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Title: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: SailorMars1994 on April 26, 2017, 12:48:44 PM
I am curious to hear everyones response. Being a Canadian I am certian one day we will have a Trans* Prime Minister. I just got this feeling about it. Would we be able to elect on if an election was held in 2017? well I am unsure. I think a vast majority of Canadians would have no issues voting for a transgender person if said person hold the same values as the voter and is trust worthy (the way it should be) but we dont have any fully transitioned or planning a full transition to elected office. The provinces of Ontario and Prince Edward Island elected a lesbian and and a gay man in 2014 and 2015  respectivley to be their Premiers and given majority government so that is always a good sign. The province of Albeta, long considered Canada's most Conservative province also elected a non-binary provincial MLA to its legislature. I think this bolds well for a Trans* Prime Minister one day in Canada and as always I can see a trans* leader of a country in most of the European countries. How about your own country :)?
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: CrziCricket on April 26, 2017, 12:56:51 PM
My country....... not any time soon so long as we have our democrats living in small areas and not more spread out in the bible belt and the fly-over states.

My state/city however could totally do it. Maybe not in the next election but within the next ten years totally. There is the advantage of living in CA which is a lot easier. Although I do live in the progressive half of the state not the conservative half.
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: SailorMars1994 on April 26, 2017, 01:00:30 PM
I would think that California and the other coastal west states would. I would also think Vermont and Massachusetts no problem what so ever and perhaps Colorado (thanks Denver). And in a few years I wouldnt be too suprised to see Virginia and Arizona doing so either. Some other places may take a bit longer tho
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: Devlyn on April 26, 2017, 01:10:06 PM
Devlyn for President


Hmmm, has a nice ring to it.  ;D

Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: SailorMars1994 on April 26, 2017, 02:07:16 PM
OMG cute xD
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: arice on April 26, 2017, 03:03:33 PM
I am also Canadian. I expect that we will see some out trans candidates elected to provincial and federal office in the next couple of years. I don't think a candidate's transgender status would prevent them from being elected or selected as party leader (of at least two federal parties)... but with that in mind, I doubt that we will have a trans prime minister in the next few years just due to the lack of visible trans people in the higher eschilons of the major parties... once there are some, I don't think Canadian voters will care that they are trans.


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Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: LilyMelody on August 21, 2017, 02:45:02 PM
We don't even have one openly trans person is the legislature in the UK.

However! I think we might one day get a trans PM.
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: Paige on August 21, 2017, 03:52:31 PM
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on April 26, 2017, 01:10:06 PM
Devlyn for President


Hmmm, has a nice ring to it.  ;D

You would have my vote if I lived in the US. :)

Paige :)
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: Nina on August 21, 2017, 06:39:53 PM
Being a Canadian as well, I foresee a day. The problem is, as was the recent BC election, those trans individuals who ran,  were  for parties that have little to no chance of being elected. Only until a trans person decides to run for one of the major parties, I don't see it happening soon.
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: Niki Knight on August 21, 2017, 07:00:54 PM
Another Canuck here. I am certain a distinguished Transgender MP will be voted in somewhere in the country and most likely Liberal.

Hmm, carrier change maybe in order.

The Honourable Niki Marie Night, I like the sound of that.

Huggs Girls
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: SailorMars1994 on August 21, 2017, 10:19:04 PM
^^^ run!!

In Canada I could see an MP get elected as either a Liberal or New Democrat. Maybe one day soon we could have a red tory Conservative. As far as provincial politics I can see the same but with even a trans Conservative MLA is not out of the question is a few provinces. The Conservative party (different named used) in Quebec would very likely let a trans person run as would the Newfoundland Conservatives (Thanks Danny Williams for showing support as early as 2004) and maybe the Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island Conservatives?? Elsewhere in the county I could see a trans person get elected in any province but likely would have to be either Liberal or New Democrat as other Conservative parties elsewhere have a sizable religious-right audience. However, Patrick Brown, the Ontario Conservative leader (and likely Premier next year) has really gone out of his way to quite any bigots and be accepting to the LBGT comminity!
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: Serana95 on August 22, 2017, 12:01:24 AM
Usa* Honestly no we have a huge amount of conservative Christians here and most are sadly very trans/homophobic. Hell we can't even get an openly atheist in office, the job pretty much demands a Christian white collar male.

