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Title: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: SaveMeJeebus on July 28, 2013, 05:26:56 PM
I am lame as i have never read a comic from either franchise. I will someday, and i will go to a comic con too. I have seen various episodes, animated, live-action, non-live, and numerous movies. But where do i stand?

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Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: Emmaline on August 02, 2013, 11:49:30 AM
Marvel for me.

I will go to comicon in a spidergirl outfit one day...
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: Shodan on August 02, 2013, 11:58:37 AM
It's about 50/50 for me. While I love the Marvel universe and how it's done an amazing job of building a consistent and interconnected universe, DC has some of my favorite titles: Hellblazer, Sandman, and Animal Man are all part of the DC cannon, and then there's Green Lantern. I love me some Geoff Johns GL.
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: Amelia Pond on August 02, 2013, 12:16:30 PM
I like them both. However, I'm really more of a DC girl. ;)

If you're talking about more recent comics, both have good and bad comics. DC messed some things up with New 52 that I don't like but some comics are still good.

I have also found that DC/WB generally makes very good animated films and many good TV shows but their live action movies...  :icon_blah:

Their more recent live action TV shows have been awesome (Smallville, Arrow, and hopefully the upcoming Flash show) though.

From some of the Marvel Now comics I've read Marvel seems like it's improving. I was an avid Marvel fan in the early 90's but took a break from them, stupid teenage years making me think I was sooo mature  :rolleyes:, until the early 2000's and then, IMHO, Marvel had just gone downhill. It lost a lot of what made it great before. Some comics were okay during this time but not for the most part. Then again, some people loved Marvel when I thought they were lousy.

I've also found that Marvel makes better live action movies (thank you Marvel Studios) than they make animated movies/shows. They still have some good animated stuff too.

Amy
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: Dreams2014 on August 02, 2013, 12:41:13 PM
I mostly find comics cheesy. But as far as they go, DC Batman graphic novels are great. Specifically the Dark Knight mythos. Any graphic novel that portrays the dark aspects of the Batman universe is just brilliant.

Batman: Year one
Dark Knight Returns
The Killing Joke
Arkham Asylum (the novel, not the game, but the game is good too!)
The Man Who Laughs
Gotham by Gaslight
Knightfall
The Long Halloween

are just a few great ones that DC has to offer.
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: chrissydr on August 02, 2013, 03:03:44 PM
I have been a Marvel fan for as long as I can remember. Wolverine, and Rogue are 2 of my favorite characters. But I also a big Batman fan, and hope to one day cosplay as Harley Quinn. I love her so much, that I even had her image from the Arkham Asylum tattooed on my leg. I just love the dark and twisted  way her mind works. And I love the fact that although, Batman will do anything to get what he needs done, he just won't kill anyone.
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: Madison Leigh on August 02, 2013, 03:20:22 PM
Not really a "comics" person, so this is based more on the movies (specifically "live action" movies at that).

Neither had ever really been an attraction to me (much to my roommate's consternation), until I saw Iron Man.  I loved the way RDJ played Tony Stark, and for that matter I enjoyed Gwenneth Paltrow's work as well.  I'll admit I didn't care for Iron Man 2 as much; but then I saw the Avengers and that sold me on things.  I've since went back and watched Captain America and Thor and while I don't think either one was as good as Iron Man or the Avengers - well I did enjoy both.  I haven't seen the Hulk or Iron Man 3 yet (heard the Hulk wasn't so great), but I will. 

As far as DC goes - some of the movies I've liked, some not so much.
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: Dreams2014 on August 02, 2013, 03:53:45 PM
Quote from: Madison Leigh on August 02, 2013, 03:20:22 PM
Not really a "comics" person, so this is based more on the movies (specifically "live action" movies at that).

Neither had ever really been an attraction to me (much to my roommate's consternation), until I saw Iron Man.  I loved the way RDJ played Tony Stark, and for that matter I enjoyed Gwenneth Paltrow's work as well.  I'll admit I didn't care for Iron Man 2 as much; but then I saw the Avengers and that sold me on things.  I've since went back and watched Captain America and Thor and while I don't think either one was as good as Iron Man or the Avengers - well I did enjoy both.  I haven't seen the Hulk or Iron Man 3 yet (heard the Hulk wasn't so great), but I will. 

