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Title: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: Battle Goddess on February 18, 2019, 01:50:10 pm
Was wondering if anyone had first-hand experience with Kelly.

I've had laser on my face and am not unhappy with my results. I'll certainly never grow a beard again.

Unfortunately, I'd started going grey before coming out to myself, and even before then my beard was a melange of brown, black, blonde and red. Laser just won't clear everything, and there are some very dark hairs that it can't seem to clear no matter what.

I live near Chicago, and when I mentioned electrolysis to my tdoc, she immediately blurted out "Kelly."

The website looks promising. When I used the search function on Susan's, I was able to draw up a couple of mentions, but it left me wanting to know a little more.

I was just wondering if anyone could speak first-hand to their experiences there.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: Renee.D on February 18, 2019, 10:07:50 pm
Was wondering if anyone had first-hand experience with Kelly.

I've had laser on my face and am not unhappy with my results. I'll certainly never grow a beard again.

Unfortunately, I'd started going grey before coming out to myself, and even before then my beard was a melange of brown, black, blonde and red. Laser just won't clear everything, and there are some very dark hairs that it can't seem to clear no matter what.

I live near Chicago, and when I mentioned electrolysis to my tdoc, she immediately blurted out "Kelly."

The website looks promising. When I used the search function on Susan's, I was able to draw up a couple of mentions, but it left me wanting to know a little more.

I was just wondering if anyone could speak first-hand to their experiences there.

Thanks!
@Jamie320 goes to Kelly and speaks highly of her.

I am going to be going to Precision Hair Removal in Chicago. Jamie had recommended them to me as well.

Both places work closely with the transgender community and offer large portion hair removal.
My first round of removal will be 30 hours long! Two days with 2 techs working on me for 8 hours each day!

I recommend talking to Jamie320 for some more first hand information. Kelly is a very sweet person from the conversations I have had with her.


Good luck!
Lacy
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: KatieP on March 18, 2019, 11:43:59 am
@Jamie320 goes to Kelly and speaks highly of her.

I am going to be going to Precision Hair Removal in Chicago. Jamie had recommended them to me as well.

Both places work closely with the transgender community and offer large portion hair removal.
My first round of removal will be 30 hours long! Two days with 2 techs working on me for 8 hours each day!

I recommend talking to Jamie320 for some more first hand information. Kelly is a very sweet person from the conversations I have had with her.


Good luck!
Lacy

Hi Lacy, Have you done the major session yet? Any reports you can make?

Thanks!!!

Kate
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: Renee.D on March 27, 2019, 10:44:44 pm
Hi Lacy, Have you done the major session yet? Any reports you can make?

Thanks!!!

Kate
Kate,
My session is on the second week of May. The doctor is on Vacation for the months of March and April.

I will make sure to do a thorough catalog of my experiences for everyone.

Lacy
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: KatieP on June 04, 2019, 03:46:21 pm
Kate,
My session is on the second week of May. The doctor is on Vacation for the months of March and April.

I will make sure to do a thorough catalog of my experiences for everyone.

Lacy

Ping? Any experiences you would like to share? Hairy faces want to know...  ;D

Thanks!

Katie
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: Renee.D on June 14, 2019, 09:38:42 am
Ping? Any experiences you would like to share? Hairy faces want to know...  ;D

Thanks!

Katie
Katie,
I was just thinking about you this week! My May appointment had to be rescheduled to July 8, 9 due to some Family graduations that took place in May.

I already have the days off, so this is it! I will make sure to give some before and after pictures along with my experiences!

Lacy
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: AutumnLeaves on June 14, 2019, 10:17:04 am
Just for the record, I am going to be at Precision Hair Removal on June 25th and 26th for basically a full body clearing (my face has been clear for ages but I want my legs, underarms, tummy, etc. done along with basically a full Brazilian bikini line.) It's gonna be quite the trip, but I am looking forward to it. I am guessing I will probably need to go back three times or so and then I can get the stragglers removed by somebody local to me.

Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: KatieP on June 18, 2019, 09:03:58 pm
Katie,
I was just thinking about you this week! My May appointment had to be rescheduled to July 8, 9 due to some Family graduations that took place in May.

I already have the days off, so this is it! I will make sure to give some before and after pictures along with my experiences!

Lacy

Fabulous!!

I was actually scheduled for 11 - 12 July, but then found out I had to work that week, so I postponed to the end of August. Which, is perfect for me, so that I can hear your stories!!!

Thank you for going first...!

Katie
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: Renee.D on June 18, 2019, 10:01:35 pm
I love that there are several of us scheduled so close together! I am counting down the days to getting my face electrified!

I have 10+ years of electrical experience. I have been hit by 110v 220v 480v 277v and I'm ready for another shocking experience!

I have actually had a surprising reduction in facial hair from the HRT. I will post some pictures once my beard grows out a bit longer.
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: KatieP on June 19, 2019, 09:10:56 pm


I have actually had a surprising reduction in facial hair from the HRT. I will post some pictures once my beard grows out a bit longer.

OMG. You have way more guts than I do. One of my biggest issues in scheduling weekly sessions is trying to grow out my facial hair enough for the electrologist to do their thing. It sort of means 4 days of not going outside. I can't imagine letting people see me like that. I was SO embarrassed to let it grow for a few days to take pictures to send to the Precision Hair people. I just hated having to memorialize that. I understand why they needed the pictures. It just hurt to wait, and it hurt to take and see the pictures.

So, I am pretty sure I won't ever post the before pictures on any web site.

As I have said many times, fundamentally, I am a coward. And, I am amazed how often that is proven during transition...

And too am happy that several of us are in the same calendar quarter. It does give me hope...

Katie
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: Renee.D on June 20, 2019, 03:42:13 pm


OMG. You have way more guts than I do. One of my biggest issues in scheduling weekly sessions is trying to grow out my facial hair enough for the electrologist to do their thing. It sort of means 4 days of not going outside. I can't imagine letting people see me like that. I was SO embarrassed to let it grow for a few days to take pictures to send to the Precision Hair people. I just hated having to memorialize that. I understand why they needed the pictures. It just hurt to wait, and it hurt to take and see the pictures.

So, I am pretty sure I won't ever post the before pictures on any web site.

As I have said many times, fundamentally, I am a coward. And, I am amazed how often that is proven during transition...

And too am happy that several of us are in the same calendar quarter. It does give me hope...

Katie

I hated growing it out for the new patient pictures as well. I hadn't gone without shaving for a long time when I did that.

For the sake of showing people just beginning  transition I feel like I will pony up and post some distressing pictures. My beard used to be long enough to nearly touch my chest! I was majorly compensating.

Facial hair is easily one of my biggest triggers now. I am not going full time until August 15th. That is probably the inly reason I can grow it out long enough to get some photos!

After electrolysis though, there will be no growing any of it out until I have to for future appointments!
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: KatieP on June 22, 2019, 04:22:04 pm

I hated growing it out for the new patient pictures as well. I hadn't gone without shaving for a long time when I did that.

For the sake of showing people just beginning  transition I feel like I will pony up and post some distressing pictures. My beard used to be long enough to nearly touch my chest! I was majorly compensating.

Facial hair is easily one of my biggest triggers now. I am not going full time until August 15th. That is probably the inly reason I can grow it out long enough to get some photos!

After electrolysis though, there will be no growing any of it out until I have to for future appointments!

Yep. Although, when you say, "After electrolysis" are you talking after the first session, or after the 4th or 5th session when they should be mostly done?

I have done nearly everything about transition backwards. I am full time at work. This cause two huge problems: 1. I have to shave every day, and if the day goes long, twice a day. 2. It is nearly impossible to go 5 days without shaving unless I am on vacation or have some other excuse to not be at work in front of people. It was a stupid path to take, but I was too impatient to follow the steps, and just jumped in.

You, OTOH, are FAR smarter.

Good job!!!

I have to say too, that imagining your profile picture with a beard is literally impossible for me, and I have quite an imagination...   ;D

Katie
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: Renee.D on July 09, 2019, 07:21:32 am
Okay! So I knocked out day one yesterday at Precision Hair Removal. I was lucky and had Irina and Ivana. They are a fantastic team. That isn't to say anyone else isn't good. Everyone is extremely friendly and helpful!

Dr. Z is very friendly and down to earth. He came in 3 time to shoot me up with Lidocaine.  I want to sit down and make a list of everything that I wished I had known going into this. That way you girls won't have any surprises.

Mainly be prepared for massive amounts of swelling. I didn't know it would be so intense.  I went out to the car at 8 and my wife lost it. My kids look at me like I'm from outer space!

I have attached 4 pictures. Before, during, after and morning after!

Before
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190709/cf07201e01ef8bb80d4836964412e14c.jpg)

During
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190709/601b6fd5cff0e31b2c042f559aea9709.jpg)

After
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190709/8421a22430a8ae319e862e9704331ed2.jpg)

Morning After
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190709/06cc4c90cff720323cca921fb7e20a31.jpg)
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: Maddie on July 09, 2019, 08:33:54 am
Thank you for sharing your experience Lacy!

Northern IL is really not that far to go for me, considering...I should look into this and inquire about cost.
I'm in NE WI, and have been slowly chipping away at this stone since 2015 with an electrolyst who has never cleared a transwoman face.
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: Renee.D on July 10, 2019, 10:59:46 am
Thank you for sharing your experience Lacy!

Northern IL is really not that far to go for me, considering...I should look into this and inquire about cost.
I'm in NE WI, and have been slowly chipping away at this stone since 2015 with an electrolyst who has never cleared a transwoman face.
Maddie,
I am glad I have the opportunity to share!

The beard is my biggest trigger. I used to wear it down to my chest when I was trying to convince myself that I was male. That may be why!

I live in Iowa and am about 4.5 hours away from Chicago. I would highly recommend going  to Precision for hair removal. They are great!

I am headed back home today, so I will give another little update. I am thinking I will make a separate thread regarding my full experience and what I wished I knew before hand.

They were able to get my hair removed except for a small patch on my lower neck. Probably 30 minutes worth.

