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Title: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: itsApril on May 17, 2018, 08:42:23 pm
GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom

BY JACQUELINE THOMSEN
05/17/18 07:48 PM EDT
TheHill.com

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/388251-gop-candidate-films-confronts-transgender-woman-using-womens-bathroom

A Republican candidate for Congress in California filmed herself confronting a transgender woman using the women’s bathroom at a Denny’s in Los Angeles.

Jazmina Saavedra, who is campaigning for a seat in California’s 44th District, streamed the incident on Facebook Live on Tuesday.

“I’m trying to use the ladies’ room and there is a man here claiming that he is a lady,” Saavedra said, entering the bathroom and filming outside the stall.

“You’re invading my privacy,” the transgender woman inside the stall said.


"You’re invading my privacy because I’m a woman and I deserve to use the woman, the ladies’ room,” Saavedra responded.

She then left the restroom and waited outside for the individual to exit. . . .
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: Doreen on May 17, 2018, 08:44:37 pm
I saw that.. talk about actively trying to destroy another person.  Evil evil evil.  Just to make a political point you try to shame, embarrass, and out this girl?  I hope to hell it really does go viral and she gets sued for defamation, libel, slander.
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: Roll on May 17, 2018, 10:39:33 pm
You know. I acknowledge that people have the right to their opinions about us. I may not like those opinions, but at the same time... So be it, not everyone is going to approve of everyone else no matter who they are, and I accept that.

But this... this insanity is wrong, and goes far past any private opinion. Above all else is the idea that she was in danger, that she repeats several time. Where does this idea even come from?! What danger? Did she really think that the trans woman in the bathroom would suddenly burst out and attack her? If she said it made her feel uncomfortable... so be that as well. But this whole unfounded idea of violence which is entirely counter indicated by all scientific evidence...  and then the harassment! I hope the trans woman sues the hell out of Denny's for escorting her out like that.
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: AnneK on May 18, 2018, 10:18:00 am
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What danger? Did she really think that the trans woman in the bathroom would suddenly burst out and attack her?

On top of that, she was the one with the pepper spray and stun gun.  I wouldn't feel safe around her.
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: sarah1972 on May 18, 2018, 10:26:43 am
It is disgusting. I decided to report this video as harassment. California is pretty good in Transgender protection, so I hope the ACLU or another organization does something here.

Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: Devlyn on May 18, 2018, 11:27:01 am
Seems fake and staged.
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: AnneK on May 18, 2018, 01:37:45 pm
Seems fake and staged.

Why do you say that?  You think she did it to perhaps improve her standing with voters?  There are some who do this sort of thing, even though they're not running for office.  There was one, a while ago, when a CIS woman was harassed and accused of being a man in a women's washroom.
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: Deborah on May 18, 2018, 02:10:45 pm
If it is fake then somebody has gone to extremes to make it look legitimate.  The woman in question has both a Facebook page and another website http://www.voteforjaz.com pertaining to her campaign as a Republican running for Congress.

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Jazmina has decided to run for this 2018 election as a candidate for the United States Congress, California 44th District to fight for and truly represent all Californians with their needs and rights. She supports President Trump’s agenda for the benefit of making both, a Greater America and Safer America. . . .

Jazmina is Pro-life and supports our Second Amendment. California passed laws against our morals and faith as conservative families. . . .

Jazmina will work to eliminate laws that affect our decent and hardworking citizens, as well as to prevent our children from being indoctrinated in schools with ideologies that corrupt and destroy our moral values.


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Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: Devlyn on May 18, 2018, 02:16:51 pm
I meant that the video looked set up, not that she isn't running for office. She ran for another California office earlier this year and didn't make the list of qualified candidates. I  think her antics make her unelectable, but that's opinion.
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: itsApril on May 18, 2018, 02:58:33 pm
A little more about Saavedra:

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Challenger Saavedra, a Bell Gardens resident, is a founding member of the Latinos for Trump political group. She is also the Spanish-speaking spokeswoman for the Christian Coalition and Make America Great Again Inc. “The good people in the 44th District of California deserve to have a candidate who will reach out directly to them and focus on the issues of employment, reducing crime, empowering the families and providing our veterans with the respect they deserve, among other things," she said.

