We have been politically neutral on this site, that changes now. You are free to openly condemn political parties and politicians and their policies that have a history of targeting the transgender and LGBTQIA community for hate, bigotry, discrimination. Doing so is hereby exempted from TOS 10 until further notice.
If you wish to express your support for those policies, parties and politicians take it to another web site. It is not welcome here. (TOS 9)
If this makes anyone feel unwelcome I am sorry but the Republican Party has declared open war on the transgender community, and this is the start of our response.
Members of this site are still fully prohibited from attacking other members no matter their political affiliations.
Good Susan, they have declared war on our existence. It is beyond question. I do hope we can be respectful to each other.
I really like the idea of being about to speak freely without all of the fluff. It is difficult something to state my position while remaining neutral. I believe that it makes my post sound indecisive and that I'm supporting the current Administration.
I will have to remember to remain tactful.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
- Martin Niemöller
Thank you!
After what I read in the New York Times, Thank You.
Thank you!
It's good to know there's a safe place to vent about these people.
+1
Yes. That is a necessary change.
Thank you. This needs to be discussed and it would be difficult to do so without getting politics involved.
I have voted Republican since I registered to vote at age 18. However, I can no longer support the Republican party. Donald Trump is a puppet for those who would exclude certain groups of people. In coming to terms with my transgender nature, I realized just how much hate their is for what I am. It's not just hate for trans people, it's hate for anyone they disagree with. The way they treat us, immigrants and LBG communities is just wrong and I like many of you have had enough.
I've stayed before in my previous posts that I have deep religious beliefs. I know that many Christian's think they are doing the right thing by excluding the groups I mentioned, but they fail to realize their job here on earth is to love not only those who agree with then, but also those who they disagree with. The same is suppose to be true for politics, but sadly it is not. This seems to be the case on both sides. What happened to disagreeing civilly? What happened to respecting others opinions and beliefs? The political hostility that both parties exhibit towards each other has just gotten out of hand. I'm worried for the future of our country. With so many countries out there willing to sow strife and make subtle attacks against the US we really need to find some common ground.
Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness... what does my happiness have to do with anyone else? I'm not asking these people to be my friend or be in my life in any way shape or form. I have a fundamental right to pursue what makes me happy as long as it doesn't take that right from someone else. How is me asking to be treated as an equal to Cisgender people so bad? I'm human. I have feelings. I have rights. Why can't anti trans supporters understand this? If they can deny us rights, they can deny anyone rights. When are the supporters of the politicians pushing this crap going to wake up and realize this?
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About time.
Ms complete I'm sure the Republicans here are welcome to defend what their party has been working towards since Regan.
Quote from: Complete on October 21, 2018, 09:09:37 PM
How, pray tell, can this be "discussed" if only one side is represented? I think this is called group think or...an echo chamber. 😦😡😬😬😂😬😕😕😕😀😱😱😱😲😵
One side seeks our removal from public life as a minimum, pushing towards involuntary commitment and "repartative therapy". The other side of the debate seeks to let us live.
My life is NOT up for debate. My EXISTENCE is not up for debate.
Consider the Jewish population at this date exactly 80 years ago. They had been informed that their papers would no longer be valid several days ago. Krystallnacht was a few weeks in their future. Exactly who in the synagogue was debating for the government position?
The side of the debate opposed to our freedoms explicitly states that transgender is not real, that this is a mental illness, and greets any argument we might make that we are real with an infinite chain of 'prove it' demands. A debate of this form is fundamentally unwinnable, and we are refusing to engage in that.
https://youtu.be/yCxqdhZkxCo
We need to unite, we need to stop the arguing among ourselves, the policing of PC also has to be paused. If we do not, it WILL be the end of us.
I am sorry what all of you in the usa are going through. I personally can't believe it I cant think of one good thing that he is doing He is hurting millions of people per day when is this going to end. The usa is the most powerful nation and it is hurting its people well as Robert de Niro said " #@#@ Trump ". We all have to stick together and fight for to maintain your rights your life and your freedom it is sad it has come to this. You have the support from here in canada
Quote from: Complete on October 21, 2018, 11:45:30 PM
Due to the recent dictates of the powers that be, l must respectfully decline to respond on the grounds that it could get me banned, (again).😬😬😬😬😬
I fear the same, but I've been banned before, and probably will again.
