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Title: Left-Hand Path Religions
Post by: Satyrane on October 19, 2014, 08:50:01 PM
I was wonder if anyone else here has had experience with or is currently a part of Left-Hand Path religions such as Daemonolatry, Luciferianism, and the different denominations of Satanism.

I'm a daemonolator, a hermetic tradition which I like to describe as a polytheistic, pantheistic form of Satanism (not all daemonolators see themselves as Satanists but I see myself as one). I view Satan as the adversarial force in the universe that animates life, and I worship the daemons as different manifestations of Satan and Great Nature.

I have grown immensely as a person since I began my practice including learning to accept my transgender nature. I don't really talk about it because I like to keep the secular and the religious separate (a holdover from my years as an atheist), and it's quite frankly no ones business. However, at times it does feel alienating when everyone around you is talking about their faith and going to social events about it, and I have to hold my peace and practice with no interaction with anyone in the occult community or at the very least the pagan community. I also worry that because trans folk are demonized (pun intended) so much by society, I will be seen as a liability by our community for being a theistic Satanist.

I also encourage people of non Left-Hand Path belief systems to comment. I would like to know you're perspective on these religions, if you've ever interacted with a practitioner, or how you feel knowing that people like me are among the ranks of the trans community.
Title: Re: Left-Hand Path Religions
Post by: Gothic Dandy on October 20, 2014, 11:18:38 PM
Well hello there.  >:-)

Most in-person meetings I've had with self-described Satanists haven't been pleasant, so I don't describe myself as one, although I do technically fall under the LHP umbrella. Feel free to PM me if you'd like to chat about this stuff.

I differentiate between daemons (the ancient Greek concept) and demons (the Christian/Western occult concept). Do most d(a)emonolators think of these as the same type of being? I don't know much about this branch of occultism.

I've learned that daemons are something like spirit guides or guardian angels, personal companions who are somewhere between the world of humans and the world of Gods. That's really oversimplified, but...
Title: Re: Left-Hand Path Religions
Post by: Eevee on October 20, 2014, 11:38:57 PM
Quote from: Gothic Dandy Luca on October 20, 2014, 11:18:38 PM
I differentiate between daemons (the ancient Greek concept) and demons (the Christian/Western occult concept). Do most d(a)emonolators think of these as the same type of being? I don't know much about this branch of occultism.
I don't follow any religion, but I do study mythology (including more current religions) through art history. As I see it, a lot of the Christian and other Western faith concepts like demons were birthed through Greek and Roman (same thing really) mythological concepts. All that really changed over the years is the imagery attached to the older beliefs. A lot of older things just got tacked onto newer beliefs with a skewed image and definition. Taking it from that angle, I could see demons and daemons being the same thing. Many things go back to the same roots.
Title: Re: Left-Hand Path Religions
Post by: Satyrane on October 22, 2014, 07:27:24 PM
Yep, you both hit the nail on the head. We use the Greek understanding of Daemon, which is a guiding spirit replete with wisdom. We acknowledge the cultural evolution of these spirits, and how it effected our faith. We choose to worship these spirits because they represent the darker side of Nature that we don't understand and we could learn greatly from. There can be risks working with but they are ultimately benign, morally neutral, and mostly only want respect.

Luca, I am not surprised the Satanists that you've met have left a sour after taste. It seems that many of use come into the religion with a preexisting condition of douchebaggery. It's partially potent with the atheistic ones thanks to the heaping dose of Objectivism Anton LaVey threw in. Theistic Satanists can be p annoying too since some of them are militant about their version of Satanism is the best on. All and all, we're pretty sectarian with an unfortunate amount of jerks. That's why a like the path of Daemonolatry so much: it likes to do its own thing without bothering anyone, and focuses on self-development above anyone else.

I'd love to chat with you more, Luca. I'm sure to PM you once I have 15 posts under my belt. :D
Title: Re: Left-Hand Path Religions
Post by: Gothic Dandy on October 31, 2014, 08:01:40 AM
Oh, I forgot you need a certain amount of posts to PM.  My bad.

The way you describe daemons is somewhat akin to how some Pagans view faeries. I find it amazing how, even throughout history, people come up with different ways to describe similar concepts. (Of course I acknowledge that daemonolatry is its own unique path and I respect that.)

It's true that demon comes from the root word "daemon" (what Eevee said), but I have to make the distinction because some Pagans have daemons in the classical sense. Myself included. At some point it's probably just a matter of semantics, though. A lot of things are like that.

As for me, I'm currently Wiccan with a Luciferian philosophy (and boy would most Pagans flip out if they heard that one). I'm the kind of Luciferian who distinguishes between Lucifer and Satan, which is the real reason why I don't think I'm a Satanist. Satan is like our primal urges, and Lucifer is like enlightenment and intelligence, rising above our animalistic desires. Not that they're bad, it's just...we're humans and are capable of great things if we apply ourselves and don't always give in to temptation and indulgence. Which kind of sounds like Objectivism. I should really probably read LaVey's book one day.

Title: Re: Left-Hand Path Religions
Post by: Ev on November 02, 2014, 08:40:03 AM
I am going to come out and say that I am a Satanist.  However, since Satanism is a philosophy that is based heavily on the individual, please do not let me be the "say-all" represenative for ANY other Satanist out there or even the CoS.  I am a proud red-card holder but am not an agent or priest, so if you have any questions about the Church please go to the website instead of asking me anything directly.  The Devil can explain himself better than I ever could.  If you have any questions to ask me about me that isn't a passive-aggressive/indirect way to get answers about the Church, I can answer those.  I can go on about me for a long time hahahaha.