Saavedra doesn't see any problems with being a Trump supporter in the race for a largely Democratic district. "I'm not a politician, I'm a citizen," she said. "It's not about Democrats; it's not about Republicans. It's about God."

Source: "Three Women of Color — 2 Democrats, 1 Republican — Are Fighting for 44th Congressional District Seat"

DARRALYNN HUTSON
APRIL 5, 2018
LAWeekly.com

http://www.laweekly.com/news/three-women-of-color-2-democrats-1-republican-are-fighting-for-44th-congressional-district-seat-9298046


Saavedra ISN"T going to win.  California 44th is a VERY atypical Congressional district.  The population is approximately 70% Hispanic, and Democrats hold a 6-to-1 registration advantage over Republicans there, according to the Elections Division at the CA Secretary of State's website.  In effect, Saavedra is a fringe candidate in the the 44th.

Nevertheless, she is quite representative of the tendency among backwards candidates to look for  opportunities to leverage bigotry and fear of trans folks for political advantage.  Why?  As she says: "It's about God."
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: AnneK on May 18, 2018, 03:25:54 pm
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"It's not about Democrats; it's not about Republicans. It's about God."

Curious how so many use religion to justify bigotry and hatred.
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: Devlyn on May 18, 2018, 03:38:02 pm
Curious how so many use religion to justify bigotry and hatred.

And to paraphrase Archie Bunker:

"Would it make you feel any better if they used French toast to jusify bigotry and hatred?"  :laugh: ;D
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: Deborah on May 18, 2018, 03:40:39 pm
Curious how so many use religion to justify bigotry and hatred.
Speaking from my own experience as a former “hard core” believer, if you really believe that there is an invisible God who will punish people and even countries because of rules written throughout the Bible then it becomes a supreme matter of self preservation to oppose anything you think is opposed in the Bible.  At one time, not really all that long ago, I really believed that the murderers of abortion doctors were doing a righteous thing and would be rewarded richly in heaven.  I counted it against myself that I was not willing to do the same. 

Part of why I ultimately left all of that behind was some personal introspection that showed me how warped I was becoming.


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Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: Deborah on May 18, 2018, 03:41:51 pm
And to paraphrase Archie Bunker:

"Would it make you feel any better if they used French toast to jusify bigotry and hatred?"  :laugh: ;D
They would use freedom toast instead.


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Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: Stevi on May 18, 2018, 04:11:05 pm
I, too, see this as staged in the sense that the candidate was, I think, lying in wait to video a "gotcha" moment that she thinks will somehow garner her a few more votes.  It will certainty appeal to her base, but I don't think it will impress very many swing voters.  Swing voters are where elections are won or lost.

I doubt very much that she even needed to use the restroom for anything other than her political statement.

Stevi
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: AlexandraHamilton on May 18, 2018, 05:20:10 pm
GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom

BY JACQUELINE THOMSEN
05/17/18 07:48 PM EDT
TheHill.com

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/388251-gop-candidate-films-confronts-transgender-woman-using-womens-bathroom

A Republican candidate for Congress in California filmed herself confronting a transgender woman using the women’s bathroom at a Denny’s in Los Angeles.

Jazmina Saavedra, who is campaigning for a seat in California’s 44th District, streamed the incident on Facebook Live on Tuesday.

“I’m trying to use the ladies’ room and there is a man here claiming that he is a lady,” Saavedra said, entering the bathroom and filming outside the stall.

“You’re invading my privacy,” the transgender woman inside the stall said.


"You’re invading my privacy because I’m a woman and I deserve to use the woman, the ladies’ room,” Saavedra responded.

She then left the restroom and waited outside for the individual to exit. . . .

You know what one should do? Reverse-troll her. Telling her she has another chance on doing that """great""" publicity stunt with another transwoman... but send in a cis-woman and see how she is completely attacking her despite her being completely "GOP-normal". It's like a reverse-Turing-Test. Just by being told a person is trans too often brings forth confirmation bias... It is so sad.
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: Michelle_P on May 18, 2018, 05:37:44 pm
I had something like this confrontation, but without the camera, happen a while back in a local mall.

