I know this is a strange question. I'm all right being a male although a small female part always exists in me. The problem is that that female part makes me want to give up my testis and have a vaginal opening. I know. It's weird, isn't it?
My desire is clear and firm. If I can't make it perfect, at least I want to lose my testicles.
What I'm concerned for now is the possibility of my desire.
Let's say that I don't care about how deep my vagina will be and I'm willing to give up the erection of my penis, is it surgically possible to make this happen?
Thank you.
Sadly...no. The penile shaft goes through that space which would block any attempt to create a vagina, no matter how shallow. :( Sorry.
However...it's not that cray. You're not the first to think of it, or ask about it here. You're not alone.
Quote from: Sevan on November 20, 2011, 11:02:35 PM
Sadly...no. The penile shaft goes through that space which would block any attempt to create a vagina, no matter how shallow. :( Sorry.
However...it's not that cray. You're not the first to think of it, or ask about it here. You're not alone.
Can you please explain a bit more?
I assume you are a biological female, so you know very well.
The opening or orifice is where the scrotum is, isn't it? Then how the penile shaft block the opening?
Besides, the penis doesn't erect, shouldn't there be some space?
I am no surgeon so I can not say.
However...do some palpating down there and feel where the penile shaft is and how far it goes up inside your body.
There simply is no room.
I really thought there would be room...but after my wife (MtF. CynthiaLee who posted here) got her testical removal I really thought there would be a shallow space left. There isn't. The scrotum is empty there, but there's no internal space. The penis extends on the inside through that space. It even extends further back than that. (on the inside) So there's just no space. If you remove the penis entirely there is a cavity (as I understand...could be wrong) which they use in SRS, but without the penis removed there's no space.
If there was the ability to do that...so far, we know of no surgeon world wide that will take non-binary patients. Seems to have surgery you have to present as being fully male or female identified. Not between.
Quote from: mynhii on November 20, 2011, 10:51:30 PM
I know this is a strange question. I'm all right being a male although a small female part always exists in me. The problem is that that female part makes me want to give up my testis and have a vaginal opening. I know. It's weird, isn't it?
My desire is clear and firm. If I can't make it perfect, at least I want to lose my testicles.
What I'm concerned for now is the possibility of my desire.
Let's say that I don't care about how deep my vagina will be and I'm willing to give up the erection of my penis, is it surgically possible to make this happen?
Thank you.
No, it's physiologically impossible as a vagina positioned lower would collapse into the anal cavity. Google "Rectocele." That will give you an explanation as to why it would be impossible.
And no certified doctor would even attempt it.
Quote from: Annah on November 21, 2011, 12:14:16 AM
No, it's physiologically impossible as a vagina positioned lower would collapse into the anal cavity. Google "Rectocele." That will give you an explanation as to why it would be impossible.
And no certified doctor would even attempt it.
I see. So in an SRS, besides the scrotum bisected, the perineum is also cut a bit, isn't it?
I think it could be possible to remove erectile tissue to make space, little problem is that penis will be then just inflated, but without support of root will not stand
Basically you will not find a licensed surgeon who will do it. And I suppose the question comes; Why would you want to? What life do you want to live? And how?
Quote from: Annah on November 21, 2011, 12:14:16 AM
No, it's physiologically impossible as a vagina positioned lower would collapse into the anal cavity.
I agree. The penis is too big. If you tried to place a hole below the shaft of the penis, it would be way too close to the anus. If you tried to place a hole where a vagina should be, you would basically just be drilling a hole into the base of the penis. That probably wouldn't turn out too well....
In generally it's not possible for both genitalia in adult developed state to exist on same person. corpus cavernosum is the key to sexual dimorphism.
Quote from: mynhii on November 21, 2011, 01:48:53 AM
I see. So in an SRS, besides the scrotum bisected, the perineum is also cut a bit, isn't it?
the skin is yes, but internally things are re/moved to make way for vaginoplasty.
Quote from: Sevan on November 20, 2011, 11:58:38 PM
If there was the ability to do that...so far, we know of no surgeon world wide that will take non-binary patients. Seems to have surgery you have to present as being fully male or female identified. Not between.
I didn't have a problem with my surgeon (me being genderqueer), but generally the issue is more the request then the identity of the person requesting.