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Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: Raell on August 22, 2017, 02:08:37 AM
At least 20 transgender candidates are currently running for office across the United States, NBC News reports.

"We are making 2017 the year of the trans candidate," said Victory Fund President Aisha C. Moodie-Mills, whose organization has endorsed trans candidate Danica Roem for a seat in Virginia's House of Delegates.

"We have more transgender people running this cycle than almost all other cycles combined."

NBC: Twenty Transgender Candidates Running for Office in US http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/transgender-candidates-20-running/2017/06/12/id/795637/ via @Newsmax
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: SailorMars1994 on August 22, 2017, 06:00:58 AM
Quote from: Serana95 on August 22, 2017, 12:01:24 AM
Usa* Honestly no we have a huge amount of conservative Christians here and most are sadly very trans/homophobic. Hell we can't even get an openly atheist in office, the job pretty much demands a Christian white collar male.

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Yes and no. Hillary did win 3 million more votes, but at the same time she did lose states that should have not justed voted for her under normal circumstances, but they should have been easy cake walks (Pennsylvania and Michigan). I remember being optumistic about her win but doubtful even before the result came in. Earlier that day I looked at polls and it showed Ohio being considered a safe Trump state, right then and there I knew she was in trouble. Unless you are JFK no winning person has won the White House without Ohio in the past 7 decade. She could have still won without it  but Ohio is a huge deal and one you want on your side as it is a huge swing state and bell weather state.

As for Trans candidate I dont know, I am sure Colorado would vote for one, as with Washington, Oregon and perhaps California and maybe even New Mexico. I would say a trans-person would easily win Vermont with that state being the least religious, more progressive (atleast on social issues) and having a history of being signifgantly less bigoted compared to other places. But with it being such a small rural state you have more luck finding a cow to run then a trans person. Massachusetts comes next as it is poltically similar to VT, just with a major city. Maybe in another 5 to 10 years the map will be more open :)!
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: sarah1972 on August 22, 2017, 07:04:56 AM
The Danica Roem candidacy is a great example of some of the uphill battles for trans candidates - she is running in a neighboring county and she does get a lot of media coverage here.

She is running in a county which traditionally has been very conservative, to the tune that I was told to avoid the area out of safety concerns. In recent years, the Washington, DC spreading suburbs have brought a more liberal population to her county. The population growth also lead to a lot of local issues from traffic congestion to insane power line construction. These are the areas Danica tries to focus on. She has been a newspaper reporter for many years and has a great understanding of local issues. Her goal is to focus her entire campaign on resolving local issues, the top one being traffic congestion.

Unfortunately - a lot of discussion is still about her being a trans women. Almost every bit of media coverage picks up on her being trans. She is also facing a second challenge: she has received sizable campaign contributions from out-of-state organizations supporting her run for office, something which does not necessarily sit well with locals.

Lastly she is running against a long term (11 terms!) incumbent, extremely conservative who has pushed for all kind of crazy legislation restricting transgender, women and LGBT rights. He has also deliberately misgendered Danica a few times in interviews and speeches.

Danica is receiving an outpouring of support from many but it will be a real uphill battle for her to make it in that area. Unfortunately especially due to her being trans. It is very hard for me to say but a cis women running on the same platform would have a much better shot in this area. It is very unfortunate that people focus on the wrong things. She wants to solve local issues, she wants to fight for her constituents and she knows a lot about every day worries of the area. That is what should count, nothing else.

I still hope for a small miracle this November!

Quote from: Raell on August 22, 2017, 02:08:37 AM
At least 20 transgender candidates are currently running for office across the United States, NBC News reports.

"We are making 2017 the year of the trans candidate," said Victory Fund President Aisha C. Moodie-Mills, whose organization has endorsed trans candidate Danica Roem for a seat in Virginia's House of Delegates.

"We have more transgender people running this cycle than almost all other cycles combined."