My medicine wore off with an hour left. That was the longest hour of my life! With so much trauma to the area already, the discomfort was intense. It doesn't hurt at all today. It is just super itchy.

Here are some more pictures.

During day 2 (Neck)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190710/156eb6d2a2bbd0fd14c4d90f9de7a324.jpg)

After
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190710/67e8726f5aac3228d0cb0d218a51179f.jpg)

Discoloration. Turned out it was from where they rested their arms!
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190710/96b10d996143166b0b1afae9f3d3b83b.jpg)

Morning after day 2!
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190710/5118f7ec0fd49cff471dfd53a367e2cd.jpg)


Needless to say, I am ready for a break. I feel so uncomfortably swollen. I was told that I was mildly swollen compared to most girls! I can't imagine. I genuinely feel for anyone who has more swelling.

I was so tired last night that i failed with my regular icing and slept crooked which didn't help with the swelling.

Lacy
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: KatieP on July 11, 2019, 08:49:15 pm
WOW!!

A fabulous update. THANK YOU, THANK YOU!

I was scheduled for today and tomorrow, but work got in the way, and i am now scheduled for 29 - 30 August. So, this is SUPER timely!

As it heals, can you let us know when you had to shave again, and when you thought you could use makeup again?

As well, from your perspective, did they do a "complete" clearing in the two days, except for that small patch you mentioned? That is, in the places they DID work on, at the moment, is there truly no hair there? (For the moment, I know...)

You didn't mention lots of oozing. The last time I did this with the people in Dallas, I oozed for a very long time. Your face looks really great on that front.

Thank you again for doing this!

Katie
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: Cav27 on July 25, 2019, 08:50:00 pm
Hi and thanks for the update ! -

Katie: You mentioned Dallas, was it Electrology3000 that you went to? Are you now switching to Precision hair removal in IL?
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: KatieP on July 26, 2019, 01:02:10 am
Hi and thanks for the update ! -

Katie: You mentioned Dallas, was it Electrology3000 that you went to? Are you now switching to Precision hair removal in IL?

Yes. It was a while back, and it was called, Electrology 2000 at the time. For me, it was a terrible experience. I still have scars from it, and AFAICT, no actual reduction in hair in the locations they worked on.

And, yes, I am trying Precision Hair Removal. I am scheduled for the end of August for 2 days. We'll see how it goes. But I am soooo encouraged by Lacy's experience.

Katie
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: Cav27 on July 26, 2019, 09:24:26 am
Oh! I am sorry to hear that. I went to Electrology3000 and had Denise (one of the co-owners) & a technician work on my face. Its too early to say anything because i have only had 1 clearing on my face. I also looked into Precision in Chicago but went to Dallas instead. When i read up about Precision's process, i saw that they too use the thermolysis technique but as skills vary depending on operator, one could be better than the other...I wish the whole profession of Electrology was more standardized esp male beard removals... I would love to know more about your experience though if youre comfortable ofcourse... I wasnt 100% satisfied with my experience in Dallas too but i doubt that i would be 100% satisfied anywhere i go- its such a painful process to be stabbed in the face ... both emotionally & physically painful...
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: KatieP on July 26, 2019, 06:27:10 pm
Oh! I am sorry to hear that. I went to Electrology3000 and had Denise (one of the co-owners) & a technician work on my face. Its too early to say anything because i have only had 1 clearing on my face. I also looked into Precision in Chicago but went to Dallas instead. When i read up about Precision's process, i saw that they too use the thermolysis technique but as skills vary depending on operator, one could be better than the other...I wish the whole profession of Electrology was more standardized esp male beard removals... I would love to know more about your experience though if youre comfortable ofcourse... I wasnt 100% satisfied with my experience in Dallas too but i doubt that i would be 100% satisfied anywhere i go- its such a painful process to be stabbed in the face ... both emotionally & physically painful...

So, it was either 2000 or 2005, I don't recall which. (Those were the years I flew to the Oshkosh, WI AirVenture, and I stopped in on the way to AirVenture.) I had heard good things about them and so made an appointment. They told me they should be able to do a complete clearing in one day, which would not show hairs for a week or two, and within a week or so, I could be back in makeup. They did not ask for pictures of my facial hair. When I got there, they were VERY pleasant, and in spite of my looks called me she/her 100% of the time. The owner, maybe, at the time was a dentist, and she would come in and give you some injections, and the technicians would get to work. We stopped for lunch, and after lunch more injections, and they went at it again. The injections hurt like holy tarnation. But they were hugely effective. The whole thing was completely painless except for the excruciating pain of the injections.

When they were done at the end of the day, they had "cleared" my upper lip, and about an inch wide swath down each side of my face, in sort of the goatee area. They did not touch the cheeks, nor throat. (Which as it turned out, was good for me.)  My lower face resembled hamburger, and was oozing and dripping a lot. They suggested zinc oxide and some antibiotic. But either of those just sort of melted off pretty quickly. After a week of oozing, it did stop, to be replaced by huge scabs all over my chin. The scabs lasted another month or so. During that time, I could not shave anywhere close to the area, and hair was everywhere. I had hoped to visit AirVenture dressed as female, but that was not possible. And, actually it was probably two months before I could remove enough facial hair and /or wear make to go outside. It was one of the most embarrassing times of my entire life. When all the healing had finished, I had several scars left in the area. They are still there, my reminder of trying to do the easy-button version of transition.

Fast forward 15 or 20 years, and because of my work schedule, I have had perhaps 20 hours of additional electrolysis. It is a huge pain for me to work as a female, and somehow let my facial hair grow for 3 or 4 days to get long enough to zap. And having to shave while hiding in a bathroom stall every mid-afternoon has been less than fun. So, in desperation... once again, I am thinking of trying for the easy button approach.

I literally don't know what I will do if Precision hair ends up the way Electrology 2000 did for me.

Was that more information than I should have shared?  ;D

Katie

Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: Cav27 on July 26, 2019, 07:44:10 pm
Hi Katie,

That makes total sense- thank you so much for sharing this. I only visited E3000 early July this year for the first time. I know that it is now co-owned by Denise and i think her sister Sabrina. I have only had Denise and one of their techs Natasha work on me during my 1st clearing. BTW i am a gay male and im not transitioning but i want most of my facial hair gone. My husband, an ex surgeon, was accompanying me and i had to call him into the room because i felt the numbing injections stabbing in my face and i felt that something wasnt right. When he asked one of the techs to change her technique slightly it made a HUGE difference in pain. The tech, Natasha, was very willing to try out a new way and I was extremely pleased that they did not feel threatened by having my husband around. Denise, the owner (who also worked on my face at the same time as did Natasha) is better at injecting than the other techs so going ahead i will feel comfortable with them. That said i must say that my husband also said that they did a GOOD job with injecting though it could have been better... he said that in any case numbing shots on the face hurt like crazy and not even all doctors or nurses inject perfectly- some are better than the others.

Anyway with regards to the actual electrolysis, I had about 14 total tech hours on my face, 90% on Day 1 and the remainder on Day 2. My face did swell but not as much as i had expected it to. I iced it a lot on the 1st night and slept in an elevated manner. I live in Boston so i flew back 3 days after with some swelling and mild bruising on my left side of the neck. All the swelling went down within 10 days as did the bruises. Right now on Day 17, i have 4-5 ingrowns on my neck. I shaved once on Day 15 because i wanted to give my skin a break from any further irritation. All my stubble is back now and i cant wait for Session 2.

I think possibly what might have gone wrong in your case is that they used a much higher current than they should have- perhaps they were new in those days and not as experienced. I have also read that numbing shots dont allow an electrologist to get feedback on the client with regards to the current because the person is totally numb- this can lead to over treatment and scabbing etc...I think that now they probably treat more conservatively but im not a professional to comment on technique.  I think that over the past 15 years the owner Denise has gained much experience to not do that....

Precision sounds like a good bet though i have concerns about using twilight sedation - im totally cool with the lidocaine shots though- i have read here that people felt groggy for hours after their treatment. Im not sure i would like to deal with that for 3 clearings!

Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: Renee.D on August 04, 2019, 09:46:06 pm


So, it was either 2000 or 2005, I don't recall which. (Those were the years I flew to the Oshkosh, WI AirVenture, and I stopped in on the way to AirVenture.) I had heard good things about them and so made an appointment. They told me they should be able to do a complete clearing in one day, which would not show hairs for a week or two, and within a week or so, I could be back in makeup. They did not ask for pictures of my facial hair. When I got there, they were VERY pleasant, and in spite of my looks called me she/her 100% of the time. The owner, maybe, at the time was a dentist, and she would come in and give you some injections, and the technicians would get to work. We stopped for lunch, and after lunch more injections, and they went at it again. The injections hurt like holy tarnation. But they were hugely effective. The whole thing was completely painless except for the excruciating pain of the injections.

When they were done at the end of the day, they had "cleared" my upper lip, and about an inch wide swath down each side of my face, in sort of the goatee area. They did not touch the cheeks, nor throat. (Which as it turned out, was good for me.)  My lower face resembled hamburger, and was oozing and dripping a lot. They suggested zinc oxide and some antibiotic. But either of those just sort of melted off pretty quickly. After a week of oozing, it did stop, to be replaced by huge scabs all over my chin. The scabs lasted another month or so. During that time, I could not shave anywhere close to the area, and hair was everywhere. I had hoped to visit AirVenture dressed as female, but that was not possible. And, actually it was probably two months before I could remove enough facial hair and /or wear make to go outside. It was one of the most embarrassing times of my entire life. When all the healing had finished, I had several scars left in the area. They are still there, my reminder of trying to do the easy-button version of transition.

Fast forward 15 or 20 years, and because of my work schedule, I have had perhaps 20 hours of additional electrolysis. It is a huge pain for me to work as a female, and somehow let my facial hair grow for 3 or 4 days to get long enough to zap. And having to shave while hiding in a bathroom stall every mid-afternoon has been less than fun. So, in desperation... once again, I am thinking of trying for the easy button approach.

I literally don't know what I will do if Precision hair ends up the way Electrology 2000 did for me.