The screaming woman was eventually taken away by mall security. A similar outcome here would be wonderful.

In California we have the right to use the restroom matching our gender identity. People most definitely do not have the right to photograph or harass others in the restroom.


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Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: Devlyn on May 18, 2018, 05:48:46 pm
I had something like this confrontation, but without the camera, happen a while back in a local mall.

The screaming woman was eventually taken away by mall security. A similar outcome here would be wonderful.

In California we have the right to use the restroom matching our gender identity. People most definitely do not have the right to photograph or harass others in the restroom.


Oh, the ironic irony of this woman providing the video evidence to her own civil rights abuse trial!  >:-)
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: Janes Groove on May 18, 2018, 06:11:48 pm
Seems fake and staged.

Kind of.  Reminds me of the confrontational/exploitational Jerry Springer show.
And the transgender woman did claim that the transphobe was following her. Possible stalker?

What isn't fake tho is that this really plays well with the Republican base.
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: V M on May 18, 2018, 06:28:19 pm
Maybe her immigration status should be called into question LOL  Why do some of the least attractive women on earth worry about being accosted? Does she actually find herself to be interesting in some way? Did E.T. ever phone home? I am mystified

She does seem to be an actress looking for a stage to perpetuate her own bigoted ideals though

Maybe the title should read Trans Woman Publicly Victimized at Denny's for using a restroom
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: DawnOday on May 18, 2018, 07:34:56 pm
Why do the label Racism, Prejudice, Bigotry as morality Morality is obeying the two most important commandments which includes. Love thy neighbor as thyself.
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: ErinWDK on May 19, 2018, 04:43:06 pm
I saw this story on Fox News.  One step in the right direction is that they did not have a comments section -- so the mass of bile and hatred that would have come through there was cut off.

In Pennsylvania we do not have a state wide law that would protect transgender people using the rest room that fits their identity.  There is ONE state legislator using his committee chairmanship to block such a law from going for a vote.  This would win by a wide margin and the governor has promised to sign it.  The individual is virulently homophobic.  He has a challenger in the coming general election -- an openly gay man.  I am REALLY hoping here.  That is not really a swing district, but it has gone the other way in the past.

This candidate in California is out of touch.  She can't win, and despite what she thinks she HURTS the prospects for her identified party in other races.
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: AnneK on May 19, 2018, 04:57:07 pm
she HURTS the prospects for her identified party in other races.

Is that a problem?   ;)
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: Sydney_NYC on May 19, 2018, 05:02:36 pm
I, too, see this as staged in the sense that the candidate was, I think, lying in wait to video a "gotcha" moment that she thinks will somehow garner her a few more votes.  It will certainty appeal to her base, but I don't think it will impress very many swing voters.  Swing voters are where elections are won or lost.

I doubt very much that she even needed to use the restroom for anything other than her political statement.

Stevi

The video on her Facebook page ( https://www.facebook.com/jazmina.saavedra.7/videos/10212432236662423/ ) shows her sitting back down at the table after the transwoman is escorted away at the end. She never went back into the bathroom and the video ran for several minutes afterward and for someone that supposedly needed to use the bathroom, she wasn't in any hurry to go now that she wasn't in there anymore.

A couple of other things disturbing is that she invaded the transwoman's privacy and she was claiming her privacy was violated. The other thing is that she states that someone who identifies as female is allowed to using the ladies in by California law. (She didn't put it so nicely) Yet she thinks she is above the law and breaks the law by confronting her and getting the manager to kick her out which I don't understand since Denny's is pro-LGBT and California's had some of the best anti-discrimination laws including bathroom rights for transgender rights on the planet.

