Firstly, apologies if this issue has been raised before. If not, please read on ...
I've noticed more posts on social media coming from Paedophile groups/supporters who are trying to add the letter 'P' on to the end of LGBT or LGBTQ or whatever form you prefer.
In my opinion, they are trying to hi-jack an easy ride into 'acceptance' by going down this road and the posts are highly questionable on the "Scientific evidence" they present about paedophilia being a normal/natural urge.
Even if that were true, it takes two in a relationship to give equal consent and a minor cannot give equal consent with an adult. So their idea of future acceptance is based on one-way consent to have "loving relationships" which will undoubtedly lead to sex with underage children and the rest of society is to go along with that, as "Hey, they're part of the LGBT community now" - but only in their own twisted minds.
Some of their sick memes include the comment "Because love knows no age barriers," with a picture of a grown adult male holding a small child up above in his arms. Now that would be 'normal' and 'acceptable' if you knew the adult in the pic was the child's father/ uncle/ older cousin etc.. i.e. a family relation, but it's obvious he/she isn't going by the source of the memes and the agenda they seek to pursue. To my mind, they're are trying to hoodwink the general public that their urge to have sex with kids is based on loving relationships, somewhat similar to those that family's have. Except the vast majority of adult family members do NOT groom their own children or younger relations in order to have sex with them. This is some sick sh*t that's going down and the tactics being employed are subtle, sophisticated and well planned out.
I certainly do not agree with this and will never go along with adding 'P' on to the end of LGBT.
As the 'T' is seen as the letter that's been the last to 'come through' gradually to the first awakenings of acceptance, our group is particularly in focus on this at the moment. I also read a brief comment that the Paedophile groups had targeted transgender women as their allies, but I don't know enough about that and haven't seen anymore info to back-up that claim. ( So that part could be wrong / exaggerated etc... )
I think it does the Transgender community and the wider LGBT community no good at all by staying silent on this issue. Already the wider public are asking questions as to why we're not condemning it?
There's truth to the idea that non-practicing pedophiles should be afforded more opportunities to gain professional help rather than being immediately shunned by society, but that's about as far as it goes.
Unless this has already gained more traction than I realize, I doubt it will get very far... there's a clear consent barrier here that simply doesn't exist in the other LGBTQA+whatever identities, and the act of pedophilia is universally reviled by practically everyone on every inch of the political spectrum. I don't think there's any danger of it becoming accepted anytime soon. There's a bigger danger of the conservative media finding a pro-pedophilia meme and taking advantage of it to damage us, but since no LGBT person is actually supporting it, it'll be pretty obvious how ridiclous that is. Besides, that's not really a new thing, either; the comparisons of homosexuality or transgenderism to pedophilia have already been continually happening for a very long time.
As you said, these are not 2 way consensual relationships (something pedophiles seem to casually forget...)- I believe this will be shut down by the wider community, I certainly would confront it if it was visible in NZ, fortunately it remains highly illegal and NZ does not have a free speech law that would allow pedophiles to rally any type of support like this.
Sonja.
I personally am repulsed by the idea and will never lend my support to such
There's a huge push by the anti-LGBT movement lately to discredit us. Groups like the Heritage Foundation have aligned with some TERFs. The idea is to alienate the T from the LGB. It's all part of a plan to weaken the LGBT movement by causing division.
I wouldn't put it past these people pretending to be pedophiles to discredit the LGBT community. Remember these are the same people that constantly accuse trans people of being pedophiles waiting to take advantage of young children in bathrooms.
Maybe I'm wrong, but this type of creepy spin seems right up their alley.
Paige :)
I think Paige hit the nail on the head?
The 2017 GLAAD Media Award winner for outstanding blog, Holy Bullies and headless Monsters, had a post about this on Sunday. If you want to get angry what the evangelical conservatives are up to and their political influence on our current administration (and can handle it), visit this site daily to see who the enemy really is and the tactics they use. Online attempts to connect LGBT equality with pedophilia are vicious hoaxes (http://holybulliesandheadlessmonsters.blogspot.com/2018/07/online-attempts-to-connect-lgbt.html)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vMf3xrpwZHM/W0vN9A-Zn6I/AAAAAAAANfU/3Er7foeTECIxCnmq_vsiQWM5NrHkOB0HgCLcBGAs/s320/lgbtp%2BLIE.jpg)
Not sure I'm allowed to post links so if the one above doesn't work, it's important enough to push the rules. Google holybulliesandheadlessmonsters. I have no affiliation with this site but think it is an important resource.
uhh beep NO
Absolutely no way..., They need a bullet not acceptance......we don't need them tarnishing us with their crap
Glad to see everyone is abhorred by this!