Was this really a serious question?
There's no reason to assume this isn't a serious question for some people - it's certainly not the first time it's been asked here. People want different things, and it's perfectly valid to find out what's possible.
At the gym in the showers I have seen some GG's that are serious roid abusers and they appear to have a penis in front of there vaginal canal. However, I don't know if the opposite is true perhaps some exotic hybrid surgical procedure but then there's finding someone to do that??
Quote from: Cyndigurl45 on November 21, 2011, 06:33:22 AM
... perhaps some exotic hybrid surgical procedure but then there's finding someone to do that??
If someone want then can find many "surgeons" to do anything
Cutting legs or arms (it is interesting some people hate their limbs and want them removed and some even after long fight with authorities have permission to do it legal way)
Implanting strange things
etc.
Quote from: mynhii on November 20, 2011, 10:51:30 PM
I know this is a strange question. I'm all right being a male although a small female part always exists in me. The problem is that that female part makes me want to give up my testis and have a vaginal opening. I know. It's weird, isn't it?
My desire is clear and firm. If I can't make it perfect, at least I want to lose my testicles.
What I'm concerned for now is the possibility of my desire.
Let's say that I don't care about how deep my vagina will be and I'm willing to give up the erection of my penis, is it surgically possible to make this happen?
Thank you.
Technically speaking, this is possible, yes. The question is how "workable" your vagina will be, as the erectile tissue are likely to block the vaginal opening during erection.
But you will ofcourse have atleast a
degree of satisfaction, not any least psychologically.
After all, in the days when the SRS-techniques were still primitive comparing totodays techniques, many T-women were nonetheless fully happy with the result anyways, as it made them happy psychologically.
Anyway, you should try asking around SRS-surgeons about your inquiry and atleast discuss the possibility.
I do know that some of the renomed SRS-surgeons, such as Meltzer, have done experimental surgery before on the patients behalf, so perhaps you could start with him?
Marci Bowers and Mcquinn are two other good surgeons that should have understanding in these matters aswell, as they are both TS.
As for the surgery itself, the vaginal opening would be positioned right below and at the base of the penile shaft, but the opening will lack a clitoris, as the the glans on the penis in this scenario will be left intact.
You will however probably have the surrounding scrotal tissue reconstructed into labias, as the scrotal sack will otherwise be too much in the way for the entrance.
As for the vaginal canal itself, it will need to be made with a Sigmoid Colon-segment.
So again,
technically speaking, it is fully possible. The "problem" is to find someone that wants to perform the surgery, and, how functional the vagina will be during erection without getting fully blocked.
But as I said, ask around and don't give up on your dream!
Quote from: Annah on November 21, 2011, 12:14:16 AM
No, it's physiologically impossible as a vagina positioned lower would collapse into the anal cavity. Google "Rectocele." That will give you an explanation as to why it would be impossible.
And no certified doctor would even attempt it.
Stanley Biber's first patient was an acquaintance that had dreams of having a Vaginoplasty and handed over a handdrawn sketch to Biber of how s/he imagined the vagina would be made- which Biber agreed to doing.
Toby Meltzer(I think) performed a Vaginoplasty on a MTF he knew that wanted to keep her testicles and have them pushed back into the stomach, so that she could keep her male orgams-abilities.
Surgeons perform experimental surgeries all the time.
Quote from: Medusa on November 21, 2011, 07:27:45 AM
If someone want then can find many "surgeons" to do anything
Cutting legs or arms (it is interesting some people hate their limbs and want them removed and some even after long fight with authorities have permission to do it legal way)
Implanting strange things
etc.
A surgeon cannot do that. It is physiologically impossible. Removing an arm or a leg is much different than inserting a vagina between the existing penis and the anus.
It's mind boggling that people are still thinking this kind of surgery is possible.
Quote from: Bishounen on November 21, 2011, 09:33:47 AM
Stanley Biber's first patient was an acquaintance that had dreams of having a Vaginoplasty and handed over a handdrawn sketch to Biber of how s/he imagined the vagina would be made- which Biber agreed to doing.
Toby Meltzer(I think) performed a Vaginoplasty on a MTF he knew that wanted to keep her testicles and have them pushed back into the stomach, so that she could keep her male orgams-abilities.