NBC: Twenty Transgender Candidates Running for Office in US http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/transgender-candidates-20-running/2017/06/12/id/795637/ via @Newsmax
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: arice on August 22, 2017, 08:22:25 AM
Quote from: SailorMars1994 on August 21, 2017, 10:19:04 PM
^^^ run!!

In Canada I could see an MP get elected as either a Liberal or New Democrat. Maybe one day soon we could have a red tory Conservative. As far as provincial politics I can see the same but with even a trans Conservative MLA is not out of the question is a few provinces. The Conservative party (different named used) in Quebec would very likely let a trans person run as would the Newfoundland Conservatives (Thanks Danny Williams for showing support as early as 2004) and maybe the Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island Conservatives?? Elsewhere in the county I could see a trans person get elected in any province but likely would have to be either Liberal or New Democrat as other Conservative parties elsewhere have a sizable religious-right audience. However, Patrick Brown, the Ontario Conservative leader (and likely Premier next year) has really gone out of his way to quite any bigots and be accepting to the LBGT comminity!
I am in Alberta. I think that a trans candidate could get elected in any of our urban areas. For a conservative trans person, the bigger hurdle would be getting their party to approve their nomination (I can't see the new UCP letting a trans person run but the old PC party might have done so in Calgary). The NDP, Liberal and Alberta parties wouldn't have a problem with running trans candidates. We actually have a non-binary person as a sitting MLA although they weren't out as non-binady when they were elected (elected as a lesbian though).

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Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: AnneK on August 22, 2017, 10:35:07 AM
While not trans, we do have an openly gay Premier, Kathleen Wynne, in Ontario.  So, there's hope.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Wynne (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Wynne)
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: SailorMars1994 on August 22, 2017, 08:27:57 PM
I forgot about the Non-Binary person in Alberta! But yes, I think just about every province, in most ridings urban and even rural (depending on the local atmopshere) have a chance of being elected. Its just no trans people seem to grab the bull by the horn when it comes to politics. To add, Provincial and Terrirtorrial Conservative Partys that would likely be accepting to a Trans candidate is the Yukon Party located in well, Yukon. Yukons right wing party has often been the winner of the day , especially in recent years. Yukon has pretty well known reputation of being a very accepting place for LGBT even though it is a rather rural area as 33,000 people call Yukon, the size of the place is if I am not mistaken is somewhere in between that of California and Texas, home. To my American friends the comparison was to state how large and rural Yukon is! Yukon was the 4th place in Canada to legalize gay marriage in 2004 just after Ontario, British Columbia and Quebec did. Aswell, poltically it is rather left federally. It was the only Province/Territory to vote New Democratic in 1993 for McLaughlin and 1997 for Alexa McDonough. It was the only Province/Territory outside of Atlantic Canada to vote for Stephane Dions Liberals in 2008 and though narrowly losing the place to the Conservative in 2011, shot back hard to the Liberals in 2015 to be Trudueas 4th best performance.
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: Paige on August 23, 2017, 07:37:30 AM
Quote from: SailorMars1994 on August 22, 2017, 08:27:57 PM
Its just no trans people seem to grab the bull by the horn when it comes to politics.

Perhaps you should throw your hat in the ring :)

Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: SailorMars1994 on August 24, 2017, 09:34:59 AM
Quote from: Paige on August 23, 2017, 07:37:30 AM
Perhaps you should throw your hat in the ring :)

Maybe one day :).
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: SailorMars1994 on August 24, 2017, 09:40:26 AM
To be honest I would say dont be suprised if a trans person wins a seat in next years Ontario provincial election. There was a woman in Vancouver who ran as a New Democrat in British Columbias May 2017 Provincial election and she lost by the smallest of margins agaisnt right wing incumbent and former Vancouver Mayor Sam Sullivan. The result was suprising as that seat was considered a safe seat for Sulivan and he nearly lost to a poltical unknown. In Ontario all three major party leaders, Andrea Horwath of the NDP, Premier Kathleen Wynne of the Liberals and Patrick Brown of the Progressive Conservatives have voiced strong support for LGBT citizens. I wouldnt be suprised seeing a trans candidate being nominated by any of the three parties and ending up winning.
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: Patty_M on August 26, 2017, 07:17:53 PM
I just can't see that happening in the foreseeable future.