As far as DC goes - some of the movies I've liked, some not so much.

Not even Batman Begins and Dark Knight?
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: Edge on August 02, 2013, 04:16:42 PM
I prefer Marvel, but like some DC.
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: Dreams2014 on August 02, 2013, 04:18:53 PM
Quote from: Edge on August 02, 2013, 04:16:42 PM
I prefer Marvel, but like some DC.

Gotta say I love the Punisher. He's so awesome he should be with DC really.
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: Madison Leigh on August 02, 2013, 04:27:25 PM
Quote from: Dreams2014 on August 02, 2013, 03:53:45 PM
Not even Batman Begins and Dark Knight?

Nah those were pretty good - I would've put them under the "some of the movies I've liked" column.  Still think I prefer Iron Man and Avengers over both though.
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: Dreams2014 on August 02, 2013, 04:32:49 PM
Quote from: Madison Leigh on August 02, 2013, 04:27:25 PM
Nah those were pretty good - I would've put them under the "some of the movies I've liked" column.  Still think I prefer Iron Man and Avengers over both though.

RDJ makes an excellent Stark I agree. I was never quite sure how I felt as Christian Bale playing Bruce Wayne.
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: Madison Leigh on August 02, 2013, 04:42:59 PM
Quote from: Dreams2014 on August 02, 2013, 04:32:49 PM
RDJ makes an excellent Stark I agree. I was never quite sure how I felt as Christian Bale playing Bruce Wayne.

Yeah RDJ manages to be the d*ck that his character is, but be likable at the same time - not an easy feat.
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: Shodan on August 02, 2013, 05:11:36 PM
Quote from: Dreams2014 on August 02, 2013, 04:32:49 PM
RDJ makes an excellent Stark I agree. I was never quite sure how I felt as Christian Bale playing Bruce Wayne.

I liked him just fine as Wayne. It's when he's Batman that it just kind of fell apart for me.
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: Amelia Pond on August 02, 2013, 05:16:40 PM
Quote from: Shodan on August 02, 2013, 05:11:36 PM
I liked him just fine as Wayne. It's when he's Batman that it just kind of fell apart for me.

Those are my feelings about it too. In fact, the only parts of The Dark Knight that I did like, were the parts with Bruce Wayne. I didn't care for the rest of the film/acting.

Amy
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: Shodan on August 02, 2013, 05:23:46 PM
It's the voice. Bale's Bat-Voice is hilariously awful.
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: SaveMeJeebus on August 02, 2013, 05:56:45 PM
Where do i begin?

Smallville was great, but i started to get tired towards the end. I blazed through seven seasons; I got into to it late. I have yet to see Arrow (I know Stephen from Hung), heard it has been good, i might eventually get around to watching it.

I liked the original Superman and Batman movies. The new Batman trilogy is a lot better though. I have yet to see Man Of Steel, but i heard its good.  They have announced Batman VS Superman. I am not convinced. Apparently Warner Bros are looking for an actor in their 40s to play Batman next.  Josh Brolin was one guy mentioned, and probably my favourite thus far.

I had a few Batman comics on my Amazon wishlist. I recall The Long Halloween, The Killing Joke, Arkham Asylum, and Year One. I was looking at 'Top 10 lists'. I couldn't decide what one to go with first  :-X

My Uncle hates the new Batman trilogy  :o

Robert Downey Jr definitely has a spark. I don't think i appreciated Iron Man 2 as much as the first. I have yet to see Iron Man 3; Mandarin seems lackluster  :-X



Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: King Malachite on August 07, 2013, 11:00:21 PM
If this was Marvel vs Capcom that would be easier.  I don't really read comics, but if I had to choose, I'd chose whoever team Cole Macgrath is on and I believe that's DC
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: Dreams2014 on August 08, 2013, 02:04:55 AM
Well that only exists in video games. Making a real life comparison between Marvel and Capcom would be like seriously comparing Coca Cola with hamburgers.
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: Chelle on August 08, 2013, 02:26:42 AM
As Marvel vs. Capcom says, "It's Mahvel, Baby!"