Surgeons perform experimental surgeries all the time.
I am talking about the fact that a doctor will not perform surgery on a person where the surgery will result in immediate rectocele. I am not talking about ethical concerns.
And can you source the link where Dr. Meltzer pushed a pair of testicles into someone's stomach so that she could keep her "male orgasm abilities." Because I currently question this.
Quote from: Annah on November 21, 2011, 10:58:39 AM
I am talking about the fact that a doctor will not perform surgery on a person where the surgery will result in immediate rectocele. I am not talking about ethical concerns.
And can you source the link where Dr. Meltzer pushed a pair of testicles into someone's stomach so that she could keep her "male orgasm abilities." Because I currently question this.
The article is unfortunately no longer avaible, but, the patient went by the name Tess Cowell and the article was titled "Meet Tess: A New Dance of Scalpel and Soul."
However the technique is not anything new, and was during a time actually frequently used by some surgeons during the 50's regarding SRS, where the testicles were pushed back into the inguinal canales.
The technique was started by Elmer Belt.
Nowadays, the technique is abandoned for several reasons, but occasionaly a MTF requests having the testicles preserved for male orgasmic abilities. Nothing odd, everyone are different and have different needs even in the T-community, no matter how shocking that may seem.
Quote from: Annah on November 21, 2011, 10:55:14 AM
A surgeon cannot do that. It is physiologically impossible. Removing an arm or a leg is much different than inserting a vagina between the existing penis and the anus.
It's mind boggling that people are still thinking this kind of surgery is possible.
It is more mindboogling that poeople still think it isn't.
It is technically fully possible, the issue is how funtional the vaginal canal will be, not whether it can be created.
By the way, the following linked text taken from a memberpost on Laura's; a Turkish SRS-surgeon, is an interesting read.
An outdraft from the longer text;
QuoteYears ago I met a TS on the net. She demanded from me a genital operation where I had to keep her penis and build a vagina too. I said that it could be achieved technically but that I had to be sure about its ethical and legal side. I had written that to Harry Benjamin Institute. I was amazed when I read the reply from them. Shortly speaking they were telling me that I may operate if I am sure that I can achieve her goal technically and that she will be happy thereafter. Nevertheless I resigned from operating her because I was still not sure about its ethical and legal consequences.
Link: http://www.lauras-playground.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=35522 (http://www.lauras-playground.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=35522)
Quote from: Bishounen on November 21, 2011, 09:26:07 AM
Technically speaking, this is possible, yes. The question is how "workable" your vagina will be, as the erectile tissue are likely to block the vaginal opening during erection.
But you will ofcourse have atleast a degree of satisfaction, not any least psychologically.
After all, in the days when the SRS-techniques were still primitive comparing totodays techniques, many T-women were nonetheless fully happy with the result anyways, as it made them happy psychologically.
Anyway, you should try asking around SRS-surgeons about your inquiry and atleast discuss the possibility.
I do know that some of the renomed SRS-surgeons, such as Meltzer, have done experimental surgery before on the patients behalf, so perhaps you could start with him?
Marci Bowers and Mcquinn are two other good surgeons that should have understanding in these matters aswell, as they are both TS.
As for the surgery itself, the vaginal opening would be positioned right below and at the base of the penile shaft, but the opening will lack a clitoris, as the the glans on the penis in this scenario will be left intact.
You will however probably have the surrounding scrotal tissue reconstructed into labias, as the scrotal sack will otherwise be too much in the way for the entrance.
As for the vaginal canal itself, it will need to be made with a Sigmoid Colon-segment.
So again, technically speaking, it is fully possible. The "problem" is to find someone that wants to perform the surgery, and, how functional the vagina will be during erection without getting fully blocked.
But as I said, ask around and don't give up on your dream!
Thank you. According to what you say, if my penis completely relaxes and no longer erect, will it still block the vaginal opening?
Quote from: Padma on November 21, 2011, 05:48:41 AM
There's no reason to assume this isn't a serious question for some people - it's certainly not the first time it's been asked here. People want different things, and it's perfectly valid to find out what's possible.