I myself don't go around and flaunt that I am a Satanist, but when asked I usually won't deny it.  Many other Satanists aren't as open as I am about their affiliation for a variety of reasons: the biggest one (in the US) is for proffessional concerns, as it can be career suicide in certain fields.  I myself am a retired vet, so I have a little more freedom to step up where many cannot as there is no concern over me losing a job.  Anyone who comes into this thread is probably not going to be the "average Joe" so I don't object to outing myself here.

As far as Satanists being unpleasant, well, if they are in someone else's lair...like, say, Susan's...and they are grade-A >-bleeped-<s, they are committing a Satanic Sin.  An internet domain IS STILL someone else's lair, as they spend the time and money to maintain it.  I want to reach out and slap people who are ungrateful to their virtual hosts and the guests, as it is not their home and if they don't like the way things are or the people in it, they should just leave.

I am a Satanist for my own reasons, but I am sure it would sound a lot like "someone else's" reasons as well so there is no reason for me to explain my...uh...reasons.  Instead, I let my accomplishments do the talking for the most part.  What you read on the internet is too easy to fake, so I expect you to even approach me with scrutiny with your BS filters on high when I come out touting that I am a Satanist.  Too many morons misinterpret the philosophy, which works sometimes to my advantage as it does my hinderance. 

As far as what I have done: I am a war vet, transgender living out their desires, former martial arts instructor, and self-published author of no fewer than 5 books for starters.  I like classical music, as well as the old-school fantasy epic like Beowulf and Gilgamesh.  I find most (not all) death-metal to be abrasive and hard to digest.  I'll stop there, but use that to illustrate a point that Satanism isn't about "evil" music and horror stories all the time.

If you have any questions, I am offering myself up to answer them to the best of my ability.  Again, go to the CS website if you have any questions about the organization.

~Hail Satan
Title: Re: Left-Hand Path Religions
Post by: Gothic Dandy on November 05, 2014, 05:26:39 PM
So we have a Daemonolator, a Luciferian, and a Satanist. What a fun party! Who else wants to join?  >:-)

My first brush with "Satanists" was a bunch of moody teenagers who were in a metal band and liked to draw pentacles on everything. I was Neo-Pagan back then and even I was offended, lol.

I didn't realize it was still such a career-killer to identify yourself as a Satanist. I grew up in a liberal, (sub)urban area so I always assumed we were living in fairly progressive times. I didn't even realize it was still socially acceptable to discriminate against trans individuals at work until I came to this forum and heard some of the stories.

Although to be fair, I wouldn't volunteer either of those details to most people. I was hesitant to even come out on here as Luciferian, since the forum is completely open to the public, and I'm paranoid that one day I will piss off someone influential and they'll go fishing the internet for blackmail. Haha, like I'm that important!
Title: Re: Left-Hand Path Religions
Post by: Jess42 on November 05, 2014, 06:08:46 PM
Quote from: Ev on November 02, 2014, 08:40:03 AM
As far as Satanists being unpleasant, well, if they are in someone else's lair...like, say, Susan's...and they are grade-A >-bleeped-<s, they are committing a Satanic Sin.  An internet domain IS STILL someone else's lair, as they spend the time and money to maintain it.  I want to reach out and slap people who are ungrateful to their virtual hosts and the guests, as it is not their home and if they don't like the way things are or the people in it, they should just leave.

I'm not really anything other than Spiritual and believe in natural negative or dark energies and positive or light energies, and so on. But yeah you are right. Every CoS cardholder that I ever met were extremely pleasant people. Even more so than a lot of other people and a whole lot more repectful of other people's lives and lifetstyles. Especially the part of respecting all life even animals and the use of animals for food. But still respect. Even read the CoS Satanic Bible written by LeVey a long time ago. I still love that stupidity and ignorance are Satanic Sins. For whatever reason I just can't belong to any religion. That to me goes with an hierarchy and I detest authority. Especially over my own possible eternity.

But belief systems are belief systems and it is extremely good to have something to believe in. Just remember though especially when it comes to Satanic Rituals that anything can come back to you so be extremely careful and sure. Not just limited to Satanism either. What energy you do put out it is very possible that it will be returned to you in time. So dark energy, be very careful with.
Title: Re: Left-Hand Path Religions
Post by: Ev on November 05, 2014, 10:04:42 PM
Jess:

It's nice to see someone who has read TSB and then developed their own opinion about it.  However, while I do not agree on your views 100% Jess42 about rituals, I don't care to drag this debate out in the open.  Ritual is entirely personal, like our sex lives, and thus is best left behind closed doors most of the time.



Gothic Lady:

My wife is a non-theistic (agnostic) Luciferianist herself with a touch of Neo-Pagan, who taps into the symbolism instead of the literal side of things.  So, to better understand my Little Lucy, I read over some of Ford's books but already had a "fair" grasp on Pagan lore from my brief time as an experimental Gnostic.  Interesting (The Bible of the Adversary) is all I dare say out in the open...but religious studies is one of my primary interests so I read it with as much of an open mind as I would anything else.  (Myth is ammo when it is time to write.)  I can "live with" the idea of my mate being Luciferian, even if I do not adhere to the teachings myself.

Out of the four Crown Princes, Lucifer was the one I identified with the most...being often depicted as androgynous and artistic, he is my natural archetype.  (Other than Loki the Trickster, who swapped genders often to meet his goals.)  There is a lot of overlap in the Lady's and my own personal philosophies, but then enough of a difference for her to say "this" and me to say "that".