For now, we have next four years of a Republican presidency and at least two years of them having control of both the Senate and the House.  They are not going to do anything to offend their religious supporters.

Pence will leave office in 2020 (I assume a Trump impeachment) leaving the ruins of his and Donald's America. Between being sworn in and 2021 you can bet on Pence trying to create a theocracy.

Based on the reactions to anything positive being said about any trans person the ignorance and sheer hatred of us runs deep.  It's not going to go away soon.  The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was signed more than a half century ago and we still have yahoos in the KKK and others who would gladly put segregation back into place.

In 2020 we might get a sane president.  Give him/her eight years and there will be some trans people in statewide office, possibly one or two trans people in the House.  Perhaps a governor or two. Certainly, trans Lt Governor is possible.  Personally, I would like Dan Patrick (TX Lt Gov) to be replaced by a trans woman but that isn't going to happen until Texas turns a solid blue.

The presidency?  Keep in mind that we have never had a woman take that office.  No Jews either.  The road to the Oval Office is a steep one.   

Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: Corax on January 14, 2018, 04:08:39 PM
If they knew the person was a transsexual? You're not talking about a stealth person but an openly transsexual person here aren't you? Then nope, not gonna happen anytime soon, no chance with most people as they don't really understand what a transsexual even is. And while I am sure that there would be some folks who would only care about the views and ideas of a hypothetical transsexual candidate and would weigh whether they'd vote for them or not based on that only, others if not still the majority would definitely make trans the factor to rule them out not because everyone was hateful but because it's too foreign and out of the norm to them, something they just can't relate to and that in consequence would make them feel uncertain and make this candidate unpredictable in their eyes, because people fear what they don't understand to a degree.

I personally would only vote for the hypothetical transsexual candidate for their politics and only if they held similar ideas and political views as I do and not just because they were born with the same condition I was that doesn't matter to me. So maybe I wouldn't vote for that candidate either if I didn't like their politics or I liked the ideas and political standpoint of one of the "cis" candidates better and thought that the "cis" candidate's politics were better for the nation.
I am really opposed to identity politics and wouldn't vote for someone merely due to such random factors that don't say anything at all and that a person was just born with.
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: Evienne on January 14, 2018, 04:58:30 PM
I don't really get into politics, but what I do know for US is we currently have the opposite right now of that progress XD
But there have been recently transgender people getting into positions of political power.
Also it took a long time but we had a black president, something that years ago seemed as impossible as a trans president seems right now, so guess it's possible.
The better question though is will we still be a country by the time that happens XD
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: stmoraza on January 23, 2018, 03:09:48 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audrey_Tang

Not highest and not through election, though.
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: rebeccaanne07 on February 17, 2018, 05:42:28 PM
I love this question... I am in the Army, and have always loved politics to an extent. I want to get out, and maybe..... run for office. I have tossed around the idea of totally feminizing body, while still presenting as male. Run off all I have done, then after a year in office coming out. I just feel we need a voice, and we need people to see we are not crazy or disturbed.. I have made it 30 years, leading soldiers, I think I have the mental capacity to someday lead this country.
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: Rumples on February 27, 2018, 02:46:59 PM
The UK had Nikki Sinclair's who was an MEP. I think there's been a handful in local office.

Labour seems to be targeting every minority possible, so who knows.
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: Swedishgirl96 on December 01, 2018, 11:10:37 AM
I actually don't believe that that will happen, at lest not in the near future, in Sweden.
We have a lot of gay and lesbian politicians and they could probably become prime minister if they got the chance.
But we don't have any trans persons in our politics. I don't know why. Maybe it will come some day.
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: Linde on December 01, 2018, 12:09:37 PM
The German State of Bavaria has a member of the parliament who is openly trans MtF
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: Tentacles on December 03, 2018, 04:32:35 PM
Hmm. Cool you have these thoughts about Canada. I live in Sweden and I'm having a hard time picturing a trans person being president. We haven't even had a woman as president yet. But I guess it's not impossible....
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: GingerVicki on December 03, 2018, 06:27:49 PM
In the US I think a closeted transman might stand a chance. A transgender woman as 1st lady maybe. Trans woman as president...I doubt I will see that in my lifetime.