There is a reason to assume, I was wondering what the use of a penis is when the scrotum has to be removed for making the vagina, I mean it has no function except to pee, it's just hanging there.
Sure, people want different things but is it realistic?
So realistically, we can assume that it's possible to put a penis or vagina just about anywhere you would want to.
This takes nose rings up a notch, I think.
Also considering the number of guys that insist on being the biggest dick head out there, there's a whole nother side of NFL for them to spend their money on. Done right, I'm sure there are doctors that will equipt you with what you need to squirt 12oz of Budweiser out of the top of your head.
Quote from: annette on November 21, 2011, 06:45:25 PM
There is a reason to assume, I was wondering what the use of a penis is when the scrotum has to be removed for making the vagina, I mean it has no function except to pee, it's just hanging there.
Sure, people want different things but is it realistic?
To be honest, you are not wrong. I do want my penis for the purpose of urination. Of course that isn't the only reason. However, if it has to be all or nothing, I'm willing to lose my penis.
Quote from: mynhii on November 21, 2011, 06:44:27 PM
Thank you. According to what you say, if my penis completely relaxes and no longer erect, will it still block the vaginal opening?
You are welcome. :)
No. If the penis would manage to be non-erect, then the vaginal opening would be fully "open" and penetrable.
It is when the erectile tissues in that area is filled up with blood that they swell to such a degree that they would be blocking the entry.
Peerhaps it would be possible in some fashion to go around that issue somehow, however, but that is something you will have to discuss with the pressumed surgeon, if/when it comes to that.
Ask every SRS-surgeon you can find about your wish; eventually you will sooner or later find someone that will probaaly agree to do it, BUT be sure to then check up the reputation of that surgeon, personal accounts, results, experiance and such, so that you know that you are under skilled and professional hands.
There are also renomed Thai-surgeons that have performed SRS upon several patients that have not been "diagnosed transsexuals", so to speak, so you could always try around there aswell.
Quote from: annette on November 21, 2011, 06:45:25 PM
There is a reason to assume, I was wondering what the use of a penis is when the scrotum has to be removed for making the vagina, I mean it has no function except to pee, it's just hanging there.
Sure, people want different things but is it realistic?
Alot of people that have had Orchidectomies would strongly disagree with you, as a removal of the testicles doesn't affect the sensation of the penis, nor removes the erectile abilities. The erectile abilities only decreases ,but doesn't go away totally.
There are many castrated T-persons that are capable of performing penetrable intercourse including orgasm.
In other words, no need at all to remove the penis aswell just because the testicles are gone.
By the way, "functional Eunuchs" in ancient times was favored by many females as they could perform long intercourses without pre-climaxing, and, ofcourse, without any risk of impregnating the female.
Quote from: Bishounen on November 22, 2011, 11:04:01 AM
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By the way, "functional Eunuchs" in ancient times was favored by many females as they could perform long intercourses without pre-climaxing, and, ofcourse, without any risk of impregnating the female.
They sure would NOT have been the ones that worked at the Chinese Emperors Court... and there where MANY.
Not a single male was allowed in the forbidden city without being castrated (only the emperor) – those eunuchs' penis WAS removed to prevent intercourse (with the empires...).
Axelle
I am castrated and I still get strong enough erections that I could use it for penetration if I wanted to.
Quote from: Bishounen on November 22, 2011, 10:55:18 AM
Ask every SRS-surgeon you can find about your wish; eventually you will sooner or later find someone that will probaaly agree to do it, BUT be sure to then check up the reputation of that surgeon, personal accounts, results, experiance and such, so that you know that you are under skilled and professional hands.
There are also renomed Thai-surgeons that have performed SRS upon several patients that have not been "diagnosed transsexuals", so to speak, so you could always try around there aswell.
Good luck with that. No reputable SRS surgeon will even think about placing a penis, a vagina and a rectum all within five inches of each other. No one.
Put me to the test and prove me wrong. Find a surgeon who is licensed (in any country) who will do it and I will admit I am wrong. Getting a response from a doctor who will pay to put a human ear on a cat doesn't count. The doctor has to be licensed in her or his country and under a somewhat good reputation (i.e, a back alley "Doctor" doesn't count).