As far as it (openly Satanist) being a career-killer, it really is a matter of where you are and what you are doing.  Someone at the "Spicy Subject" store in the mall in San Fran could probably get away with it AND benefit from it, but someone at a law firm in Texas may be asking for trouble.  I myself am openly trans, so there is already a "law of the forbidden" attached to me...being trans is also potentially a career killer, so it just added to the "taboo" I naturally carry.  I also write sci-fi/fantasy for a living, so the extra space it gives me is nice, as most people prefer to keep their distance these days and I can immerse myself in my works.  As I said, my case is somewhat "different" than most people's so I have really nothing to lose by coming out in the open about it...and I have my privacy to gain.  However, Dr. Smith the dentist may need to button that top button real tight to keep his baphomet hidden under his shirt, unless he wants people to think he is using their teeth for some evil working and lost all the time/money he invested in Med School.

I get a lot of flack from a lot of the trans I have encountered in my life, because of my beliefs in stratification and the fact I LOVE being a ">-bleeped-<" and ">-bleeped-<" instead of being a "woman trapped in a man's body" so to speak.  Apparently, both is a "bad" word/concept and I "shouldn't" use them.  I won't dip into that any more here as I may have already tapped the top of the can of worms, but as a Satanist I am not here to become part of some "herd" and thus am going to be an outcast amongst outcasts...a goat amongst black sheep.  I am here to learn, and to share what I learned if anyone cares to listen.  So I have to take the vast majority of my views off-site as a gesture of respect for the "equality" pushed here.

But enough of that.  Since I am here and out in the open, I have subjected myself to any response and thus have no room to complain about anything said to me at this point.  Take care, and thank you all for your time.

~HS
Title: Re: Left-Hand Path Religions
Post by: Jess42 on November 07, 2014, 12:59:09 PM
Quote from: Ev on November 05, 2014, 10:04:42 PM
Jess:

It's nice to see someone who has read TSB and then developed their own opinion about it.  However, while I do not agree on your views 100% Jess42 about rituals, I don't care to drag this debate out in the open.  Ritual is entirely personal, like our sex lives, and thus is best left behind closed doors most of the time.


I definately agree. But I also believe the same about praying too. It should be personal. It really isn't any different though. For example, if somone prays for a tornado not to hit their house then they are trying to consciously re direct it to possibly hit someone else's house. I guess what I am trying to say is the old saying of "be careful of what you wish for". If you wish to forego your suffering then you may indeed cause someone else to suffer that wasn't meant to. Does that make any sense? It did when I wrote it. ;)

As for the Satanic Bible though. I have absolutely nothing against anyone that is Satanist or Christian. As a matter of fact a lot of The Satanic Bible I agree with. Anton LeVey I agreed with. Zeena was a beautiful woman but that idiot, Nicholos Shreck she married could go. Werewolf Coven? Really? That is just my own personal opinion. Well actually most of The Satanic Bible I agree with. Our beliefs are 100% personal dependant on nothing else but ourselves and life experiences. It does Irk me though when you have people out there that claim to be Satanists that murder people and animals but still have no clue what it is about. Blond haired, blue eyed virgins being sacrificed at midnight in a grave yard on Halloween was a really big urban legend about "Devil Worshipers" where I grew up. ::) Maybe if they did a little research instead of fall into the hysteria, they may understand that followers of the Church of Satan respect life more than want to needlesly destroy it.

But just one thing and nothing personal but praying, rituals, wishing, and so on is putting some of your energy out there in the cosmos. Sometimes it works, sometimes it don't but on a psychological level, the negative stuff is best used sparingly, if at all and only for extreme instances. As for physical negativity though, if somone smites you on the cheek. Smite them back. Forget all that turning the other cheek. I don't want both cheeks scarred. Ya' Know?

BTW Ev. No one is ever gonna' agree 100% with someone else's beliefs. It is way too personal and just as unique as we ourselves are.
Title: Re: Left-Hand Path Religions
Post by: Ev on November 07, 2014, 01:55:44 PM
Quote from: Jess42 on November 07, 2014, 12:59:09 PM
I definately agree. But I also believe the same about praying too. It should be personal. It really isn't any different though. For example, if somone prays for a tornado not to hit their house then they are trying to consciously re direct it to possibly hit someone else's house. I guess what I am trying to say is the old saying of "be careful of what you wish for". If you wish to forego your suffering then you may indeed cause someone else to suffer that wasn't meant to. Does that make any sense? It did when I wrote it. ;)

Makes perfect sense.  I will, since we are here, discuss this as it is one of the many "grey areas" that Satanism is full of.

In Satanism, survival of self is the highest law.  This is it for me.  When I die, I am dead...and I love life with a passion.  I will do whatever I can to defend it and to carry guilt over "whatever it takes" will only turn to self-hate and loathing, diminishing the quality of life I have as I go the rest of my days moping about that someone else died because/instead of me.  I cannot do this to myself, so I cannot have any regrets if a "working" leads to someone else'sdemise. 

So, I will use your scenario of the tornado:

If I use magic to save myself from a tornado, I have saved my own life.  I never asked that it hit someone else's house, I merely asked that it MISS mine.  The more specific one gets in magic, the less likely it is to work.  So, I have to expend the bare minimal energy in diverting the tornado.  To do so, I just "wish" that the tornado not harm me...and it doesn't.  Mission accomplished.  If I demand too much of magic it means I am putting too much "brain" and not enough "heart" into it, which reduces its effectiveness.  Magic must be emotionally charged, not intellectually driven. 

If, however, my neighbor doesn't work his/her magic...or, using less energy, doesn't take refuge in their reinforced cellar/basement...and they die, well, I can't feel sorry for them.  If they were a friend, I could mourn over my loss of a friend, but I cannot feel sorry for saving my own life.  Regret and guilt is what would get me in this case, NOT a backfired working.