p.s. I'm a healthy 40yo
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: dima on December 16, 2018, 03:19:16 PM
in Ukraine, there are no positive progress in this direction and will not be in the near future
Ukrainian society is deeply transphobic and homophobic
top-level politicians take a hypocritical position to create beautiful but fake pictures for our western friends (Europe and the USA); in essence, they do nothing to help lgbt
regional politicians openly prohibit any public manifestations and LGBT character's actions; in turn, top-level politicians pretend not to see
Recently, at all levels of power, the rhetoric to protect traditional values ​​has intensified: (I see that my country is not moving to Europe
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: Linde on December 16, 2018, 07:08:20 PM
I think that Germany could accept such a person, considering that some top politicians are openly gay. 
The law was just changed to have an official third gender (X) to be allowed on passports, driver licensees, etc.
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: GingerVicki on December 16, 2018, 07:48:26 PM
I am positive that there are transgendered people living in the closet who did not do a public transition and are in places where people would not suspect. Obviously, they pass. What rank could one hold... I don't know.

https://www.cia.gov/news-information/featured-story-archive/2018-featured-story-archive/cia-celebrates-pride-month.html (https://www.cia.gov/news-information/featured-story-archive/2018-featured-story-archive/cia-celebrates-pride-month.html)
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: Linde on December 16, 2018, 09:34:35 PM
Quote from: GingerVicki on December 16, 2018, 07:48:26 PM
I am positive that there are transgendered people living in the closet who did not do a public transition and are in places where people would not suspect. Obviously, they pass. What rank could one hold... I don't know.

https://www.cia.gov/news-information/featured-story-archive/2018-featured-story-archive/cia-celebrates-pride-month.html (https://www.cia.gov/news-information/featured-story-archive/2018-featured-story-archive/cia-celebrates-pride-month.html)
Let's just hope that the orange comb over guy will not get a hold of this information!  If he sees that Clinton did that, he will go nuts about it!

Miss Spain is a transgender woman, and she is running in the Miss Universe contest today!

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/regional/2018/12/15/first-transgender-woman-to-contest-miss-universe-in-bangkok-is-from-spain/
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: GingerVicki on December 16, 2018, 10:14:49 PM
Quote from: Dietlind on December 16, 2018, 09:34:35 PM
Let's just hope that the orange comb over guy will not get a hold of this information!  If he sees that Clinton did that, he will go nuts about it!

Miss Spain is a transgender woman, and she is running in the Miss Universe contest today!

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/regional/2018/12/15/first-transgender-woman-to-contest-miss-universe-in-bangkok-is-from-spain/

He can only do so much especially since the House is Blue. The US just pulled out of Yemen right. Straight burn.

But back to the topic at hand. Heck yea. That is what I am talking about. She is pretty.
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: Devlyn on December 17, 2018, 01:36:34 AM
Quote from: Dietlind on December 16, 2018, 09:34:35 PM
Let's just hope that the orange comb over guy will not get a hold of this information!  If he sees that Clinton did that, he will go nuts about it!

Miss Spain is a transgender woman, and she is running in the Miss Universe contest today!

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/regional/2018/12/15/first-transgender-woman-to-contest-miss-universe-in-bangkok-is-from-spain/

Really slippery slope to go down picking on people for their physical appearance. As a community, that opens us up to a lot of pushback. Orange is the recommended shade to cover beard shadow, after all.

It's also a form of body shaming. Not cool.

Attack the policies, not the person.
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: Linde on December 17, 2018, 09:21:27 AM
Quote from: Devlyn on December 17, 2018, 01:36:34 AM
Really slippery slope to go down picking on people for their physical appearance. As a community, that opens us up to a lot of pushback. Orange is the recommended shade to cover beard shadow, after all.

It's also a form of body shaming. Not cool.