So prove me wrong and find a doctor who will do this; because as it stands, I am under the firm belief that no sane doctor would even entertain the idea. Not because of having both a penis and a vagina...but because it is not physiologically viable.
So prove me wrong. Not from your words but from a doctor's.
Wow this is interesting.
Quote from: Axélle on November 22, 2011, 12:34:51 PM
They sure would NOT have been the ones that worked at the Chinese Emperors Court... and there where MANY.
Not a single male was allowed in the forbidden city without being castrated (only the emperor) – those eunuchs' penis WAS removed to prevent intercourse (with the empires...).
Axelle
Correct, as the ancient Chinese removed the whole package including penis-shaft aswell and not only the testicles. Basically the Chinese did a full Penectomy in Hijra-style, so for very logical reasons, they would not have been very suitable for intercourse, no.
However, Eunuchs in ancient Greece and specifically, The Roman Empire, were castrated by only removing the testes, and hence very favored by females, as the penis itself usually remained fully functional, which allowed them to have full intercourse but without risk of impregnate the female.
Or, as the one duscussion from those times goes about a female engaging in those activities; "Do you ask, Panychus, why your Caelia only consorts with eunuchs? Caelia wants the flowers of marriage – not the fruit."
;D
Annah: QuoteGood luck with that. No reputable SRS surgeon will even think about placing a penis, a vagina and a rectum all within five inches of each other. No one.
Put me to the test and prove me wrong. Find a surgeon who is licensed (in any country) who will do it and I will admit I am wrong. Getting a response from a doctor who will pay to put a human ear on a cat doesn't count. The doctor has to be licensed in her or his country and under a somewhat good reputation (i.e, a back alley "Doctor" doesn't count).
So prove me wrong and find a doctor who will do this; because as it stands, I am under the firm belief that no sane doctor would even entertain the idea. Not because of having both a penis and a vagina...but because it is not physiologically viable.
So prove me wrong. Not from your words but from a doctor's.
Thanks for the luckwishes. :) However I am not the one to have this surgery, but, thank you anyways for wishing me the best. :)
However unfortunately, your further text in your post contains a selfcontradiction; Firstly, you state with a matteroffact-tone that no reputable doctor will perform the surgery- then you end the post by saying that you hold the firm
belief that no-one will- Hence revealing that you basically don't know at all but only states you personal opinion that no-one would do it and that the surgery is "impossible", as that is what you want to think.
In short, you are holding on to the the firm belief that no one would do it, therefore you have already made you standpointout of opinions.
Not to be rude, but, that being said, I have no interest nor obligations in providing proof, as the naysayers are not the persons that this procedure concerns, but, the creator of this thread.
Hence, I have basically only obligations to him, not to people that wants to argue about the topic because it upsets their values too much.
And advicing him to ask as many surgeons Worldwide as he can, will not do any harm whatsoever, even if it would result in him getting the cold hand by each and everyone of them.
well, as I stated, I will believe it when I see a Doctor who say they will do it. Other than that, the point is mute.
(moot)
As for the issue itself, I can't imagine you could convince the kind of doctor you'd want to do the job, to do it.
Personally, I'd prefer less crowded trouser then more, but hey.
Quote from: Pica Pica on November 23, 2011, 11:52:54 AM
(moot)
As for the issue itself, I can't imagine you could convince the kind of doctor you'd want to do the job, to do it.
Personally, I'd prefer less crowded trouser then more, but hey.
Thank you for the warning. I know that if I'm not a true transsexual, it'll be extremely difficult to get my desire done. However, that is the future issue. Now I only want to know if what I want is anatomically possible. From all the answers here, I think I know what can be done, so I can meditate my next steps.
I really appreciate all opinions and honesty. Thank you, everyone.
Quote from: Pica Pica on November 23, 2011, 11:52:54 AM
As for the issue itself, I can't imagine you could convince the kind of doctor you'd want to do the job, to do it.
Best answer yet.