Survival is THE law.  It sounds cold to some, but people who feel as if they can't save their own skin because it may mean "hurting" someone else really has no place in Satanism.  Sometimes, the things we do have consequences we can never forsee...so to worry about that means one is only going to live a life of fear and pain, afraid to ever ask for anything fortunate to happen to them.  I refuse to rob myself of joy this way.
Title: Re: Left-Hand Path Religions
Post by: Jess42 on November 07, 2014, 03:11:13 PM
Quote from: Ev on November 07, 2014, 01:55:44 PM
Makes perfect sense.  I will, since we are here, discuss this as it is one of the many "grey areas" that Satanism is full of.

In Satanism, survival of self is the highest law.  This is it for me.  When I die, I am dead...and I love life with a passion.  I will do whatever I can to defend it and to carry guilt over "whatever it takes" will only turn to self-hate and loathing, diminishing the quality of life I have as I go the rest of my days moping about that someone else died because/instead of me.  I cannot do this to myself, so I cannot have any regrets if a "working" leads to someone else'sdemise. 

So, I will use your scenario of the tornado:

If I use magic to save myself from a tornado, I have saved my own life.  I never asked that it hit someone else's house, I merely asked that it MISS mine.  The more specific one gets in magic, the less likely it is to work.  So, I have to expend the bare minimal energy in diverting the tornado.  To do so, I just "wish" that the tornado not harm me...and it doesn't.  Mission accomplished.  If I demand too much of magic it means I am putting too much "brain" and not enough "heart" into it, which reduces its effectiveness.  Magic must be emotionally charged, not intellectually driven. 

If, however, my neighbor doesn't work his/her magic...or, using less energy, doesn't take refuge in their reinforced cellar/basement...and they die, well, I can't feel sorry for them.  If they were a friend, I could mourn over my loss of a friend, but I cannot feel sorry for saving my own life.  Regret and guilt is what would get me in this case, NOT a backfired working.

Survival is THE law.  It sounds cold to some, but people who feel as if they can't save their own skin because it may mean "hurting" someone else really has no place in Satanism.  Sometimes, the things we do have consequences we can never forsee...so to worry about that means one is only going to live a life of fear and pain, afraid to ever ask for anything fortunate to happen to them.  I refuse to rob myself of joy this way.

Unfortunately Ev, there are so many grey areas in any belief systems. I won't say I am devine, any and everything but. But I will not save myself and put other's in harms way. If there is nothing then it will be sweet nothingess. If there is something then I really don't worry too much about it. But there is one thing LeVey mentioned. When the adults have a party and send the child to bed, the child usually will remain awake and watch in secrecy from the staircase. Hidden from all the oblivious adults. This stands out. To me it means that Anton Szandor LeVey believed in more than nothingness after death. How can you wathc a party after the adults put you to bed? How can you watch life go on after Death? But I don't mind watching the "party" from the top of the staircase hidden. ;) Just like the Holy Bible, The Satanic Bible hints at something. Oh yeah. My version was really blasphemous in the beginning. The Rejection of Christ and all. I bought this in the mid to late eighties. Now I really don't know how it is. But LeVey was a genius much like Swaggert and Baker. ::) But LeVey was way more true or to me he was. He held in regard the seven deadly sins, the Holy Bible don't even mention these animalistic instincts. And that is what they are. Instictual to any animal in the field and since humans are animals too. It is deep in our instinctual urges.

But yeah the strong shall survive. But I would hate it if I caused anyone else harm with what I tried to prevent. If I do die hon. No big deal. So? But I will survive if it comes down to it. I want to live but could I actually live if my the sake of my life caused someone theirs? If I didn't know any better, yeah, I could but the one big sin of LeVeyan Satanism is stupidity and ignorance. I accept whatever life holds for me. Whether there is sweet nothingness and I, the real Me, is snuffed out like a candle blown out. I accept it. Welcome it even. Non existance equals no pain. If my life is snuffed out and I have to watch the world from the "top of the stairs" then I will be happy for those that deserve it and resentful for those that don't. Maybe even hateful for those that are truly the band of society. But hon, if it comes down to kill or be killed then the fates will decide that.

No hon. It is not cold. Survival is a basic ultimate instinct. But what if you don't care to survive? What if a person were to sacrifice themselves for someone else? Even another member of the Curch of Satan or someone you loved and cherished?

No offense. I still have friends that are true Stanists. I have friends that think they are Satanists. I have friends that are Crhistian and I have friends that are Catholic. I differntiate Catholicism from Christianity because of the cermonious stuff. All give the same answer. they would but would they really if the crap hit the fan? The only way to know is when the crap gets splatterered

What would I do? Honestly? I don't know. I would like to think that I would give the ultimate sacrifice and more than once was prepared to. Even took the idiots hand with the gun and put it right between my eyes. So these little mean buttholes that are so callous can't kill you when you want them too? Did I really want to die? Not really. Would I have? Oh yeah. I am prepared. I don't care. Surviving with the pain isn't near as promising as non existance without. Even watching from the strairs, as long as I could have a little pink nightgown on, I would be happy. I don't care.

Have you really ever known a true Satanist? Other than card holding members? I will not pay tigthes to belong to any church. My money is mine and mine alone I will never pay for a belief. If I want to share then I will. I don't have a card. But what is in the heart is what the truth really is. I would never ask for money but I'm not Anton Szandor LeVey. I am not the Princess of Darkness or The Queen of Light but like everyone, somewhere in between.