Was that more information than I should have shared?  ;D

Katie

Katie I didn't have any oozing or dripping. I had redness on the left side of my neck that lasted a few weeks. That was the worst of it.

My numbing medication stopped working during the last hour of removal. I can say that the electrolysis definitely hurt, but by no means did I feel like it was worse than I could handle or that it was burning me.

All the ladies at Precision were very conscious and good at their job. I feel like I was in good hands with women who truly care about the transgender community and work very hard to help us during this step.

I didn't have to shave for 2.5 weeks after. Even now after almost a full month, the hair that is growing back is extremely sparse and most of it is more peachy than it is man hair.

I'm sorry you had such a terrible experience. Ivana is familiar with the place down in Texas. If you share your experience with her, I am sure she will talk through any concerns you have.

Good luck sis!
Lacy
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: Cav27 on August 06, 2019, 02:13:04 pm
Hi Lacy-

How many hours of electrolysis did you need for your face on your last clearing at Precision? Also was it your 1st ever clearing? You mentioned that you scheduled for 2 days- could you tell me the breakup of how many hrs on days 1 and 2.

My 1st clearing took 14 hours. Im curious to hear your experience-

thanks a ton :)
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: Renee.D on August 07, 2019, 10:45:14 am
Hi Lacy-

How many hours of electrolysis did you need for your face on your last clearing at Precision? Also was it your 1st ever clearing? You mentioned that you scheduled for 2 days- could you tell me the breakup of how many hrs on days 1 and 2.

My 1st clearing took 14 hours. Im curious to hear your experience-

thanks a ton :)

@Cav27,
This was my first clearing. I had 30 hours over two days. it was split up 12/18 (6/9 with 2 technicians) on those two days.
I feel like they did a very good job. They got all but a small patch on the lower right side of my neck.

The worst part for me was laying down for that long. The first day was worse because I was on a table that didn't recline. It was just flat. I had hardly any support for my lower back and ended up with some pretty intense cramps. I would definitely recommend asking for or bringing a pillow or cushion for support. The second day I was in a room with a chair that reclined to all the way flat. It had much better support for my back, and even in the most reclined position, I was never completely flat!

Lacy
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: Cav27 on August 07, 2019, 04:18:21 pm
Wow 30 hours is a lot! I was done in 14 hours in E3K in Dallas but im not sure whether Precision uses a different technique than does E3k. E3k uses thermolysis. If i do switch to Precision, i hope im not in for 30 hrs- seems too brutal ... lol

Did you feel the pain from lidocaine shots? Not sure what the point of twilight is if one still feels all the pain from the shots?

Btw prior to my 1st ever clearing i was told that i have an "average" beard if that makes a difference.
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: Renee.D on August 07, 2019, 05:00:17 pm
Wow 30 hours is a lot! I was done in 14 hours in E3K in Dallas but im not sure whether Precision uses a different technique than does E3k. E3k uses thermolysis. If i do switch to Precision, i hope im not in for 30 hrs- seems too brutal ... lol

Did you feel the pain from lidocaine shots? Not sure what the point of twilight is if one still feels all the pain from the shots?

Btw prior to my 1st ever clearing i was told that i have an "average" beard if that makes a difference.

I had a thick beard! Thankfully not a thick mustache! I come from a family where the men have been known to win collegiate beard-growing contests! 30 hours was intense! I was ready for a break by the time it was over! Now I just want to kill more hair!

They do free consultations for new patients. You have to grow your facial hair out for a while to ensure they see your full growth. That is the unfun portion. If you have already had 14 hours or more done, there is no way you will need 30 hours at a time!

Yes, I could feel the bone pinching flavor of the lidocaine shots! The twilight wasn't nearly as potent as I expected. But I know everyone handles each drug differently, but I would have preferred a stronger brew! That said once things were going I did notice myself doses off to sleep.
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: Cav27 on August 07, 2019, 09:29:04 pm
I remember that for my clearing i must have had 70-80 shots in all in 1 day! I was emotionally drained... AND THOSE SHOTS HURT LIKE HELL too-

How many shots did you get at a time? And how many times per day? Was it Dr Zukowski himself injecting you? Sorry for my questions but the more one knows about it before going in, the better it can be emotionally...
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: Renee.D on August 13, 2019, 04:54:42 pm


I remember that for my clearing i must have had 70-80 shots in all in 1 day! I was emotionally drained... AND THOSE SHOTS HURT LIKE HELL too-

How many shots did you get at a time? And how many times per day? Was it Dr Zukowski himself injecting you? Sorry for my questions but the more one knows about it before going in, the better it can be emotionally...

They are definitely painful! I thought it felt like an extremely hard pinch on my bones! I didn't get anywhere near 70 or 80 shots. I couldn't imagine that many!
I believe I got maybe 30 to 40. That was spaced out over the 8 hours time. They only numbed the area they were working on and a bit around it.

Dr. Zukowski and 2 nurses are the only ones who can give the injections. He gave me all of them but 1 round. He was gone for a kunch meeting and one of the nurses came in and numbed me back up. I thought they both did a very good job with it. Having him place my IV and give me the shots made me feel very comfortable.

I completely agree that knowing as much ahead of time is vital for emotional reprieve of anxiety! I will answer any and all questions you may have!

Lacy
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: KatieP on August 26, 2019, 08:49:53 am

 I will answer any and all questions you may have!

Lacy

Hello Lacy,
I was wondering how things are going now a month+ post treatment? And, do you have your appointment for going back?  ;D

I am there this week. A bit nervous, but at this point, ready to try anything.

I am in the middle of letting the facial hair grow out. It's hard to leave the house. It has been perhaps 40 years since I have left the house without shaving. I have to fly to Chicago, and I am dreading the TSA and airplane people seeing me. I have been thinking of trying Boy mode travel, but all my ID is Girl mode, and the name is Kate.

And, I am desperate...

 ;D

Katie
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: Cav27 on August 29, 2019, 01:10:07 pm
Im guessing that youre on the electrolysis chair now- how did day 1 go?
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: KatieP on September 01, 2019, 11:58:17 am
Im guessing that youre on the electrolysis chair now- how did day 1 go?

So, I am back home now after both days. I have LOTS to say, and a few pictures to show. Some are exceptionally embarrassing to me, but I have been inspired by Lacy's transparency, and maybe any of this will help others thinking about Precision Hair Removal.

Short background: I had been to E2000 (now E3000) in about 2001, and had 16 hours of work done that damaged my skin and turned my chin into hamburger for at least a month. Since 2001, I have tried the hour here, hour there thing, but because of my work schedule could never get anything regular going for long. So, all told I have had perhaps 30 hours of electrolysis done on my face in my life. This is the picture I sent to Precision Hair as the before picture.

(http://i.imgur.com/odRPu2q.jpg) (https://imgur.com/odRPu2q)

I was told to plan for two days, and I signed up for last Thursday and Friday. I was told to show up at 9:00 AM on Thursday and that a half hour of prep each day was built into the schedule. Being pathologically early to everything, I showed up at 8:15. I walked through the red doors and there were chairs and nothing else. No people, no nothing. So, I sort of stood around for a bit and maybe 10 minutes later, Irena sticks her head out of the back room and says, "Here for electrolysis? Have a seat, someone will be with you soon." Soon turned out to be 9:05, when Irena came back out and brought me to that same back room. She had me sit on the table and she slathered the numbing cream all over my face.

(http://i.imgur.com/00XyQaK.jpg) (https://imgur.com/00XyQaK)

Irena said the doctor would be there about 9:30, do the IV and drugs, do the lidocaine in the face, and we would get started. 9:30 came, but no Dr. Z. 10:00 came and no Dr. Z. About 10:20 Dr. Z does come in. He is pleasant enough, although I still don't like being called Honey by men younger than me, which is just about all of them... While putting in the IV, he gave me the sales pitch about 60 - 80% of his practices is TG and... The Dr adds the versed (a benzodiazepine sedative), which works pretty quickly. A couple minutes later, the Dr comes in and injects the upper part of my face about 10 times with lidocaine. He does this in what looks like a willy-nilly cowboy fashion. One handed, and sloppy, it seems to me. Lidocaine is spraying all over the place, and I bleed like a stuck pig. But it doesn't hurt a lot. HEE-HEE breathing gets me through it.
Dan and Digmar (spelling?) start working on me. Talk about focus. In my life, I do not think I have ever seen such focus in one person, and here were two people, really going at it. they start at the top of my side burns and work down. They never stop. Never. The only time they stop is if I ask to stop. They never eat, they never pee, they talk only to ask me to move my head this way or that. It was incredible.
About 11:30, the Dr says he is leaving for an hour, and did anyone need more shots. Nope, we are all good, as the lidocaine should work for 4 to 6 hours. However, by about 2:30, I can feel everything. But no Dr. Z. Of course they keep working, because nothing stops these incredible people. 3:00 comes and goes without seeing Dr. Z. About 3:30, he comes into the office, and Digmar and Dan immediately stop and wait for him to inject me.
But did I mention that the lidocaine had worn off more than an hour ago? Hmmm. There is no Versed for anything but the first round of the day. So, Dr. Z goes to inject my face, in about the same 10 places, but this time I felt every little bit. If you would like to know what it felt like do this: Take a 2.5 inch 20 gauge needle and stick it into your face, all the way, under the skin about 10 times all around your cheeks, jaw, and chin. I was trying not to scream, but I was crying like a baby. I have not birthed a baby, so maybe I don't know severe pain, but those 3 minutes were the most painful of my entire life. Dr. Z kept saying, "You're doing great, honey." Like hell I was doing great...
Dan spent the next 5 minutes very gently wiping the tears and blood off my face.
Then, Digmar and Dan got back to work. They had me positioned with my head lower than my feet, which put a strange pressure on my back. After 3 or 4 hours, my back hurt a lot. I had to take breaks every hour or so to stretch it out, and even then, it hurt enough to make me cry. OK. You may be getting the idea that I am a big baby. Until Thursday, I did not think I was a big baby. (I have had 9 knee surgeries with no post-surgery pain killers after the first one, and every doctor I have ever been to has remarked about my high pain tolerance.) before the Dr left, they had him give me one more round, and he commented on how quickly I metabolize drugs. lucky me.
I thought because of the late start that Digmar and Dan would end at 5 or 6, and I would just be shorted hours. Little did I know their perseverance. At 6:00 I asked them how much longer. I was constantly crying because of my back. Dan replied, "How about another hour?" OK. Let's do it. At 7:00, we were done. I walked back to the hotel (which I was later told I should not have done. Don't exercise after electrolysis!) And, I looked like this:

(http://i.imgur.com/pb1aKM1.jpg) (https://imgur.com/pb1aKM1)

I asked about what time to show up the next day, Friday. They said 12:15. 12:15???? How will we ever get done if we start so late???  Irina says, We will try really, really hard to get the rest done in that one day. Oh boy. No one told me previously that Friday was a late start day. Crud. If I had known, I would have scheduled a different day. Crud. Oh well, that will give time to do the Lymphatic Recovery thing in the morning at least.

