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Community Conversation => Transsexual talk => Male to female transsexual talk (MTF) => Topic started by: ChrissyRyan on December 22, 2018, 03:11:55 PM

Title: The biggest one or two things that make you perceived to be female
Post by: ChrissyRyan on December 22, 2018, 03:11:55 PM
Hi.

If you were to pick the biggest one or two things that cause you to be perceived as female by most people in your life more than anything else, would it be

Your clothing
Your body
Your hair
Your voice
Your makeup
Your jewelry
Your mannerisims
Your name, ID
Your way of relating with others
You outing yourself or having been outed by someone else
Or?
Title: Re: The biggest one or two things that make you perceived to be female
Post by: KathyLauren on December 22, 2018, 03:25:53 PM
Clothing, body (boobs, specifically), and name.
Title: Re: The biggest one or two things that make you perceived to be female
Post by: Harley Quinn on December 22, 2018, 03:33:10 PM
Your mannerisims, and your way of relating with others. Those are the big ones.
Title: Re: The biggest one or two things that make you perceived to be female
Post by: Arianna Valentine on December 22, 2018, 03:37:04 PM
I would have to say clothing and mannerisms

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Title: Re: The biggest one or two things that make you perceived to be female
Post by: Sky1090 on December 22, 2018, 03:48:15 PM
Definitely mannerisms and the way of relating to others. For me, makeup completes it. I'm a bit of a makeup addict


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Title: Re: The biggest one or two things that make you perceived to be female
Post by: Arianna Valentine on December 22, 2018, 03:50:13 PM
Quote from: Sky1090 on December 22, 2018, 03:48:15 PM
Definitely mannerisms and the way of relating to others. For me, makeup completes it. I'm a bit of a makeup addict


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It's funny I collect makeup I have tons of it I just don't wear it that often I even signed up for something called Ipsy that send you makeup products you pay $10 a month and they send you like 5 or 6 makeup products pretty sweet of course he usually their large trial sizes but that's okay I can deal with that

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Title: Re: The biggest one or two things that make you perceived to be female
Post by: Sonja on December 22, 2018, 03:56:59 PM
From slightly further away definitely hair and clothing I have been gendered female purely from this but from closer up people can see the details of your face and other visual clues that make them think otherwise.
Sonja

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Title: Re: The biggest one or two things that make you perceived to be female
Post by: Sky1090 on December 22, 2018, 03:57:51 PM
God I can't go out without makeup. Without it I see the remnants of what was once a beard. I do all of my makeup shopping at Sephora or Mac depending on who has the best deal at the time. I know it's expensive but it's totally worth it for me so I justify it


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Title: Re: The biggest one or two things that make you perceived to be female
Post by: Linde on December 22, 2018, 04:13:49 PM
For me it is hair, clothing and voice.  I can go without any problems as a male, just by changing my clothing, my hair, and lower my voice!
An hour later, I just change my clothing, the way I do my hair, and use my normal voice, and I am gendered correctly as a woman!
Title: Re: The biggest one or two things that make you perceived to be female
Post by: Lynne on December 22, 2018, 04:15:21 PM
Quote from: Sonja on December 22, 2018, 03:56:59 PM
From slightly further away definitely hair and clothing I have been gendered female purely from this but from closer up people can see the details of your face and other visual clues that make them think otherwise.
Sonja

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Yes, it really depends on the distance. There was a great writeup about this on a crossdressing site somewhere on the net at least a decade ago.
From far away, the only cues are body shape and movement and general shape of clothes. A little closer and more details of clothing and hair might be visible, then comes the face and in the end your mannerisms, voice and speech.

If you pass enough 'levels' in the eye of others as they get closer, their mind may ignore that your voice is not perfect for example as their brain already categorized you as female. But that does not guarantee that they won't try to reevaluate their views if they find that your voice really doesn't match your looks.
Title: Re: The biggest one or two things that make you perceived to be female
Post by: Lynne on December 22, 2018, 04:19:04 PM
I found that when I dress more andro, people expect a less feminine voice and I pass as a woman even when I'm not really trying to. But if I go all out, figure hugging clothes, makeup, high heels, etc.. people expect a more feminine voice.

I remember a trans guy who didn't realize I was trans when he first saw me at a trans support group meeting. He was really surprised when I started talking because the difference between my presentation and voice was just too big at the time. He described it as confusing.
Title: Re: The biggest one or two things that make you perceived to be female
Post by: DawnOday on December 22, 2018, 06:30:39 PM
Although breathtakingly beautiful? My boats for shoes, jumbo hands, 6'3" body and 210 lbs. reminds one more of Shrek, than a female hottie.  But my brain is now calm and accepting because the estradiol I take is infiltrating the brain that was formed on massive doses in utero.  If I were younger I would probably not be so accepting, but honestly I have no illusions I pass. So I try to be the best me I can. Sometimes it works sometimes not so much. Sometimes the old me creeps back in and I do my best to minimize the effects.
Title: Re: The biggest one or two things that make you perceived to be female
Post by: Maid Marion on December 22, 2018, 07:38:34 PM
Voice, body (petite, nearly hourglass figure), and mannerisms.  I got tired of male failing so I'm growing my hair out.  Now that it reaches my shoulders it seems like everyone holds the door for me.

Title: Re: The biggest one or two things that make you perceived to be female
Post by: Allison S on December 22, 2018, 07:41:18 PM
My curves, chubby cheeks, eyes, arched eyebrows, and short wavy/curly hair.

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Title: Re: The biggest one or two things that make you perceived to be female
Post by: IAmM on December 22, 2018, 09:55:38 PM
What I am sure it is not:
Makeup, I don't wear any.
Name, most of the world has no clue what my name is.

I don't understand outing yourself or having been outed by others. I don't know what that means in relation to your question.

(https://i.imgur.com/mkOdEhS.jpg)

Me right now.
I don't know, it could be all of the rest, or none. I don't know about my voice but no one seems to be put off by it at all. I love my hair, and I have often thought it was false advertising. Like a guy would see my hair and go,"Oooh!" then get a better look and go,"Aww!" My body is probably a wash, boobs and hips all okay but shoulders and back are a little large. With my height 5'10", I have no idea what people see when they look at me. Clothes and jewelry are unmistakably female. I don't know about my mannerisms.

Soooo, my hair clothes I guess.
Title: Re: The biggest one or two things that make you perceived to be female
Post by: Beverly Anne on December 22, 2018, 10:12:37 PM
Ah ha, I love this question. Look to the lips and the eyes. Number one - Lipstick. Flat chested girl? No problem. Lipstick. Adams Apple? No problem. Lipstick. Man hands? No problem. Lipstick. Number two is mascara. Pretty eyes and kissable lips make the girl. At the very worst you'll leave them saying "that poor girl looks like a dude!"  ;D
Title: Re: The biggest one or two things that make you perceived to be female
Post by: Northern Star Girl on December 22, 2018, 10:13:18 PM
Quote from: ChrissyRyan on December 22, 2018, 03:11:55 PM
Hi.

If you were to pick the biggest one or two things that cause you to be perceived as female by most people in your life more than anything else, would it be

Your clothing
Your body
Your hair
Your voice
Your makeup
Your jewelry
Your mannerisims
Your name, ID
Your way of relating with others
You outing yourself or having been outed by someone else
Or?


@ChrissyRyan
Dear Chrissy:
All the things that you listed are indeed very important...
...they all work together to make a convincing presentation as a woman.

However, since you asked for us to pick just ONE or TWO...  I guess I will have to choose.

       1. Voice (and speaking with an uptick)
       2. Body (including boobs, curves and facial appearance)

Danielle