We must speak for what we believe, and trust that the staff is mature enough to set their personal feelings aside and prevent members from making personal attacks on other members.
I'm republican and will continue to be. I vote for the party of fiscal responsibility and smaller government. Let's not forget it was republicans who freed the slaves from democratic party beliefs. Parties change, and they will continue to change in the future.
If we can learn anything from the Obama administration, it is the need to reach across the aisle and work across government to enact change. The man failed miserably in this regard. He cited obstructionism and resorted to executive orders time and time again, knowing full well that those would be easily overturned when he left office.
Take heart, NC tried this type of nonsense. Business and social pressure extracted a great price from them. Progress is on our side. :)
Hugs, Devlyn
Quote from: Devlyn on October 22, 2018, 01:22:33 AM
I fear the same, but I've been banned before, and probably will again.
We must speak for what we believe, and trust that the staff is mature enough to set their personal feelings aside and prevent members from making personal attacks on other members.
I'm republican and will continue to be. I vote for the party of fiscal responsibility and smaller government. Let's not forget it was republicans who freed the slaves from democratic party beliefs. Parties change, and they will continue to change in the future.
If we can learn anything from the Obama administration, it is the need to reach across the aisle and work across government to enact change. The man failed miserably in this regard. He cited obstructionism and resorted to executive orders time and time again, knowing full well that those would be easily overturned when he left office.
Take heart, NC tried this type of nonsense. Business and social pressure extracted a great price from them. Progress is on our side. :)
Hugs, Devlyn
Those "things" are not worth my life, freedom, or existence. I REFUSE to give you (or any other Republican) the opportunity to put things into motion that will cause my destruction and I'm not alone in that. Just remember that when they come for me, they WILL come for you as well. You are NOT safe.
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Quote from: PhoenixGurl2016 on October 22, 2018, 01:26:49 AM
Those "things" are not worth my life, freedom, or existence. I REFUSE to give you (or any other Republican) the opportunity to put things into motion that will cause my destruction and I'm not alone in that. Just remember that when they come for me, they WILL come for you as well. You are NOT safe.
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That sounds a lot like the victim card. They came for Rosa Parks...and racial equality became law.
Quote from: Complete on October 21, 2018, 09:09:37 PM
How, pray tell, can this be "discussed" if only one side is represented? I think this is called group think or...an echo chamber. 😦😡😬😬😂😬😕😕😕😀😱😱😱😲😵
So true.
As an aside, wouldn't it be a good idea to restrict this new site policy to just this one thread, so that partisan politics doesn't ruin every thread on the site? I can see this new policy devolving into every disagreement ending with "What are you, some kind of republican?"
Quote from: Devlyn on October 22, 2018, 01:30:37 AM
That sounds a lot like the victim card. They came for Rosa Parks...and racial equality became law.
That sounds like ignorance to me. You don't get to be a minority and not care about you and your kind. You don't get to risk our lives because they have not come for you. I refuse to be victimized by one of my own kind's ignorance.
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Quote from: PhoenixGurl2016 on October 22, 2018, 01:36:56 AM
That sounds like ignorance to me. You don't get to be a minority and not care about you and your kind. You don't get to risk our lives because they have not come for you. I refuse to be victimized by one of my own kind's ignorance.
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Quote from: Susan on October 21, 2018, 03:15:17 PM
We have been politically neutral on this site, that changes now. You are free to openly condemn political parties and politicians and their policies that have a history of targeting the transgender and LGBTQIA community for hate, bigotry, discrimination. Doing so is hereby exempted from TOS 10 until further notice.
If you wish to express your support for those policies, parties and politicians take it to another web site. It is not welcome here. (TOS 9)
If this makes anyone feel unwelcome I am sorry but the Republican Party has declared open war on the transgender community, and this is the start of our response.
Members of this site are still fully prohibited from attacking other members no matter their political affiliations.
I'm playing by the rules, won't you? :)
Quote from: Devlyn on October 22, 2018, 01:40:19 AM
I'm playing by the rules, won't you? :)
I'm not attacking you, I'm attacking your politics. Transitioning has opened my eyes and I refuse to not acknowledge who I am because I don't have to deal with something when it will affect others like me which in turn will affect me. I don't have the time for politics that will strip that away from me because "it's good for the economy." I am human, I have rights, and I refuse to be victimized because a party doesn't acknowledge me as a such.