I did all the things they told me about Neosporin and Eucerin, and sleeping elevated, and the next morning it looked like this:

(http://i.imgur.com/N2mnbG2.jpg) (https://imgur.com/N2mnbG2)

Not super bad swelling. Reina came in, not at 8:00, but more like 8:35. Late, but Reina was great. She was VERY transparent about her own story, very knowledgeable about lymphatics, and very efficient. the Lymphatic Recovery felt very good, and maybe even it helped.
12:00, and I was back in the office. By 12:10, I was in the nearer room, with the flat table. I worried about my back with that table based on Lacy's comments. By 12:15, I was gooped up, waiting the for Dr again, who supposedly would be there at 12:30. Nope. 1:05 he shows up. He still calls me Honey, but at least this time he doesn't give me the sales pitch. He does the Versed, and the injections, which like day 1 I can feel but they don't hurt that much. He doses me pretty good I think, because of the day before.
The second day, I had Dan on the left, and Irina on the right, because although Dan is a right side person, so is Irina, and Irina wins. (I had no idea there were left side and right side electrologists. Apparently they CAN do either side, but always have a strong preference. Who knew???) They start working, and it is the same intensity as the day before. Incredible. About 3:30, the Dr calls out that he is leaving, and did anyone need anything. Irina asks, if he is leaving for the day, and Dr Z responds, "That's what leaving means..." Even though it may be a bit early, she asks him to come re-do me. He does, and because everything is still numb, I barely feel it. And then Dan and Irina get after it. By about 3:30 my back was hurting, but there was no way I was going to say anything and have them stop.

And, about 6:30, they were actually done with the lower half. even being so late on a Friday, the last 15 minutes were each one looking over the other's work to see if another set of eyes would find something else to zap. when I left, my face looked like this:

(http://i.imgur.com/zcSpJuR.jpg) (https://imgur.com/zcSpJuR)

And the full face version:

(http://i.imgur.com/T91e14D.jpg) (https://imgur.com/T91e14D)

The next morning, my upper face seemed a lot better, although both upper and lower face were still oozing quite a bit. By the time I got home yesterday afternoon, it didn't look all that bad besides the crusty oozing crud all over my chin and neck. In fact my spouse and I visited friends last night and neither of them commented on my face. Sort of, it looked a lot like it did when I was 30 pounds heavier. This morning, it is a bit more swollen, but at least I can open my mouth almost all the way. It is still oozing quite a bit.

But, I am confident that the swelling will be gone in less than a week, and that I should be able to go out and be seen by the 10th of September, when I am supposed to be back in front of customers.

So, my summary:
1: Irina and her whole crew are incredible in every way. They are not only exceptional at their job, they are dedicated and intense at a level that is nearly super-human. I cannot say good enough things about them. Considering that I have paid other electrologists $100/hour, their $130/hour is an incredible value.
2. Dr. Z sucks. Totally sucks. At least for this part. He may be the best plastic surgeon in the world. But I would not go to him to wash my car, much less slice open my face. I mentioned to Dan that Dr. Z did not seem very precise. Dan said, He is with his surgeries. Maybe. But I would never give him the chance. That said, if you go to Precision Hair Removal, you have no choice. None.

So, in fact, I will schedule my next appointment for round two. I will do my best to keep Dr. Z shooting me up before he leaves for long periods of time. In my mind, Dr. Z is the price I pay to get Irina, Dan, and Digmar.

Sorry for the super long post. I just thought I would do the brain dump, in case anyone wanted to know.

Katie

PS. I thought I would add one final picture. This is a close up on my neck. There are two things to note: 1: The oozing scabbing part, which was significant on my chin and throat presumably because of the hair density there and all the heat it takes to nuke all of them. And, 2: there is bruising below the hair, right about where the adams apple would be. You can't see it well, but it is pretty well bruised. They end up having to push in pretty hard to stretch the skin and on my throat, that caused lots of bruising that I can still feel. And actually, the only painful thing today, Sunday, is that bruising. It looks like someone tried to strangle me. Which, come to think of it is sort of what it felt like when they were working down there...

(http://i.imgur.com/RbKrNNl.jpg) (https://imgur.com/RbKrNNl)

(Edited to try to correct image links...
And a second edit for the PS...)

Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: Cav27 on September 01, 2019, 04:53:35 pm
Oh my god, Katie. That is VERY intense...!

Im glad you found the courage to go ahead with this and also book your next session.

So since we last texted, i did a 1 hour trial session with a local electrologist who is excellent with over 30 years of experience and is super professional. I hired my own doctor to give the lidocaine shots (with epinephrine) so the 1 hr trial with the electrologist worked fine. I dont why many other people do not pursue this option- look up "concierge doctors" in your area and reach out to each with your detailed story. I am now booked for an entire clearing over 2 days during the end of September. No more travel to either Texas or IL for now- im glad i did the 1st clearing in Texas though. Without it, i wouldnt have known what to look for in either the lidocaine shots or the electrologist.

Anyway, if this works for you- go with it. I would email the doctor directly and tell him your experience. Your pain is most important in this and you should not have to go through the stabbing pain. I felt that pain in Texas too and i also kind of cried. Never again!

Good luck with your recovery though- i was thinking of you on the 30th because i remembered that you were going to go through this with Precision.
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: KatieP on September 01, 2019, 05:16:13 pm
Oh my god, Katie. That is VERY intense...!

Im glad you found the courage to go ahead with this and also book your next session.

So since we last texted, i did a 1 hour trial session with a local electrologist who is excellent with over 30 years of experience and is super professional. I hired my own doctor to give the lidocaine shots (with epinephrine) so the 1 hr trial with the electrologist worked fine. I dont why many other people do not pursue this option- look up "concierge doctors" in your area and reach out to each with your detailed story. I am now booked for an entire clearing over 2 days during the end of September. No more travel to either Texas or IL for now- im glad i did the 1st clearing in Texas though. Without it, i wouldnt have known what to look for in either the lidocaine shots or the electrologist.



Good luck with your recovery though- i was thinking of you on the 30th because i remembered that you were going to go through this with Precision.

Thanks, Cav!

I very much look forward to your report of the personal version of this...!

Katie
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: Cav27 on September 01, 2019, 05:23:52 pm
Ok- I will keep you posted here. I am in Boston, MA. Not sure where you live but im in touch with some trans women in Boston who might also use my research for their electrolysis. I emailed over 30 electrologists in the MA area and narrowed down on 1 eventually and the trial worked great.

The biggest problem with beard electrolysis is that it takes SO long and the electrologists need an MD to make the process more tolerable. In Texas, they dont have a Dr and my injections didnt work too well- in Chicago, you had an MD who injected you the really fast so you felt the stabbing pain. So much for the MD. We really need a sensitive doctor who truly cares to make this procedure easier- without which, i suspect everyone will have to endure the stabbing injections.

Anyway, more later this month once i have updates. Im just doing my clearing at my own schedule and convenience - with the doctor accompanying me to the electrologists office for the shots. IF for some reason this doc doesnt work out, there are several others. For the right amount of money, several other doctors (PCP's) will be interested in this.
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: Renee.D on September 01, 2019, 07:33:08 pm
 Katie,
I am so glad that you got through your appointment! It takes a real trooper to handle so many hours of electrolysis.

Your description of Irena and her staff is so accurate! They are machines. Next level workers for sure.

Sorry to hear that Dr. Z was rough with your face and made you cry. Those shots are the worst! It is unfortunate that his nurses weren't available to come give you shots when he wasn't there. With him having his own practice and schedule it can be inconvenient not to have someone to numb you up when needed.

From your pictures, it looks like your swelling wasn't terrible the next morning. I can't believe you walked back to your hotel after all that work! You must have been one hurting girl!

The back pain was one of the worst parts for me. It is one of those things that drives me crazy! Next time I go there I will be bringing some back support.

It has been nearly 2 months since my session. I feel like the only hair that has grown back as much as it did before is my mustache. It never has been thick, but it seems it is pretty resilient. I think the lady who did the left side of my neck burned me a bit. That redness has just left within the past 2 weeks. The only other hair that grows back regular like and dark is the patch they weren't able to get. So that isn't unexpected.

It doesn't look like you have any burns. I'm happy for you!

How was your traveling adventures? How did you end up handling everything?

Lacy


So, I am back home now after both days. I have LOTS to say, and a few pictures to show. Some are exceptionally embarrassing to me, but I have been inspired by Lacy's transparency, and maybe any of this will help others thinking about Precision Hair Removal.

Short background: I had been to E2000 (now E3000) in about 2001, and had 16 hours of work done that damaged my skin and turned my chin into hamburger for at least a month. Since 2001, I have tried the hour here, hour there thing, but because of my work schedule could never get anything regular going for long. So, all told I have had perhaps 30 hours of electrolysis done on my face in my life. This is the picture I sent to Precision Hair as the before picture.