If you're not bothered about depth, specifically any depth at all then I'm pretty sure you could get it done. Once your testicles are gone (make sure you're sure, super sure that this is what you want) your scrotal skin can be fashioned/surgically altered to make a very convincing vulva (vaginal opening) though obviously you wouldn't actually have one, a vagina that is. Nor would you have any semblance of a clitoris, certainly not something that would have any sensation because that would still be tied up in your still in place penis. I think I know where you are coming from and I don't doubt you've been turning this whole idea over and over in your head for some time. There's a thousand reasons why... or a few at least :) I don't know your situation, your age or anything else about you but I have a suggestion that might give you some clarity of thought regarding your desire. This is a little "out there!" and there are those who will say it's BS or just plain stupid but my opinion is that it might help when judged against what you are considering, I'm assuming that's why you're asking?
Taking cross sex hormones, that is hormones that are the opposite off the physical sex that you were born, might well help you to make up your mind about wether making this very no way back change is a good idea or not. Once you have made this decision about wether or not this is right for you or not you might be able to drop the idea and move on with life, or not as the case may be. It could be that if you don't come to a decision about it, it could well take up a lot of your time thinking about and considering it as an option. it could prove to be quite a distraction in life as gender issues tend to be, now there's an understatment for you ::)
I'm not saying it is but you might well find your desire for this modification is driven in part by your testosterone and your sex drive. The two things are linked inextricably. bringing your T under control should give you some clarity of thought in this area.
Some things to consider and this isn't hear say or rumour. I personally know it to be true.
Removing your testicles will probably leave you impotent. It won't stop you fancying whoever you fancy but it will remove your desire to have sex with them and to a point your ability as well. You might well be able to muster a degree of erection but it wont be as big and it won't be as hard or useable. Viagra may help with this but after a period of time and with no involuntary erections through the day or night if you do use viagra any supplemented erection that you may get might be either uncomfortable or even painful. You will probably retain your ability to orgasm but this won't be the same either. This won't actually bother you too much because after a period of time has passed you probably won't be interested in sex anyway, even on your own. I have no doubt that there will be people who stand up and say it's not like that and in some cases maybe it isn't but you should certainly consider what I have said because if you can step outside of your desire or possibly your fantasy for a while you might see it as possibly a mistake. You could always take a Testosterone supplement to maintain your level and maintain your sex drive and ability but this would be for the rest of your life and if you're planning any kind of androgony or gender change then testosterone is the last thing you'll want in your blood stream unless of course you were born physically female. Oh what a tangled web we weave ;)
Whatever you decide to do best of luck and I hope ie makes you happy, we all deserve a little happiness eh ;D
Impotence after orchi is purely a phsychological issue.
Been castrated for awhile now and I still get strong erections when I am excited.
Smooth: Good point on the sexdrive-thing and the Testosterone. I had an afterthought that I should have mentioned this aswell previously in the thread, but didn't bother with it.
Still, he could do as so called "Mangina-males" do and take Testosterone-replacement; Mangina-males are bio-males that wants to have SRS/Sexchange-surgery, but yet do not have any desire to actually live as a female apart from the SRS.
Those guys generally have SRS because they are gay males that are 100% bottoms and sexually are recievers only and do not want to use their penis in any way, but do want a vagina for sexual reasons.
Many of these guys- after they had their surgery- takes testosterone replacement to keep their male sexdrive intact, which seems to work fine for them.
One such example is Josef Kirchner; He was originally a Male to Female, but detransitioned as he throughout the years realized that being a woman was actually not what he truly wanted, and eventually just felt trapped in the female body all over again, which he eventually, after much soulsearching, decided to solve by detransition into a guy but kept his vagina, which he realized was really the only thing he actually wanted from the beginning- Not to actually be a woman.
There is a board started by him for others like him, which I will link here aswell, in case it would be of interest for the Thread starter; http://www.themanginaman.com/forum/index.php (http://www.themanginaman.com/forum/index.php)
Quote from: cynthialee on November 28, 2011, 08:32:13 AM
Impotence after orchi is purely a phsychological issue.
Been castrated for awhile now and I still get strong erections when I am excited.
Good point, that is indeed very true aswell.
Someone that have had the testicles removed will never ever loose the sexdrive to 100%, it will only get "milder", but the actual sexdrive will still be there in some fashion.
cynthialee```
`````Impotence after orchi is purely a phsychological issue.
Been castrated for awhile now and I still get strong erections when I am excited.