Those bible bashers mentioned in the link go by the theory "throw enough mud and some of it will stick!" It also can't be proven that they're all hoaxers, there's bound to be some real paedophile groups amongst them, even if it started as a hoax on 4chan.
With all that in mind, I've started a campaign with a simple, clear message that tells it like it is to everyone:
There's NO 'P' In LGBT!
#NoPinLGBT
I think the vast majority will know we're talking about Paedophile groups and not pangender groups/individuals. Please think about spreading the word on social media and using the hashtag.
Thanks!
Pedophilia is a crime. A despicable one at that. Being transgender is not. It's a human right. An American right. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Quote from: DawnOday on July 19, 2018, 12:38:19 PM
Pedophilia is a crime. A despicable one at that. Being transgender is not. It's a human right. An American right. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Accepting PedoSexuals would devastate the entire community and would, for some, give the need to make being non binary a criminal offense. This is very serious everyone!
Hey GF
I'm just jumping in here to show you support, it's the only thing I really can do because I really can't contribute to your thread but I'm looking forward to learning from reading your stuff. and I have read everything since day one and love your enthusiastic positive attitude.
though we're kind of on the same page musically, you're light years ahead of me with keeping up current trends and opinions that I was oblivious to
I'm really looking forward to learning more from you in this area. keep it coming GF as I'm sure you will. love Tatiana
I would hope the average person is intelligent enough to know that pedophilia is sick, twisted, and has nothing to do with the LGBT communtity. Unfortunately, there are those that think we are sick and twisted. It looks like a possible attempt by certain groups to illegalize being LGBT.
Quote from: Tatiana 79 on July 19, 2018, 03:31:45 PM
Hey GF ... though we're kind of on the same page musically, you're light years ahead of me with keeping up current trends and opinions that I was oblivious to
I'm really looking forward to learning more from you in this area. keep it coming GF as I'm sure you will. love Tatiana
Thanks Tatiana - I will. I'm not really 'light years' ahead of anyone, just perhaps more aware/awakened. Even when the YES vote for Scottish Independence lost the 2014 referendum, we ordinary mortals learned a lot about how politics & propaganda go hand-in-hand. 5 million people were woken up politically overnight and Scottish taxi drivers can now tell you how a 'lender of the last resort' & a Central Bank works. (lol)
So, we were in a way, blessed, if even on the losing team. [The result was 45% YES / 55% NO]
That's why I'm awake on this issue, as the pro-paedophile agenda is trying to slip in un-noticed through the back door via LGBT membership.
I've tried to post a meme I designed with the hashtag #NoPinLGBT, but don't know how to do it on this thread. I click on 'add image' and html script comes up. Tried copy-paste, nothing. Maybe I haven't got enough brownie points (posts) to allow me?
Thanks for EVERYONE'S CONTRIBUTION btw, it all helps.
not only are you awake Gyrl, you're on fire with passion.
I'm sorry to hear about the results in Scotland. but use it girl to your advantage As You Are to raise others awareness to finally win that vote.
your fires definitely lit GF Kindle it with care.
all the very best love Tatiana
Quote from: Johnni Gyrl on July 19, 2018, 11:49:13 AM
Glad to see everyone is abhorred by this!
Those bible bashers mentioned in the link go by the theory "throw enough mud and some of it will stick!" It also can't be proven that they're all hoaxers, there's bound to be some real paedophile groups amongst them, even if it started as a hoax on 4chan.
With all that in mind, I've started a campaign with a simple, clear message that tells it like it is to everyone:
There's NO 'P' In LGBT!
#NoPinLGBT
I think the vast majority will know we're talking about Paedophile groups and not pangender groups/individuals. Please think about spreading the word on social media and using the hashtag.
Thanks!
Hi Johnni Gyrl,
If I was a PR spinner I think I would love someone in the LGBT community to start protesting this. I can see them pointing at this as an example of this really being a true story. They would say "Look it must be true, some people in the LGBT community are trying to stop it. But we all know that's the minority."
I would suspect true pedophiles are afraid to come out from under the rock they hide. They wouldn't be active like this.
I think it would be better to go after the smear campaign instead.
Anyway, just my two cents.
Paige :)
"I would suspect true pedophiles are afraid to come out from under the rock they hide. They wouldn't be active like this."