(http://i.imgur.com/odRPu2q.jpg) (https://imgur.com/odRPu2q)

I was told to plan for two days, and I signed up for last Thursday and Friday. I was told to show up at 9:00 AM on Thursday and that a half hour of prep each day was built into the schedule. Being pathologically early to everything, I showed up at 8:15. I walked through the red doors and there were chairs and nothing else. No people, no nothing. So, I sort of stood around for a bit and maybe 10 minutes later, Irena sticks her head out of the back room and says, "Here for electrolysis? Have a seat, someone will be with you soon." Soon turned out to be 9:05, when Irena came back out and brought me to that same back room. She had me sit on the table and she slathered the numbing cream all over my face.

(http://i.imgur.com/00XyQaK.jpg) (https://imgur.com/00XyQaK)

Irena said the doctor would be there about 9:30, do the IV and drugs, do the lidocaine in the face, and we would get started. 9:30 came, but no Dr. Z. 10:00 came and no Dr. Z. About 10:20 Dr. Z does come in. He is pleasant enough, although I still don't like being called Honey by men younger than me, which is just about all of them... While putting in the IV, he gave me the sales pitch about 60 - 80% of his practices is TG and... The Dr adds the versed (a benzodiazepine sedative), which works pretty quickly. A couple minutes later, the Dr comes in and injects the upper part of my face about 10 times with lidocaine. He does this in what looks like a willy-nilly cowboy fashion. One handed, and sloppy, it seems to me. Lidocaine is spraying all over the place, and I bleed like a stuck pig. But it doesn't hurt a lot. HEE-HEE breathing gets me through it.
Dan and Digmar (spelling?) start working on me. Talk about focus. In my life, I do not think I have ever seen such focus in one person, and here were two people, really going at it. they start at the top of my side burns and work down. They never stop. Never. The only time they stop is if I ask to stop. They never eat, they never pee, they talk only to ask me to move my head this way or that. It was incredible.
About 11:30, the Dr says he is leaving for an hour, and did anyone need more shots. Nope, we are all good, as the lidocaine should work for 4 to 6 hours. However, by about 2:30, I can feel everything. But no Dr. Z. Of course they keep working, because nothing stops these incredible people. 3:00 comes and goes without seeing Dr. Z. About 3:30, he comes into the office, and Digmar and Dan immediately stop and wait for him to inject me.
But did I mention that the lidocaine had worn off more than an hour ago? Hmmm. There is no Versed for anything but the first round of the day. So, Dr. Z goes to inject my face, in about the same 10 places, but this time I felt every little bit. If you would like to know what it felt like do this: Take a 2.5 inch 20 gauge needle and stick it into your face, all the way, under the skin about 10 times all around your cheeks, jaw, and chin. I was trying not to scream, but I was crying like a baby. I have not birthed a baby, so maybe I don't know severe pain, but those 3 minutes were the most painful of my entire life. Dr. Z kept saying, "You're doing great, honey." Like hell I was doing great...
Dan spent the next 5 minutes very gently wiping the tears and blood off my face.
Then, Digmar and Dan got back to work. They had me positioned with my head lower than my feet, which put a strange pressure on my back. After 3 or 4 hours, my back hurt a lot. I had to take breaks every hour or so to stretch it out, and even then, it hurt enough to make me cry. OK. You may be getting the idea that I am a big baby. Until Thursday, I did not think I was a big baby. (I have had 9 knee surgeries with no post-surgery pain killers after the first one, and every doctor I have ever been to has remarked about my high pain tolerance.) before the Dr left, they had him give me one more round, and he commented on how quickly I metabolize drugs. lucky me.
I thought because of the late start that Digmar and Dan would end at 5 or 6, and I would just be shorted hours. Little did I know their perseverance. At 6:00 I asked them how much longer. I was constantly crying because of my back. Dan replied, "How about another hour?" OK. Let's do it. At 7:00, we were done. I walked back to the hotel (which I was later told I should not have done. Don't exercise after electrolysis!) And, I looked like this:

(http://i.imgur.com/pb1aKM1.jpg) (https://imgur.com/pb1aKM1)

I asked about what time to show up the next day, Friday. They said 12:15. 12:15???? How will we ever get done if we start so late???  Irina says, We will try really, really hard to get the rest done in that one day. Oh boy. No one told me previously that Friday was a late start day. Crud. If I had known, I would have scheduled a different day. Crud. Oh well, that will give time to do the Lymphatic Recovery thing in the morning at least.

I did all the things they told me about Neosporin and Eucerin, and sleeping elevated, and the next morning it looked like this:

(http://i.imgur.com/N2mnbG2.jpg) (https://imgur.com/N2mnbG2)

Not super bad swelling. Reina came in, not at 8:00, but more like 8:35. Late, but Reina was great. She was VERY transparent about her own story, very knowledgeable about lymphatics, and very efficient. the Lymphatic Recovery felt very good, and maybe even it helped.
12:00, and I was back in the office. By 12:10, I was in the nearer room, with the flat table. I worried about my back with that table based on Lacy's comments. By 12:15, I was gooped up, waiting the for Dr again, who supposedly would be there at 12:30. Nope. 1:05 he shows up. He still calls me Honey, but at least this time he doesn't give me the sales pitch. He does the Versed, and the injections, which like day 1 I can feel but they don't hurt that much. He doses me pretty good I think, because of the day before.
The second day, I had Dan on the left, and Irina on the right, because although Dan is a right side person, so is Irina, and Irina wins. (I had no idea there were left side and right side electrologists. Apparently they CAN do either side, but always have a strong preference. Who knew???) They start working, and it is the same intensity as the day before. Incredible. About 3:30, the Dr calls out that he is leaving, and did anyone need anything. Irina asks, if he is leaving for the day, and Dr Z responds, "That's what leaving means..." Even though it may be a bit early, she asks him to come re-do me. He does, and because everything is still numb, I barely feel it. And then Dan and Irina get after it. By about 3:30 my back was hurting, but there was no way I was going to say anything and have them stop.

And, about 6:30, they were actually done with the lower half. even being so late on a Friday, the last 15 minutes were each one looking over the other's work to see if another set of eyes would find something else to zap. when I left, my face looked like this:

(http://i.imgur.com/zcSpJuR.jpg) (https://imgur.com/zcSpJuR)

And the full face version:

(http://i.imgur.com/T91e14D.jpg) (https://imgur.com/T91e14D)

The next morning, my upper face seemed a lot better, although both upper and lower face were still oozing quite a bit. By the time I got home yesterday afternoon, it didn't look all that bad besides the crusty oozing crud all over my chin and neck. In fact my spouse and I visited friends last night and neither of them commented on my face. Sort of, it looked a lot like it did when I was 30 pounds heavier. This morning, it is a bit more swollen, but at least I can open my mouth almost all the way. It is still oozing quite a bit.

But, I am confident that the swelling will be gone in less than a week, and that I should be able to go out and be seen by the 10th of September, when I am supposed to be back in front of customers.

So, my summary:
1: Irina and her whole crew are incredible in every way. They are not only exceptional at their job, they are dedicated and intense at a level that is nearly super-human. I cannot say good enough things about them. Considering that I have paid other electrologists $100/hour, their $130/hour is an incredible value.
2. Dr. Z sucks. Totally sucks. At least for this part. He may be the best plastic surgeon in the world. But I would not go to him to wash my car, much less slice open my face. I mentioned to Dan that Dr. Z did not seem very precise. Dan said, He is with his surgeries. Maybe. But I would never give him the chance. That said, if you go to Precision Hair Removal, you have no choice. None.

So, in fact, I will schedule my next appointment for round two. I will do my best to keep Dr. Z shooting me up before he leaves for long periods of time. In my mind, Dr. Z is the price I pay to get Irina, Dan, and Digmar.

Sorry for the super long post. I just thought I would do the brain dump, in case anyone wanted to know.

Katie

PS. I thought I would add one final picture. This is a close up on my neck. There are two things to note: 1: The oozing scabbing part, which was significant on my chin and throat presumably because of the hair density there and all the heat it takes to nuke all of them. And, 2: there is bruising below the hair, right about where the adams apple would be. You can't see it well, but it is pretty well bruised. They end up having to push in pretty hard to stretch the skin and on my throat, that caused lots of bruising that I can still feel. And actually, the only painful thing today, Sunday, is that bruising. It looks like someone tried to strangle me. Which, come to think of it is sort of what it felt like when they were working down there...

(http://i.imgur.com/RbKrNNl.jpg) (https://imgur.com/RbKrNNl)

(Edited to try to correct image links...
And a second edit for the PS...)
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: AlexisRene on September 02, 2019, 12:37:48 pm
Just a huge amount of thanks to all of those who provided details about their experience.

 I live in down state IL & it is impossible to find anyone local. Even for an hour. Either of the 2 ladies doing it in my hometown area desire small projects apparently. Grrrr.

 So quick question. How long of a span is needed prior to having FFS between electrolysis at this level? Guessing 3 months would be ideal?

 Also, how long after the treatment with the lidocaine & twilight before you can drive? Would rather make it a crazy long day vs 2 nights in a hotel. Just to clarify, will have completed 15 rounds of laser with a local facility by weeks end. Had a few hours of electrolysis years ago. That is where I learned the first facility really preferred small spot treatments.

 Any info appreciated & (again) much appreciate all of the info provided in this thread.
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: KatieP on September 02, 2019, 12:42:44 pm
Katie,
I am so glad that you got through your appointment! It takes a real trooper to handle so many hours of electrolysis.

Your description of Irena and her staff is so accurate! They are machines. Next level workers for sure.

Sorry to hear that Dr. Z was rough with your face and made you cry. Those shots are the worst! It is unfortunate that his nurses weren't available to come give you shots when he wasn't there. With him having his own practice and schedule it can be inconvenient not to have someone to numb you up when needed.

From your pictures, it looks like your swelling wasn't terrible the next morning. I can't believe you walked back to your hotel after all that work! You must have been one hurting girl!

The back pain was one of the worst parts for me. It is one of those things that drives me crazy! Next time I go there I will be bringing some back support.

It has been nearly 2 months since my session. I feel like the only hair that has grown back as much as it did before is my mustache. It never has been thick, but it seems it is pretty resilient. I think the lady who did the left side of my neck burned me a bit. That redness has just left within the past 2 weeks. The only other hair that grows back regular like and dark is the patch they weren't able to get. So that isn't unexpected.