Ignorance of such is why things are happening and the "war" isn't just about us. Look around, I mean REALLY look around.
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Quote from: PhoenixGurl2016 on October 22, 2018, 01:50:07 AM
I'm not attacking you, I'm attacking your politics. Transitioning has opened my eyes and I refuse to not acknowledge who I am because I don't have to deal with something when it will affect others like me which in turn will affect me. I don't have the time for politics that will strip that away from me because "it's good for the economy." I am human, I have rights, and I refuse to be victimized because a party doesn't acknowledge me as a such.
Ignorance of such is why things are happening and the "war" isn't just about us. Look around, I mean REALLY look around.
I have. I see the world on my side. I am looking at the big picture, I'm not restricting my view to this one moment.
As I presume most people will know by now that I am an Australian and hence neutral in my opinion as Forum Administrator as far as USA politics. Or at least I do not discuss my opinion here.
Yes I do not want my friends, colleagues and people that I admire and love victimised or denigrated by any government sanction or circumstance but I do stand for free speech as far as the Terms of Service of this Forum will allow.
People are able to present their discussion as long as it is civil, does not denigrate, contain foul language or insult other members.
I am very aware that emotions are running hot and that is never a good platform for discussion so I will give some latitude but please do not take advantage of that to insult or fight each other. I think our USA members have enough to worry about than to fight amongst each other.
I will give people a 24-48 hour time out if they get over-heated.
So please maintain civility and discuss without personal attack.
Cindy
Quote from: Devlyn on October 22, 2018, 01:56:50 AM
I have. I see the world on my side. I am looking at the big picture, I'm not restricting my view to this one moment.
So the bigger picture is the damnation of people like you and me, of cis women's medical treatment, of family being kept apart, of the damaging of this climate, of relationship with corrupted officials, inspiring hate filled groups, leaving natural disaster residents without aid, etc, etc, etc and all for what the economy? I am sorry no. My rights and the rights of those people don't surpass that. This route is not the only one the government could take, but it is the most damaging and I will not be a footnote. I will not be ignorant of where we are in history right now.
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I have always valued this site for the position it took in taking the higher ground, even in regard of those that might not always deserve it. I do hope this change does not bring it down to the level of many others, I have no desire to partake in mud-slinging contests.
The reality is that despite the ebbs and flows of politics and social agendas, the theme of society over the last 1000 years has been one of an inexorable move towards liberalism and personal freedom; as levels of personal education, knowledge and awareness have eroded the power of the elite.
I personally work to raise understanding and build relationships among the cisgender community (aka society) rather than form any self-enforced ghetto.
I will look forward to a time when hopefully this site policy change may be reversed.
Megan.
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The trend towards progress has not been consistent over the course of history. The Romans were a step backwards from the Greeks; the monarchs, nobility, and theocratic tendencies of the medieval periods were a step back from the Romans. The world in 1938 was panicked and unenlightened, far from the progress that had been made by 1928.
Sometimes, a move backwards may only be a little bump in the road, a temporary slide into more primitive modes of thinking, but those "little bumps" can be dangerous for people like us. A temporary shift in site policies to reflect that danger is appropriate.
Megan, in general, I agree with your view as stated, with the exception of the claim that knowledge and awareness will continue to erode the power of those who seek to harm us. It depends somewhat on where we live, and on the social class we're born into, but as a society the US is less educated than most other developed nations. Misinformation is common in this era. We live in a society where many see science, educators, and newspapers as political and fraudulent, while accepting unsupported claims by politicians, celebrities, and internet personalities. In these times, even knowledge itself has come under attack.
The only way to reverse that new trend is for people like us to stand against it. If society continues to improve after this, it will be because we did our part to change it. Change does not happen on its own, it is not our immutable destiny. Change only happens when people make it happen, and right now, we are those people.
Quote from: Susan on October 21, 2018, 03:15:17 PM
We have been politically neutral on this site, that changes now. You are free to openly condemn political parties and politicians and their policies that have a history of targeting the transgender and LGBTQIA community for hate, bigotry, discrimination. Doing so is hereby exempted from TOS 10 until further notice.
If you wish to express your support for those policies, parties and politicians take it to another web site. It is not welcome here. (TOS 9)
If this makes anyone feel unwelcome I am sorry but the Republican Party has declared open war on the transgender community, and this is the start of our response.