Attack the policies, not the person.
It's easy for you to say!  You don't have to live with him as your leader! This person does not have any policies, he just says and does what comes into his mind!
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: Devlyn on December 17, 2018, 09:29:03 AM
Quote from: Dietlind on December 17, 2018, 09:21:27 AM
It's easy for you to say!  You don't have to live with him as your leader! This person does not have any policies, he just says and does what comes into his mind!

I'm a US citizen currently visiting the UK. President Trump is my leader, and my military training taught me that you respect the office. My maturity has taught me not to use playground bully tactics, and pick on people's appearances. My involvement with the transgender community has taught me that we live in glass houses in this regard, and shouldn't throw stones.
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: Linde on December 17, 2018, 10:18:28 AM
Quote from: Devlyn on December 17, 2018, 09:29:03 AM
I'm a US citizen currently visiting the UK. President Trump is my leader, and my military training taught me that you respect the office. My maturity has taught me not to use playground bully tactics, and pick on people's appearances. My involvement with the transgender community has taught me that we live in glass houses in this regard, and shouldn't throw stones.
See, there we have a difference.  I do not have any military training, and was thus not trained to blindly follow orders of whoever considers him or herself to be the leader!

My scientific training taught me to never accept anything as given, and to question anybody and any theses.  And using these term the orange com over, I just used terms that are common place among many people, and I blend into the crowd.  If anybody makes fun of peoples disability, it is that person, and he is the one who is sitting in the glass house and is trowing stones at anybody in his way!

Anyway, you and I feel different about this, and I hope that he leaves us alone, because people like I (XXY) seem not to exist for him anyway!
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: Devlyn on December 17, 2018, 10:25:40 AM
Quote from: Dietlind on December 17, 2018, 10:18:28 AM
See, there we have a difference.  I do not have any military training, and was thus not trained to blindly follow orders of whoever considers him or herself to be the leader!

My scientific training taught me to never accept anything as given, and to question anybody and any theses.  And using these term the orange com over, I just used terms that are common place among many people, and I blend into the crowd.  If anybody makes fun of peoples disability, it is that person, and he is the one who is sitting in the glass house and is trowing stones at anybody in his way!

Anyway, you and I feel different about this, and I hope that he leaves us alone, because people like I (XXY) seem not to exist for him anyway!

Respect for the office is an old concept that has nothing to do with blindly following anything.

It is not my job to educate you. Do your homework yourself.
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: AnneK on December 17, 2018, 10:32:02 AM
QuoteRespect for the office

Respect for office and respect for the individual are two entirely different things.  Respect for the individual has to be earned.  Trump has certainly not earned respect.

I believe it was the head of NBC news who said he never thought he'd see the day when responding to the President of the U.S. was beneath his dignity.
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: Devlyn on December 17, 2018, 10:36:05 AM
Quote from: AnneK on December 17, 2018, 10:32:02 AM
Respect for office and respect for the individual are two entirely different things.  Respect for the individual has to be earned.  Trump has certainly not earned respect.

I believe it was the head of NBC news who said he never thought he'd see the day when responding to the President of the U.S. was beneath his dignity.


As I already addressed. If we want to be respected despite our physical faults, like big hands, broad shoulders, lack of curves, balding heads, bad wigs, and deep voices, who are we to mock someone with terms like "orange combover guy"?

I rest my case.
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: Linde on December 17, 2018, 10:36:34 AM
Quote from: AnneK on December 17, 2018, 10:32:02 AM
Respect for office and respect for the individual are two entirely different things.  Respect for the individual has to be earned.  Trump has certainly not earned respect.

I believe it was the head of NBC news who said he never thought he'd see the day when responding to the President of the U.S. was beneath his dignity.
I am fully with you.  I cannot respect a person just because she/he was supposedly elected to an office, no matter whether this person was a crook all life long, and still acts like one!
My mother was interned in a concentration camp, because not enough people questioned the then leader, and just followed him, because he was the holder of an office!
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: Cindy on December 17, 2018, 04:10:17 PM
 :police:


Please address the thread topic and not get into throwing insults about people. There are lots of social media areas that provide that outlet.