Truthfully Ev. We may not 100% agree. It doesn't matter because like you said it is as personal as what is in the bedroom. But the dark I know really well. Thus why my warning. Anton was close. Alliester Crowly was too. But true dark? I won't say anymore but you can care and show compassion and empathy even when your Soul is black. If there is even such a thing as a Soul.

Wow. I must really be insane or evil. >:-) But I can still care about others though.

Do you mind if I PM you?
Title: Re: Left-Hand Path Religions
Post by: Ev on November 07, 2014, 03:20:17 PM
By all means, PM if you have anything to say you don't feel comfortable saying out in the open.
Title: Re: Left-Hand Path Religions
Post by: Ev on November 07, 2014, 03:38:02 PM
But on the issue of the red card, I address openly:

It is to show my support to an organization with people in it I have come to admire, nothing more.  It is not meant to validate my beliefs.

If you like Spider-Man comics, you buy them to keep them going.  You don't need to buy a comic to like Spider-Man as a character, though...but "likes" don't pay the bills.  That is about as well as I can explain it.
Title: Re: Left-Hand Path Religions
Post by: Ev on November 07, 2014, 04:19:57 PM
And, if for whatever reason you cannot PM me here and you have a FB account, you can join me over there.
Title: Re: Left-Hand Path Religions
Post by: Jess42 on November 07, 2014, 06:11:43 PM
Quote from: Ev on November 07, 2014, 03:38:02 PM
But on the issue of the red card, I address openly:

It is to show my support to an organization with people in it I have come to admire, nothing more.  It is not meant to validate my beliefs.

If you like Spider-Man comics, you buy them to keep them going.  You don't need to buy a comic to like Spider-Man as a character, though...but "likes" don't pay the bills.  That is about as well as I can explain it.

Ev. Yeah. You are right. I have paid my share. I don't want anything from it though. I have also paid Tighes to both. I don't want a card or anthing. I am dark, maybe a little of both. But that is being human thouhg hon.
Title: Re: Left-Hand Path Religions
Post by: Jess42 on November 07, 2014, 06:15:43 PM
BTW. PMs is the best way. Especially about this. I agree Ev, beleive me. I agree. No, I don't have FB. I am about as Anti social sights other than this one.
Title: Re: Left-Hand Path Religions
Post by: Ev on November 07, 2014, 10:14:58 PM
Quote from: Jess42 on November 07, 2014, 06:15:43 PM
BTW. PMs is the best way. Especially about this. I agree Ev, beleive me. I agree. No, I don't have FB. I am about as Anti social sights other than this one.

You are correct.  I will admit I am a little zealous sometimes.

I use FB to advertise my work, and that is about it.
Title: Re: Left-Hand Path Religions
Post by: Alexx86 on May 23, 2016, 04:18:51 AM
Just stumbled upon this thread and had a skim read over it. Figured I'd sort of jump in and say that I'm curious about Luciferianism in some ways, have a strong primal identity but not comfy about labelling myself anything other than an Occultist and/or Pagan when it comes to my spirituality.

;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Left-Hand Path Religions
Post by: SiobhánF on February 21, 2017, 09:39:07 AM
I would consider myself a philosophical Satanist. I'm not a religious person, nor would I want to be. I'm more of an atheistic Satanist. I don't believe that spells or curses do anything but to put our minds at ease in "knowing" that our wishes will come true if we just believe it hard enough. I say the same thing about prayer. I'm more of a person of action and see no point in wasting time on things that cannot be verified or proven. I see some benefits of rituals, which serve to release much negative energy from the mind and body and bring a serenity to the person(s) using such things.

So, to get things straight, in case people are not aware, Satanism isn't the worship of Satan, or anything like it. Satan literally means "adversary," as in the adversary to God or to some supreme authority. It's the antithesis to flock-like mentality (group think) and any person who would fashion themselves as an authority over another person's life. Organized religions do this to people and are seen as slavery chosen over complete, individual freedom. As you can imagine, this sparks ideas in the minds of many who are tired of living under such authority and wish to buck the system. Anything that may be considered adversarial to the status quo or socially acceptable way of life falls under Satanism. Lucifer is a name which means, "bringer of light," or some variation of it. The symbols and figures used in Satanism are used because they shock the psyche. It is quite shocking to outsiders that the figures used are revered. Again, it's not to be confused with worship. They are revered for what they represent, rather than wholesale reverence and worship given to a "God" without much thought. Let me know if I missed anything.

Ave Satanas! ;)
Title: Re: Left-Hand Path Religions
Post by: Gothic Dandy on February 24, 2017, 03:55:50 PM
Weird to see myself talk about old thoughts I don't remember sharing...and did I actually get misgendered on Susan's? lol

Just popping back in to say that I have a better grasp on Luciferian philosophy as it pertains to me. If anybody wants to discuss anything in particular, I'm willing, but I don't have anything specific to add to the conversation right now.

Quote from: SiobhánF on February 21, 2017, 09:39:07 AM

So, to get things straight, in case people are not aware, Satanism isn't the worship of Satan, or anything like it. Satan literally means "adversary," as in the adversary to God or to some supreme authority. It's the antithesis to flock-like mentality (group think) and any person who would fashion themselves as an authority over another person's life. Organized religions do this to people and are seen as slavery chosen over complete, individual freedom. As you can imagine, this sparks ideas in the minds of many who are tired of living under such authority and wish to buck the system. Anything that may be considered adversarial to the status quo or socially acceptable way of life falls under Satanism.

By your definition I'm a Satanist after all, lol.