Members of this site are still fully prohibited from attacking other members no matter their political affiliations.
QuoteI'm republican and will continue to be. I vote for the party of fiscal responsibility and smaller government. Let's not forget it was republicans who freed the slaves from democratic party beliefs.
As I mentioned in another thread, it's not about Republican vs Democrat. It's about a disgraceful administration and those that support it. The Republican party used to be respectable, but it has been hijacked over the past several years, by those who disregard the rights of others.
I have a real problem with those who stand by their party, even when that party is clearly the cause of so many problems, as it is now.
I get that you may not agree with or wish to support the other party but what I dont understand is how someone can support a political party that is attempting to deny your right to exist just to appease a faction of it base.
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As someone who tries to think critically, I see this new policy as enabling the most vocal on the left to have free license to attack their opponents and those attacked will be punished if they defend themselves because they have effectively been told they are allowed no voice.
Quote from: amandam on October 22, 2018, 09:55:32 AM
As someone who tries to think critically, I see this new policy as enabling the most vocal on the left to have free license to attack their opponents and those attacked will be punished if they defend themselves because they have effectively been told they are allowed no voice.
If that is how you feel you don't understand. My suggestion is if you feel that way simply stay away from political discussions for the time being. You aren't allowed a voice on this web site on political issues if you support the right side of the political spectrum at this time. When they stop attacking the trans and LGBTQIA community that will change. Until then go argue your points on the sites dedicated to those points of view, but make sure you tell them you are trans see how you get treated there.
Someone attacking the actions of political parties or politicians is not the same as them attacking you though through the cognitive dissonance some of you are operating on it may feel the same, but it's not.
Any politically partisan posts in any of my threads will result in me deleting the ENTIRE thread, I WILL NOT tolerate biggotry in my own threads the like of which I'm already witnessing on this site elsewhere.
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Thank you, Susan, for allowing us to mention political hatred.
As much as I despise the Democrats, I don't think there's any other choice but to implement this policy here. The Republicans are blatantly anti-trans and no one who claims to be for trans-rights should vote for them. We already have numerous other rules against supporting anti-trans ideaology, and they exist for a reason.
Just please remember that the Democrats are still awful and need to be reformed, and they don't actually care about us; they've only started supporting us in the last couple years when they can use support for trans-rights in order to gain favor. If we don't clean our own house, we're doomed.
I would love to see America become a country with at least 4 parties that stand a chance governing the country. I am sick and tired of conservatives telling me to shut up because my opinion means nothing. I am also sick and tired of liberals telling me I should never be allowed to defend myself if assaulted. Yet, neither side recognizes the existence of the middle of the road people, whom make up the majority. It's not that I hate either side. I hate the extremists, and Trump is giving me more than enough reason to hate him.
At least, for now, the conservatives on this site won't be having my political opinion removed, based on the fact that they don't like anyone saying anything against their political ideologies.
Pity it cames to this, but understandable.
For those who disagree I can say that: there wasn't equal rights for everyone from the beginning. That site protect us from racial and national hatred, from gender, age and etc discrimination, and now it just protecting it members from hurting their feelings by supporting those who wan't cut them from existance. Deal with it.
Quote from: Devlyn on October 22, 2018, 01:30:37 AM
That sounds a lot like the victim card. They came for Rosa Parks...and racial equality became law.
As long as we can keep it... Laws can be changed... Which party do you think the people behind question 3 belong to?
How any T* can support the party of Trump is beyond me... Gone are the days of principled republican leaders....
- karen
I have been very liberal all my life. In fact I used to be a political activist and ran for office (and won). I thought that I was able to retire from my active political life, until now.
We have to doe everything that the blue wave floats the scum out of office this fall!
since this yellow ape is in office, all achievements of years are gone. Now that the supreme court is stacked with his puppets, we can only help to get them out by getting out the vote. I volunteered to drive voters to the polls to make sure anybody who wants to, can vote!
Please think about what you can do. They always need election supervisors to make sure the the repucs do not pull a fast one!
Go volunteer and see what you can do. They can use all hands and feet to make sure the blue wave comes!
Quote from: Michelle_P on October 21, 2018, 10:46:12 PM
One side seeks our removal from public life as a minimum, pushing towards involuntary commitment and "repartative therapy". The other side of the debate seeks to let us live.