Here is what I see as the differences between Marvel and DC. Marvel has very down-to-Earth, sort of average Joe superheroes. If you've seen The Avengers, Thor, or heard about The Guardians of the Galaxy movie, it may seem like this isn't true. But at the heart of Marvel characters, especially all of the old school ones, are regular people dealing with extraordinary circumstances. They are easier to relate to. Spider-Man, Iron Man, Fantastic Four, Punisher, X-Men, they're all very human characters who have had some drastic change befall them and a lot of their stories are about them dealing with what's happened to them. Some books (looking at you, X-Men) have an almost Soap Opera feel.

DC has a more cosmic, world-shattering flavor. Their main characters deal with constant threats to the entire well-being of the Earth. Superman is always saving the entire world from some extraterrestrial threat. Green Lantern is really an average Joe at heart, like I mentioned above regarding Marvel, but he flies around the universe and deals with all kinds of crazy aliens. Wonder Woman is basically a god! Batman is a great character, but not as relatable as, say, Spider-Man. (Unless you're a billionaire!) I feel like the difference between Marvel and DC, in general, is small-scope vs. large-scope. DC's Vertigo line (Sandman, Hellblazer, Preacher, Swamp Thing, and many more) is a whole other entity.

I lean Marvel, but still enjoy a lot of DC stuff. Of course, they both have great characters and great stories (and they both have a lot of misses, as well). I love Batman. If you're looking for a starter book, The Long Halloween is really amazing. Year One is also very good. I would choose those to start with. If you're looking at Batman, another great series to check out is Gotham Central. It's like the old show Homicide or Law and Order, but based in Gotham. No real superheroes, just cops investigating the crimes that supervillains and wanna-bes leave behind when the superheroes are done.

Also, check out Batwoman!!! Check out the graphic novel, Batwoman: Elegy. So awesome!
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: oh hai! on January 18, 2014, 05:03:04 AM
Marvel easily and forever. I had all my first questions about gender with Marvel:

Elektra
Black Widow
Storm
Mystique
She-Hulk
Scarlet Witch
Rogue
Jean Grey
Emma Frost
A bunch more...

Whereas DC has:

Wonder Woman
Harley Quinn
Umm, Catwoman I guess (Now I'm stretching)...
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: Emmaline on January 23, 2014, 06:14:56 PM
Just bought batgirl #19- first DC transgender character comes out.

Now back to marvel...
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: Ms Grace on January 26, 2014, 04:28:17 PM
I have that issue...have to admit I found it hard to believe the great Batgirl detective was unable to tell her roomie of several months was trans*! That lady really knows how to pass apparently! Sadly there hasn't been mention of it since, and that character has now pretty much dropped off the batdar! :-\
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: KatVonDoom on March 22, 2014, 11:45:12 AM
I'm pretty solidly a Marvel girl, though my absolute two favorite comics are Batman and the Invisibles, so I have to have some love for DC, especially the Vertigo imprint. Sigh...the saddest casualty of the new 52 :,(
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: TheQuestion on May 21, 2014, 09:58:46 PM
I've read and own a pretty gross amount of comics and graphic novels.  I also own all episodes of X-Men TAS, Batman TAS, Batman Beyond, Superman TAS, Justice League, and Justice League Unlimited (Spiderman TAS and Hulk better be released soon, or I'll probably have an aneurism).  I have a huge collection of Marvel Legends and DC Universe Classic figures too + pretty much every superhero movie ever made.  I like Spawn and TMNT as well, so I'm an OK judge, and I'd say Marvel.  You really can't totally ignore DC though, lot of great characters and stories.
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: Shodan on May 22, 2014, 07:00:50 PM
I was just talking about this  with somebody the other day, and I realized that all my favorite titles from DC (save for GL) exclusively come from their Vertigo line. The line where DC basically took the lid off and said, 'Okay folks, have a field day!' These titles generally tended to be more visceral, more empathetic, more down to earth than the main DC line. There was mythology to them, and that's something that Marvel has always done well. No matter what, Marvel comics felt like they all belonged in the same universe, had history with each other, and generally did a superior job of worldbuilding. Vertigo, especially with the Sadman, Hellblazer, and Swamp Thing titles managed to capture that as well. 
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: dalebert on May 22, 2014, 07:10:56 PM
Quote from: Shodan on May 22, 2014, 07:00:50 PM
No matter what, Marvel comics felt like they all belonged in the same universe, had history with each other, and generally did a superior job of worldbuilding.