I still see Satan and Lucifer as separate and sometimes opposite entities, but that's just me. I like how this collection of philosophies encourages individuals to craft their own versions.
Title: Re: Left-Hand Path Religions
Post by: SiobhánF on February 24, 2017, 04:56:10 PM
I also see them as separate. I only named two of the eight that are discussed in it. I merely mentioned the two because people tend to think of them as only being one and the same, even though they represent two different ideas.
Title: Re: Left-Hand Path Religions
Post by: SiobhánF on February 24, 2017, 04:58:11 PM
Also, people can interpret it as they see fit and come up with multiple ways to be a satanist. Some believe in magick, some believe in deities, while I don't believe in either. It is what you make of it, but it's the ideas represented within that make it Satanism.
Title: Re: Left-Hand Path Religions
Post by: SiobhánF on February 25, 2017, 08:37:15 AM
For those who wish to know more about what I mean by the representations discussed within Satanism, I have taken the brief explanations provided within a book that I've read, called "The Satanic Narratives," by Damien Ba'al (obviously not is actual name). I do this not to try and convince others to take this path, but to educate and help others understand that Satanism isn't about evil; it's more about loving and respecting yourself, as well as doing so for others. It would seem that people love to demonize things that they do not understand. Here, I merely go over the symbolism for each aspect.

Satan
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"Satan literally means 'adversary'. Satan is primarily opposition and rebellion. It is the unbowed will in the face of oppression, the eternal rebel versus the ultimate dictator. It is an unrelenting rebellion waged against the antitheses of Satanic ideals and deeply held beliefs."

Ba'al
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"Ba'al is the outcast, the outsider, the hated other, and the one who perseveres. The Lord of the Sky was demonized and renamed the Lord of the Flies. The implication being that he was a piece of ****. Ba'al, Baal, Bel, or other variations simply translated as 'lord'. Therefore, there were many mythological beings that could be called Ba'al, and no doubt, many were demonized. This is about the Lord of the Flies though, Ba'al Zebub, who is best known as Beelzebub."

Lucifer
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"Of all the aspects of Satan, we get the most from Lucifer. Lucifer is the bringer of light, wisdom, and knowledge. The intellectual focus, critical thinking skills, and the valuing of human beings come from this aspect. The literary Satan is very Luciferian."

Baphomet
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"Baphomet symbolizes balance, human nature, and the natural world. The human-centric focus of Lucifer works in conjunction with this to give us a robust, naturalist morality, with a proper basis for our normative values."

The Leviathan
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"The Leviathan symbolizes life, health, community, and creativity. The first two things are fairly self-explanatory. It is the other two that will be the focus. Community, and our instinct to live that way, come from our evolution as a social species. A group of like-minded individuals can find mutual benefit in association. The sharing of the joys of life with companions makes those moments all the more sweet. Sometimes you might find yourself doing things to help others, but when you need it, you should find these others coming to your aid."

Belial
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"Belial symbolizes individualism, independence, and accomplishment. This aspect is an animated and anthropomorphized representation of the Left-Hand Path. This path is about discovery, acceptance, and fulfillment of self."

Pan
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"Pan symbolizes indulgence, hedonism, sex, music, drink, food, celebrations -- everything that makes life fun and enjoyable. Traditional religions view all these things as evil. It is the exact opposite for the Satanist. There is nothing to be gained from deprivation. It is not inherently virtuous. Indulgence and making the most of this one life that you have is the thing that is truly virtuous."

Loki
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"Loki symbolizes humor, fun, wit, and cunning. Loki is the prankster. Even when working toward serious goals, one cannot be serious all the time. The characteristics of the Loki aspect of Satan can be very useful."
Title: Re: Left-Hand Path Religions
Post by: Jennifer RachaelAnn on April 20, 2017, 07:11:13 PM
I know this topic hasn't been posted in for a while, but I still feel the urge/need to reply.

I started off as a Modern/LaVeyan Satanist. I studied LaVey's "teachings" and philosophy of Satanism. But I noticed that, for me at least, something was missing. I felt the need to belong to something. I wasn't willing to join the CoS because under the Gilmore regime, I feel that it has lost all credibility and deserves no respect.

As I looked I came across the Church of Lucifer. I read thru their site, and decided to apply. I was accepted as a member almost instantly. As the years went on I became a well respected member, a moderator on the forums, and a member of the CoL council. The website is unfortunately gone now, but the CoL is still very much alive.

I have this article written on my website, and I feel it can help people understand Modern/LaVeyan Satanism:


A Brief Definition of Satanism

When most people think of Satanism, images of Demons, Sacrifices, and Animal mutilations usually come to mind. After all that is what the media, and your local church has spoon-fed to the masses for years. Most people assume that Satanists embrace "evil", aren't capable of loving, and that Satanism is nothing more than inverse Christianity. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

Satan by definition, it's true definition, is the Adversary, or the Opposition. We oppose the Status quo, and the closed minded herd mentality that fuels stupidity and ignorance like a social cancer. Instead we embrace Intellect, Objectivism, Individuality, and Rational self-interest.

You are the only person who has control over your life; no "God" will make your life better for you. It is much like Santa Claus; we are told as children that if you don't believe in him you will be punished by not getting any presents. Religions of all kinds work in much the same way, with the exception of Satanism. We do not believe in things we cannot see, and yes that includes "Satan." Why should we, that is not rational.