Thank you Paige for your comments. The thing is, they are showing there faces now & coming out from under their rocks, emboldened now, whether the original campaign was a hoax or not. There's quite a few memes I could post to support that as evidence, though tech issues are preventing me for now.
The point is, the general public read all they see, whether has has a dubious source or not. While a few might see through it, many are not and taking it a gospel because "they read it on the internet!"
The smart thing to do would be to dispel every rumour, myth and outright lie at every opportunity, until it is busted.
To continually say nothing or very little in reply leaves LGBT wide open to suspicion, rumour, gossip, heresay and this paedophile bandwagon jumping gives the haters the perfect excuse to keep hating with even more anger & vengeance.
Saying *something* would be better than saying nothing.
The truth of the matter.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lgbtp-adding-letter/
The spy who came in from the cold in the War Between the Sexes.
Mmmm, just as suspected - A phony smear tactic poised by fanatical bigots
Aaargh >:( some people never change. A big chunk of society already thinks we're just a bunch of perverts and freaks. All we need now is for some right-wing dingbats to slap yet another derogatory label on our community.
Really, people should make up their minds and stick to one offensive stereotype. Right now, society seems to simultaneously believe that trans women:
1. Are really gay men trying to "trick" straight men into sleeping with them
2. Are trying to sneak into women's bathrooms to peek at cis women
3. Are all pedophiles
How are we supposed to deal with all this at once? We lack support from both sides of the political aisle (though liberals tend to tolerate us more often than not); how should we approach such discrimination? I'm not out publicly yet, so when I do go full-time (probably without managing to pass), what should I expect from the people I work with and people out on the street? How should I respond to hostility? I have no idea what to expect, or how to handle it, and it scares me.
So, I guess their tactics are working. I'm officially scared.
Quote from: DustKitten on July 21, 2018, 08:43:17 PM
How are we supposed to deal with all this at once? We lack support from both sides of the political aisle (though liberals tend to tolerate us more often than not); how should we approach such discrimination? I'm not out publicly yet, so when I do go full-time (probably without managing to pass), what should I expect from the people I work with and people out on the street? How should I respond to hostility? I have no idea what to expect, or how to handle it, and it scares me.
If you ended up coming out to your friends and co-workers, you might lose some. Everyone takes that risk, but I always say they weren't good friends then if that is the case. But you could also end up making a good impression on them. You might end up changing people's views on the community. You can be an example that shows, no we aren't like that. Because maybe people know you as a really great person and then finding out you're trans they might be like...I always thought trans people were bad people but my friend is trans and a wonderful person. Might end up putting a good name on yourself and the community to complete strangers too that you may never even know you impacted them.
I personally just think humans are afraid of what they do not understand and try to get rid of it naturally. So in my personal belief, if you want to fix it, you make a good example and you make people more familiar with the true nature of who you are.
(note: this is not to say you should come out right now if you believe you are in danger of doing so)
Hey, Evienne :) good to see you, and thanks for the encouragement. I'm already out to everyone I consider a friend (which isn't that many people tbh) but I am trying to put off coming out at work as long as I can.
Thanks for everyone's input on this, it's gladdened my heart to know we all feel strongly about it. I'll still be continuing my campaign to dispel this monstrous myth and adding both links provided on this thread about the hoax origins. [And a big thanks to the two contributors who provided them!]
Here they are again, in case anyone missed them:
http://holybulliesandheadlessmonsters.blogspot.com/2018/07/online-attempts-to-connect-lgbt.html#.W1zvZzm2y1s
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lgbtp-adding-letter/
As stated earlier, the general public don't realize this was/is a smear campaign and the questions are still being asked as to why we're not condemning it LOUDLY. [or much more loudly]
So, I'll be using the hashtag #NoPinLGBT - along with my meme [same as the hashtag with LGBT in rainbow colours] & the 2 links above to keep bursting this extremely nasty bubble. I hope some of you who can will follow suit.
Thankyou.
Not trying to incite violence but pedos rank with the worst of criminals and deserve the same treatment.
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Sickening. And they call us mentally ill...whoever started this hoax should rot in a nuthouse somewhere.
The LGBT community needs positive press and there is no way to get positive press by adding P to the acronym. Pedophiles on the other hand need professional help! I have no sympathy for anyone who would inappropriately touch a child, or inappropriately touch anyone else for that matter!!!
Just my two cents.