My life is NOT up for debate. My EXISTENCE is not up for debate.
Consider the Jewish population at this date exactly 80 years ago. They had been informed that their papers would no longer be valid several days ago. Krystallnacht was a few weeks in their future. Exactly who in the synagogue was debating for the government position?
The side of the debate opposed to our freedoms explicitly states that transgender is not real, that this is a mental illness, and greets any argument we might make that we are real with an infinite chain of 'prove it' demands. A debate of this form is fundamentally unwinnable, and we are refusing to engage in that.
https://youtu.be/yCxqdhZkxCo
You are so very right! My mother was one of the Jews who was in a a camp but my dads father could buy her out because she was married to an "Aryan". I would not be here if my grandfather would not have had the money to do that "purchase" how many mothers died because the money was not available?
One always has to remember the poem of Pastor Martin Niemöller:
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
I'm not trying to derail this thread, BUT things are pretty bad when the FLOTUS resigns. I mean seriously? What is next a divorce? Just WOW everyone.
Is "Stormy" going to be the new First Lady. Foreign relations may improve with some countries.
Quote from: gingerViktorKay on October 22, 2018, 07:12:36 PM
I'm not trying to derail this thread, BUT things are pretty bad when the FLOTUS resigns. I mean seriously? What is next a divorce? Just WOW everyone.
Is "Stormy" going to be the new First Lady. Foreign relations may improve with some countries.
Say what?
Isos, I am nonplussed.
Quote from: Dietlind on October 22, 2018, 06:09:39 PM
Go volunteer and see what you can do. They can use all hands and feet to make sure the blue wave comes!
Is this what they mean by "
the silent majority"?
I think I hear the sound of crickets chirping!
Susan is Royal Majesty, Our Queen of Everything and will respect her wishes
*on pain of treason*! Suspect been watching too much 'Reign", am still early into season two. Mary, Queen of Scots, despite good intentions and alliance to Catholic France, eventually lost her own country as her Mother, threatened by popular mob rule, had to flee Edinburgh Castle !
Quote from: gingerViktorKay on October 22, 2018, 07:12:36 PM
I'm not trying to derail this thread, BUT things are pretty bad when the FLOTUS resigns. I mean seriously? What is next a divorce? Just WOW everyone.
Is "Stormy" going to be the new First Lady. Foreign relations may improve with some countries.
She has not resigned (though it would be nice if she did) If you go this "news" from Patheos's Laughing in Disbelief written by Andrew Hall you were reading a satire. That was all I could find saying she resigned.
Laurie
Quote from: Susan on October 22, 2018, 10:01:14 AM
If that is how you feel you don't understand. My suggestion is if you feel that way simply stay away from political discussions for the time being. You aren't allowed a voice on this web site on political issues if you support the right side of the political spectrum at this time. When they stop attacking the trans and LGBTQIA community that will change. Until then go argue your points on the sites dedicated to those points of view, but make sure you tell them you are trans see how you get treated there.
Someone attacking the actions of political parties or politicians is not the same as them attacking you though through the cognitive dissonance some of you are operating on it may feel the same, but it's not.
Well Susan, on other sites I go to, such as gun sites, there are trans and gay members who have their politics attacked, but, they still have a voice on those sites. The Republicans say that the first thing the left tries to shut down is free speech, ala antifa, to quiet those who would disagree with them . Banning my political speech means I have less rights than my liberal friends here. I understand your anger, but, is this really what you want to do? I will abide by your decision, but hope you change your mind.
Quote from: amandam on October 23, 2018, 08:22:40 PM
Well Susan, on other sites I go to, such as gun sites, there are trans and gay members who have their politics attacked, but, they still have a voice on those sites. The Republicans say that the first thing the left tries to shut down is free speech, ala antifa, to quiet those who would disagree with them . Banning my political speech means I have less rights than my liberal friends here. I understand your anger, but, is this really what you want to do? I will abide by your decision, but hope you change your mind.
I agree, Amandam. So sad.
I left other trans sites because of fighting, politics and just generally childish behavior. My life is already hell and stress from many other issues in my life. I was looking for a quiet, peaceful place to read about others' thoughts and life stories and, only occasionally, add my little two-cents worth. It seems even the little bit of joy and learning I sometimes get here is now lost. Anyway, I am in the process of shutting down here and moving on.