It's all very well making a statement like that and I'm happy for you but I don't think it's fair saying that because it won't be the case for everyone and someone might go get the surgery thinking everything is gonna be peachy when the reality could be different....
I am not the only person to get an orchi and still have the damn thing react to arousal.
Quote from: smooth on November 28, 2011, 02:36:03 PM
cynthialee```
`````Impotence after orchi is purely a phsychological issue.
Been castrated for awhile now and I still get strong erections when I am excited.
It's all very well making a statement like that and I'm happy for you but I don't think it's fair saying that because it won't be the case for everyone and someone might go get the surgery thinking everything is gonna be peachy when the reality could be different....
I happen to think you are ignoring the bodies largest sex organ, the one that actually controls arousal - the brain..
Quote from: smooth on November 28, 2011, 08:05:15 AM
If you're not bothered about depth, specifically any depth at all then I'm pretty sure you could get it done. Once your testicles are gone (make sure you're sure, super sure that this is what you want) your scrotal skin can be fashioned/surgically altered to make a very convincing vulva (vaginal opening) though obviously you wouldn't actually have one, a vagina that is. Nor would you have any semblance of a clitoris, certainly not something that would have any sensation because that would still be tied up in your still in place penis. I think I know where you are coming from and I don't doubt you've been turning this whole idea over and over in your head for some time. There's a thousand reasons why... or a few at least :) I don't know your situation, your age or anything else about you but I have a suggestion that might give you some clarity of thought regarding your desire. This is a little "out there!" and there are those who will say it's BS or just plain stupid but my opinion is that it might help when judged against what you are considering, I'm assuming that's why you're asking?
Taking cross sex hormones, that is hormones that are the opposite off the physical sex that you were born, might well help you to make up your mind about wether making this very no way back change is a good idea or not. Once you have made this decision about wether or not this is right for you or not you might be able to drop the idea and move on with life, or not as the case may be. It could be that if you don't come to a decision about it, it could well take up a lot of your time thinking about and considering it as an option. it could prove to be quite a distraction in life as gender issues tend to be, now there's an understatment for you ::)
I'm not saying it is but you might well find your desire for this modification is driven in part by your testosterone and your sex drive. The two things are linked inextricably. bringing your T under control should give you some clarity of thought in this area.
Some things to consider and this isn't hear say or rumour. I personally know it to be true.
Removing your testicles will probably leave you impotent. It won't stop you fancying whoever you fancy but it will remove your desire to have sex with them and to a point your ability as well. You might well be able to muster a degree of erection but it wont be as big and it won't be as hard or useable. Viagra may help with this but after a period of time and with no involuntary erections through the day or night if you do use viagra any supplemented erection that you may get might be either uncomfortable or even painful. You will probably retain your ability to orgasm but this won't be the same either. This won't actually bother you too much because after a period of time has passed you probably won't be interested in sex anyway, even on your own. I have no doubt that there will be people who stand up and say it's not like that and in some cases maybe it isn't but you should certainly consider what I have said because if you can step outside of your desire or possibly your fantasy for a while you might see it as possibly a mistake. You could always take a Testosterone supplement to maintain your level and maintain your sex drive and ability but this would be for the rest of your life and if you're planning any kind of androgony or gender change then testosterone is the last thing you'll want in your blood stream unless of course you were born physically female. Oh what a tangled web we weave ;)
Whatever you decide to do best of luck and I hope ie makes you happy, we all deserve a little happiness eh ;D
Thank you so much for your kind words.
I find it very interesting with your comment about my sex drive driving me to make that decision. I think that I'm fine being a male without feeling proud of my penis or testicles. I never care about them. Unlike other men regardless of their sexual orientation, I simply don't think my testicles or penis matter much to me as being a man. It's perhaps because I'm quite feminine (not effeminate though) in certain aspects of my life.