It doesn't look like you have any burns. I'm happy for you!

How was your traveling adventures? How did you end up handling everything?

Lacy

LACY!

I have thought of you VERY often in the last week. You have been my inspiration!  ;D

The travel was easy, but embarrassing. I travelled there with a TON of facial hair. I went in sort of boy mode, although all of my ID shows girl mode and is in my name. But that did not cause any issues. Maybe a bit of confusion for TSA and Flight Attendants, but none of them made any comment. Travelling home, I had no makeup, and a fat oozy face, but was in girl mode, and it seemed a bit easier. At least in my mind!

Walking to the hotel was almost required. I really needed to move, after laying in that chair for more than 10 straight hours. I didn't find out until after I did it that I should not have done it. (Don't do anything that creates heat in your face!) OK. But it felt good.

The swelling was very manageable. Not super bad, and the cheeks were pretty good even on Sunday. The throat not so much...

So, now 4 days later on the cheeks and 3 on the throat, there are a few things I am a bit worried about.

The throat area has all sorts of the oozy lymph scabs. They melt away each time I wash my face, and then dry up to a chunky mess all under my chin and jaw, and my upper throat. I certainly could not put on makeup over these scabs.

The second thing I am a bit concerned about is that I still have no feeling whatsoever in my throat area. The good news is that electrolysis won't hurt and I won't need lidocaine there, but I am not sure this is a desired result. There is still a fair bit of swelling in the throat area, and perhaps when that goes away, sensation will return. But the swelling has gone down considerably, without any change in sensation in the throat area. If those nerves are damaged for good, I will certainly know the cause.  >:(

So, for you, after 8 weeks only the moustache area has come back???? THAT seems a pretty wonderful result actually. Irina had suggested scheduling a return visit in about 10 weeks for me. It sounds like in your case that 10 weeks would not be enough time to get a bunch for them to work on. What are your thoughts on that? Have you scheduled a return visit?

Katie
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: KatieP on September 02, 2019, 12:45:33 pm


 Also, how long after the treatment with the lidocaine & twilight before you can drive? Would rather make it a crazy long day vs 2 nights in a hotel. Just to clarify, will have completed 15 rounds of laser with a local facility by weeks end. Had a few hours of electrolysis years ago. That is where I learned the first facility really preferred small spot treatments.

 Any info appreciated & (again) much appreciate all of the info provided in this thread.

So they SAY that 24 hours is required before driving. But since the narcotic is only given once, in the morning, and is completely worn off in a very short time, I cannot imagine it would be a problem driving home after the very long session. But that is me, and I am not the doctor...

Katie
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: Dena on September 02, 2019, 01:28:26 pm
Twilight and general normally have a do not drive until the next day restriction. Even if you seem awake, both can leave you unsteady in your feet and your reactions may be off. Better the cost of an additional night in the hotel than an accident.
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: Renee.D on September 02, 2019, 04:30:58 pm


Just a huge amount of thanks to all of those who provided details about their experience.

 I live in down state IL & it is impossible to find anyone local. Even for an hour. Either of the 2 ladies doing it in my hometown area desire small projects apparently. Grrrr.

 So quick question. How long of a span is needed prior to having FFS between electrolysis at this level? Guessing 3 months would be ideal?

 Also, how long after the treatment with the lidocaine & twilight before you can drive? Would rather make it a crazy long day vs 2 nights in a hotel.

Alexis,
Here is an excerpt from the patient information they send you.

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PLEASE NOTE: 

Please arrange for transport to and from our office. Operating a vehicle or heavy machinery is prohibited for 24 hours following treatment. If you drive to your appointment, you will be denied. 

If you are taking spironolactone, please discontinue use 4 days prior to your large volume electrolysis session. After treatment, you may resume.

Do not take ibuprofen (Advil, etc.), aspirin, or acetaminophen (Tylenol, etc.) for 4 days prior to treatment.

Hydration is important! - please drink one gallon of water per day for a minimum 5 days prior to treatment.

Please do not eat 6 hours prior to the appointment.

A Pre-Electrolysis Facial is recommended to help prepare your skin and hair for treatment and better recovery. Please contact us to schedule.

If you're having electrolysis in the genital area, please ensure a hygienic environment for your technician.

Final payment is due on the day of treatment before treatment begins. We accept payment via major credit cards (3.5% convenience fee applies), cashier's check/USPS money orders (no fee), or cash. Please make cashier's checks and money orders payable to Precision Hair Removal and Skin Care.
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: AlexisRene on September 04, 2019, 12:27:41 am
Thank you so much everyone for providing all of the info above.

 I may have to look for a place in St Louis down the road. The issue is that I do not have anyone who can go with to Chicago. Further, would also have to board my 2 dogs somewhere if overnight stay was required. Bleh. Things get complicated quickly it seems.

 Wish everyone the best.
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: Cav27 on September 04, 2019, 07:52:04 am
Youre welcome. In my experience, as you may read my previous posts and replies, i think there are some really experienced and well trained electrologists who could do a clearing. Most electrologists will not be comfortable with doing longer than a 2 hour weekly session- I emailed tons and most wanted to do a 2 hour session weekly, some upto 4 hours.  Its important to not push them to do something theyre not comfortable with but it still means you can look around till you find someone who can do a long session over 2 or 3 days. Some refused to give details on email, so i conveniently X'd then off my list - if im sending them 1 page of detailed information about my prior treatment, pictures from prior treatments and pictures of my beard without any treatment, i expect them to know how long my future clearings will take, how my hair has responded to treatment and whether they can handle my case-in my experience, several sent me a one liner email saying theyd like to meet in person first and wanted me to come in. I replied to those saying No Thank You- if you have absolutely no opinion after seeing all these pictures and reading my treatment history, and cant communicate either by phone or by email prior to me coming in, i am not wasting my time with you. Several will be of the opinion that you should do laser first. Thats your decision based on your comfort level. For me, laser was not an option. For others, it is.

Also check how long they've been licensed and whether their state requires a license. Do a trial. And most importantly, find a PCP who can give lidocaine shots that last for a couple hrs (i got lidocaine 1% WITH epinephrine) and maybe come with you to the electrologist and stay with you for a couple hours. Look up "concierge doctors" in your area and reach out. Even places that everyone talks about in Dallas and Chicago have relatively non experienced electrologists on their team so youre better off finding someone locally who is experienced and comfortable working long sessions.

For me - i had told the electrologist that unless i find the doctor for the shots, im not doing it. I had told the doctor that unless they can physically come with me to the electrologists office, it wont work. Sometimes when you are clear with what you want, people try to accommodate you. Pay the doctor $500/day for his or her work and im sure youll find many. Its money you pay to get rid of your pain. Its worth it.
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: KatieP on September 04, 2019, 09:50:32 am
Pay the doctor $500/day for his or her work and im sure youll find many. Its money you pay to get rid of your pain. Its worth it.

That would be totally worth it, but I doubt you would get a doctor to be with you for $500/day, unless that "day" was only a few hours. Even then, I would guess it would be tough.

By way of comparison, that place in Chicago charges $600/day for the use of their doctor, and it is at his office (essentially) and he is in the room for much less than 10 minutes during the entire day...

Katie
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: Cav27 on September 04, 2019, 11:54:30 am
True, Katie. Def not for 8 hours but  the doctor would probably do that for coming 2x a day over 2 days to give the shots, assuming their office isnt too far from the electrologists office. This was my quote ! Also doctors arent  used to injecting the face for electrolysis so its a bit of a learning curve for them based on my experience. My trial with the doc was not good because because the injection didnt last much but im waiting to see how it goes in a cpl weeks. Fingers crossed :)
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: KatieP on September 11, 2019, 10:48:09 am
Hello,
it has been 2 weeks now, and I thought I would give the 2 week update...

My skin is fully healed, which is good. The numbness in my throat area is still complete. It's like the pharyngeal nerve is just dead. And, this is totally no Bueno. I suppose if feeling does not come back, at least no need for Dr. Z under there. OTOH, shaving under my chin is just plain scary since I can't feel any of it.

Which, brings me to the hair part. There were lots of hairs missed. Probably 50 or 60 that I have found so far, which is a VERY small percentage. I know they were missed because they stand out on my mostly smooth face over the past couple weeks. As Irina told me, there have been little bits of hair being pushed out of their follicles each day. Lots in the first days. I have been cleaning them off with tweezers. If the hair doesn't slide right out, I leave it, which is how I have found/counted the number of missed hairs. So, after the crusty scabs fell off my throat, I have shaved the whole area each day to get the missed hairs, which still grow at the same rate, and to smooth things out. It has been SO nice to have my face go 24 hours and still feel really smooth. If only this part lasted longer... Something to look forward to I suppose.

So the 14 day summary: Skin good. Throat numbness very bad. Hair pretty good. And, I still think I am going back to Precision Hair Removal...

Katie
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: AllieSF on September 11, 2019, 02:25:08 pm
Katie,

What does that clinic, doctors or nurses tell you about that numbness.  I would be totally worried about that and would want to know when, if ever, it will go away.  They all should have an answer about that since they are the experts in this.  Good luck with all that.  I started electrology in late 2011 and am still going, down to one visit every 8 weeks or so.  I have some pesky stiff white hairs on my left jawline that refuse to die or be killed.  I occasionally get a new dark hair in different areas including right under the chin with most near the left side.

Allie
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: KatieP on September 11, 2019, 02:43:21 pm
Katie,

What does that clinic, doctors or nurses tell you about that numbness.  I would be totally worried about that and would want to know when, if ever, it will go away.  They all should have an answer about that since they are the experts in this.  Good luck with all that.  I started electrology in late 2011 and am still going, down to one visit every 8 weeks or so.  I have some pesky stiff white hairs on my left jawline that refuse to die or be killed.  I occasionally get a new dark hair in different areas including right under the chin with most near the left side.

Allie

They said, It happens some times, and how long it lasts is variable...

Not the best answer. And, what options do I have? It is what it is at this point...

Good luck on your hair removal!

Katie
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: Renee.D on September 11, 2019, 03:00:55 pm
They said, It happens some times, and how long it lasts is variable...