Cindy
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: MaryT on December 18, 2018, 01:12:05 PM

I think that a trans person could win, especially if his or her policies were more popular than those of the other candidates.  The first barrier, though, would be becoming the candidate of one's party in the first place and that depends largely on whether the party leaders regard the would-be candidate as having electable personal qualities.  That makes me ask the related question of whether a trans man would have an advantage over a trans woman.

In response to a question about who would win a particular election, someone, presumably in a bad mood, nastily replied
"People vote for the most macho candidate, even if it's a woman."
(It was me and I regret and apologise for saying it.)  Nasty, snide, unfair and just plain false it may have been but I think that the electorate do tend to vote for someone perceived as strong willed and fiercely patriotic (occasionally with historically disastrous results).

Of course, womanly women can have those qualities, especially those who stand for office.  However, do the electorate find those qualities  more believable in men?  If so, given that their policies were equally popular, would they be more likely to vote for a FTM trans candidate than a MTF one? 

Come to that, would a trans man have an advantage over a cis woman?
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: Ryuichi13 on December 18, 2018, 01:14:39 PM
Honestly, I hope to see a transgender Vice President in my lifetime (I'm almost 57.) 

I don't like our current president either, but I DO respect the office.  I feel the only thing that we can do is wait for 2020, when the current administration gets voted out of office.  Hopefully someone with an open mind and open heart will win the presidency then. 

In the meantime, this past election saw quite a few transgender people get elected into various offices.  So there's hope!  ;)

Ryuichi
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: CindyLouFromCO on December 18, 2018, 06:12:02 PM
Maybe we already have?  Maybe they never transitioned...
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: GingerVicki on December 18, 2018, 07:08:02 PM
Quote from: CindyLouFromCO on December 18, 2018, 06:12:02 PM
Maybe we already have?  Maybe they never transitioned...

I totally believe this. I am a firm believer that there are more non-transitioners than transitioners.
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: Ryuichi13 on December 18, 2018, 09:36:47 PM
Quote from: GingerVicki on December 18, 2018, 07:08:02 PM
I totally believe this. I am a firm believer that there are more non-transitioners than transitioners.

I'm with you!  It takes courage to transition, and to some, it might not be worth the trouble, heartache and sometimes scary changes that it takes to do so.

To those people, I wish them the best of luck.  They probably need it.

Ryuichi
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: Haley Conner on April 01, 2019, 02:10:34 PM
There was J Edgar Hoover.  I don't think he quite qualifies, but it's in the neighborhood.
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: Zumbagirl on April 03, 2019, 06:44:18 AM
Never going to happen, ever.
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: Devlyn on April 03, 2019, 07:21:40 AM
Quote from: Zumbagirl on April 03, 2019, 06:44:18 AM
Never going to happen, ever.

I think a few decades ago it was conventional wisdom that we would never elect a person of colour or a woman, to the office, but we've cleared one of those hurdles already, and nearly cleared the other. Given time, I'm sure a transgender person can achieve it.

On a side note, the "highest office" is currently not held by the President, but by the House and Senate with their lack of term limits. They are career politicians and wield most of the power.
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: Rhonda Lynn on April 12, 2019, 08:03:38 PM
I believe we are about one generation behind where gays are. In the 1980s, it was still okay to make fun of gays just like it is still okay for people to make fun of us. Also in the 1980s, many people, perhaps even a majority openly referred to gays as mentally ill or deviant.

Only in the last couple of weeks, Pete Buttigieg appears to be the first openly gay presidential candidate to really be breaking into the top tier of the polls. Amazingly, it doesn't seem like the fact that he's gay is really the most important thing about him.

I hope that is where we can get to at some point. That is, that a trans candidate could run and the fact that they're trans is not considered all that important.
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: GingerVicki on April 12, 2019, 08:07:54 PM
Not to sound crazy, but I am pretty sure that the strings are pulled from people we never hear about.
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: Madison2002 on April 27, 2019, 10:08:51 PM
Quote from: CindyLouFromCO on December 18, 2018, 06:12:02 PM
Maybe we already have?  Maybe they never transitioned...