I do feel like the GOP candidate set this up as the transgender woman states that she had followed her before and she picked a non-passing transwoman as her victim. I think however that this is going to backfire on her for California. Had this been in TN or NC, it might have worked on a local level.
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: ErinWDK on May 19, 2018, 05:05:05 pm
Is that a problem?   ;)

It depends on how you look at things.  If the US House changes hands the president will be impeached.  If that gets by the Senate (it probably won't, but IF) then we get Mr. Pence for president.  Bad as things are, that still would be going from the frying pan to the fire.  That said, I still don't know if I can vote for my current Congress critter.  I think his opponent that I voted for in the primary is the first sensible competition he has faced.
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: ErinWDK on May 19, 2018, 05:12:39 pm
Yet she thinks she is above the law and breaks the law by confronting her and getting the manager to kick her out which I don't understand since Denny's is pro-LGBT and California's had some of the best anti-discrimination laws including bathroom rights for transgender rights on the planet.

I do feel like the GOP candidate set this up as the transgender woman states that she had followed her before and she picked a non-passing transwoman as her victim. I think however that this is going to backfire on her for California. Had this been in TN or NC, it might have worked on a local level.

The Fox story said the Denny's manager claimed there was drug paraphanalia in the stall -- sort of a bogus statement to cover himself it would seem.  I guess I pass better than I think as (so far, crossing fingers) I have not been challenged like that in a ladies room.
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: Donna on May 19, 2018, 05:56:49 pm
It sure feels like it could be a two point law suit coming on. One against her and one against Denny’s. That is absolute BS that you can’t use a restroom.
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: Sydney_NYC on May 19, 2018, 08:27:27 pm
It sure feels like it could be a two point law suit coming on. One against her and one against Denny’s. That is absolute BS that you can’t use a restroom.

Plus the fact that she live-streamed the event to Facebook might lead to some legal issues especial live streaming inside a bathroom where there is an expectation of privacy.
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: sarah1972 on May 20, 2018, 11:25:32 am
Well - Facebook does not think the video violates their community standards. Pretty disappointing.


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Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: Devlyn on May 20, 2018, 11:41:47 am
Well - Facebook does not think the video violates their community standards. Pretty disappointing.


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Yeah, surprise, surprise, fb isn't a supportive place. Part of the reason I quit.
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: AnneK on May 20, 2018, 11:55:23 am
Well - Facebook does not think the video violates their community standards. Pretty disappointing.

I didn't know Facebook had community standards.   ;)
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: Nova_Noelle on May 31, 2018, 11:56:03 am
This woman's actions are so shameful.  Ruining someone's day just to score political points with her socially conservative base is so pitiful. 

With Love,
Noelle
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: Sydney_NYC on May 31, 2018, 05:21:07 pm
A transgender woman named Erin Sith (a Trump Supporter) interviewed Jazmina Savvedra after the incident and it went better than I had expected. You can view the interview here: https://www.facebook.com/eesmith4/videos/10103766475599566/
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: Janes Groove on May 31, 2018, 05:40:22 pm
A transgender woman named Erin Sith (a Trump Supporter) interviewed Jazmina Savvedra after the incident and it went better than I had expected. You can view the interview here: https://www.facebook.com/eesmith4/videos/10103766475599566/

They are both saying you can be transgender as long as you pass.

"I think we need to use the restroom that causes the least amount of problems."
-Erin Sith
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: Sydney_NYC on May 31, 2018, 06:50:02 pm
They are both saying you can be transgender as long as you pass.

"I think we need to use the restroom that causes the least amount of problems."
-Erin Sith

There is nothing wrong with believing that as long as it's not forced onto others. I personally felt that way about myself as that is what I was comfortable with, but I would never force that for someone else.

Later on in the video, Erin did say that every transgender person does it their own way and should be able to. I do think she is skirting that though.
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: warlockmaker on May 31, 2018, 08:38:56 pm
Men, women and tgs are so confrontational with each other in the West. Everyone seems to act in an entitled manner.  In Asia we have a rule of respect and non confrontational attitude. Very much to do with buddhist philosophy to life of " live and let live with respect and do no harm to others". A philosophy that is ingrained in our daily life.

We hold seminars for Thai tgs travelling in Asia and the West.  Thailand rule is simple, of you are in female mode use the female if in male mode use male. It would be unacceptable for a drag queen with a beard to use the female toilet.