Pedosexuals commit a crime, at least in the US, I can't say that it is illegal in every country, because I do not know. The concept of adding Pedosexuals to LGBTQ would in this case be the same as adding rapists to the list. Using the underlying fact that both include non-consensual sex. Having sex with someone who is underage is still considered rape, even if a minor gives consent. The idea is that the minor is not able to give consent.
Even if society changes its morals to allow for Pedosexuals. Legally speaking, I cannot foresee it even being a possibility. I can only imagine the US government's disdain against pedophiles considering the active hatred against individuals who are transgender.
What really bothers me is the fact that being transgendered seems to be considered criminal. Transgendered individuals can be cured from a medical perspective. Transitioning is the cure. However, are Pedosexuals curable? This is debatable and I've heard various arguments. The argument that I find intriguing is that of homosexual to non-homosexual "conversion therapy." Conclusively it is said that it does not work, so accepting this as a truth, can a Pedosexual be cured?
It's a mental disorder, it's probably not curable--I don't think being a pedophile automatically makes someone a criminal, and I know they can't help it and there are many who never do anything wrong at all. That said, I do not think we should recognize the disorder as a valid sexual orientation. Those people may need help, but as people whose attractions could easily lead to deplorable criminal behavior, I don't think we should embrace them as part of the community. Kinks don't get letters, and that goes double for the ones who have to suppress their desires to avoid harming and ruining someone else's life.
Right, there should be ways for pedophiles who haven't, uh... done anything to get help, because it's probably not something you can prevent, or stop feeling. (And since the only pedophiles who get outed are the ones who act on their impulses, this skews our perception of how often pedophiles are actually "active"; we have no idea how many "non-practicing" pedophiles there are who will never hurt anyone, but are suffering because they can't get help.) I don't think someone should be immediately put in jail just because they're attracted to children; however, it's definitely not something to celebrate or validate as part of the LGBT "alphabet," any more than we should start accepting pro-anorexia groups as a valid lifestyle choice.
I haven't been on here to read all of the responses so if this is a duplicate I'm sorry.
Haven't we been through enough stereotypes and such without this being added?
I knew a young man in times past who killed himself because of a pedophile.
He couldn't handle what happened to him and ended up taking his life.
The pedophile didn't care, wasn't convicted and went happily on his way.
Some may disagree but I feel pedophiles need to stay out of the GLBT and even society until they can get help.
Not all parents may take it as nicely or trust the system like the boy's parents whom I knew.
I was rescued from a pedophile less than a block away from home when I was kid, He would follow me around in his car when I would be on my paper route
He would ask me questions like if I could help him find his cat or his dog etc... One day I got frustrated with him bothering me and told him I didn't where his (Bad Words) dog or cat or anything else was and I was going to tell my mom about him
That's the day he tried to grab me and drag me into his car - The only person who responded to my cries and screams was a biker dude who proceeded to adjust the pedo's attitude until he somehow managed to escape in his car
About a week later the pedo's picture was on the front page of the paper I delivered with an article about how the bodies of several children around my age group were found buried in his back yard
Ask me again how I feel about pedophiles?
Quote from: Lucca on August 03, 2018, 10:24:59 PM
Right, there should be ways for pedophiles who haven't, uh... done anything to get help, because it's probably not something you can prevent, or stop feeling. (And since the only pedophiles who get outed are the ones who act on their impulses, this skews our perception of how often pedophiles are actually "active"; we have no idea how many "non-practicing" pedophiles there are who will never hurt anyone, but are suffering because they can't get help.) I don't think someone should be immediately put in jail just because they're attracted to children; however, it's definitely not something to celebrate or validate as part of the LGBT "alphabet," any more than we should start accepting pro-anorexia groups as a valid lifestyle choice.
I completely agree that pedophiles who are not "active" need help but not jail. The ones that have attacked or preyed on others need help too but also need to be confined. Neither case should be part of the LGBT community however.
Pedophilia is not a gender identity or orientation . It is a behavior in which a person seeks to dominate and control another, typically smaller and weaker person without that persons informed consent (which a child cannot give).
A group of well known troublemakers are behind this idea. It's sole purpose is to put the LGBTQ community in a very bad light by associating them with pedophiles in the general public's mind.
There is no real LGBTQ support for this.
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I can't see any reason to continue with this thread.
Paedophilia is a disgusting crime and is not in anyway or means a part of, associated with, or anything to do with LGBTIQA. Anyone who suggests that it is or anyone who tries to link paedophilia with transgender people is not welcome on this Site.
The discussion has run its course and is now locked.