Not the best answer. And, what options do I have? It is what it is at this point...

Good luck on your hair removal!

Katie
Katie I am sorry I didn't respond to your earlier post. I promise I will!

In regards to this issue with the numbness, I would say that it sounds like our experiences differ a bit.

The complete numbness to the point of being scary to shave, I never experienced. Within a week any complete numbness was gone.

That said I had a sensation of very tight skin, which was probably due to residual numbness for about a month on my jawline and chin and a full 2 months on my neck. I still had sensation and feeling, but it wasn't what I consider normal until the 8 week mark.

Lacy
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: Cav27 on September 11, 2019, 10:34:46 pm
Im shocked to read about your long lasting numbing on the face, Katie & Lacy. I never experienced any of this long lasting numbing after my first session at E3k in Texas- in fact my numbing shots only lasted like 2-2.5 hours - they (the electrologists)  used lidocaine with epinephrine 1%. I have no idea what kind of anesthetic Dr Z was injecting- maybe you should email and ask Precision just for your own record. Also please talk to your PCP about this before you go for your next session because you dont want to end up with any long term facial complications.

Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: KatieP on September 12, 2019, 12:29:42 am
Katie I am sorry I didn't respond to your earlier post. I promise I will!

In regards to this issue with the numbness, I would say that it sounds like our experiences differ a bit.

The complete numbness to the point of being scary to shave, I never experienced. Within a week any complete numbness was gone.

That said I had a sensation of very tight skin, which was probably due to residual numbness for about a month on my jawline and chin and a full 2 months on my neck. I still had sensation and feeling, but it wasn't what I consider normal until the 8 week mark.

Lacy

No need for apologies in ANY way. And, especially reading your experience with some numbness. It does give me hope that all I need is patience...  Which is something I have precious little of.. ;D

Katie
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: KatieP on September 12, 2019, 12:34:32 am
Im shocked to read about your long lasting numbing on the face, Katie & Lacy. I never experienced any of this long lasting numbing after my first session at E3k in Texas- in fact my numbing shots only lasted like 2-2.5 hours - they (the electrologists)  used lidocaine with epinephrine 1%. I have no idea what kind of anesthetic Dr Z was injecting- maybe you should email and ask Precision just for your own record. Also please talk to your PCP about this before you go for your next session because you dont want to end up with any long term facial complications.

I believe that Dr. Z was using Lidocaine, although I don't know if there was epi in it or not. I think by default, it comes with epi.

I hadn't experienced the long term numbing before either. But if you stick needles into random places in the face, you are bound to hit a nerve and damage something...

The current complication with the numbness is that I now have a waddle. It does hide my adam's apple, but it also gives me quite the double chin if I am not careful.  ;D

Katie
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: Cav27 on September 12, 2019, 01:16:50 pm
Epinephrine makes the lidocaine last a couple hours. I tried the shot without epi and i was not numb beyond a few minutes. Apparently theres a huge shortage of lidocaine with epi 1% in the us- something to do with the hurricane in Puerto Rico years ago- i think my PCP was saying that its made there. Well in canada lidocaine with epi 1% is otc so i got it from there for my doctor.
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: KatieP on September 20, 2019, 04:36:30 pm
Hello again,
It has been 3 weeks, and I thought I would do the next update.
All scabbing is all gone. All of the little dead half-hairs have been pushed out. Lots of hairs on my cheeks have come back at this point. They currently grow slowly and they are fairly soft. They shave very easily, and I now have to shave each morning to be completely smooth. That said, I can go all day and not really feel anything sneaking out. Prior to PHR, I was shaving in the morning, and late afternoon every day. At this point, letting them grow out 3 days would definitely not be enough for them to be zapped. The hairs under my chin and my throat have come back somewhat more densely than my cheeks. Given that all electrolysis prior to my trip to PHR had been on my chin and cheeks, maybe this is less surprising. 24 hours after shaving, I can feel a bit of stubble under my chin, but not on my cheeks. Also interesting is that of the hair coming back in, there are LOTS more that are black hair. Prior to PHR, I could not see a single black hair. Now there are lots of them. Very strange.

And, the numbness under my chin and all down my throat is still there. The area of numbness might be reducing a bit. Maybe. Perhaps. But mostly, I cannot feel anything on the skin under there...

And, I sent in my deposit to go back again. I have been soooooo happy these past two weeks with the smooth texture of my skin. It is very hard not to just touch it.

Katie
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: Cav27 on September 23, 2019, 04:20:22 pm
Great! Thanks for the update.

I just got home from 1/2 my second facial clearing- got 4 hours of work done today. Ill get my other half clearing day after tomorrow. Luckily, after my 1st clearing at Electrology3k in Texas, i found a local electrologist in Boston and a local doctor to administer the shots. He did a fabulous job- the pain of the shots was probably 10 times less than what i endured in Texas- the doctor is a PCP who is board certified in surgery i think- my husband who is also a retired dr. was standing while my doctor injected me and said that he did a fabulous job. So thank god i saved myself flying to Dr Zukowski's in Chicago or to Texas. I am happy as the whole process was SOOOOOOOOO much better. Both the doctor and the electrologist made me feel well looked after.
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: KatieP on September 23, 2019, 08:30:12 pm
This sounds REALLY great, Cav!

When I get to a place where 4 hours will be half of the job, I will definitely search for your model.

Congratulations! And, thanks!!

Katie
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: Cav27 on September 23, 2019, 10:14:42 pm
Thank you! This is my second clearing only. I would suggest that you start looking for local doctors and electrologists soon as possible as the whole process might take months.... Still several more clearings to go for me but not sure how many clearings i will do before i stop... each time i get a couple hours in, it feels like a long term investment even though im not transitioning... its a slow process and a learning lesson in patience lol
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: KatieP on January 03, 2020, 04:52:10 pm
I realize that I have not updated this thread. I did sort of mention all this in another thread, but for completeness...

I had my second session at Precision Hair Removal the 19th and 20th of December. So, I am now exactly two weeks post work. The summary of my second round is: Way easier this time than last time. Although, the second round of shots in the upper face still hurt like all get out.

The total numbing of the neck area did eventually go away. Which gave me hope that even if it happened the next times, it would get better eventually.

Fortunately, the hair was much less dense. It didn't seem like it when I was growing it out for the week prior. Because I could not stay home, I wore a scarf that covered everything except my eyes and nose. It was SOOOOO embarrassing! The ID check TSA guy made me remove it enough for him to see the front of my face. I was close to crying doing that. And when I went through the metal detector, that TSA person made me take it all the way off. Then I did cry.  :(

The first round took almost 32 hours. 1 person on each side for 8+ hours on day one, and 7 hours on day two. This second round took a total of 22 hours, and the second day, working my neck, was only a bit over 4 hours in duration. All by itself, the time reduction made it seem much easier. And, this time, apparently because of the pictures of oozing skin I sent them, they reduced the power. Although this has made for a very fast recovery, time will tell if the same percentage reduction in hair occurred. That said, the first time I shaved since the 20th was yesterday. I don't know if I needed to, but we were going out, and I didn't want stray hairs I hadn't seen to show. Today, 36 hours later, I do not need to shave at all. Maybe, just maybe, the effectiveness was good this time.

Will I go back? Absolutely. At this point, I think I know how the process works, and what to expect. As well, I trust Dan and Irena so much, that if they wanted me to stand on my head while they worked, I would dive for the floor. The first round of shots each day is not a problem. With the twilight narcotic, you feel it, but don't much care. The second round of shots hurt. But what I found is I have to tell Irena that I can feel the zaps the moment I feel any zap. That gets the doctor back ASAP, and the pain is much less. As well, I realized that there are people in the office besides Dr. Z who can do the shots after the first round. And, THEY are MUCH less painful. There was another "Mark" and a "Carmen" who did post-first-round shots, and even though the original shot was mostly worn off, I did not scream at all. Barely cried in fact.

So, maybe two more times to PHR? Three? Whatever it is, I think I will keep going until Irena says I don't have enough hair for them to bother with me flying in.

For me, because I did not do all the hair removal until after going full time, I really have no option. There is no what I can go a week without shaving in order to give the electrologist something to hold onto, and do that week in and week out. For me, without large volume hair removal, I would have to go back to playing a male. THAT would make me cry WAY more than any shots Dr. Z might do to me.

I HTH anyone thinking of large volume electrolysis.

Katie
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: Cav27 on January 08, 2020, 06:41:51 pm
Hi there!

Good to hear that you are happy with Precision. My last session (clearing no.3) took 10 hours and was a breeze. The electrologist flew up to Boston with the machine, i bought a massage chair, booked a dr to come home twice per day for 1 hour at a time by paying $100/hour. I needed to get the doctor for 4 hours total. His shots were really good and i think he has this figured out perfectly. No twilight no nothing. My pain tolerance is low but i have made this happen at my home without much hassle.

Swelling was gone within 5 days. No bruises from shots or the electrolysis.

Good luck.
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: KatieP on March 25, 2020, 03:29:10 pm
THAT is wonderful, Cav!! great job!

Since I haven't updated here, and sort of hijacked the thread to document my own process, I thought I would give a quick update on my third full-face clearing in Wilmette, IL at Precision Hair Removal on the 9th of March.

It was one day. Irena had estimated it would take about 16 hours, based on the normal 5 hour reduction on each visit, and the last visit was 22 hours. We started at Noon on Monday, and I was worried about finishing. (Later, Irena told me they had anticipated working until 8:00 PM. To me, this shows their dedication to us...) As it turned out, it was 6 hours in the chair, and 12 hours of work. The lidocaine was wearing off with about an hour to go, and it was a very hard decision to ask Dr. Z to come back to give me more, since I knew that without numbness, it was going to hurt like all get out. But I finally gave in. And... his injections started in the one tiny strip that was still numb! HA! All that fear of pain was NOT warranted. I should have had him come in much earlier.  ;D

Anyway, what about the results? Here is a picture of me the next day, sitting in the Airport lounge (with nothing but Eucerin on my face...):

(https://i.imgur.com/OIhaIYd.jpg)

And, the next day, Wednesday, I was in front of customers with make-up on. My face was a bit puffy, but not that bad at all. It was the easiest recovery of all.