Quote from: kelly_aus on November 28, 2011, 07:48:41 PM
I happen to think you are ignoring the bodies largest sex organ, the one that actually controls arousal - the brain..
actually I think that was a spellcheck issue :P
;D I've had one as well and as you say 'The damn thing still reacts to arousal" But! where once upon a time I could have you used it to break in doors these days..... well, these days I most certainly couldn't. I'm not calling you a liar but I would be surprised if everything was functioning exactly as it once was. Google "link between testosterone and erection" Testosterone plays a part. Of course your brain is important as well, as are other factors but having an orchi is probably gonna make a difference, typically a degree of atrophy. There's no doubt other factors to consider as well none of which we've taken into account so who can really say. All I'm trying to get across :) is I don't think it's fair to give the impression that nothing changes. over to you ;D
Quote from: smooth on November 29, 2011, 10:32:11 AM
;D I've had one as well and as you say 'The damn thing still reacts to arousal" But! where once upon a time I could have you used it to break in doors these days..... well, these days I most certainly couldn't. I'm not calling you a liar but I would be surprised if everything was functioning exactly as it once was. Google "link between testosterone and erection" Testosterone plays a part. Of course your brain is important as well, as are other factors but having an orchi is probably gonna make a difference, typically a degree of atrophy. There's no doubt other factors to consider as well none of which we've taken into account so who can really say. All I'm trying to get across :) is I don't think it's fair to give the impression that nothing changes. over to you ;D
Cynthialee never said that it hadn't changed- she said that she was still capable of having erections
strong enough for intercourse, and that it still functioned.
Two different things.
So yes you are correct, she is not lying. ::)
actually....
I have been getting stronger erections since my orchi. Before the orchi it would get partialy erect. Now, it is reacting almost as strong as it did when I was in my teens.
Pre orchi all I could focus on was the fact that I had these gross testicles hanging off my body every time I would attempt sex.
Now I dont have them, I no longer have that distress, so I am able to focus on the sex more easily than the fact that my body is wrong.
ymmv
Quote from: cynthialee on November 29, 2011, 11:09:58 AM
actually....
I have been getting stronger erections since my orchi. Before the orchi it would get partialy erect. Now, it is reacting almost as strong as it did when I was in my teens.
Pre orchi all I could focus on was the fact that I had these gross testicles hanging off my body every time I would attempt sex.
Now I dont have them, I no longer have that distress, so I am able to focus on the sex more easily than the fact that my body is wrong.
ymmv
Not very odd at all, really. It is wellknown that many people during transition will find themselves being more and more in tune with their sexuality the more their bodies gets in tune with their Gender-identity.
And while a castration for a Cis-male for the same psychological reasons may drastically lower his drive, the very same procedure may at the same time turn a gender-varianted person into a sex-maniac.
If thats the case I can't imagine how I am going to be when/if I am lucky enough to get my surgery!
>:-)
It turns out the that I have been far too short sited in thinking that my own experiences and those of a few other I've read about aren't necessarily typical. I try to learn something new every day so it would seem I owe a few of you a thank you :) I have been educated ;D
cynthialee best of luck with achieving the potential to become a sex maniac ;)
Quotecynthialee best of luck with achieving the potential to become a sex maniac
lmao!! As her spouse...and a T fueled person...I second that!! *falls down laughing*
Back in April or May.
My T levels have been lower than normal my entire life.
Even before my orchi my T levels been T<10-24 ng/dl for over 2 years.
So I don't know that it is T reliant.
im a girl and I and a penis added and keep my vagina any help pls
wow a bump of epic proportions :)
Quote from: Bishounen on November 21, 2011, 11:10:25 AM
The article is unfortunately no longer avaible, but, the patient went by the name Tess Cowell and the article was titled "Meet Tess: A New Dance of Scalpel and Soul."
I saw that article several years back and saw her photograph as well, I think she was an MD herself as I recall, and I remember the howl and objections that went up from the MtF community over it.
ok now I have to ask is it possible to keep my vagina but have a Penis surgically added? i really want one and want one BAD... I dont care if I have to use a pump...
I know the feeling. However, no...I don't believe there is a way currently. (if there is, I know of no doctor who will do it...)
Instead, there is being on testosterone, which will enlarge your clit (and many other things...so look into that fully before jumping)
There's also "clit pumps" that do work to increase your size if used frequently and consistently. (many would say it doesn't work but I've seen evidence that shows it does) and then from there you could look at medioplasty to create a small penis out of your clit.
I think these are our best options as it stands now. Not sure what country you live in, but in the US it takes at least a year of therapy to be approved for a letter saying you can pursue that surgery. So that's likely your best place to start.