In other countries in Asia. If you still have a penis and do not pass as a female then use the mens. Be respectful of other and dont seek to offend them. Most countries in Asia define the use of bathrooms by penis or non penis by law.

We advise those travelling to the West, especially those that have a penis and do NOT pass to not use the female bathrooms and to dress androgenously. Thus, using the male bathroom, when needed,  is non confrontational. The Thais tgs, while accepted by society, are not given female ids. You cannot change your gender on legal documents. Thus travelling to the USA they  could face legal issues, if  they have a problem with someone in the bathroom.
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: Michelle_P on June 01, 2018, 01:45:14 am
Men, women and tgs are so confrontational with each other in the West. Everyone seems to act in an entitled manner.  In Asia we have a rule of respect and non confrontational attitude. Very much to do with buddhist philosophy to life of " live and let live with respect and do no harm to others". A philosophy that is ingrained in our daily life.
This is pretty much the operating principle in the USA as well.

There are a small number of extremists who try to force their viewpoint on others, through legislation, the occasional ‘potty police’ incident such as this politician engaged in, or in a bit of ‘street theater’ trying to make a point cispeople aren’t going to understand.

It gets very silly, until law enforcement shows up.

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We hold seminars for Thai tgs travelling in Asia and the West.  Thailand rule is simple, of you are in female mode use the female if in male mode use male. It would be unacceptable for a drag queen with a beard to use the female toilet.

In other countries in Asia. If you still have a penis and do not pass as a female then use the mens. Be respectful of other and dont seek to offend them. Most countries in Asia define the use of bathrooms by penis or non penis by law.

We advise those travelling to the West, especially those that have a penis and do NOT pass to not use the female bathrooms and to dress androgenously. Thus, using the male bathroom, when needed,  is non confrontational. The Thais tgs, while accepted by society, are not given female ids. You cannot change your gender on legal documents. Thus travelling to the USA they  could face legal issues, if  they have a problem with someone in the bathroom.

That is safest.  While unlikely, law enforcement folks could become involved, and in most states that could cause a problem for someone without ID matching their presentation. (California is an exception, and the police are mostly pretty good about it, outside of rural areas.  Some sheriffs are not exactly trans-friendly)
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: Janes Groove on June 02, 2018, 08:52:15 pm
In Asia we have a rule of respect and non confrontational attitude.

That's fine and every culture is different and must be respected.  I do note, however, that marriage equality is not a guaranteed right in the Thai Kingdom.

Also, since June is Pride Month, I am reflecting and wondering how many rights we take for granted today were not hard won without direct confrontation like Stonewall and groups like Act Up.
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: Deborah on June 02, 2018, 09:08:14 pm
That's fine and every culture is different and must be respected.  I do note, however, that marriage equality is not a guaranteed right in the Thai Kingdom.

Also, since June is Pride Month, I am reflecting and wondering how many rights we take for granted today were not hard won without direct confrontation like Stonewall and groups like Act Up.
You can take that even further and reflect on how many had to die just to get basic civil rights in the 1960s or even the right not to be enslaved in the 19th century.  None of that came about through mutual respect. 


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Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: V M on June 02, 2018, 09:47:55 pm
There has been turmoil all over the world since the beginning of time, no place is better than anywhere else - Never met anyone who's poo didn't stink

Anyway, let's get back on the topic at hand - "GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom"
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: itsApril on June 06, 2018, 01:16:19 pm
UPDATE - Results of California Primary, June 5, 2018:

This toxic anti-trans candidate Jazmina Saavedra utterly DEFEATED:

Candidate                                          Votes                Percent
Nanette Diaz Barragán (DEM)              26,356               65.8%
Aja L. Brown (DEM)                              6,700               16.7%
Stacey Dash (REP)                               2,927                7.3%
Jazmina Saavedra (REP)                   4,058               10.1%

Here's the link to the results on the CA Secretary of State website:

https://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/us-rep/district/44

Under California's election laws, Saavedra is now ELIMINATED in the primary and will not appear on the general election ballot in November.
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: ErinWDK on June 07, 2018, 09:51:07 am
Yes, she is eliminated.  But it gets better...  Two of the four candidates had unofficially withdrawn before the primary.  So, as one of the two candidates still campaigning, she couldn't get into the top two.  Her hate was utterly rejected.