I am about 90 - 100 hours total work, 66 of which have been with PHR. And, as noted before, the feeling of seeing light at the end of a really long tunnel is beyond description. I LOVE it. And, I love Irena and Dan. Full up, I have had a great experience there, and I think that overall, the pain I have experienced is much lower than had I done this 2 hours at a time over 5 years...

Katie
[Edited to get the picture right...  ;D ]
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: Cav27 on June 18, 2020, 10:17:49 pm
Hi KatieP that is great progress. I remember you us chatting about your first trip to IL for the marathon clearing.
For me my last clearing was in December 2019 and my next one will be Aug 30. Covid slowed everything down but im looking forward to the next full clearing.

How many more full clearings will you get done in IL?
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: KatieP on June 18, 2020, 11:54:05 pm
It's a great question, Cav! And I don't know the answer.

I DO know, I am back there on the 2nd of July. I rather suspect that this will be my last time there. They don't like to work on out-of-towners for less than 4 hours with two techs. I am expecting/hoping that they will think we have reached that point by the end of my time on the 2nd.

I will be sure to update this thread after that...

Katie
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: Cav27 on June 24, 2020, 05:28:08 pm
Also might not make sense to pay for travel expenses etc. just for few hours. Better to find someone local after your next clearing. Im glad you went ahead and did the marathon sessions. If there is one thing that i have learned in this process it is to stick with technicians who have experience doing marathon sessions. These electrologists have the stamina and understanding of the beard.
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: Helen_Grandeis on June 28, 2020, 04:31:59 pm
Precision Hair removal with Irina Cardos and crew are the best.  They cleared my hole face.


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Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: KatieP on June 30, 2020, 07:19:32 pm
I fly to Chicago tomorrow for my next session with Irena and Dan. In preparation, I have had to let my facial hair grow. (Thank goodness for COVID precautions! I can go out and about and no one can see my facial hair!!!)

And, what I have decided is that Irena is better than Dan at killing off hair. That, or the hair on the right side of my face was somehow easier to kill. What has not been generally apparently to me is that there is much more hair on the left side of my face than the right. It was only when I let it grow for 8 days did I notice.

For those new to large volume electrolysis, apparently some people are right side, and some are left side. And, if they have a choice, they stick to their side. So, I have had Dan on the left, and Irena on the right for exactly equal amounts of time.

All those comments about how good the tech is making a huge difference? Well, even among the really great techs, there are great and greater...

 ;D

More to come later in the week after this next session...

Katie
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: fen11 on July 09, 2020, 05:30:30 am
Hey Katie,

How did it go? I have been following your journey from afar and seems like so far you have made great progress and would recommend PHR. This is a project I hope to start in the near future.
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: Northern Star Girl on July 09, 2020, 12:31:55 pm
Hey Katie,

How did it go? I have been following your journey from afar and seems like so far you have made great progress and would recommend PHR. This is a project I hope to start in the near future.
@fen11
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Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: Northern Star Girl on July 09, 2020, 12:33:16 pm
@fen11
Dear Fen11:

OH, and another thing....
If you feel so inclined please feel free to stop by the Introductions Forum (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/board,8.0.html) to tell more members about yourself!
 
With more exposure to more members here you will be able to get more responses to your questions and concerns.

Wishing your well as you continue to be involved in the forums.

NOTE: Now, after all of this Greeting and Welcoming stuff, I will give you and other readers the thread back so that the conversation can continue

Again, Welcome to Susan's Place.
Danielle
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: KatieP on July 10, 2020, 12:51:09 am
Fen!

Thank you for reminding me!

So, early on the morning of the 2nd of July -- really early: 5:00 AM -- I showed up at Precision Hair Removal. It started like the previous sessions, changing into the medical gown, putting the numbing cream all over my face, and then waiting  for Dr. Z to show up. Once again, even with the twilight meds, it hurt to get numbed. And, he injected me with lots of lidocaine. Lots of my face was still numb two days later. Oddly, there were 4 or 5 little circles on my face where there was no numbing at all. It was strange. And those areas hurt a lot. However, because the hair was quite thin, the pain did not last long.

In this session, one of the techs could not come in, so they were operating a body short. That meant that Irena spent the first 2 hours with me, and then left Dan alone with me for the last couple hours. This turned out to be no issue at all because the total tech time was 6 hours. Since last time was 11 tech hours, it was exactly the 5 hours reduction expected between sessions. It went by quickly, and I was out of there by 10:30-ish. I took this picture as I was walking out of the building:

(https://i.imgur.com/NS0taC8.jpg)

I was more swollen than this each morning for a couple days. And, the skin on the left underside of the jaw was a bit more beat up than before. So, it has taken most of this past week to get to "normal." And once again, it is wonderful waking up to completely smooth skin. I know in a couple weeks I will start to notice hairs and it will bug me. But right now... Right now, it is pretty wonderful...

In the normal scenario, when you get to less than 4 hours total needed, Irena doesn't want to sign you up for large-volume because the overhead is high, and it is not worth it. So, I have been quite worried about what I will do at that point. The problem is that I have to let the hair grow for at least a week before an electrologist can zap it effectively. So, there is no real way I can go to the hour a week options. I need to be able to schedule it all: Letting it grow a long time, and then getting it all cleared in one go. This has not really been a possibility for PHR in the past.

However, both Irena and Dan separately, mentioned they are working to get a nurse to work at the Chicago office in order to provide numbing for the 4 hours and under client. I am REALLY hoping they have something like that in 3 or 4 months...  ;D

As always, if you have any questions, please let me know!

Katie
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: ToriJo on July 10, 2020, 01:25:17 pm
Your face after a session looks very similar to how mine looked after E3000 when the electrolysis was more intensive (I don't swell nearly as much now because the work is a lot less intensive than it was then).
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: KatieP on July 10, 2020, 05:58:41 pm
Yep. This time around, my face felt more swollen than last time. I am hoping it means they upped the amps and killed hair harder. But more likely, Dr. Z was just not careful with the lidocaine.

It is back up a bit, but here is what I looked like the day after the previous session:

(https://i.imgur.com/OIhaIYd.jpg)

In the pictures, the last one looks more swollen, but this time felt more, and lasted longer.

I have heard good things about E3000 more recently. As documented elsewhere, I went to E2000 back when, and had a terrible experience. I am sure in all these places, the exact people at that time are what makes or breaks the experience...

Katie
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: fen11 on July 11, 2020, 03:26:26 pm
Katie,

Thanks for posting. I have been following this thread to hear everyone's story, including yours. I really appreciate how you have kept the story going after each session. Though you are swollen, your skin looks so smooth! I am so so envious. How many days did it take for the swelling to become somewhat normal (ie, not necessarily perfect, but normal enough)? I am also curious how it went the first time with the swelling too - if that also looked somewhat normal after 4 or 5 days.

I have been trying laser, but seems to have little effect. Womp. Like you, I cannot even fathom growing out my hair constantly for weekly appointments. I am not really out to anyone yet.. but the thought of everyone commenting on it just makes me stressed, even in thought. I really want to save for PHR or E3000 etc. It feels like forever away.
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: KatieP on July 11, 2020, 11:43:12 pm
These pictures are probably earlier in this thread but I am too lazy to go back and look...  ;D

So, this is the picture after day 1 of the first session. You can see 3 interesting things, I think:

(https://i.imgur.com/aOdZ603.jpg)

1. They clear A LOT of face per day
2. I had A LOT of hair. You can see how shaggy the bottom half is
3. If you look closely at the point of the chin, you can see that the skin is oozing a bit

The recovery after the first time was a bit rough. There was a fair amount of oozing that turned into little crusties on my neck and chin. After the first time, I could not have gone to work to be in front of customers in the first week. even two weeks was right on edge. Note that to be in front of customers, I require a fair amount of makeup. If I hadn't had some work flexibility, it would have been a tough situation. Had I still be in guy-mode, I could have made excuses like a bad sunburn, and nobody would have questioned it.

Here is the picture after the second day:

(https://i.imgur.com/bGhfpBS.jpg)

I was pretty swollen. I iced it, and kept lotion on it, and it went down pretty quickly. The swelling was not the issue for getting back in front of people. It was the crusting on my chin and neck.

I was not a fan of Dr. Z. It took a while for my face to recover. And on some thread here I wondered aloud whether I would go back. But I figured I didn't have many choices.

And I was VERY happy I went back. After the first time, things were much easier. I think they dialed things back a bit. After the second time, I did go back to work after a week. After the third session, I was back to work, in front of customers 2 days after treatment. I was mildly swollen, but being sort of chubby-faced, no one said a thing.

As everyone here will tell you, get the facial hair done ASAP. Even if transition is not in the current plan, get the hair done ASAP. Note that even with large volume electrolysis, it still takes a year. PHR wants 10 weeks between sessions, and it takes 4 to 6 sessions to get to mostly done. That said, even though it takes a year to get mostly done, after the second session everything about my facial hair was easy. It was easy to shave. It remained smooth all day. And was almost manageable. After the third session, it was pretty fabulous. So, even though you aren't mostly done, even partly done is WAY better than barely started.

Jump in. Get started. The longer you wait, the longer it will take...   ;D

Katie
Title: Re: Any Experience with Kelly Inc in Oak Park, IL?
Post by: fen11 on July 12, 2020, 05:07:41 am
Katie,
Thanks for sharing your pictures!! It really helps. I am shocked that after the first day of your first visit that they were able to zap both cheeks, above the mouth, and the front of the chin. Talk about fast! I also appreciate you sharing the pictures since they were expired links in your old posts. I really want to use a service like PHR, because then you only need to grow it out once every ten weeks. That is so much better than weekly.

My laser sessions are scheduled to be done in October. From there, I am hoping to truly explore PHR. I know I have the week after Christmas off, as well as a week in March and June. These would be ideal times for me to use them, hoping that a week or so is enough to look somewhat reasonable. I just need to figure out how to get the money, lol. Hope you are enjoying that smooth face today!!!