I could totes see Nixon being closeted trans, lolz. He was way too vindictive against openly gay people, to a suspicious degree.  :P
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: KathyLauren on April 28, 2019, 08:03:34 AM
It could happen here (Canada) eventually.  Not for quite a long time, though.  I fear that we could elect a fascist before that happens.
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: Devlyn on April 28, 2019, 11:28:31 AM
Well, well, well...

https://www.gaystarnews.com/article/meet-pam-rocker-the-black-trans-woman-running-for-president-of-the-united-states/#gs.7y69ju
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: Bea1968 on April 28, 2019, 11:34:06 AM
I expect the US will eventually get to that point.  I do not believe I will live to see it though.
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: MaryT on April 28, 2019, 03:53:21 PM
Quote from: Devlyn on April 28, 2019, 11:28:31 AM
Well, well, well...

https://www.gaystarnews.com/article/meet-pam-rocker-the-black-trans-woman-running-for-president-of-the-united-states/#gs.7y69ju

That's wonderful.  I think that some of her platform is impractical, though.  Giving a free car to every family seems less environmentally friendly than compulsory recycling.  Also, if all descendants of slaves get reparation, however small, what would the criteria be?  Many people who look white have black ancestors, and some freed slaves owned slaves themselves:
Did Black People Own Slaves? (https://www.theroot.com/did-black-people-own-slaves-1790895436)
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: Melody Rich on February 03, 2024, 06:31:12 AM
Personally, I am a conservative and a Republican, which flies in the face of my transgender status, but shouldn't.

My belief is that being a conservative has two parts.
1. The belief in individual freedom.  That said, if I want to wear a dress and change my name to Melody, this nation affords people to do that.

2.  Personal responsibility.  I have a duty to be responsible for my own actions. However, I can not force others to think and act they way I would like. You don't want to call me "her", that's fine.  You don't need to.

So, to answer the question.  I think having a transgender president is fine.  I'm not one of those people who are hoping to break a barrier and be part of history though.  It is important though that people realize that we are a variation of human development and while not mainstream, there is nothing abnormal about us.

My only hope is that if we do have a transgender president, there is an R after the name.

Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: Jenn104 on February 03, 2024, 07:28:38 AM
In no way, shape, or form is it possible to imagine a transgender president being elected here in the states, at least in the short term. While I would vote for a trans person, based on his/her/their policy preferences, I can't see either party nominating a trans or NB person for a long time.

I can imagine a trans candidacy along the lines of Shirley Chisolm in 1972.  It'd be kinda cool.

As for D vs R.. increasingly it does not matter to me. Jerry Garcia's words apply-- "constantly choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil".

Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: Brooke Renee on February 03, 2024, 10:10:56 AM
Hello,

Based on the estimated percentage of trans people in the US, there is already a likely chance that one of the 45 occasionally slipped on a pair of heels in the Oval. 

As for as electing an openly trans person?  Gulp, I can't see that happening.  From what I have seen, the link between religion and politics has become inextricably entangled in the US.  For many, this has become their yardstick in which to measure everyone to their narrow view of morality.  The far right espouses freedom but they only seek freedom for those that agree with them.  For the MAGA tribe this is white, christian, straight, male, etc.  Any trans person that would run for would be subject to a litany of attacks from the pulpits, general population, and right wing media such as FOX.  It would take an incredible person to overcome this onslaught of hate and ignorance. 



 

Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: ChrissyRyan on February 03, 2024, 10:15:19 AM
Who knows!  I want the best person for the position.
I would not vote for a particular person JUST because of gender identity.
Perhaps as a tie breaker but rarely are two possible candidates equally perceived.
So far I have not knowingly been presented with this situation.

Chrissy
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: D'Amalie on February 06, 2024, 12:54:46 PM
In UK or USA, I don't see it happening for at least 50 years, unless a miracle happens.
Title: Re: Do you think your country would elected a trans* person to its highest office?
Post by: Mariah on February 06, 2024, 02:47:34 PM
Probably never hear in the USA. Hugs
Mariah