Good!
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: AnneK on June 07, 2018, 10:17:51 am
So, as one of the two candidates still campaigning, she couldn't get into the top two.

That takes some doing!   ;)

Does that mean there'll be only a Democrat candidate next election?
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: itsApril on June 07, 2018, 01:43:02 pm
Does that mean there'll be only a Democrat candidate next election?

Yes.  California has a weird and unique "jungle primary" system, in which all candidates  of all parties run in the same primary election.  Then, the top two primary finishers (regardless of party) appear on the ballot in the general election.

This means that in some cases, major-party candidates may find themselves "shut out" of an election.  California's 44th District is 70% Hispanic, with a heavily Democratic voter registration advantage.  As a result of the primary election, Saavedra is "shut out" and will not even appear on the ballot in November, even though she got more votes than the other Republican candidate.

Saavedra is a goner.
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: Donna on June 16, 2018, 10:39:00 am
That’s great news but she really needed to get 0 votes. Any votes show someone feels her points are valid when they clearly are not
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: Patty_M on June 16, 2018, 07:01:11 pm

FYI she lost in her primary.

Hopefully that is the last time we will see her on national media.



A Republican candidate for Congress in California filmed herself confronting a transgender woman using the women’s bathroom at a Denny’s in Los Angeles.

Jazmina Saavedra, who is campaigning for a seat in California’s 44th District, streamed the incident on Facebook Live on Tuesday.

“I’m trying to use the ladies’ room and there is a man here claiming that he is a lady,” Saavedra said, entering the bathroom and filming outside the stall.

“You’re invading my privacy,” the transgender woman inside the stall said.


"You’re invading my privacy because I’m a woman and I deserve to use the woman, the ladies’ room,” Saavedra responded.

She then left the restroom and waited outside for the individual to exit. . . .
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Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: Donna on June 16, 2018, 09:20:30 pm
Yes all that and then never used the bathroom on top of that. There was also more than one stall for her to use. Maybe that was here favourite side or something
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: MoreThan2 on June 22, 2018, 09:18:31 pm
No matter your affiliation you must admit this is disgusting, and purposeless.
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: warlockmaker on June 22, 2018, 11:01:11 pm
I fully understand the views of TGs and other LGBTQ supporters on this topic, please accept that presently we are the minority. However, in discussing this with my US and Western female friends I get a very different point of view. I dont need to mention men's views which are overwhelming. Its their views that I have used to guide tg in transition. Respect for each others rights are important and this may attract venomous responses.

A summary of their view is if you are pre op and blatantly dont pass then you should not use a female toilet. This is being respectful of others rights.Society will come to accept us but it cannot happen tomorrow, it may take a generation or more, but it will happen. Taking a very agressive attitude will result in many females not supporting us, this is already the case with feminists. The womans equality movement continues to assert their rights after more than a generation. We have to set an example of tolerence and respect for each others views so that future generations understand and respectfully change.
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: Devlyn on June 23, 2018, 06:32:43 am
I fully understand the views of TGs and other LGBTQ supporters on this topic, please accept that presently we are the minority. However, in discussing this with my US and Western female friends I get a very different point of view. I dont need to mention men's views which are overwhelming. Its their views that I have used to guide tg in transition. Respect for each others rights are important and this may attract venomous responses.

A summary of their view is if you are pre op and blatantly dont pass then you should not use a female toilet. This is being respectful of others rights.Society will come to accept us but it cannot happen tomorrow, it may take a generation or more, but it will happen. Taking a very agressive attitude will result in many females not supporting us, this is already the case with feminists. The womans equality movement continues to assert their rights after more than a generation. We have to set an example of tolerence and respect for each others views so that future generations understand and respectfully change.

I have to disagree. Rosa Parks didn't pass as white, but she refused to sit at the back of the bus.