I'm sure you are asking yourself, "Then why the name Satanism?" The answer is quite simple. Throughout history all religions have only preached obedience and faith while Individuality, and rational thought has been condemned and called "evil". It wasn't that long ago that the Churches attempted to ban books that provoke thought, and make people think for themselves instead of buying into the church scams and guilt trips. Satanism is quite the opposite, hence the term "Adversary" (The definition of Satan)



A Crash Course History of Modern Satanism

The Origin of Satanism is traced back thousands of years in various false forms. In some literature Satanism is regarded as a literal worship of various Demons and Deity's, other times it shows up as Witchcraft where practitioners make pacts with Satan and are thus granted their powers. Yet in other forms, Satanism is akin to Voodoo or Necromancy, and even ancient Pagans were regarded as Satanists who again were given powers by "Satan." Nearly all of these cases are incorrect and had nothing to do with the true term Satan or Modern Satanism.

Modern Satanism can only be traced back to 1966 when Anton LaVey shaved his head, performed a ritual and declared the formation of the "Church of Satan." The religion (or anti-religion if you will) was composed as an answer to organized western religion and culture's repression of natural instincts and desires.

Major influences of the Satanic Philosophy are as follows:

The Magick of Aleister Crowley, and the works of the Abbey of Thelema.

The Cynical anti-theistic viewpoints and writings of Friedrich Nietzsche

The Objectivism philosophy of Ayn Rand

The Comical and Social viewpoint of people like P.T. Barnum

The brutal reality of Ragnard Redbeard's writings.


Prior to LaVey forming the Church of Satan, LaVey in the early to mid sixties would hold Midnight Masses at his Victorian home in San Francisco's Richmond District. It would attract many high profile figures from the San Francisco area, which made LaVey somewhat of a local legend. This is what caused LaVey to start the "Satanic Church" later renamed the "Church of Satan" (often referred to "CoS" for short).

In 1969 LaVey wrote the Satanic Bible, which would prove to be the bedrock for modern Satanism. To date it has sold nearly 1,000,000 copies worldwide and has been translated into several languages.

The Church of Satan thrived vigorously in the late sixties and early seventies attracting many celebrities including Sammy Davis Jr., and Jayne Mansfield to name a couple.

In 1975 many changes occurred within the CoS, LaVey had done away with the Grotto system. A network of sub-churches setup across the country. Some structural re-organization had also been done.

It was at this time that Michael Aquino, member of the Church of Satan, broke away from the Church and formed his "Temple of Set." Aquino maintained that LaVey had changed his stance from believing in an actual Satan to referring to it as more of a relative term. LaVey claimed that he had always referred to Satan as a "Dark force of Nature" rather than an actual deity.

Between 1970 and 1992 LaVey had written three other books. The Compleat Witch (Re-released as "The Satanic Witch"), The Satanic Rituals, and The Devil's Notebook.

During this period in the '80's there was a wave of Satanic panic as many talk shows, news media, and various papers across the country began reporting on Satanic Serial Killers, and Groups of Satanists that were opening day care centers, molesting, and sacrificing children. This sparked an FBI investigation, which concluded that there was no such activity taking place.

Just after the release of the Devil's Notebook in 1992 LaVey made a film entitled "Speak of the Devil" It was a documentary about the Anton LaVey, the history of Satanism, and the Church of Satan. It seemed to revive the Satanic movement a little but not nearly as much as would be seen in 1996.

A musician by the name of Marilyn Manson release an album entitled "Antichrist Superstar" which fueled a pop-culture trend of Goth teenagers proclaiming to be Satanists. Many of these children were nothing more than alienated teens that were simply rebelling against religion, and their parents.

This created a surge of attention for LaVey and the Church of Satan. A revitalized church had sky rocketing membership applications and a renewed interest in Satanism. Ironically in the midst of the Goth culture phenomenon LaVey would die of heart failure in his home on the night of Oct. 27, 1997.



The Aftermath of LaVey's Death

Not surprisingly the death of LaVey created a frenzy in and outside of the Satanic community. Detractors came out from rocks to demystify, or debunk nearly all parts of LaVey's personal and private life, and of course the Church of Satan itself.

Karla LaVey (Anton's eldest daughter) and Blanche Barton (LaVey's Biographer, and mother of his Son) had agreed to run the Church together as co-High Priestess's. It was just after this agreement that Blanche produced a handwritten will and claimed that the Church, LaVey's personal property, and all rights to LaVey's writings were the sole property of Blanche, and LaVey's youngest Son Xerxes.

Karla had contested the will citing a Doctors statement that LaVey was heavily medicated and had just come out of a death experience when he was coerced to write the Will. The Will was later invalidated and an agreement was made.

Feeling that her fathers personal items were more important than the organization itself Karla agreed to let Blanche have the "Organization known as Church of Satan" in return LaVey's three children (Karla, Zeena, and Xerxes) were to equally divide his personal belongings, and the rights to his works.

During this time Blanche and clergy of the Church had begun a vicious campaign against Karla claiming she was not qualified to run the Church, had not contributed to the Church, and went through long periods of not speaking to her father.

In reality Karla LaVey had gone on numerous lecture tours at University's regarding Satanism. Appeared on countless television talk shows and radio interviews, promoting the Church, her father's work, and the philosophy itself. She was even featured on the Cover of Brazil's most popular magazine giving an interview on the Satanism, and the Occult.

Karla then decided to form the "First Satanic Church" in 1999, an identical organization to her father's old Church in order to carry on the family tradition. Her church is operating out of San Francisco just as her father had run the Church of Satan.

Blanche currently resides in San Diego, California and has no longer handles CoS administration. The Church of Satan is now run mostly online, based out of New York where memberships are processed, while still maintaining the P.O. Box in San Francisco for personal correspondence to Blanche.

A large number of new Satanic Churches have popped up since the death of LaVey in 1997. Most of them Internet based and lacking any real substance. That just seems to be par for the course these days.