Tend to agree and I like Marvel best myself, but this video pointed out something that I hadn't thought about recently--how there are plenty of people with superpowers that are beloved by the general community (ex: Spider-man) but for some reason mutants are almost universally feared and hated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvkCv5cCD5Y

Quote from: Shodan on May 22, 2014, 07:00:50 PM
Vertigo, especially with the Sadman, Hellblazer, and Swamp Thing titles managed to capture that as well.

Those are the best! I was a huge fan of Sandman. It's one of the few comics that I actually aggressively followed for a while.
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: LJP on May 22, 2014, 07:19:54 PM
I like both, but Marvel is my fav. Longtime Xmen fangirl here.
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: Shodan on May 23, 2014, 10:22:39 AM
Quote from: dalebert on May 22, 2014, 07:10:56 PM
Tend to agree and I like Marvel best myself, but this video pointed out something that I hadn't thought about recently--how there are plenty of people with superpowers that are beloved by the general community (ex: Spider-man) but for some reason mutants are almost universally feared and hated.

Well, keep in mind that a) X-Men was an allegory for the LGBT crowd in the 70s, and b) Spider-Man was not beloved by the general community. He had to work long and hard to get his reputation up to where it is today. Of course having the Marvel version of Rupert Murdoch trying to tank his reputation didn't help at all either. About the only hero that Marvel had that was nearly universally loved was Captain America. And even then, he had his days.

Also, this: http://observationdeck.io9.com/mcu-vs-dccu-i-finally-understand-the-difference-1571528900 is a good article that enumerates probably the primary differences between the two (Again, I'm talking strictly the main, non-Vertigo lines): Empathy.
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: dalebert on May 23, 2014, 11:35:34 AM
Maybe this is the appropriate thread. I just saw Days of Future Past and it would be hard for me to exaggerate just how good this movie is. My only beef is not enough Quicksilver. My favorite scene involved him. But it's not like there weren't plenty of great scenes throughout the rest of the movie so that's not much of a criticism.
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: TheQuestion on May 24, 2014, 10:55:14 AM
Quote from: dalebert on May 23, 2014, 11:35:34 AM
Maybe this is the appropriate thread. I just saw Days of Future Past and it would be hard for me to exaggerate just how good this movie is. My only beef is not enough Quicksilver. My favorite scene involved him. But it's not like there weren't plenty of great scenes throughout the rest of the movie so that's not much of a criticism.

Yeah, your totally right, really great movie. X-Men is easily my favorite comic franchise and I'd say DOFP was easily the best flick, not just for X-Men, but of all the Marvel movies. I can't wait for X-Men: Apocalypse and I'm really pulling for an X-Force movie as well; Cable is one of my favorites.
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: chrissydr on May 24, 2014, 05:44:52 PM
Honestly, we just need a proper Deadpool movie.
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: dalebert on May 24, 2014, 06:04:47 PM
Quote from: chrissydr on May 24, 2014, 05:44:52 PM
Honestly, we just need a proper Deadpool movie.

But he was in that Wolverine movie! </sarcasm>
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: TheQuestion on May 24, 2014, 07:40:55 PM
Quote from: chrissydr on May 24, 2014, 05:44:52 PM
Honestly, we just need a proper Deadpool movie.

I'd take Cable over Deadpool, but yeah, he needs a good flick. I also wanna see a Dr. Strange movie...
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: Shodan on May 27, 2014, 12:09:08 AM
Quote from: TheQuestion on May 24, 2014, 07:40:55 PM
I'd take Cable over Deadpool, but yeah, he needs a good flick. I also wanna see a Dr. Strange movie...

I still froth at the mouth over Cable and how he contributed to the fall of the New Mutants.

It really is because of Liefeld. He turned my favorite comic book into "IT'S GARY STU TIME!!!!"  While I understand that the character has evolved beyond Rob's self-insertion wish fulfillment there's just too much bad blood for me to ever like the character.
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: HoneyStrums on May 27, 2014, 12:48:47 AM
Why Choose one or the other?