Hugs, Devlyn
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: Donna on June 23, 2018, 08:35:38 am
I also have to disagree. I have guy bits but nothing sticks out. I have to sit to pee. I live as a
Female and I’m not going into a men’s washroom in a dress and heels and hair and makeup ever. Part of Wpath to get surgery approval is living as your desired gender for at least a year and if you are choosing to not use the appropriate washrooms and change rooms then you are not being true to yourself. Be courteous, be respectful and be a lady about it. I’ve meet some cis woman that could very easily us the men’s room if they were in jeans and a sloppy tee yet we should not until surgery and 100% passing. Who is to determine who passes.
Just my thoughts
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: RobynD on June 23, 2018, 10:09:53 am
Using the toilet is a simple public right and necessity is should never be a question of passing, beauty, clothing or anything other than the identity of the user.

Those signs on the bathroom were never meant to be a legal barrier to anything. Relieving oneself is not an intimate act, it's not something to be embarrassed about or is washing your hands and checking your hair in the mirror. If someone for whatever reason feels uncomfortable with that, it is their issue, not yours.

Last night I went to a concert with my girlfriend and her kids and felt like dressing masculinish. Unisex T-shirt, no bra because it was warm, distressed jeans, plain black boots, no makeup and my hair was in a bun. Other than my apparent boobs under my shirt, i was looking pretty butch. I used the women's facilities twice, both times standing in line for a bit, with my girlfriend and with out, and i was never even glanced wrong at. I was talked to typically and smiled at.

If someone had voiced opposition to me being there, I would not have hesitated to set them straight.

Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: Dena on June 23, 2018, 11:55:32 am
The rule we went by is to use the restroom that matches how your presenting. This eliminates the argument about do you pass or not because some people may never fully pass. For that matter, I don't always pass even today but I have never been questioned about the restroom I used.

When I use the restroom, it's in, do my business and then leave when I am done. This isn't always normal CiS woman behavior because often I have to dodge around a social group gathered in the middle of the restroom floor in a busy restroom.
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: AnneK on June 23, 2018, 05:47:53 pm
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This isn't always normal CiS woman behavior because often I have to dodge around a social group gathered in the middle of the restroom floor in a busy restroom.

I often wondered if they had a card game or something going on, as they always went in together and seemed to take so long.   ;)
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: warlockmaker on June 23, 2018, 07:21:54 pm
Honestly, I have young daughters and I would object if the using  a female toilet was arbitrary choice.
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: Lucca on June 23, 2018, 07:57:13 pm
Gender-segrated restrooms presume that I'm a dangerous predator, based solely on my appearance and a label that other people have attached to me that I did not ask for. Being viewed as a threat when I've never been threatening to anybody is something that's caused me no end of strife, and I don't appreciate it.
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: kaitylynn on June 23, 2018, 08:07:42 pm
While I might be persuaded to agree that some thought might be needed to enter a restroom, what this person did was what we must NEVER allow to be justified.  Even if the person did not pass, they did not appear to be in there for any other purpose than needing to use the toilet.  What ensued is deplorable, and no set of standards for transition can change that this was an assault.

The person who filmed this was looking for her opportunity and it she thought your hands were too big...that could have been enough to trigger her.  I am part of the Southern California community, though only loosely associated.  There is some really crazy trans politic and honestly, it is often silliness.  We do not need blatant attacks to be normalized from outside parties.

Glad she lost her primary.
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: Michelle_P on June 24, 2018, 06:39:40 pm
I’ll just note that responses to the presence of a trans woman in a womens restroom can vary wildly.  Typically nothing happens.  We are all there for the same reason.

ONE time, once, I had a woman take exception, watch which stall I entered, and tried to kick in the door once I was sitting.  She then followed me through a shopping center shouting religious tracts at me until Security took her away.

A number of times I have gotten dirty looks.  Oh well.  I still need to pee, and I am NOT going in the men’s room.  That would be foolish and dangerous in this country.
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: Ryuichi13 on June 25, 2018, 08:39:54 pm
I'm glad that negative person lost!  She's obviously still stuck in the 19th century.  What's next, high collared dresses and bustles?

Even when I was pre-T, before I passed as male, I began using the men's room.  Sure I got looks, but I simply said in my deepest voice, "S'up?" and nodded my head.  If anyone would have had an issue, I would have simply looked at them as crazy. 