Again, so sad.....
Yaya!! This is great. The Republican Party needs to be held accountable
@amandam @Shellie Hart Well, the problem I have with doing the 'fair and balanced' thing, presenting both the Republican platform variations and their Heratige Foundation and Family Values Council base arguments is that it sets us up for a debate weighted very heavily against us.
TRIGGER WARNING - Trans invalidation arguments
If we look at the arguments from the 'other side', they have a few core tenets. First, 'transgender' is not a real thing, but merely a mental illness. Second, gender dysphoria and related issues, including depression, anxiety, and suicidal tendencies are all symptoms of the same mental illness. Third, gender is merely another name for biological sex as assigned at birth.
Starting from such premises on the opposing side is rather like holding a discussion on the Space program, with equal time being granted to the Flat Earth Society.
If such a discussion is held, there will be an infinite series of 'prove it' demands from the opposition, as we retrace over 150 years of research into gender, sex, and identity from psychology, neuropsych, neuroendocrine, cytology, and embryology perspectives. Note that the lack of scientific education on the part of the general public will make it extremely difficult for them to follow the discussions, and the innate distrust of much of the population for science in favor of cultural commonalities will render the discussion moot.
I suppose if someone was really interested in doing this, or in discussing the space program with the Flat Earth Society, that one could use any of the free blogging sites to host the discussion.
Susan doesn't want it here. Her servers, her home, her rules.
Quote from: Laurie on October 23, 2018, 05:53:33 PM
She has not resigned (though it would be nice if she did) If you go this "news" from Patheos's Laughing in Disbelief written by Andrew Hall you were reading a satire. That was all I could find saying she resigned.
Laurie
This speaks volumes about the entire administration.
(https://i.imgur.com/nfti79L.jpg)
edit: I want to add that I am not damning her for wearing the jacket. Maybe she is sending a not so subtle message to the American people.
As far as "free speech" goes, I'll point out that this site is specifically a transgender support resource. As such, it's well within the bounds of reason to ban statements of support for transphobic polticians here. I would not necessarily support such a ban elsewhere; context and scope are key.
The political system is broken in the USA. We only hear about extreme positions.
I am over a barrel on voting anymore as we have both political parties double down
on increasingly extreme positions. George Carlin pointed out how this increasing
divisiveness may be part of a grander plan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeQdpLlIjl0 (google search George Carlin on Dividing)
Quote from: MistressStevie on October 23, 2018, 11:11:01 PM
The political system is broken in the USA. We only hear about extreme positions.
I am over a barrel on voting anymore as we have both political parties double down
on increasingly extreme positions. George Carlin pointed out how this increasing
divisiveness may be part of a grander plan.
Sadly enough there are groups of gay and lesbian people who do not accept transgender people. The division is already here.
A house divided against itself will not stand.
For all the conservatives complaining about the loss of their privilege to promote a political party that:
1. promotes transphobia.
2. wants to erase us from official existence.
3. whose leader/s benefit politically from playing the transgender card, demonizing us as a menace and winning votes from transphobes for doing so.
4. working to ban transgender people from military service (one of the few paths left in American society for working class kids to learn a skill and get upward mobility).
5. ban us from using the bathrooms that correspond to our gender identity.
6. prohibits officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention from using the word "transgender" in official documents.
7. I won't even mention the effect all these policies will have on further marginalizing trans kids. KIDS FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!!!
I would challenge you to read this thread that was posted way back on March 13, 2017 titled:
"Republicans and the transgender community"
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,221058.msg1957304.html#msg1957304
The list is long, dreary, and only getting longer.
All this from an administration that has already shown a remorseless, willingness and ability to put kids in cages.
Seriously!!! How bad does it have to get before transgender Republicans wake up and realize they are the proverbial chickens voting for Colonel Sanders?
Quote from: Devlyn on October 22, 2018, 01:56:50 AM
I have. I see the world on my side. I am looking at the big picture, I'm not restricting my view to this one moment.
Devlyn, let me ask two questions. 1. Are you still in England? 2. Do you plan on coming back anytime soon?
Quote from: Janes Groove on October 23, 2018, 11:37:15 PM
For all the conservatives complaining about the loss of their privilege to promote a political party that:
1. promotes transphobia.
2. wants to erase us from official existence.