Iron man and Batman I love.
Just like the I got no powers but. I can buy can use science money and brains to do the same.

I think its more about the type of character then the company.
eg if i ever go to comicon

its going to be as Cat woman of The black Cat because of the same reasons. love them for the outfits and the sassy flirtatious charater.
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: chrissydr on May 29, 2014, 02:33:22 PM
Deadpool and Cable would make an awesome buddy type of movie. Pinky and the Brain style.
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: GCGins on July 03, 2014, 04:55:24 AM
So first real post here! DC universe all the way! Marvel is good, but just not as amazing. lol

I love the FLash, he is amazing and my number one idol that I would dress as when I do my first Cosplay. I am not a TG but I would also love to dress as Wonder Woman I would feel so sexy! Tehe I have never admitted I want to dress as a girl.

I would love to see Flash battle Quicksilver.
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: Felix on July 04, 2014, 10:30:47 PM
Image or Dark Horse. Or DC, if I have to follow the rules. Some of the Vertigo stuff is amazing.
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: Eevee on July 15, 2014, 06:44:28 PM
I like most things from Marvel, but DC often bothers me with their stories and characters. I guess Alan Moore's stories (like Watchmen and V For Vendetta) were DC, so not everything there is bad. I also love Batman villains (Harley and Mista J!).
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: Xenguy on July 15, 2014, 07:00:25 PM
I much prefer Marvel, mostly because I got over obsessed with Spiderman at a young age XD And then the avengers.... and the shows..... and the movies...... and yeah XD

I like some DC superheros, I think they're cool, just, not for me I guess XP My brother likes them both the same, he thinks each has their ups and downs.
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: TheQuestion on July 15, 2014, 07:10:27 PM
I literally just watched Captain America and I'd give it a C+
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: TheQuestion on July 15, 2014, 07:12:28 PM
Good grade, but one of the weakest Marvel flicks I've seen so far.  I've watched them in order, next is Avengers, might watch it tonight...
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: Trini on July 28, 2014, 12:15:31 AM
Marvel has Loki, enough said. XD

Heh, actually do like Marvel since a lot of my favorite movies are there. Iron Man series, Xmen and Spiderman primarily.
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: LeftistLeslie on August 11, 2014, 07:16:45 PM
Quote from: SaveMeJeebus on July 28, 2013, 05:26:56 PM
I am lame as i have never read a comic from either franchise. I will someday, and i will go to a comic con too. I have seen various episodes, animated, live-action, non-live, and numerous movies. But where do i stand?

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They both have their charms. My favorite characters are from both: Dream, Death, Constantine, Oracle, Batman from DC. The Professor X, Magnito, Mystique, Storm, Shadowcat from Marvel.
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: Emmaline on August 12, 2014, 07:21:00 AM
Raise ya.

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Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: Dread_Faery on September 03, 2014, 06:13:59 PM
The Dredd universe kicks both to touch. Marvel and DC (not including vertigo) are both gloriously ridiculous, especially after all the retconning.
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: TicTac on May 16, 2018, 04:59:29 PM
DC Universe because of the Teen Titans + Raven and that is about it. If the Teen Titans did not exist then I would have no interest in superhero anything.
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: Amaki on May 31, 2018, 10:10:37 PM
Its hard to say 100% I like one side over the other but Id say I know a little more about DC over marvel

Favorite heroes (from both in no real order)
Iron man, Batman, Spiderman, Gambit, Teen Titans, Deadpool (all of these and a few more Im drawing a blank on >< long week) but yeah I enjoy the main stories as well as all the sub and what if runs. One of my favorite DC animated movies is flashpoint paradox, oh and Hulk lol
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: TheDelBel on July 16, 2018, 11:38:05 AM
Marvel
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: Charlie Nicki on July 17, 2018, 02:26:07 PM
While I absolutely love the X-Men and their underdog nature, I'm a DC girl at heart. My favorite superheroes are Wonder Woman and Supergirl.
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: graspthesanity on May 23, 2019, 12:49:59 PM
DC because of the old Batman and Doom Patrol!  ;D
Title: Re: DC Universe or Marvel?
Post by: Vethrvolnir on May 23, 2019, 02:44:42 PM
I hate Marvel ...I'm a Loki fan.
I have no idea what dc is