Besides, even some CIS women "never pass."

Bathroom policing is just that, "policing" those who need to use the bathroom.  What's next in bathroom policing?  Demanding to see ID before you go in?  Its silly and a 19th century way of thinking.  This is the 21st century!  Let those that need to use the facilities be allowed to use them, according to their gender identity. 

Or better yet, make ALL restrooms gender neutral.  That way, there's no paranoid person demanding to see what gender you are.

Ryuichi
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: ErinWDK on June 26, 2018, 08:21:12 am
I'm glad that negative person lost!  She's obviously still stuck in the 19th century.  What's next, high collared dresses and bustles?

Even when I was pre-T, before I passed as male, I began using the men's room.  Sure I got looks, but I simply said in my deepest voice, "S'up?" and nodded my head.  If anyone would have had an issue, I would have simply looked at them as crazy. 

Besides, even some CIS women "never pass."

Bathroom policing is just that, "policing" those who need to use the bathroom.  What's next in bathroom policing?  Demanding to see ID before you go in?  Its silly and a 19th century way of thinking.  This is the 21st century!  Let those that need to use the facilities be allowed to use them, according to their gender identity. 

Or better yet, make ALL restrooms gender neutral.  That way, there's no paranoid person demanding to see what gender you are.

Ryuichi

The mens room is not as much of an issue.  I did go into one once dressed in a manner that caused my doctor to ask "Why didn't you dress?"  (this was REALLY androgynous, which is truly hard to hit for someone my age)  A man came in, freaked out, and locked himself in a stall.  Well...

Generally mens rooms are not a place for socialization, so saying little or nothing is expected.

The real idea is as Ryuichi suggests:  Make ALL restrooms gender neutral.
Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: Devlyn on June 26, 2018, 11:07:12 am
I'm glad that negative person lost!  She's obviously still stuck in the 19th century.  What's next, high collared dresses and bustles?

Even when I was pre-T, before I passed as male, I began using the men's room.  Sure I got looks, but I simply said in my deepest voice, "S'up?" and nodded my head.  If anyone would have had an issue, I would have simply looked at them as crazy. 

Besides, even some CIS women "never pass."

Bathroom policing is just that, "policing" those who need to use the bathroom.  What's next in bathroom policing?  Demanding to see ID before you go in?  Its silly and a 19th century way of thinking.  This is the 21st century!  Let those that need to use the facilities be allowed to use them, according to their gender identity. 

Or better yet, make ALL restrooms gender neutral.  That way, there's no paranoid person demanding to see what gender you are.

Ryuichi

The mens room is not as much of an issue.  I did go into one once dressed in a manner that caused my doctor to ask "Why didn't you dress?"  (this was REALLY androgynous, which is truly hard to hit for someone my age)  A man came in, freaked out, and locked himself in a stall.  Well...

Generally mens rooms are not a place for socialization, so saying little or nothing is expected.

The real idea is as Ryuichi suggests:  Make ALL restrooms gender neutral.

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Title: Re: GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom
Post by: Zoe_Kay on August 14, 2018, 01:09:02 am
GOP candidate films herself confronting transgender woman using bathroom

BY JACQUELINE THOMSEN
05/17/18 07:48 PM EDT
TheHill.com

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/388251-gop-candidate-films-confronts-transgender-woman-using-womens-bathroom

A Republican candidate for Congress in California filmed herself confronting a transgender woman using the women’s bathroom at a Denny’s in Los Angeles.

Jazmina Saavedra, who is campaigning for a seat in California’s 44th District, streamed the incident on Facebook Live on Tuesday.

“I’m trying to use the ladies’ room and there is a man here claiming that he is a lady,” Saavedra said, entering the bathroom and filming outside the stall.

“You’re invading my privacy,” the transgender woman inside the stall said.


"You’re invading my privacy because I’m a woman and I deserve to use the woman, the ladies’ room,” Saavedra responded.

She then left the restroom and waited outside for the individual to exit. . . .

My God, what kind of person does this?   Ugh