did the FFS. I would recommend message to anyone. After all, if one has GCS, they preach dilation like crazy especially early on. If you don't, those scarring bonds set up and limit your width. I image it is a similar principle. My one lower GCS scar seems better after less than a week of message. Laser on top of that should make it much less noticeable. I go for laser next Tuesday. I think I might try it on a varicose vein or two. I'll report back. Thank you for the feedback Linde.
He, you are the psychologists for many here, once in a while the doc has to give you a few advises, too!
I really hope you can master the looks of your scars very well, I can't say much about the veins, we can strip them, and make new little scars that need massage!  >:-)