3. whose leader/s benefit politically from playing the transgender card, demonizing us as a menace and winning votes from transphobes for doing so.
4. working to ban transgender people from military service (one of the few paths left in American society for working class kids to learn a skill and get upward mobility).
5. ban us from using the bathrooms that correspond to our gender identity.
6. prohibits officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention from using the word "transgender" in official documents.
7. I won't even mention the effect all these policies will have on further marginalizing trans kids. KIDS FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!!!
I would challenge you to read this thread that was posted way back on March 13, 2017 titled:
"Republicans and the transgender community"
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,221058.msg1957304.html#msg1957304
The list is long, dreary, and only getting longer.
All this from an administration that has already shown a remorseless, willingness and ability to put kids in cages.
Seriously!!! How bad does it have to get before transgender Republicans wake up and realize they are the proverbial chickens voting for Colonel Sanders?
Sadly some of them will not
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Quote from: Devlyn on October 24, 2018, 02:43:40 AM
Society and capitalism are on our side, LGBTIQ money is just as good as evangelical money. LGBTIQ skills in the workforce are as valid as anyone else's. This is the future, the tide has turned. The free market has outpaced our sad system of government where the players have rigged their way into lifetime positions.
I believe what I say. I believe we are safe, in the hands of society, not in the hands of government.[/color]
Hugs, Devlyn
Interesting, when Donald Trump won the election I had a conversation with my dad and stated my opinion as - america is run by business interests a lot more than government, businesses in the USA are not driven by the same methods and thinking as the government, I think the people who are very upset over this will come to realize this is not actually the end of the world at all and Trump will end up looking less powerful than people think he is.
Businesses in the USA are practical and pragmatic, hatefulness takes up too much time and energy, which is why most for profit businesses will avoid it. But I think Trump has really tainted the US presidency and made it look cheap and tacky with these short term maneuvers.
just my opinion.
Sonja.
I certainly don't think the right-wing society I grew up in has our back. That's why we need government protections.
Quote from: gingerViktorKay on October 23, 2018, 11:19:40 PM
Sadly enough there are groups of gay and lesbian people who do not accept transgender people. The division is already here.
A house divided against itself will not stand.
It gets worse, there is a group of transgender people who consider anybody, who did not transition in childhood as not real trans. If you ever used your sexual organ to create a child, you cannot be transgender I was told. I am only a horny old guy who jumps the transgender bandwagon to be ale to spy on the transgender people and get high on this!!
That is what I was told (not in this group, though). How can you expect lesbians or gay people to react different if there is a transgender police out there who decides who is transgender and who not?
QuotegingerViktorKay on Yesterday at 11:19:40 pm
Sadly enough there are groups of gay and lesbian people who do not accept transgender people. The division is already here.
A house divided against itself will not stand
Quote from: Dietlind on October 24, 2018, 07:28:45 AM
It gets worse, there is a group of transgender people who consider anybody, who did not transition in childhood as not real trans. If you ever used your sexual organ to create a child, you cannot be transgender I was told. I am only a horny old guy who jumps the transgender bandwagon to be ale to spy on the transgender people and get high on this!!
That is what I was told (not in this group, though). How can you expect lesbians or gay people to react different if there is a transgender police out there who decides who is transgender and who not?
I'm sorry, I get tired of hearing this. You think LGB aren't perfect allies today? Some feminists are terfy?
Try 20 years ago. Terf was the mainstream of feminist thinking and the Advocate was running editorials about why LGB must not accept adding "T". Today the mainstream is intersectionality, the LGBT movement is certainly more unified than not.
Don't like that some younger trans people are wary of older? Locally a few months ago, I kid you not someone apparently trans created a Meetup group named "young s[word not allowed on Susan's] or mtf transgender". The name and group description could not have felt more icky and was clearly attracting pervs interested in trans women.
If I were teen or twenty something I wouldn't have to see many of those to conclude that older trans women are something to avoid. Welcome to gender politics, it happens, move along.
Yes, as we become more visible there's some backlash and (minority) terfs are becoming vocal in some places. My experience has been the LGBT and feminist communities are far more welcoming than they used to be.
Elite separate themselves in every group, guess it's humanity trait. And since transgenders are humans, well, we have such persons who consider themselves "true" in our numbers too. So, basically, there's nothing unusual.