A Word about Satanism Today

Satanism has always been about being an individual; it therefore makes sense that regardless of organizational politics the primary focus should be on the individual. It has become a bit cliché yet it still holds true that you do not have to join any organization to be a Satanist. Only you can determine where you want to go in life.

In closing I would like to say that Satanism is the Bedrock philosophy of human existence. It is the philosophy that is your primer paint before you put several layers of other paints on the wall. It is the first stepping-stone in life's journey for infinite knowledge. In the long run it's really what keeps you grounded and your head out of the clouds.

I would encourage you to do your own research and studying on the subjects of Satanism & the Occult Sciences.


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If anyone wants, I will also post the 9 Satanic sins, the 9 Satanic statements, and the 11 Satanic rules of the earth.
Title: Re: Left-Hand Path Religions
Post by: SiobhánF on April 20, 2017, 07:48:37 PM
By all means! I would do it, but I think you have the right idea. Educate! ;)
Title: Re: Left-Hand Path Religions
Post by: Jennifer RachaelAnn on April 20, 2017, 08:15:23 PM


Some of the terminology used here is completely open to interpretation. For example on the 11th Satanic Rule Of The Earth, the word destroy can mean slap the person to you, while it means run them over with your car to someone else.

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The 9 Satanic Sins

1-) Stupidity

The top of the list for Satanic Sins. The Cardinal Sin of Satanism. It's too bad that stupidity isn't painful. Ignorance is one thing, but our society thrives increasingly on stupidity. It depends on people going along with whatever they are told. The media promotes a cultivated stupidity as a posture that is not only acceptable but laudable. Satanists must learn to see through the tricks and cannot afford to be stupid.


2-) Pretentiousness

Empty posturing can be most irritating and isn't applying the cardinal rules of Lesser Magic. On equal footing with stupidity for what keeps the money in circulation these days. Everyone's made to feel like a big shot, whether they can come up with the goods or not.


3-) Solipsism

Can be very dangerous for Satanists. Projecting your reactions, responses, and sensibilities onto someone else who is probably far less attuned that you are. It is the mistake of expecting people to give you the same consideration, courtesy, and respect that you naturally give them. They won't. Instead Satanists must strive to apply the dictum of "Do unto others as they do onto you." It's work for most of us and requires constant vigilance lest you slip into a comfortable illusion of everyone being like you. As has been said, certain utopias would be ideal in a nation of philosophers, but unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately, from a Machiavellian viewpoint) we are from that point.


4-) Self-Deceit

It's in the Nine Satanic Statement but deserves to be repeated here. Another cardinal sin. We must not pay homage to any of the sacred cows presented to us, including the roles we are expected to play ourselves. The only time self-deceit should be entered is when it is fun, and with awareness. But then, it's not self-deceit!


5-) Herd Conformity

That's obvious from a Satanic stance. It's all right to conform to a person's wishes, if it ultimately benefits you. But only fools follow along with the herd, letting an impersonal entity dictate to you. The key is to choose a master wisely instead of being enslaved by the whims of many.


6-) Lack of Perspective

Again, this one can lead to a lot of pain for a Satanist. You must never lose sight of who and what you are, and what a threat you can be, by your very existence. We are making history right now, everyday. Always keep the wider historical and social picture in mind. That is an important key to both Lesser and Greater Magic. See the patterns and fit the things together as you want the pieces to fall into place. So not be swayed herd constraints--know that you are working on another level entirely from the rest of the world.


7-) Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxy's

Be aware that this one of the keys to brainwashing people into accepting something as "new" and "different", when in reality it's something that was once widely accepted but is now presented in a new package. We are expected to rave about the genius of the "creator" and forget the original. This makes for a disposable society.


8-) Counterproductive Pride

The first word is important. Pride is great up to the point you begin to throw out the baby with the bath water. The rule of Satanism is if it works for you, great. When it stops working for you, when you've painted yourself into a corner and the only way out is to say, "I'm sorry, I made a mistake, I wish we could compromise somehow," then do it.


9-) Lack of Aesthetics

This is the physical application of the Balance Factor. It is important in Lesser Magic and should be cultivated. It is obvious that no one can collect any money off it most of the tome so it is discouraged in a consumer society, but is an essential Satanic tool and must be applied for magical effectiveness. It's not what's supposed to be pleasing--it's what is. Aesthetics is a highly personal thing, reflective of one's own nature, but there are universally pleasing and harmonious configurations that should not be denied.

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The 9 Satanic Statements

I
Satan represents indulgence, instead of abstinence!


II
Satan represents vital existence, instead of spiritual pipe dreams!


III
Satan represents undefiled wisdom, instead of hypocritical self-deceit!


IV
Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates!


V
Satan represents vengeance, instead of turning the other cheek!


VI
Satan represents responsibility to the responsible, instead of concern for psychic vampires!


VII
Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those who walk on all-fours, who, because of his "divine spiritual and intellectual development," has become the most vicious animal of all!


VIII
Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!


IX
Satan has been the best friend the church has ever had, as he has kept it in business all these years!

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The 11 Satanic Rules Of The Earth

I

Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.


II

Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure that they want to hear them.


III

When in another's lair, show him respect or else do not go there.


IV

If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.


V

Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.


VI

Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the person and he cries out to be relieved.


VII

Acknowledge the power of magic if you have used it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.


VIII

Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.


IX

Do not harm little children.


X

Do not kill non-human animals unless attacked or for your food.


XI

When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.


Title: Re: Left-Hand Path Religions
Post by: Jennifer RachaelAnn on April 24, 2017, 06:56:52 PM
If anyone has any intelligent questions about Satanism, that they feel have not been addressed, feel free to ask. I will answer them as best I can.